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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:50 PM
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Miers Joins Dallas Church Breakaway Group
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 03:00 PM by IdaBriggs
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is among a group of congregants of a Dallas evangelical church who recently broke away due to differences over church rules and worship styles.

The group of about 200, led by former Valley View Christian Church pastor Ron Key, formed their own church about a month ago and have been meeting on Sundays at a hotel in Dallas.

Miers has worshipped as a Catholic and attended Episcopalian and Presbyterian services, according to Judge Nathan Hecht of the Texas Supreme Court, who has dated Miers. She has been a congregant at Valley View for some 25 years and in 1979 was baptized by full immersion, consistent with the church's beliefs.

The church opposes abortion and Hecht indicated that Miers shares those views, including the belief that life begins at conception. "It was Harriet thinking things through on her own," Hecht said.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051005/ap_on_go_su_co/miers_church_1

ON EDIT: Link being weird...fixed now. :)
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:58 PM
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1. I for one can't believe that someone who believes life begins
at conception can possibly be a fair judge. Scalia is the same. Hard core Catholic belief that abortion is murder and he has never wavered in any of his votes. Faith can't exclude people from the court, but hard core beliefs that can't be separated from decisions should exclude people from the court. And Christians can't complain that this is discrimination. Many people of Catholic and Christian beliefs have broken with the church when they have to make decisions for the welfare of all. But hard cores can't. And they should be excluded. if the majority of people don't believe a person begins at conception, why should Miers be making decisions for all of them?
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:54 PM
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7. Haven't you heard?
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 03:54 PM by KDLarsen
Separation of Church & State is so yesterday :sarcasm:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:26 PM
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13. yeah, and Joe sixpack
admires politicians that tell him and his fellow Murkins how to live his miserable life.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:10 PM
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2. Shrub's hardcore anti-abortionist crony nominee...
...is being revealed, boys and girls and Rowe is soon to fall.

Please Divinity, let the MSM take the blinders off and remove the muzzles so that the public is made aware of this...

PLEASE !!!!!!
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:12 PM
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3. It's stupid article, lacking basic journalism.
The article says the group broke away over rules and styles. But then it doesn't say whether the breakaway group wanted stricter rules and more fundamentalist styles, or the opposite. They have omitted basic information because they either didn't research it or they didn't think about it. If they had researched it and been unable to determine it, then the journalistic thing would be to report the indeterminate result, but instead they failed to report, period.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:32 PM
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4. Valid point...
nt
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:38 PM
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5. They probably left it ambiguous on purpose
The truth would probably hurt the nomination - i.e. I suspect she is pretty far into the extreme of the religious spectrum.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:02 PM
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16. Excellent point - no mention of DETAILED REASONS for the split
What rules and what styles are they talking about? Some of the worst reporting I've seen in awhile. Where are the details?
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:04 PM
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19. Journalism rule number 1 (January 2001 revision)
If it looks bad for Bushco, don't report it. Conclusion: She's part of the nutcase cabal that thought the other nutcases weren't nutty enough, so they left.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:48 PM
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6. She's a uniter
not a divider.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:24 PM
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8. Life DOES begin at conception; it's the DEFINITION of "conception".
But that isn't the POINT! The POINT is: When does SENTIENT life begin?

THAT is the salient question.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:30 PM
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10. As someone pointed out here a few days ago
(I believe he was actual biologist), it's ludicrous to insist that "life begins at conception" because the sperm and the egg that create the human embryo are very much alive on their own, and are part of a chain of life that extends backwards continuously through humanity's existence. And there's little difference between a recently fertilized egg and the single-celled entities one finds in pond water, so if that's the "life" we're talking about, then we commit murder a thousand times a day when we wash out hands and move about the earth.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:27 PM
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14. scientists are so uh..... scientific!
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 05:27 PM by Jim4Wes
nice explanation.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:30 PM
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9. A blastocyst may be life
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 04:30 PM by mmonk
but its quite insane to deliver it civil rights yet (especially while they take rights away from aware and cognizant life). Heck, each cell in one's body is life. At some point, reason has to enter the picture of those making decisions.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:34 PM
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11. Wait a minute.
Miers has worshipped as a Catholic and attended Episcopalian and Presbyterian services

But Our Leader said she would never change! How is this possible?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:36 PM
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12. excellent point!
what are the chances an astute Democrat on the committee brings this up?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:29 PM
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15. This may be important, I've been throwing up posts
here and there, trying to point out that if she was raised a Catholic it is very likely she is more open minded to other peoples religious views than your typical fundie.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:00 PM
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17. I appreciate that sentiment, but it's a bit of a leap.
It could also be that she's a divinity shopper, just looking for the entity that fits her beliefs. This is very different from someone who is open minded about other people's religious views.

She left each of those other faiths for a reason: she didn't think they were expressing the TRUTH as she sees it.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:03 PM
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18. She was also a registered Dem who changed to Repub
But, Shrub claims she won't change.:rofl:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:35 PM
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20. Oh, yeah, can't forget that one.
But other than the church thing, and the politics thing, I'm sure she is UNshakable.

:+
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