Fomer ambassador mashes Bush, GOP (Joseph Wilson)

[sabra]

http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8D4AI5G3.html

Fomer ambassador mashes Bush, GOP


Civil war is virtually inevitable in Iraq whenever the United States withdraws its forces from the country and maybe sooner, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson told Oregon Democrats on Saturday.

Wilson, who gained national attention when the identity of his wife as an undercover CIA operative was leaked to the news media in 2003, was keynote speaker at the state Democratic Party's biennial summit conference.

The former American ambassador to Iraq and several African countries lashed the Bush administration, along with Republicans generally, in an hour-long talk to the partisan gathering.

"This president has no credibility, he has failed us," Wilson said.

He said the "president's men" have "defamed and slandered citizens who have done nothing more than bring truth to power," in a reference to attacks against him after he accused the White House of manipulating intelligence information to justify the Iraq invasion.

[eleny]

1. Piling it on!

[opihimoimoi]

2. The Chimp has lost his clothes.....He is nekkkkid....

He had failed the test....miserabley....Healthy Wealthy and Wise???

Remember those? He don't....

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. Thank the lord for all the thinking people who always knew he

was naked.... and started the fight early on.

[MissMarple]

21. Yup, he's doing a heck of a job.

To borrow a phrase. ;)

[AspenRose]

3. Ambassador Wilson, you are a hero.

So's your wife. :patriot:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

19. Ambassador Wilson is not a hero.

He himself says that. He was just doing his job, and now he's just doing what every citizen of this nation should be doing.

Again, he himself says that.

In this day and age of complacency, he just LOOKS like a hero because we live in a nation of sheep.

[Pluvious]

24. As George Orwell said...

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

-George Orwell

[SlavesandBulldozers]

27. amen to that.

n/t

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

25. Disagree - He's a hero whether he says so or not

Bush pretends to be a wartime president, but he isn't.

Joe Wilson denies being a hero, but he is.

I prefer Wilson's being modest to *'s pretending.

[AnneD]

30. While that is true,

he did risk more than most (his wife's identity and life). ITA, in this age of complacency, speaking out seems heroic. They try to make you out as criminal or crazy when you stand up and speak your mind.

[Stand and Fight]

4. "Fomer" Just what the hell is that?

Does the media no longer have editors?

:rant:

GO JOE WILSON!!

[hang a left]

5. the "president's men"

what is he trying to tell us?

[cassiepriam]

6. What will prolonged Iraqi civil war mean for the region and the world?

[bklyncowgirl]

7. Bad very bad. There are no good options here.

We either stay there hemorraging troops and feeding the hatred against us or pull out and face another Vietnam except that this will be far worse than what happened in Vietnam. The North Vietnamese were interested in governing the entire country--and probably most people in the South were eager to see their corrupt overlords go. The Sunni and the Shia hate each other and have hated each other for centuries. Saddam Hussein held the country together with an iron fist. It's like Yugoslavia. The difference is that Clinton was able to forge an international alliance and once the fighting was over get peacekeepers in place to get these people to live together and rebuild their lives.

Bush insisted on his vanity war, lied to get us into it, and then made a total mess of it at every stage.

Our credibility is shot to hell. Perhaps had Kerry been elected some form of international peacekeeping force could have been put in place to hold the country together until they could get on their feet but with Bush and the neocons in power we will get no help from anyone anywhere.

Our troops are now part of the problem instead of part of the solution. The US must renounce all plans for permanent bases, make it absolutely clear that our intention is to remove all of our troops as soon as possible, work for the establishment of a strong government in Iraq, speed up the training of Iraqi forces and begin a phased pullout if anything is to salvaged at all.

This is a disaster that did not have to happen and Joseph Wilson is a hero for what he has done and what he has said.

[cassiepriam]

8. Bush will put in permanent bases? He went over for oil and he will get it?

[bklyncowgirl]

10. I believe that part of the PNAC plan was to set up permanent bases.

This would enable the US to control the region including the oil fields.

The other part of the plan was that the Syrians and the Iranians would be so jealous of their newly Democratized brothers in Iraq that they'd overthrow thier own dictators and be transformed into shining lights of enlightened Islamic Democracies.

That hasn't happened either.

[cassiepriam]

13. They do not care if things get messy, they will get the oil, hook/crook

[oneold1-4u]

15. OIL is soon to leave the picture

and halliburton and bush will be gone! The people of the US will go five years cutting energy use and stop buying un-needed products. The world market will dump into an early grave but like the proverbial Phoenix, it will come back cleaner and better.
Memory serves, that an intelligent world of all people will understand that the world needs leaders that serve all of mankind for a better society.
If some must die, so be it! The arrogance of "rich is mighty" and only god (muslim, xtian, other) can rule, is already turned obscene!

[cassiepriam]

17. I hope for your ending to the story. But I do not share your optimism.

[Peace Patriot]

23. "Perhaps had Kerry been elected...". He WAS elected. And that is the...

...heart of the problem. Bush was "selected" by two Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--who tabulated the votes using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, a fraudulent (non-transparent, unverifiable) election SYSTEM that was put into place by Bush's "pod people" in Congress, via the $4 billion HAVA electronic voting boondoggle (with the silence and/or collusion of the Dem Party leadership). (--not much they could do about it, once it was in place, that would not expose the bipartisan corruption, especially among state/local election officials, in the electronic voting industry; thus, their silence.) (--and the War Dems preferred that Bush run the war anyway, and not a Democratic president who would have been beholden to the antiwar grass roots, so they zipped their lips about Diebold's/ES&S's secret vote tabulation, and did not object to the INEVITABLE result of rightwing Bushite corporations counting the votes behind their "Wizard of Oz" curtain.)

On top of the mountain of election evidence that Kerry won, look at the issue polls over the last 2 years. The great majority of Americans opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. 58%, Feb. 03, across the board in all polls. That number dipped only once, during the few weeks of the invasion with U.S. troops at max risk, then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it remained throughout the election campaign. (It's over 70% today.) 63% of Americans oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. May '04. In fact, the great majority of Americans disapprove of EVERY major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range. You name it. The Iraq war. Torture. The deficit. Social Security. Women's rights.

I think it's a no-brainer. We have a great progressive majority in this country that has been propagandized into falsely believing that it is the minority; while the minority has been given a Big Trumpet by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, to promulgate its views way out of proportion to its numbers. These very same news corporations, late on election day, FALSIFIED their own exit poll numbers (Kerry won) to "fit" the "official result" of Diebold's and ES&S's secret vote tabulation formulae (Bush won), thus DEPRIVING the American people of major evidence of election fraud, and squelching protests and calls for investigation.

And thus we arrive to today, with a completely inept, horribly corrupt, and wholly illegitimate president whose puppet strings are being pulled by the war profiteers, for the war profiteers, and of the war profiteers.

We've lost even basic sanity and competence in our government--let alone true representation of the interests of the majority. Kerry as president would have given us at least the latter (basic sanity and competence). That is what I am convinced people voted for. As for true representation, we'll have to throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' to even begin to get true representation. (And after we throw these election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor,' then we will have to pass a Constitutional amendment banning all private money in political campaigns, and reclaiming some of our public airwaves for political debate. But that's a ways off. First priority: recovering transparent elections.)

[Stevepol]

26. Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah. Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Peace Patriot!!!

My sentiments exactly. Was it you who first said something like this statement that I read in some DU post: "Americans aren't stupid; they're just disenfranchised right now"?

[whatever4]

9. It will mean more money for the warmongers :( nm

[Lancer]

11. I'm only going on memory here,

but I seem to recall Kerry laying out some pretty decent strategies for resolving the Iraq nightmare he would have inherited.

I seem to recall Kerry mentioning in the debates, among other things, a peace process modeled on the Paris Peace Talks and Clinton's success in Yugoslavia.

I seem to recall * snidely and arrogantly rejecting this notion. Whoever was feeding him his lines that night seemed to feel that more dead soldiers and Iraqi citizens was infinitely preferable to a bunch of suits sitting around drinking coffee and eating pastry while trying, at least, to hammer out a solution to this obscene war.

P.S. I agree that both Ambassador Wilson and his brilliant wife are heroes.

[goforit]

14. 24/7 !!! You go Wilson!!!....Rally on!!!

[0007]

16. Thank you Joe Wilson!

[janx]

18. Along with many others, I wondered why people didn't

cry out when it was plain that Chimpy was headed to war under false pretenses.

But Wilson was standing up, and others were too. We just didn't hear about it then.

[ToolTex]

22. Those who didn't listen are just as guilty as Bush.

I'm tired of giving passes to those who "didn't know" or who "weren't told." They chose not to know. They wanted their selfish tax-cuts and didn't give a damn who died. Well now the Treasury is well past empty and they have traded our liberties for empty promises of protection. I knew and you knew. They chose not to acknowledge, but they damn well knew. And they are guilty.

I don't know how they can live with the rolls of our war dead. I don't know how they live with themselves. I consider Bush supporters to be traitors equal to Bush, Burr, Rove, Libby, et cetera, and not worthy of citizenship.

[paineinthearse]

20. 5th!

Go, Joe! (and I don't mean Lieberman).

For all who can journey to Worcester, Ma on 10/17, check out the Massachusetts forum.

[farmboxer]

28. The truth to a Republican is like a cross to a vampire!

Bush has lied over and over again for years! It is time his lies catch up with him!

So, Bush will end America's extremely high gas prices by cutting even more taxes for the huge oil companies, while they are making record profits!

[symbolman]

29. Arms dealers will make a

KILLING then.

I feature Joe Wilson prominently in my film "Rove's War" at Takebackthemedia.com, 150 minutes of Plame Chronology on 2 DVDs, spent a year researching it..

Too bad my film on Electronic Election fraud is in the courts..