Reid will reveal gas plan

[NVMojo]

Las Vegas Sun
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid today plans to stand atop a downtown Las Vegas parking garage with views of freeway traffic as he goads President Bush to do something about gasoline prices.

Reid will unveil some specific proposals, including short-term and long-term plans, that could bring down prices at the pumps, aides said. Included will be proposals to better regulate the oil market and prevent price manipulation, as well as specific tax proposals, Reid spokeswoman Tessa Hafen said.

Reid also is expected to address increasing oil refinery capability, an issue that House lawmakers tackled last week. The result was a raucous 212-210 vote Friday on a refinery-related bill. Not a single Democrat supported it, and some chanted "Shame!" on the House floor.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2005/oct/12/519498022.html

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[NVMojo]

2. Assuming you're a Dem, what's your proposal?? Come on! Speak up!

[Arkana]

3. Well, then let's hear it--what's your plan?

[dannofoot]

4. Hey, it's a "plan"...

...the most constant criticism from the RW and MSM is that "Democrats complain, but offer no plans of their own."

For better or worse, any "plan" is a step in the right direction to counter that litany. Now, let's get a "plan" for withdrawing from Iraq, for Soc Sec security, for health insurance, etc..."plans" that will be understood by Joe Voter, that can be used in a platform for 2006 and 2008.

[rfkrfk]

5. jet fuel tax is FOUR cents a gallon {domestic US}

tax on jet fuel for international flight is nothing, zero

do something about that

[TheFarseer]

7. commercial air carriers are taking it in the shorts already

I don't want them to get beat on. I hope to be able to afford flying somewhere again in my life time. If you're talking about dickholes like Ken Lay buzzing around in their private jets, well, then yeah, let's skin them alive!

[rfkrfk]

11. private aviation pays the usual taxes, airlines pay next to nothing

I could look up the numbers, if anyone is interested.

I want tax justice.
I want the airlines to pay, as much fuel
tax as the guy who pushes a lawnmower
for a living.

Mow a lawn, you pay.
Fly across the ocean {commercial airline}, you don't pay.

[TheFarseer]

6. I hope it's a real solution

and not a giveaway even if the giveaway is targeted towards working class/middle class people. Stop the dumbing down of America with a well thought out, long term solution, please!

[NVMojo]

8. Actual story on Ried's event: Reid announces plans to lower gas prices

LAS VEGAS (AP) - Senate minority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., challenged congressional Republicans on Wednesday to hold hearings to investigate rising fuel costs, saying oil companies are reaping large profits while raising prices at the pump.

"The money is going to these big oil companies, and we want to know why they're making the money they are and we want to see their books," Reid said at a news conference to promote energy legislation by Democrats.

Reid spoke from a casino parking ramp in downtown Las Vegas, where gas prices are hovering under $3 a gallon. The Energy Department said Tuesday that the average retail price of gasoline in the U.S. fell by 8 cents last week to $2.85 per gallon.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2005/oct/12/101210081.html

[CountAllVotes]

9. what about the quality of the gasoline being sold!

Has anyone else noticed this!? I realized my Honda is getting 20 miles per gallon! It used to get about 25 mpg! I called up the Honda dealer and they said they are getting calls all day about this and that ever since the hurricane hit, the miles per gallon have dropped on ALL cars!

I asked if I can do anything about this and they said they didn't know of anything that could be done. They figure that they have done something to the gasoline being sold and it doesn't give you the mileage it used to provide. I wonder :wtf: they did to the gasoline? I live in California for what that is worth.

I am really pissed about this! I am driving a 4-cylinder car that is supposed to be fuel efficient and this is what I get - not only gouged at the pump but what is going into the car itself is apparently either very poor grade gasoline or who the hell knows what it is! :grr: :grr: :grr:

Chew on that piece of info Reid! These god damned people make me so fucking sick! :puke:

They are gouging and stealing from the American people. Doesn't anyone but myself see this!?

:grr:

:kick:

[gulfcoastliberal]

10. Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant - for fuel injectors, lubes cylinder heads

The guys ar Autozone recommended this stuff. It's not very expensive and I have noticed an increase in mileage. Look for it at your auto parts store. The 1 quart bottle costs around $7 and treats 100 gallons. I'm happy with it.

http://www.autobarn.net/luc10003.html

[LostinVA]

17. You can get stuff for diesel, too

Although Premium Diesel doesn't really need it, it helps mpg.

[CountAllVotes]

21. thanks for the tip re: Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant

Yes, and as for those other that have kindly replied to my outrage, I too believe it is ethanol. I was driving through South Dakota ---> Wyoming about 10 years ago and noticed that much of the gasoline they were selling had ethanol in it, but this FACT had to be posted on the pump. It also tended to sell for less money. I avoided filling up at these places as I'd heard that the cars today (at the time I had a 1985 Civic hatchback) do not run well on this blend and that yes, as indicated by the other posters here, it damages the engine on the car.

I'll look for some of this stuff. My plan is to run the tank all the way down and fill it up with gas again. By the time this happens, I can only hope that the quality of what is being sold here in California is better. Today I plan to make a few calls btw. I used to work for the Dept. of Energy and it is illegal to sell fuel with ethanol in it without posting it on the pump (so see, I did learn a few things in that crap job I had 20+ years ago!).

:kick:

[gulfcoastliberal]

22. No problem! The Lucas stuff is really good - the guy who told me about it

races cars in his free time and said he puts it in all his cars. It definitely should help with low quality gas. I appreciated his advice since there are so many gas additive brands - this stuff has no solvents, etc that would add to the deleterious effects of ethanol blends. I always fill up at Citgo using 87 octane and put about 5 ounces per tank in (my gas tank only holds about 14 gallons). My city driving mileage has gone from about 220 miles between fill ups to around 280 (and by fill up I mean about 10-11 gallons. Highway mileage is even better, of course. Over 400 miles. But I drive like a granny, open the windows to avoid using AC, shut off the engine at longer red lights, get the car to upshit at or under 2000 rpms. It's really made a big difference.

[CountAllVotes]

23. no Citgo here unfortunately

Just the usual shills - Chevron, Union 76, "Patriotic Gasoline :wtf:" and BP sold under a generic name plus Costco (what do they sell - does anyone know?).

It truly makes me sick. I must make some calls today to find out if anyone is doing anything about this illegal practice!

Thanks again for the info.! :D

:kick:

[ekelly]

12. Same here!

Actually, about a month ago I started noticing that the gas in my tank was getting used up MUCH faster than usual (with no change in driving habits).

It has gotten even worse over the past week.
I have been thinking that we are being sold some crappy gasoline.
Lower quality and higher prices.....hmmmmm......

Anyone else?

[Califooyah Operative]

13. yea,

i'm in california, our honda doesn't get the gas mileage it used to either, it's rediculous how much it costs now to fill it up,never thuoght about quality of gas though, hmm, interesting.

[sandnsea]

14. Here in Oregon too

If we get cheap gas, we get worse gas mileage. I had always heard we got our gas from CA, but someone said they thought it was WA. I don't know, but we're having the gas mileage problem too.

[durablend]

15. Gas companies doping supplies with extra ethanol?

That'd definitely increase the supply of gasoline and depending on the concentration would have a definite negative impact on fuel mileage (which is an added bonus--price at the pump stays the same while you're actually paying MORE!).

We can even go one step further--too much alcohol will start eating fuel system/engine parts (seals, rubber things, etc.), so you either have to pay to have the car fixed (more $$$ into the economy) or (whodathunkit?) BUY A NEW CAR (even MORE $$$$$$ into the economy!).

So much for those people who say * isn't trying to fix the economy!!!! :sarcasm:

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

16. Yeah..he's fixing "IT" alright

:sarcasm:

Melonhawg

[rinsd]

24. The hurricane has nothing to do with CA gas....

...CA makes its own special blend with its own refineries so the hurricane should not have affected the gas.

My Honda (low level Civic from 1999, 100,000+ miles+) still gets about 30 to 32 MPG. How old is your car? It may be time for a tune-up.

[truthisfreedom]

18. Reid will relieve gas pain?

i hope so.

[DrZeeLit]

19. My eyes are getting bad... I thought it said Reid will reveal gas pain.

Oi the pain.
He doesn't know from the pain.
The pain of the pump.
The pain of the wallet.
The pain in the neck of this gas pain.
Oi.

So now The Plan, eh?
Great. Give us The Plan.
We can handle it.
Oi, the pain.
The pain of The Plan.
The pain of No Plan.
Oi.
What a pain!

[yurbud]

20. biofuels can be used NOW

biodiesel can run in existing diesel engines,

and E85 (85% gasoline, 15% alcohol) can run in existing gas engines.

This would be a big boost to the Midwest, and if Dems jumped on this, they could win the rural South too, anyplace they have a crop surplus, which is everywhere in the US.