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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:44 AM Original message |
Experts debate War; Clark, Eagleburger, and Albright spar over Iraq |
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purduejake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. I like Clark... |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 03:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Clark needs to talk to Carl Levin. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 05:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. "It is their problem and our patience is not infinite." |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Gen. Wesley Clark, that is ! |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 06:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Did you see the thing about Levin, the other day? |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. The vast majority wanted us out 2.5 years ago. |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Ummm-you're preaching to the choir, here. |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. Re: Levin. Clark had comments along these lines back during the summer |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. The Iraqis need to start giving a 100% |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Thanks for the clue as I hunt for this segment!! I tape chronologically |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. Self-delete |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Time Line vs Foreswearing--No Permanent Bases |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
86. Well said-I can add little. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. Levin and Clark ARE Talking & They Are Both Proceeding Accordingly |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. Thanks-That's comforting. |
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Boo Boo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. It's not that he doesn't want to establish a timeline, it's that he |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. so, negotiate with the Baathists already |
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Boo Boo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Obviously, Bush doesn't do negotiations. |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
70. Re: negotiating.....Article by Jim Lobe about Rice...seems to say that |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 08:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
76. I never get over the fact |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
97. Perhaps... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. YES YES YES. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Clark wants an Exit Strategy.... |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. how does Clark know that OBL is alive? n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Because OBL is alive until otherwise shown......duh! |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. because until he is laid out on a slab, he is alive. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. Come on Wes! Why not a time line?? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. A timeline is not a magic bullet..... |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. So, when the Shrub announces a timeline |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. "constitution" is evidence bush's efforts are paying off??? WTF??? |
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lateo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. It figures Albright and Eagleburger... |
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mia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. Changing ideologies and minds |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. i've always said it, |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Yeah..... |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. no wait, |
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ICantBelieve (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Infallibility?? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. I don't think that... |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. You don't introduce new "ideologies" behind the barrel of a gun..." |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
12. Enablers all.... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. General Clark chose sides long ago..... |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Photo-op. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. For a DUer |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Wow..... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. Clark was one of the first to testify to Congress against war (2002) |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Clark's testimony was very sensible. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. YUK....how could you even use a source like Limbaugh for anything |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Look again. The site is a slam on the Oxycontin King. |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Was the quote correct? Was he advocating killing |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. "Was he advocating.... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. I hope that quote is incorrect if not he's one and the same with *. |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
13. please... |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Exactly: |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Righto! and I would add...... |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Put the the heat on THEM |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Like you're stating..... |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Even better |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Vitenam wasn't winnable. There is no "realistic" or "effective" policy |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I agree with Wes' |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Agreed that we lost when we invaded..... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. "We lost the moment we sent troops in there." - but Wes opposed THAT |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Then there's this: |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. And where is THIS wrong? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Hunger and poverty and polarization of wealth has INCREASED! |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 06:52 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Duh! |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. American foreign policy under Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, don't have the time and not interested. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
72. Clark has too much faith in institutions, |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. I think Clark has too much faith in Republican-style trickle down |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You continue to define Clark in your terms, not his. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 06:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. er...ummmm excuse me, excuse me please |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. I'm having a tough time deciphering an argument in this post. |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #84 |
98. like clockwork... |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
99. like clockwork... |
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Phoebe_in_Sydney (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #79 |
106. Clark opposes trickle down economics |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 02:23 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I'm not saying that he endorses trickle down economics in the domestic |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Exactly. What happend to the american values of anti-colonialism, |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. never actually existed |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Check out this: |
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LatinoSocialist (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Interesting.. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Well, you might be interested in this then..... |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. Read the last two paragraphs of the infamous Chapter 6. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. He defines the New American Empire as a purely military empire |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Once again, your words not his. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 06:47 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Anyone with time and interest can read Clark's book. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 07:30 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Now you resort to a total distortion of the truth? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 08:12 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Cute headline. Your post doesn't back it up. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. And now you totally distort what I wrote. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Sound and fury signifying nothing. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Other than a continuous assault on Clark, what is your purpose? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. My purpose: trying show people that the New Deal principles apply to FP |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. And more out of context and distortion BS. |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Interpretation |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. And here's the link so that people can read and make own judgment: |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Perhaps this would be the more appropriate link.... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. That's the entire text of Chapter 6. It's an excellent start. |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. No, actually, it is not. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. From the website: |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Actually, I did compare them this morning |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Everything in that article is in the book, right? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. OK, dude (or dudette) :) |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Which line is not in the book? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Oh, |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. "quotes" and "paraphrased" |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. Of course.....but we know that....doh! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. this is interesting.... |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. See this thread...Clark on Geraldo recently.....shift... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I will be paying close attention to this.... |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
34. L. Eagleburger is on the board of directors of Halliburton. |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. he's not going to apologize for the policy |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. that's all I needed to hear General |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. Sounds like a DLC shop talk!!!....Osama?, Personally trained by Poppy |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
73. You, on the other hand get expelled |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
66. An aside.... |
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Cults4Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
75. Bull Shit! All of this is shit until impeachment proceedings start. |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
77. Great words |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
108. Two criminal thugs Albright and Eagleburger |
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callady (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. To substantiate your claims |
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Field Of Dreams (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
114. Will this replay on C-SPAN? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. As far as I can tell... |
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