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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:23 PM
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NYT: Liberal Hopes Ebb in Post-Storm Poverty Debate
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 10:59 PM by Pirate Smile

Published: October 11, 2005
WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 - As Hurricane Katrina put the issue of poverty onto the national agenda, many liberal advocates wondered whether the floods offered a glimmer of opportunity. The issues they most cared about - health care, housing, jobs, race - were suddenly staples of the news, with President Bush pledged to "bold action."

But what looked like a chance to talk up new programs is fast becoming a scramble to save the old ones.

Representative Mike Pence, right, with his press secretary, Matt Lloyd, says raising taxes on the wealthy would hinder the Gulf Coast's revival.

Conservatives have already used the storm for causes of their own, like suspending requirements that federal contractors have affirmative action plans and pay locally prevailing wages. And with federal costs for rebuilding the Gulf Coast estimated at up to $200 billion, Congressional Republican leaders are pushing for spending cuts, with programs like Medicaid and food stamps especially vulnerable.

"We've had a stunning reversal in just a few weeks," said Robert Greenstein, director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal advocacy group in Washington. "We've gone from a situation in which we might have a long-overdue debate on deep poverty to the possibility, perhaps even the likelihood, that low-income people will be asked to bear the costs. I would find it unimaginable if it wasn't actually happening."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/11/politics/11poverty.html?hp&ex=1129003200&en=985822270f6ea08b&ei=5094&partner=homepage


edit to add the Wash Post article on this topic which spins it in the opposite direction.:


Cuts in Energy Spending May Prove Elusive
Post-Katrina Efforts Slow GOP Drive

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 11, 2005; Page A02

Soaring energy prices and a renewed attention to issues of poverty after Hurricane Katrina are hampering Republicans' plans to cut dozens of federal programs that Congress had targeted for elimination before the hurricane struck.

By mid-summer, the House Appropriations Committee had identified 98 federal programs to terminate, at a savings of $4.3 billion. President Bush, pressured by his conservative base, had vowed to pursue such terminations in his 2006 budget proposal. And the rush of spending that followed Katrina has triggered an emphatic drive by small-government conservatives to begin reining in federal spending -- at least enough to cover the cost of hurricane relief.

But it could be much tougher to go after programs targeting high energy costs and flood control when Congress returns next week to complete work on spending plans for fiscal 2006, which began this month.

Among the programs set for elimination are high-energy cost amelioration grants totaling $28 million and natural disaster emergency loan subsidies totaling $3 million, both administered by the Agriculture Department. Other targets are $70 million in flood control and coastal emergency programs of the Army Corps of Engineers, a $298 million emergency low-income heating assistance fund, and the $10 million empowerment zone and enterprise community program.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/10/AR2005101001316.html

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:32 PM
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1. more
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 10:39 PM by Pirate Smile
"Economic growth is crucial to reducing poverty, but the effect of tax rates is less clear. In 1993, President Bill Clinton raised taxes on upper-income families, the economy boomed and poverty fell for the next seven years. In 2001, President Bush cut taxes deeply, but even with economic growth, the poverty rate has risen every year since.

-snip-
"He talks about lending a helping hand to the poor and disadvantaged," Jared Bernstein, a researcher at the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research and advocacy group in Washington, said of Mr. Bush. "But these policies push the other way, toward lower wages and less racial inclusion."

-snip-
Mr. Grassley wants to expand Medicaid to cover all the poor who survived Hurricane Katrina, including many adults who did not previously qualify. The expansion would last five months, though it could be extended, and the federal government would cover the costs.

While most Democrats support the measure, the Bush administration strongly opposes it, arguing that evacuees would be served faster through more modest changes in existing state programs. "




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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:21 PM
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4. What? Get the state of LA to pick up the tab? Right. All they can
afford is asprin....at bulk prices. The rich are going to have to start coughing up!
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:01 AM
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13. friend of mine needed help in La. after Rita. She had broken her foot.
FEMA gave her an asprin. Red Cross insisted she STAND in line for hours to be seen (and given another asprin?). When she tried to sit, guards gruffly yelled at her to stand back in line. I believe she said "screw this" and left to deal with it on her own.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:46 AM
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15. This is outrageous..Could you post more about the story and PM me about it
Thanks
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:50 PM
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18. that's all I know right now....will have to catch her online again
next time I can catch her online, I'll ask her for more of the story. I put ya on my buddy list so HOPEFULLY I'll remember to PM you.

Yes, I was infuriated to hear about it too. Absolutely disgusting. My SIL in same area also said FEMA and Red Cross totally sucked
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:55 PM
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19. Thanks. I would like to find out more. What an outrage.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:53 PM
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2. Political science 101
It's very hard, damn hard, top control the agenda when you are the party out of power on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. The last time I think I ever saw that happen was for a few months in 1994.

Democrats could yell and scream all they want--not that they are--and the likely outcome would be the same. When you don't control the White House, or congressional committee chairmanships then it's very hard to control which issues the American people are talking about as part of daily political debate.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:59 PM
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3. A lot of this is explained by the death of citizenship,
As long as it's a me,me,me generation with selective vindictiveness and cognitive dissonance, any type of political reform is impossible.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 01:44 AM
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7. me me me
they don't get it, it is us us us.

They don't get how helping society actually over all improves the quality of our life.

By backing workers for example one improves one's own job even when it's non-union.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:50 PM
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5. Raising taxes on the wealth could only help...
If anybody with a shred of decency wants to see the people already hurt by poverty and desperation helped, then raising taxes on the wealthy is the only decent way to do it. Raising their taxes will not cause them any harm, but eliminating pay, medical care, and public assistance for those who have lost everything else, could very well cost them the only things they have left, their lives.

Has it come to this, in this country, that protecting the wealthy elite is worth a poor person's life? If it truly has, then I'd rather take my chances in a country like Venezuela. At least I speak some Spanish.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:33 AM
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11. Must be something in the air ...
You said,
"Has it come to this, in this country, that protecting the wealthy elite is worth a poor person's life? If it truly has, then I'd rather take my chances in a country like Venezuela. At least I speak some Spanish."

For some reason, as I was lying in bed this morning, struggling to get up, I was wondering, if I really did come down with something serious health-wise, if I could apply for asylum in Hugo Chavez's country, where he believes that health care is not a privelege, but a right.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 01:43 AM
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6. Just a crime n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:42 AM
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8. "at a savings of $4.3 billion"
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 02:43 AM by depakid
How much do we spend per month in Iraq?
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:17 AM
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14. and didn't the tax cuts trash the treasury BEFORE Iraq?
argg..and I was arguing with one of my brainwashed frineds, trying to explain how the tax cuts are for the rich folks and any "rebate" he got (and he AIN'T rich) is long gone due to rising prices etc, while poverty rising and services to poor being gutted. He refuses to hear me. Goes off on bizarre tangents ("Well, JFK lied, had affair on poor Jackie." <-----WTF?????? .... I couldn't even get him to understand that so-called "point" had nothing to do with anything.....Makes it reallllly hard to talk to him; smart guy in some ways, but seriously divorced from reality in others.)

Exscuse me, I needed to vent my frustration there a little. Oh why do I even bother with people who absolutely do NOT want to hear any facts? :banghead:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:42 AM
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9. But the poor represent a loss on the balance sheet.
In a business you try to cut or eliminate the losses (in this case the poor, sick, elderly, disabled) and maximize the profit side of the ledger.

Bush has clearly indicated that war offers a much larger profit margin to the people who matter.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:31 AM
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10. musn't interfere with making the rich, richer.
or getting no bid contracts to haliburton.
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RelativelyJones Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:42 AM
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12. Lacking a leader
Dean can't do it all by himself.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:57 PM
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16. Hi RelativelyJones!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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RelativelyJones Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:29 PM
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17. Thanks, NY99!
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