DeLay indicted on two new charges (TWO not one, new charges)

[Pirate Smile]

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - A Texas grand jury on Monday indicted U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay on two new charges including money laundering, following a conspiracy indictment last week which forced him to step aside as the second-ranking Republican in the U.S. House of Representatives.

The new indictment, for money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering, was issued shortly after DeLay's lawyers sought to dismiss the original charge on a legal technicality.
DeLay denounced the latest action as an "abomination of justice."

The charges accuse DeLay of conspiring with two colleagues to launder $190,000 in corporate contributions to his Texans for a Republican Majority through the Republican National Committee for distribution to candidates for the Texas Legislature in 2002.

Texas law forbids the use of corporate money in political campaigns.

DeLay could face up to life in prison if convicted of money laundering and up to 20 years for conspiracy to commit money laundering.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-10-04T001036Z_01_YUE381522_RTRUKOC_0_US-DELAY.xml

[Carla in Ca]

1. It's two, two, two hits in one!

It doubles my pleasure, doubles my fun!:applause:

[sasquatch]

2. Don't drop the soap Bugman

:D
I hear they get some kick ass parathion in the joint too so maybe this won't be so bad for you.
:D

[PurityOfEssence]

28. Doin' time at the Roach Motel

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[Judi Lynn]

55. He'll be taking his work home with him.

[jazzjunkysue]

68. to Purity, Susquach, all 4 of you:

:rofl:

Bless you all.

[dennis00]

45. life plus 20years?

I think they should maybe reopen one cell at Acaltraz so my kids and grandkids and great grand kids and their kids and grandkids can visit him. Live long and prosper, DeLay.

[rodeodance]

3. up to 'life in prison' seems extreme to me.

Texas law forbids the use of corporate money in political campaigns.

DeLay could face up to life in prison if convicted of money laundering and up to 20 years for conspiracy to commit money laundering.

DeLay, who represents a Houston area district, had been U.S. House of Representatives Majority Leader from 2002 until last week's indictment.

Because of House Republican rules, he quit the leadership post, where he had played a key role in passing President George W. Bush's agenda including tax cuts and a prescription drug benefit for older Americans. He was able to keep his congressional seat.

[rodeodance]

6. just heard that the law for conspiracy in TX only went into effect in 2003

Because of this the first conspiracy charge will most likely be tossed out- as the charge susposedly happened in 2002.


DeLay's defense team had filed a motion earlier on Monday to dismiss the first indictment on grounds the conspiracy charge did not apply to Texas elections until September 2003, said DeLay lawyer Dick Deguerin.

The motion was filed with state District Judge Bob Perkins, who did not rule because he is away on vacation, Deguerin said.

DeLay accused Travis County, Texas, District Attorney Ronnie Earle of "prosecutorial abuse" and denied all charges.

"He is trying to pull the legal equivalent of a 'do-over' since he knows very well that the charges he brought against me last week are totally manufactured and illegitimate. This is an abomination of justice," DeLay said in a statement issued by his office.

[skids]

12. No.

The law that explicitly applies conspiracy to election matters went into effect in 2003. The law that applies conspiracy to all felonies was on the books at the time. The original indictment may still stand. These new charges may not, in fact, stem from a need to bolster the case at all. They may simply be additional charges.

[Kagemusha]

13. There was a law for conspiracy in TX in 2002, as well.

A law professor has been quoted saying the language of the 2002 law ("any felony") would include this issue but, that is the technicality being fought over. Assuming that the law against corporate donations precedes 2003, which seems obvious, and that breaking it was a felony under state law, which is what seems to be the case, then conspiracy to break that law is itself a felony under the 2002 law, even though it didn't say, "any felony, including violations of the election law".

It seems Earle is not powerless to deal with the potential lack of clarity.

[wakeme2008]

21. IMHO Ronnie Earle would have NOT made

an error like this. I want more information.

[stillcool]

35. This one sounds right...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4963500&mesg_id=4963500

[Stand and Fight]

7. In fairness, I have to agree...

And given the fact that this is DeLay, I hate saying that.

[jobycom]

49. I can live with it

He's as much a traitor as Benedict Arnold. Life in prison for him wouldn't break my heart. Don't buy his whining--he knew what he was doing, and what the penalties were for doing it. That's why he's fighting so hard now. He thought he was God, and he got slapped for it. I just hope he stays slapped.

[mcg]

58. "I AM the federal government." –Tom DeLay

10 Mind-Numbingly Stupid Quotes by Tom DeLay

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/stupidquotes/a/tomdelayquotes.htm

Yes, a traitor like him deserves life in prison.

[Toucano]

86. Not at all.

Corruption among public officials is perhaps one of the most serious offenses conceivable.

When a public official breaks the rules for their own benefit, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people's lives are adversly affected.

When DeLay used his power and authority to play a key role in passing Bush's agenda "including tax cuts", people died.

Life in prison is perfectly appropriate.

[Peace Patriot]

4. Looks like we have a VERY smart prosecutor in charge of this one. Wow!

That man is fast on his feet! DeLay tries to wiggle out on a technicality. Slam-bang he's back, with a DOUBLE-charge. Not to mention a couple of smart grand juries. Go, Texas! Throw the tyrants off!

[AnneD]

88. One interesting tidbit I learned yesterday

In a civil case, the accused's lawyer can get access to all the evidence and get copies of it...in a criminal case they can't. Their lawyers might be able to see it and write notes but things can be sprung on them.
From my observation of Dick DeGuerin in the Houston legal scene, he is on the short list of good criminal lawyers. In the mold of Racehorse Haynes. You might remember him as defending the Branch Davidians against the gov. He takes a case for fame, money, or principles and he loves a good fight. I think he took this case for fame and money. He is good, very good.
Ronnie Earle was planning to retire but postponed his retirement to take this case. I think he views this case as a culmination of his career. Ronnie Earle is motivated by democracy and the rule of law. He has had a very successful career. However, one of his losses was the case against Kay Bailey Hutchinson. He got his hands burned badly on that one and had kept a low profile for a while. That brings me to this case. Ronnie has played hardball with the big boys and knows the score. DeLay's underlings are charged with crimes that get you prison time. My guess is that he has gotten one of them to flip on DeLay. Look for a juicy trial. Also look for them to seek a change of venue out of Austin. The town is definantly antiDeLay and liberal to boot (Molly Ivins, and Sherly Crow call it home to name a few).
Many in Texas have been stewing over the re-redistricting. It was illegal, patently political, and the court, pack with GOP loyalist, upheld the redistricting. Our DEM legislature left to prevent a quorum as a last ditch effort to get justice-and you all remember the MSM reaction to that. Tons of money was pumped into these new districts to unseat good long standing DEM's. The rural and poor have lost their voices. The rigging here allowed the GOP to pack the legislature here and add GOP seats for a majority in DC. We just got off of one of the worst legislative sessions I can remember in a long time. No offense to my northern friends but it had a distinct carpetbagger feel to it.
Many here are rooting for Ronnie so pass the popcorn, it's gonna be a good show.

[Straight Shooter]

104. Criminal case the defense lawyer is entitled to see exculpatory evidence.

Brady evidence, I believe it's called, but I could be wrong about the name there. Anyway, if there is mitigating evidence or evidence that would lead a reasonable person to assume innocence on the part of DeLay *snort* then that evidence must be turned over to DeLay's defense counsel.

I don't think there will be any surprises. Earle will subpoena every damn document that DeLay ever wrote, touched, or even thought of. I sure would like to see Eliot Spitzer as associate counsel on this :)

[mindwalker_i]

5. The other half of the laundering?

So, am I the only person who this has occurred to? DeLay sent the RNC $190,000, which the RNC promptly sent back, thus turning soft money into hard money. If this is true (tryin' to keep the innocent until proven stuff going here), then yeah, DeLay is guilty of breaking Texas campaign finance law and of laundering money.

But what about the RNC? They should also be charged with laundering money. Does this only hit one person or does it involve the organization more as a whole? Is the RNC now a criminal organization?

-mwalker

[kestrel91316]

37. Time to whip out RICO, maybe?

[Im with Rosey]

52. Great question!

I've been so ficused on the bugman I hadn't thought of the reverse.

[drm604]

54. mwalker, I think it would depend

on whether or not the RNC knew where he got the money from. I suspect that they did, or that at least some of them did. But you have to be able to prove it in court.

[mindwalker_i]

70. that would depend...

Good point. It's probably not provable, but as Jon Steward once said, all you have to do is insinuate :D

I bet a lot of people would find it at least believable that the RNC knew what was going on and went with it anyway. We;'ve all followed the many instances of corruption from all over the Republican spectrum.

-mwalker

[LiberalFighter]

73. Repeat the point over and over so even water sticks on glass

[FlaGranny]

89. Of course, they knew where he

got the money. How could they not know? Why in the world would DeLay give the RNC the money and they turn right around and give it back? There was no reason for DeLay to give it to them in the frist place - unless it needed laundering.

[MADem]

92. Oh, those careful phone logs!!! nt

[MGKrebs]

63. I wonder if that would be Texas jurisdiction?

The RNC is allowed to donate that money. The crime would be in knowing that they were breaking Texas law. I don't know if Texas has jurisdiction on that or not. A federal case? The DOJ? Any lawyers looking in?

[electropop]

87. They don't have to know they're breaking Texas law.

Ignorance is no excuse. It's their job to know these things. The only ignorance that could excuse them is if DeLay lied to them about the source of the finds.

[Nothing Without Hope]

77. Yes - I agree! That wouldn't be Earle's territory, so who is going to step

in to examine the other half of these dirty deals? Barely laundered campaign slush funds have been sloshing around the GOP for years now with no oversight or enforcement from *their* DOJ at all.

We need to push to get the other half of this dirty circuit exposed and prosecuted.

[Aviation Pro]

8. It would be real interesting if....

...during the arraignment it was determined that Bugman is a flight risk and he has to spend his time in a Texas hellhole with Butteff Bubba (6'8", 275lbs).

Gives a whole new meaning to the word "Bitch."

[0007]

16. If DeLay has to do time it will probably be where the Watergate

criminals were locked up. In Fort Grant Arizona a country club to say the least.

[Judi Lynn]

61. Well, we can dream for awhile, anyhoo! n/t

[stillcool]

9. Could somebody explain...

the significance of this being the first action from a new grand jury?

<The new charge was the first action from a new Travis County grand jury, which started its term Monday. Another grand jury, which ended its term Sept. 28, handed up 41 indictments in the three-year investigation.> Per MSNBC

[Indy65]

19. New Grand Jury

I served on a federal grand jury for sixteen months our time was finished for us. A new grand jury is picked and they serve for sixteen months and the evidence keeps going on until all the eva dance is presented. If this grand jury doesn't hear it all it goes to another grand jury. In fact the case we heard was going on for five years. I was picked for a special grand jury in Philadelphia involving the Mafia. We had all kinds of witnesses from undercover agents to mafia to lawyers. I wouldn't be surprised if more indictments come down.

[stillcool]

24. Cool...thank you....

i'm amazed at how little i know. Would you, or perhaps somebody else know what the process is from indictment to trial? Like, how long? And, once arraigned can more charges be added and prosecuted at the same time?

[AuntiBush]

32. Same here, stillcool47

Du is a fantastic learning experience, and a great place to rant, too!

[texpatriot2004]

10. Two really, I heard about one on TV tonight, money laundering

what was it two counts of that or was there something else?

[Patsy Stone]

30. One for conspiracy to launder

One for the laundering.

:thumbsup:

[Az]

11. How can you not smile

This is just sweet.

[Stand and Fight]

14. The arrogant little prick deserves everything he gets!

I hope there are even more charges forthcoming!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

15. Hope they use RICO

He'll lose everything he ever owned.

[Spinzonner]

20. RICO is Federal

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

22. If there's justice, they'll find a way.

He needs a serious bit of hurt. I don't care how they do it.

[kestrel91316]

39. Well if they used the wires or mails or anything interstate, that MAKES

it federal, right? And with the money going into a nationwide organization like the RNC, you would think that would make it federal, too.

OOOOOHHHHHHH sweet. Prosecute the entire leadership of the Republican Party under RICO.

[tkmorris]

50. Well, the money laundering did cross state lines

If there is a case here, the Feds could certainly file additional charges I should think. Of course, whether they will or not is another matter.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

17. STOP!

Hammer Time:



Sorry for the hotlink. I've gotta get some hosting...

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

26. OT: I love your user name

I may be fifty, but that's still one of my all-time favorite books. In fact, it's been a while since I've read it- I may have to dig it out and crack it open.

[mourningdove92]

62. Its on my annual required reading list.

Some books are just too good to leave on the shelf. I enjoy it every time I read it. I may be 52 years old, but there is still a young girl in here.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

67. I must confess...

... that my nom-de-forum is not taken from "A Wrinkle in Time" by Madeleine L'Engle. In fact, I've never read any of her works and only learned of her from fans like yourself. It was shamelessly stolen from the lyrics of a great pop song titled "Headache" by The Pixies, viz:

This wrinkle in time, I can’t give it no credit
I thought about my space and I really got me down
(got me down)
Got me so down, I got me a headache
My heart is crammed in my cranium and it still knows how to pound

{It loses a lot without the music}

Then I realized that "wrinkle in time" is what we all do.

If my assumption about your username is correct: "Be seeing you".

[TroglodyteScholar]

95. Not by the Pixies!!

It's by Frank Black! I love that guy......

I was counting the rings
And I fell me into sleep
I peeked to see if you were way back when

I was counting the trees
Until a day when there was one
I'd hoped beneath, asleep is where that you had been

Yea, the music adds something, but he still writes some of the best lyrics in rock & roll today.....

[wicket]

27. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

:rofl:

[Gregorian]

29. Can I dance!

OK, I feel like dancin'

If I drank, I'd feel like gettin' hammered.


Sometimes someone's misfortune brings a smile. This is one of those times.

Yeee haw!

[MelissaB]

41. OMG! I"m ROFLMAO.

I love your name, too. :hi:

[Judi Lynn]

59. Love that Hammer Time. So cool. Who DOESN'T feel like dancing, by now?n/t

[bunny planet]

72. Can we make Delay wear the Hammer pants in orange instead of the

jumpsuit?

[satya]

18. SCOTUS: conspiracy to launder money is a crime, even if no action taken

Unanimous decision, 1/12/05

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/009284.html

In a unanimous decision in the consolidated cases of Whitfield v. U.S. (docket 03-1293) and Hall v. U.S. (03-1294), the Court ruled that a money laundering conspiracy count does not require proof of an overt act to further the plot. The ruling, written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, relied primarily upon the Court's decision in U.S. v. Shabani in 1994. The Shabani decision found there was no need to show an overt act to prove a conspiracy to commit drug crimes. That law and the money laundering conspiracy statute involve nearly identical language, the Court noted.

The law at issue can be traced back to the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986. It criminalizes the intentional transfer of money from unlawful activity, and transactions involving property that was obtained during a crime if the value is more than $10,000. As originally enacted, neither of those sections included a conspiracy provision, so the government relied on a general conspiracy statute. But, in 1992, Congress wrote into the Money Laundering Control Act a provision making it a crime to conspire to commit any offense under that Act. That was the provision at issue in Tuesday's ruling.

In the Court's prior rulings in Shabani, as well as in earlier rulings (Singer v. U.S. in 1945 and Nash v. U.S. in 1913), the Court had ruled that, where Congress omitted from a conspiracy law any language expressly requiring an overt act, the Court would not read such a requirement into the statute. That concept controlled the ruling Tuesday, O'Connor wrote.

[Patsy Stone]

34. That's fabulous!

Thanks for posting that.

[kikiek]

23. Maybe that is why Russert asked him if there was a list of donors

who had contributed. A breakdown of how much to send and to which campaign to send it to also. He didn't answer really.

[rocktivity]

25. Step on this, Roach Boy!

And cue the Vonage theme!

:woohoo:
rocknation

[Beetwasher]

31. Delay BROKE HIS WORD AND WENT BACK ON HIS DEAL TO PLEA

By trying to have the charges dismissed, he went back on his plea bargain that was speculated about when the first indictment came down. Earle struck like a viper with these charges that were all ready to go. Gave all the evidence to a new GJ w/ the final report and BAM. They only needed a day to read through it and bring the more serious charges. All because Delay is piece of vermin who can't stick to his deal.

That's my theory anyway.

[John Q. Citizen]

43. That's what it looks like. When Delay recinded his waiver, the

Duke of Earle squished him like a bug.

From a two year max to life in prison max. Whoa, Delay thought he could just lie his way out....

[Nothing Without Hope]

78. I suspect DeLay can't get his head around the concept that he ISN'T

all-powerful, that he CAN'T intimidate or destroy anyone he pleases to get whatever he wants. Mr. Earle is running a bully education class here, but the BugMan is flunking big time.

[bluestateguy]

33. I'm still waiting for DeLay's apology for his role in the Clinton impeach

Until that happens I will root for him to be imprisoned for life in our Texas prison system.

[buzzsaw_23]

36. Shoulda' stayed on Bug Patrol n/t

[mcg]

38. MSNBC: Texas grand jury indicts DeLay again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9583433/

Former House majority leader charged with money laundering, conspiracy

AUSTIN, Texas - A Texas grand jury on Monday indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on charges of conspiring to launder money and money laundering after the former majority leader attacked an indictment last week by a separate grand jury on technical grounds.

[IndianaGreen]

40. I think we should have a fundraiser to buy DeLay a big jar of Vaseline

He will need it in the slammer when they put him in Bubba Henry's cell.

[mcg]

48. Bubba, here's 'De Lay

[Andromeda]

96. Bwahahahahahaha.....

:rofl:

[mcg]

42. WP: Texas Grand Jury Indicts DeLay on New Charges

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

DeLay Is Indicted on Two New Charges

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/03/AR2005100300190.html

[mcg]

44. Yahoo News: Grand Jury Re-Indicts DeLay on New Charge

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051004/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment

AUSTIN, Texas - A Texas grand jury on Monday re-indicted Rep.
Tom DeLay on charges of conspiring to launder money and money laundering after the former majority leader attacked last week's indictment on technical grounds.

[dennis00]

51. ltreason

Treason is punishable by death. If Delay is found guilty of treason, for attempting to overthrow the government of the United States, and if he is sentenced to death and is placed on Texas' death row, Dubya will FINALLY have someone on death row he can pardon. :sarcasm:

[mcg]

46. Yahoo News: DeLay indicted on two new charges

(Reuters)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051004/pl_nm/delay_dc_6

"DeLay could face up to life in prison if convicted of money laundering and up to 20 years for conspiracy to commit money laundering."

[ClayZ]

47. Three indictment, anybody say four....say MORE

Pile them on. Stack them up! Fill up the room. Pile them up so high he will never see the end of it. Make him have another charge to answer to each month for the rest of his miserable life. And then get those lousy people out of the White House and put them in Jail too!

Whoo Hooo.... GET THEM ALL


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Mr_Spock]

53. DeLay is an abomination.

I hope he get's life. Oh, please! Let him get life in prison.

[dennis00]

56. life in prison plus 20

life in prison? I got one thing to say about that . LIVE LONG AND PROSPER, DELAY, in prison.:sarcasm:

[Mr_Spock]

57. WOOHOOO!! Life + 20 baby!!!

Welcome to DU Dennis00 :hi:

[dennis00]

64. Mr Spock,

Hey Mr Spock. Glad to be here. :headbang:

[carolinalady]

60. How many cards have to fall--

before the House of Bush comes a tumblin' down!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[arwalden]

65. My FAVORITE Sentence In That Whole Article Is...

DeLay could face up to life in prison if convicted of money laundering and up to 20 years for conspiracy to commit money laundering.

[malmapus]

91. Loved that too, it leaves a nice tingling sensation to say it out loud too

hhehehehehehehehe

[Tight_rope]

100. LMBAO....I want to share in your laughter

[RaulGroom]

66. This is an attempt to get Delay to plead out.

I expect the result of the new charges will be Delay pleading to the original conspiracy charge and getting a light sentence, maybe a year suspended.

Unless Delay is stupid enough to actually go to trial with life hanging over him, or if Earle hates Delay that much that he wouldn't offer him a plea. I couldn't much blame him.

[carolinalady]

74. Either way, he should be forced to resign. EOM

:nopity:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

69. Hammered: Tom DeLay, Godlessness, Money laundering,

... and the fall of the Republican Congress.

Tom (The Bugman) DeLay facing Life + 20 years... Wow! That feels good when you say it out loud. :D

[bunny planet]

71. Looks like the Bugman just might be checking into the Roach Motel.

Bugs check in, but they can't check out.

[blue agave]

75. I predict that the next charge against bugman will be

Perjury in the Abramhoff investigation.

[Nothing Without Hope]

79. oooooh, that would be very, very fine and not at all a surprise. n/t

[myrna minx]

85. You just gave me goosebumps. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

76. Well, there goes his wish to be President.....right outta da window

[njdemocrat106]

80. The feel-good topic of the evening

Here's to hoping that DeLay gets life in prison! :toast:

[chiffon]

81. Hey now!

:woohoo:

[Occulus]

82. Money laundering?

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:rofl:

[electropop]

83. DeLay faces money laundering charge

CNN -

Former majority leader calls indictment 'abomination of justice'

Tuesday, October 4, 2005; Posted: 4:25 a.m. EDT (08:25 GMT)

DeLay and two associates are now also charged with conspiring to illegally steer $190,000 in corporate donations to state legislative candidates in 2002 and to disguise its source by sending it through national Republican campaign committees.

In a written statement, the congressman called the indictment another example of "prosecutorial abuse" by District Attorney Ronnie Earle. (See video on DeLay's legal troubles -- 2:16)

"He is trying to pull the legal equivalent of a 'do-over,' since he knows very well that the charges he brought against me last week are totally manufactured and illegitimate," said the Texas Republican. "This is an abomination of justice."

More...

[yellowcanine]

84. He got the "abomination" part right.

[MellowOne]

90. When Democrats were protesting about election fraud

Delay was calling us whiny sore losers and it's all sour grapes. His "abomination of justice" sounds like sour grapes to me.

[efhmc]

93. Losing one right to vote like interest and losing ones rep (Edwards) is

protesting inequality, not whining. This man knows nothing about democracy.

[antiblazer]

94. God is punishing Delay

I must say this again. God is finally punishing Tom Delay for his corrupt and greedy sins. Delay has always been a self-serving manipulator and he lacks any ethical or moral fiber. REAL Christians need to wake up and see that the Republican party has become an evil and arrogant tool for corporate interests.

[Name removed]

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[NIGHT TRIPPER]

98. doubt what you say is true--sounds a little off

This is just tooooo big to be a weak case!!!--Texas Mafia may be dissapointed but who the hell cares!!!

[Tight_rope]

101. I think what you are saying is total bullshit..

Texas Democratic politicians are more sick of DeLay then the all of the DU'ers put together. They loathe him like DUer's

[geckosfeet]

103. snicker snicker,, oh well. Guess we lose again. Shucks. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

105. No offense against your dad; file under category "some people say"

Just sayin' ...

[malaise]

99. Just heard on MSNBC that

the Rethugs don't want him back as ML. One down!

[chknltl]

102. Yes

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