New Kilgore ads hit Kaine hard over death penalty (VA Governor Race)

[maxrandb]

I find this extremely disgisting. Once again, the repuKKKes are using the pain, suffering and fear of people to benefit politically. I thought Sean Insanity and Limpballs say that it is Democrats who always play the Hitler card.

I hope the good people of VA see this for what it is; "a Republican pissing on the graves of dead people". Just "effing" dispicable!!

Have I mentioned lately how much I "effing" hate these people?

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=93551&ran=237196&tref=po

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RICHMOND — Republican gubernatorial nominee Jerry W. Kilgore released a television ad Tuesday accusing Democrat Timothy W. Kaine of being so opposed to the death penalty that he would have qualms about executing Adolf Hitler.

A spokeswoman for the Kaine campaign called the Hitler charge “overstated.” Kaine responded with his own television commercial repeating his pledge to carry out executions if he is elected, even though he personally opposes capital punishment on religious grounds.

Kilgore unveiled two powerful new ads in which family members of murder victims accuse Kaine of being soft on the death penalty.

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Isn't it great to see the Democrats being so forceful? :sarcasm: Who the heck is the "spokeswoman" for Kaine who came out with guns blazing to call this ad...WAIT FOR IT..."overstated"

Now that's a "powerful" comeback.

[maxrandb]

1. Here, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with America

There are people out there that will actually believe this shit!

"Rosenbluth, appearing on a dark screen holding pictures of his son and daughter in law, briefly describes their deaths. “Tim Kaine voluntarily represented the man who murdered my son,” he said. “He stood with murderers in trying to get them off death row. No matter how heinous the crime, he doesn’t believe that death is a punishment.

'“Tim says that Adolf Hitler doesn’t qualify for the death penalty,” Rosenbluth continues. “This was the … the worst mass murderer in modern times.”'

Jeebus! Why not just come out and say the Democrat supports Hitler?

The National Democratic leadership better come out in force and slam this disgusting example of what our discourse has become.

[clydefrand]

4. You are absolutely right. I just finished reading the article

in our newspaper. I hate that this ignorant fool Kilgore has a good chance of winning by lying his ass off just like the majority of the repukes.

[cantstandbush]

37. Screw the death penalty as an issue. What about "life" issues?

What about Republican cronyism and corruption. What about social services?

[demnan]

2. The spokeswoman should have called it what it is

hyperbole that means absolutely nothing! What I'd like to know is how do "pro-life" people justify the institutional killing of people accused of crimes? Forget about the criminals, what happens to the souls of those asked to do the executing?

[McKenzie]

3. agreed - just plain sick

I'm going to ignore replies to this thread because the sort of debate generated by the pros and cons of cold bloodedly killing someone turns my stomach. It's not a debate where logic applies...it is a matter of principle and not something I regard as negotiable. So at the risk of sounding rude I'm not going to reply to anyone who asks me to justify my position on this issue.

Fucking sick.

[smiley_glad_hands]

5. Kaine should say:

As a religious person and someone who believes in a "culture of life", I personally am against the death penalty, as I am personally against abortion.

As Gov. of Va. I will enforce the laws on the books and won't seek to repeal the death penalty, and I shall not force my religious beliefs on the people of Va.

or something along those lines

[underpants]

10. That's almost exactly what Kaine said in the debate Sunday night

He was VERY impressive.

This is embarassingly bad but I am not surprised-Kilgore's whole campaign is "Look at me I am just like George Bush!!!" in every way too.

[AlCzervik]

18. yes and Kilgore wouldn't take that pledge that roadkill wearing

Larry Sabato proposed--"No more then 50% negative ads."

[underpants]

19. What else does Kilgore have?

a note from his mother?

On EDIT-That was a ZINGER and a good one.

[AlCzervik]

20. you saw the debate that tim Russert moderated--yes?

If Kilgore gets elected after that cluster fuck there is no justice in this world.

[underpants]

23. No I wacthed (and taped)the one on Sunday

WOw not only was Kaine really good (IMHO) but Kilgore was even more of a empty suit than I had expected.

The only thing that Kilgore was clear about was that he wanted the death penalty for Taylor Behl.

[AlCzervik]

28. Here is a clip, it's about 5 minutes long and well worth watching

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/09/13/VI2005091301465.html?referrer=emaillink

This is the one Russert Moderated.

[underpants]

30. Finally I saw it

WOw that was as bad as I had read and heard about.

Kilgore is laugable. Seriously laughable. He is emblematic of how bad politics and discourse have gotten in this country. Hell we had debates in elementary school government and he would have been laughed off the stage for THOSE...but now he is the nominee of one of the major partys for the Governorship of Virginia....amazing.

[specimenfred1984]

6. I Saw It, Ignored It.

The repukes always put out at least one hateful ad, it's to give their hateful followers something to latch onto.

These repukes just needed something to perpetuate their denials, it could be any smear at all, anything hateful will do.

There's another ad from the repukes that says the dem likes high gas prices, LOL. Anyone dumb enough to fall for the repuke's smears deserves lousy repuke "leadership".

[xchrom]

7. it's the primary reason for supporting hackett in ohio,

he replaces that paradigm for sheer aggression.

if democrats want repukes to change their campaign tactics -- sic them like pit bulls and don't let go until they scream.

[trogdor]

15. I wouldn't even let go if they scream.

I'd wait until they've passed out from the agony. Do 'em like you're a loan shark with a deadbeat who's three days late with his payment. Figuratively, of course.

[dean_dem]

8. Typical Kilgore.

At least Kaine is consistent in his religious beliefs. Kilgore is only consistent at being a hypocritical blowhard.

[godai]

9. Shows that it's close

Repubs must be worried to start the scare ads. Rasmussen has it 46/44
for Kilgore.

[BlueManDude]

11. people get what they deserve

i've long since ceased caring about middle and low income white guys who fall for this stuff every 2 or 4 years. good luck feeding your family, paying your mortgage, sending your kids to college. who cares...

[underpants]

12. Kilgore IS consistent -he supports the death penalty for Taylor Behl

That is a really bad joke but if you saw the debate on Sunday night Kilgore had a statement "I support the death penalty in the Taylor Behl case"

She is a young girl who went missing and was found dead recently. I laughed out loud at how badly written (and read) that statement by Kilgore was.

IF you can find the debate video watch it. It is like seeing W without Rove to nurture him along (and no wire ear piece). Kilgore's whole campaign is "Look at me I am just like President Bush!!!"" seriously he still thinks that is a selling point. Oh and the other part of this campaign is "Kaine is EVIL!!!" That's about it.

That Kilgore is even close is a SAD SAD statement about Virginians. I actually chuckle when I see Kilgore stickers and yardsigns since the debate.

[dean_dem]

13. Hah, I forgot about that!

Besides the Behl comment, I'm beginning to think Kilgore must have been molested by an accountant as a child. That poor little man must have the worst nightmares, about devlish ghouls and liberal trolls who are constantly trying to raise his taxes, as much as he keeps harping about it at every debate.

[underpants]

14. WOW watch the "Stanley #1" ad here

http://www.jerrykilgore.com/contents/media/videos/ads/

This is beyond low but it will probably be very effective.

People don't want to even consider how stupid, costly , and ineffectual the death penalty is.

[MidwestTransplant]

16. Wow I guess he is trying to out do the Torture President

[northzax]

17. two things:

one: Virginia does not have parole, so a life sentance is just that, a life sentance. the only reason for the Death Penalty is vengance.

two: Virginia does no allow a judge to order DNA testing in death penalty cases.

Kilgore is an idiot.

[lynne]

34. HUH? Are you sure about parole and DNA?

Virginia has a Parole Board . . . I hope they're doing something other than collecting a paycheck. Below is their URL:

http://www.vadoc.state.va.us/about/paroleboard/default.htm

Also, from what I've read, Virginia allows DNA testing but a judge must order it, it's not automatic.

[northzax]

35. parole was abolished for all new sentences starting in 1995

previous prisoners were grandfathered in, which means the Parole Board still exists, when the last of those dies, the board will be defunct.

The virginia Supreme Court has never, that I can find, granted an appeal to demand DNA testing on convicted prisoners, although the USSC has ordered it in several cases.

[0rganism]

21. Wow, now who's rolling out the Nazi comparisons?

Of course when republicans do it, it's "powerful new", or at worst "overstated". When Democrats do it, it's "beyond the pale", "dispicable", and maybe even "antisemitic". Remember the MoveOn user-submitted ad contest?

The corporate media supports this double standard, it requires replacement.

[underpants]

22. EXACTLY* -Godwin's Law

According to Wikipedia, Godwin’s Law was formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990, and states that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” Wikipedia adds:

Many people have extended Godwin’s law to imply that the invoking of the Nazis as a debating tactic (in any argument not directly related to World War II or the Holocaust) automatically loses the argument, simply because the nature of these events is such that any comparison to any event less serious than genocide, ethnic cleansing, barbaric medical tests or extinction is invalid and in poor taste.



http://raisingkaine.com/blog/

*Now you see Kilgore's ad doesn't actually say the Kaine is Hitler or that he is even LIKE Hitler it just says.....

That is going to be the longwinded response from the right to anyone who points out the obvious as you have.

Do you think it was any accident that this was a Jewish man used in the ads?

BTW_ Kaine didn't volunteer he was court appointed AND (this part I don't like very much) the case involved the guy's son who was shot by his cocaine dealer...nice huh?

[0rganism]

32. Republicans are above all laws, including Godwin's Extended

As if we needed more proof.

Not that republicans were ever interested in "winning" such an argument, as their primary interests are served just as well by having the argument in the first place.

[Karmadillo]

24. When did Michael Dukakis join Kaine's rapid response team?

nt

[maxrandb]

25. *UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE*

Apparently Daily Kos has this. In the first ad the guy accuses Kaine of "voluntarily" supporting murderers.

Well, it turns out that Kaine was "court appointed" to represent the guy, and they were killed in a drug deal gone awry.

Question is how does Kaine respond? If he ignores these ads, he gets "swift-boated" like Kerry. If he points out that the guy whose son and daughter-in-law were killed were mixed up in drugs, he is labeled "insensitive".

RepubliKKKan's should be ashamed of themselves. But then again, it's hard to shame evil.

[underpants]

26. Thanks I read that on the GD thread

Kaine's response so far (possibly a smart move) has not been too great. He should have been out calling it desperate and embarassing which it is.

[maxrandb]

27. Kaines Spokeswoman needs to be fired, or sent to the Lee Atwater

school of politics. Her response was that the ad was "overstated"???????

What the "blank" does that mean?? It's true, but just a little over the top? It's wrong, but slightly imbellished?

Another Democrat "bringing a knife to a gunfight".

Kilgore needed to be (figuratively) hung up by his Buster Browns immediately

[ProfessorGAC]

29. I Watched Their Debate On CSPAN

That Kilgore is a piece of work! A closeted Log Cabin Repub if there ever was one. Self-loathing piece of garbage, he is.

He got caught in three lies in the debate, and repeated them anyway, at a later point in the debate. I wouldn't trust that guy to relace a pair of shoes. Dumb, liar, and self-hating. Not the guy i'd want if i lived in VA.
The Professor

[underpants]

31. The question asked has no relevance to what he is about to say

There is a clip above from the debate in NoVa. Russert asks him a question and Kilgore goes right into his stump speech. And LOOKS like he is going into his stump speech. :eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

33. He Did That On The CSPAN Televised Debate Too

About 4 times he didn't even come close to answering the question. He got called on it 3 times. Kaine did it once, and got called on it.
The Professor

[Catchawave]

36. The 'real' Jerry Kilgore

Pass this website to all your Virginia friends !

http://www.therealjerrykilgore.com/

[maxrandb]

38. *UPDATE* Kaine responds and it is B-E-A-utiful

IMHO

Nice to see the Democrat turn the "religious discrimination" card against the RepuKKKes for a change. I think this is a forceful and strong response. I think Kilgore may have this crap blow-up in his face.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=93601&ran=105424

Kaine says Hitler ads show an ''outrageous prejudice''

NORFOLK — Gubernatorial candidate Timothy M. Kaine on Wednesday described as ''outrageous'' a television ad asserting that he would be reluctant to execute Adolf Hitler.

Republican Jerry W. Kilgore’s campaign created and paid for the ad, which began airing Tuesday .

“Jerry is basically saying that somebody who has a faith position that the death penalty is wrong can’t be trusted in office,” Kaine said Wednesday after speaking at a campaign event at Town Point Park in downtown Norfolk . “That demonstrates a real outrageous prejudice.”

[underpants]

39. I've seen Tim's direct and simple response ad

and I liked it. This on top of it is even better.

[Glimmer of Hope]

40. I saw his response too and thought it was great.

The Kilgore ad with the crying widow who is "offended" is in very heavy rotation. I think I have seen it 10 times during the last 24 hours. Once was enough!

[underpants]

42. I caught the Hitler LESS abreviated version this morning

followed by the Kaine ad (in the next commercial break)

The shorter Rosenbluth ad is good but not as effective as the longer one BUT the longer one features the "Hitler" part which I hope and pray will turn on them.

I get the feeling that that ad is going to be one talked about for a LONG time around the country and yes I am aware that it might be the end of Kaine-sad to say but true.

[LibDemAlways]

41. The people of Virginia put

racist moron George Allen in the US Senate - after electing him Governor. What makes anyone think those same voters are intelligent enough to see through Kilgore's bullshit?

It's an uphill battle for Kaine, and being anything less than focused and forceful will get him nowhere.

[Virginian]

43. Not all of us voted for Allen

The more densely populated areas did not go for Allen. Note that in the a higher density area, people actually have to learn to get along with others who come from different religions and cultures. There is more information passed from person to person outside of the church social. The Bible Belt is where Allen got a lot of his votes. Sharing the same name as his father helped him among some football fans who voted on name recognition alone.

You may end up seeing him in a national election if the people of Virginia can't get rid of him in 2006. I don't see a candidate emerging to challenge him for his seat in the senate.

He beat Senator Chuck Robb in 2000 because the former governor, Doug Wilder and the former governor Chuck Robb were at odds. Wilder's followers didn't vote for Robb, so what did they get -- The biggest, bigoted, neo-con in the senate.

I hope when '06 rolls around, Dean will spend some effort to get a Dem elected to Allen's seat. That should take the wind out of Allen's sails as he attempts to run for President in '08.

George Allen would be so bad as President, he would make George Bush look good.

Hmmm, Now that Mark Warner won't do it, I wonder if Doug Wilder would run for the Senate?