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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:46 PM
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Kerry won't see campaign documentary

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/entertainment/music/12875188.htm

Kerry won't see campaign documentary

Associated Press


BOSTON - A new documentary about Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign, warts and all, is making the rounds in New York and Washington. But its leading man has no plans to see it.

"I lived it," the Massachusetts Democrat told reporters with a laugh on Tuesday. "I think I know what happens."

"Inside the Bubble," shot by two filmmakers given extensive behind-the-scenes access, includes lengthy scenes in which a press assistant goes on an expletive-laced tirade as he tries to arrange to have a pony placed in the room of another Kerry aide as a surprise birthday gift.

Kerry is also seen passing time by speaking Italian while waiting for a round of television interviews, and complaining about a media depiction of legislation he sponsored.


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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:49 PM
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1. I can see how viewing a doc about yourself can really mess with
your head. Same way some actors dont watch their own movies Maybe he will see it one day.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:53 PM
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2. His "I lived it. I think I know what happens" attitude
Is the primary reason he lost the election, IMHO.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:54 PM
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4. The movie is BS. This has been said by all people who saw it.
Why should he bother?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:58 PM
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6. And...IMHO...he didn't lose the election...
but, then again i don't watch Fox news.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:44 PM
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22. What are you implying?
That anyone who doesn't truck with tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories is a Republican? Good attitude...

Actually, I was referring to the fact that his hubris caused him to shrug off friends and advisors who tried to advise him that touchscreen voting and non-paper-trail voting was susceptible to tampering, the fact that he didn't feel that he needed to quickly address and refute the Swift Boat claims because they were baseless, and the fact that he never admitted that he made a mistake in voting for the IWR -- even after it was obvious that there were no WMD's in Iraq.

Thanks for the passive-aggressive accusation though...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:17 PM
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25. Looks like...
I did it again. Usually I catch myself before hitting the post button, but not this time. So an apology is in order. My snarky post is evidence of my need stay away from Kerry threads. He is my senator, and while i can understand criticism, i truly wish people would start ripping up somebody else now. It makes me ill.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:23 PM
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30. I'm with you, stillcool....
I get so phuckin' sick and tired of all these "Kerry lost" or "Kerry ran a bad campaign" posts. It just seems like they love to come around and rub salt in a wound that won't heal, and disempower the people who actually gave everything they had, and still believe in Kerry as a person and as a leader.

I sometimes hit the Post Message button before I should, too. I just wish THEY had remorse about hitting their own Post Message button.

Chin up. We'll keep working!

:kick:

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:46 PM
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32. that's very nice..
Thanks...:hi: hopefully i will learn to pause when agitated...soon.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:02 PM
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24. I fail to see what FOX news
or lack of news has to do with the other poster.
:shrug:
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:01 PM
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9. Nah, he's just paraphrasing Pee-Wee.
Another reason to find JFK endearing.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 12:30 AM
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34. No, I think an incumbent war President and a biased media
is what lead to Kerry's lose. I would also add some mighty slimy outright lies from the rebubs and the SBV.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:53 PM
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3. Given the reviews I have read that made clear that the filmmakers
largely oversold what is in their movie, he is totally right, IMHO.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:59 PM
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7. I just heard an interesting interview with the filmmaker on Air America's
"Politically Direct" with David Bender (it's sponsored by People for the American Way). He didn't oversell it at all — and the host heartily recommended the film.

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/direct/

The file is available on iTunes as a podcast.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:13 PM
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10. The movie is not about the big whig of the Kerry campaign
but about mid-level staffers and the chaos that is in any campaign.

If this is what you are interesting by, fine. If you are looking at insight into the strategic decision process of the campaign, it is simply not here.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:16 PM
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11. Have you seen it? NT
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:18 PM
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13. I have read reviews of people who saw him and dont like Kerry.
I dont intend to see it because even the excerpts that are on the web and are supposed to be the high points of the movies are totally irrelevant of the campaign.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:22 PM
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14. Well, I hope you don't mind if others watch it when it shows up on
IFC or Sundance. It was made to be shown on TV, not for theatrical release.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:25 PM
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18. I could not care less - just saying that I dont see why the fact that
Kerry will not see it is such a big deal here.

For the rest, I could not care less what you do.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 12:39 AM
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35. Actually, if your that interested go watch it. Actually, I hear that
Kerry comes off as down to earth and appealing in it. And, I bet he looks good doing it too.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:57 PM
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5. So ironic
and so predictable. Living in a bubble too much to watch a movie called Inside the Bubble
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:23 PM
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16. Except the film doesn't focus on him at all. It focuses on the people
working on the campaign and THEIR dealings with various episodes.

If you've ever worked in a campaign, they tend to be chaotic during event situations.

I worked at organizing large celebrity events in LA for 13 years, and no matter how well-oiled the machine, some problems are always going to rear their ugly heads.

Campaigns should use veteran stadium rock roadies..... they're most capable of handling the unexpected surprise.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:00 PM
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8. Seems to me
that he could learn more about himself by sitting back and watching what others will see.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:17 PM
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12. Except they see nothing of Kerry in this movie and the few they see
show a Kerry that is very at ease with people.

This is not "Inside the War Room" at all.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:00 PM
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23. I have not seen the movie
so I was just commenting on what was in the OP.
Of course, I could be wrong.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 12:42 AM
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36. Don't think for a minute that Kerry hasn't sat back and contemplated
his campaign mistakes and analyzed the shortcomings of it. This movie is in no way a good analysis of the campaign.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 12:48 AM
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37. I agree with Kerry, after what I heard about it, I don't want to see
it either. Although, I did hear Kerry is appealing in it and looks very presidential.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:22 PM
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15. Anyone else just find this obsurd...
"a press assistant goes on an expletive-laced tirade as he tries to arrange to have a pony placed in the room of another Kerry aide as a surprise birthday gift."

Maybe I've just become too cynical lately...
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:59 PM
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28. There Is Some Truth The Pony
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 06:59 PM by iamjoy
birthday gift - but I don't remember any profanity.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:24 PM
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17. A couple of reviews of people who have seen the movie,
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 03:31 PM by Mass
http://slate.msn.com/id/2127242/nav/tap2

http://blogs.indiewire.com/steve.rosenbaum/archives/005989.html - Bender's comment describes accuretely the movie, as far as I understand it.

However, my only question is why does AP consider as news the fact that Kerry will not see the movie.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:26 PM
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19. Your second URL is a blog from the filmmaker. NT
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:29 PM
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20.  I was talking about the comment by Bender.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:34 PM
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21. Yep, that's from the show I just listened to that I mentioned above. NT
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:18 PM
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26. Even if he watched it, I doubt he'd "get it"
He probably still thinks he lost for purely tactical reasons.
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Atlanta Progressive Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:43 PM
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27. Good article on the Documentary in Slate
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 05:47 PM by Atlanta Progressive
http://slate.msn.com/id/2127242/

This was mentioned in a previous post...sorry.

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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:17 PM
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29. What I would like to see
is a documentary on election night and the 2 weeks after that. Dream on...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:39 PM
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31. While the very thought of a president speaking Italian made me sad,
thinking of the inelegant thug we have in the White House, I wish Kerry had spent some time on Diebold's and ES&S's SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, a first priority issue. If you have Bushite corporations counting the votes behind the "Wizard of Oz" curtain of electronic voting, what do you expect to have happen? That they won't USE their secret programming code? That faith alone will elect you? Or your intelligence? Or your decent policies? Or your hard work? I mean, come on.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 12:14 AM
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33. Doesn't want the reminder he stabbed us in the back
with a simple phone call.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 01:02 AM
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38. guy who made the film said the swift boat accusations were largely true
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