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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:57 PM
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DeLay Lawyers Subpoena District Attorney
Lawyers for indicted Rep. Tom DeLayon Tuesday subpoenaed the prosecuting Texas district attorney in an effort to show he acted improperly with grand jurors. The subpoena for Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, filed in Austin, asked that the prosecutor and two of his assistants appear in court to explain their conduct. The lawyers, previously had filed a motion asking for dismissal of the conspiracy and money-laundering charges against DeLay, the former House majority leader who has stepped aside from that post because of the indictment. Dick DeGuerin, DeLay's attorney, also asked that grand jurors be released from their secrecy oath so they could answer questions about the prosecutor's conduct.

Earle, leading a Texas campaign finance investigation that indicted DeLay and two political associates, went to three grand juries. He presented evidence on DeLay's alleged role in funneling corporate money to Texas legislative candidates in violation of state law. The first grand jury indicted DeLay on conspiracy charges, the second failed to indict and the third indicted him on an allegation of money laundering. DeLay has said he is innocent of wrongdoing.

DeLay has accused Earle — a Democrat — of pursuing the case against him for political reasons. Earle has denied any political motives. In a motion filed last week, the defense team said that from Sept. 29 through Oct. 3, Earle and his staff "unlawfully participated in grand jury deliberations and attempted to browbeat and coerce" the grand jury that refused to indict DeLay.

The motion said Earle then attempted to cover up and delay public disclosure of the refusal, and also "incited" the foreman of the first grand jury to violate grand jury secrecy by talking publicly about the case — in an effort to influence grand jurors still sitting. The lawyers said Earle then spoke about the case with members of the first grand jury, whose work was finished, to get their opinion of what they might have done if they had known their conspiracy indictment was flawed — as defense attorneys alleged. Earle then submitted the grand jury opinions to the third grand jury to persuade it to hand down the money laundering indictment, the defense team contended.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051011/ap_on_go_co/delay_prosecutor
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:01 PM
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1. Isn't this as good as an admission Delay's nailed and knows it?
Sounds like extreme desperation.

Can this hold up Earle's work on Delay? I really HOPE not.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:04 PM
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2. Don'f forget that DeLay sez:
I am the government.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:09 PM
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28. I don't care if he thinks he is God, he is noting but a crooked asshole
and piece of shit.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:05 PM
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3. I'm sure Earle is shaking in his boots----not.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:05 PM
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4. sounds like the "pot is calling the kettle black"
I love it......
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:16 PM
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7. Are you saying that both Earle and DeLay are dirty?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:35 PM
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13. No I'm not...excuse my mindlessness today.
but i do love the delay indictment.Hopefully Fitzgerald will indict
the scum from the Bush Crime Family..Again,I apologize,I'm not feeling well today,financial troubles have me down....have a beer on me..:toast: still friends ??
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:25 PM
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24. S'allright!
Pardon my confusion. Sometimes I'm too literal. Beer accepted-many thanks.
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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:05 PM
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5. Iam not an legal eagle but it seems Delay thinks the best ..........
Defense is a good offense. This shit is gonna carry on for a while, Its gonna be hard to bring delay down. Just hope earle played by the rules, Even if delay doesnt!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:12 PM
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6. DeLay's case is baseless and will be dismissed.
Shame, shame on his lawyer who certainly knows better. This is all about making a BRU-HA-HA and has nothing to do with asserting a valid claim. I'd love if DeLay's lawyer was slapped hard with sanctions for filing this bs.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:21 PM
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8. Delay will stop at nothing
he and his cronies are economical with the truth
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:22 PM
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9. CNN legal eagle said he'd be surprised that a judge would let
this subpoena stand. Al, Earle team is putting together, or already has put together, a motion to squash the subpoena.

Even CNN said DeLay thinks his best defence is a strong, hard core offence, and he's probably going to play it this way until the end.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:30 PM
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10. He's certainly offensive
But yes, I know what you mean. DeLay plays dirty, and makes the rules up as he goes.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:32 PM
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11. Hey, it's Texas.
Nothing surprises me in that shithole ... my apologies and deepest condolences to DU'ers in Texas.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 11:02 AM
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42. A latter-day Judge Roy Bean?
The Law West of the Pecos

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 02:03 PM
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43. Well, Ronnie Earle is a Texan.
And he's the one who may bring down DeLay.

So is Juanita. She's a constituent of DeLay but also writes about other matters.

www.brazosriver.com/index.html

Who wants to live in a place without surprises?

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 05:32 PM
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12. Never defend; always attack.
Tom DeLay, Scientologist.
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Cone10 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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14. Tom Delay's Attorney Subpoena DA for Misconduct
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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15. Who'd they ask Roy Bean...
Dick DeGuerin, DeLay's attorney, also asked that grand jurors be released from their secrecy oath so they could answer questions about the prosecutor's conduct

This has to be legal.:wtf:
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Dean_Convert Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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16. The Bugman sprays his poison
We all knew this malicious little rat would find a way to keep smearing a serious law enforcement officer.

He's a total :puke:.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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19. Welcome Dean_Convert
:toast:

I thought I heard this right . There was something on AAR today.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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17. DeGuerin said to Earle, "If you did nothing improper, you should not be
concerned about answering these questions".

I like DeGuerin's style.

So *, please answer did you go AWOL, did you use coke, did you pay for your teenage girl friend's abortion?

*, "If you did nothing improper, you should not be concerned about answering these questions".
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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18. Cone10: Could you find a better link for this?
The current one is just a link to the homepage
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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20. Imagine
Imagine if every time somebody was charged for a trivial non-violent drug offense they sued the DA for malicious prosecution and misconduct. The courts would be more clogged than a broken sink.

That would lead to reform of our drug laws real fast in this country.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:48 PM
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21. Link is
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 06:51 PM
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22. Either Deguerin will hijack this process away from Earle or
Earle will retain control. DeGuerin is trying to hijack the process away from Earle. I think the only appropriate word for this is "hijack". The naked blatancy of DeGuerin is astonishing to me. The interesting thing is that to DeGuerin, whether Delay is guilty or not is completely irrelevant. Such is justice to the GOP. DeGuerin is simply attempting to hijack the process away from the Grand Jury and Earle.

Gotta hand it to DeGuerin, he is good.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:10 PM
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29. I don't think
that most defense attorney's care about guilt or innocense. This seems to be a fairly smart manuever, but he'll never have a working relationship with that DA again.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 08:50 PM
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30. Well he hasn't a relationship with Earle as
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 08:51 PM by Gman
he defended Kay Baily Hutchinson against Earle when she was State Treasurer and he did it in much the same way as he is now with Earle. Same aggressive "try the case in the media before the jury's even picked" style.
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dogonarug Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:28 PM
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32. Too much media attention...
Gee, guess who will be crying for a change of venue before too long...worked with K. Hutchinson. Hope the judge ultimately tells em they will have to sleep where they shit.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:10 PM
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35. Cone 10.. are you a potter???
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antiblazer Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:10 PM
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23. sheer retaliation
Delay is still up to his old tricks by stooping as low as possible by retaliating against the DA. It's nothing more than sheer arrogance and vindictiveness from Delay.
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mrfocus Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:30 PM
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25. DELAY-SPERATION....

The furious desperation of the neo-con crime clan is very telling. They never thought they'd get caught, and now they are indignant and stunned, like little children caught with the hand in the cookie jar.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:35 PM
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26. DeGuerin is even meaner than Delay. They make a formidable
army, that, and the fact that the media is in their pocket, as are half of the repuke judges in Texas.

Earle has an uphill battle with these two evil-infested sleezebags. But he knew that going in.

DeGuerin has beat Earle before at this game, and, in another case, he's gotten off a murderer who chopped up his victim -- he got the charge reduced to "destroying the evidence" (i.e., the chopped up body), and got everything else thrown out on technicalities. Like I said: he's slimy, and he's an evil-infested sleezebag. And he's a brilliant attorney.

Delay may walk for all of this with DeGuerin on his side.

:kick:

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 02:09 PM
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44. Don't call Robert Durst a murderer!
Edited on Wed Oct-12-05 02:09 PM by Bridget Burke
The millionaire did admit to dismembering his neighbor & tossing the remains into Galveston Bay. But DeGuerin convinced the jury that there was no PROOF Durst had killed him!

Durst's first wife disappeared in 1982...

If I were rich & guilty, guilty, guilty--I'd hire DeGuerin in a minute.


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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 07:36 PM
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27. This POS will do anything
to avoid answering the charges. When you do not have either
the evidence or the law to pound on they pound on the table.
Suspect there will be a lot of that before any trial begins.
Is Delay guilty as charged? You damn bet he is but the legal
tricks pulled will only bring this to bear in peoples minds.
Hope he can keep it up for our use next fall because I think
the public opinion is very much against him.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 09:24 PM
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31. What a meglomanaical asshole
I think this is more a play for Delay's hardcore supporters. It will go nowhere.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:00 PM
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33. DeLay lawyers subpoena district attorney (Ronnie Earle)
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 11:04 PM by Dover
Oct. 11, 2005, 10:56PM

DeLay lawyers subpoena district attorney
Associated Press
REP. TOM DELAY

WASHINGTON — Indicted Rep. Tom DeLay's attorneys turned the tables on a Texas prosecutor today, delivering a subpoena to compel his testimony about his conduct with grand jurors.

Defense attorney Dick DeGuerin, who contends there was misconduct by prosecutors, said Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle refused the subpoena at his Austin office when he declined to sign a paper acknowledging its delivery. Earle said he had voluntarily accepted the subpoena.

The subpoena is part of the defense tactic to have charges dismissed before trial against DeLay, R-Texas, who was obligated to temporarily step aside as House majority leader when charged with conspiracy and money laundering in a state campaign finance investigation. DeLay has denied any wrongdoing.

DeGuerin wants Earle and two of his assistants to testify, alleging prosecutors had improper contact with two grand juries that indicted DeLay and one that refused to file charges...cont'd

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/3391994

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:06 PM
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34. The GOP turned the tables on Earle before, with a suit against
Kay Bailey Hutchison. He was forced to drop the suit or be caught up in the court system through eternity. But she WAS guilty.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 11:55 PM
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36. Pride before the fall
Delay has long acted as if he were above the law... and he's soon going to find out that he's not only subject to the law, he's going find out that defendant who act this way end up facing the maximum sentence.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 01:13 AM
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37. First things first Tom... YOU go to court first
he's a smug bastard, eh?
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:48 AM
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38. DeLay's lawyers subpoena DA in effort to show misconduct
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/3392541

-AUSTIN - Lawyers for U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay want to question Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle about his contact with members of three grand juries in an effort to show he acted improperly in seeking indictments against DeLay.

The subpoenas ask for all documents, notes, telephone records and other relevant materials related to contact involving Earle and two of his assistants with the grand juries. Two of the three grand juries returned indictments against DeLay, and the third issued a no-bill.-

Sorry if this was already posted. But even if it has already been.....

What a bastard!!

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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:48 AM
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39. Had heard about this but seems like that would be a difficult thing
to get a judge to rule on. Have they said it is ok? Only a request for now is'nt it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:48 AM
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40. That's just DeLay's MO. The judge can quaash the subpoena,
and I suspect Earl is filing a motion to quash, or has already done so.

What did you expect DeLay to do? If you can't scream I'M INNOCENT!!!! the other other option is to go after the prosecutor!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 10:55 AM
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41. DeLay is throwing his fortunes to a Texas judge, hoping that the judge
will put party loyalty over law. It's his last chance. He knows if he goes to court he's sunk. So he's hoping that some one of the judges his money helped put in office will show loyalty to him. Meanwhile, he blasts Earle publicly to try to turn the public against Earle, so his voters won't turn against him when he gets off on a corrupt ruling.

DeLay is the worst of the worst. He makes Bush look almost decent. Almost. There is no doubt that DeLay broke the law, knew he was breaking the law, and conspired to hide his criminal actions as he was committing them. If that goes to jury, DeLay is exposed, and nothing hurts a sociopath worse than being revealed.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 06:12 PM
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45. Trusting to judges has worked out pretty well for the GOP.
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