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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:19 PM
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Washington Post article "Let the (Plame) Leak go"
What a distorted article - someone was breaching national security you idiot

what he said: In the Plame case, it might technically be one, but it was not the intent of anyone to out a CIA agent and have her assassinated (which happened once) but to assassinate the character of her husband. This is an entirely different thing. She got hit by a ricochet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101202002.html
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:21 PM
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1. Bullshit! The WaPo is bullshit!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:22 PM
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2. SO they've given up on innocence

and now need to make it an uncrime.

Or is that a gimme ?
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:22 PM
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3. The country has gone insane.
The right thing, decency, honor and responsibility are so pre-September 11th!

:sarcasm:
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:23 PM
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4. Read this: Why it matters......
Why This Matters


But there is something that has been bugging me, and I have to get it off my chest. I have been thinking about this all day long, ever since someone made a stray remark about this investigation that just set my teeth on edge. Thought I would share my thoughts with everyone else in the Traitorgate obsessed world.

Imagine that one day you wake up to the incessent ping of your beeper. It is still dark outside your window, and you slide out of bed, pad quietly down the hallway and try not to wake up the wife and kids, as you slip into your home office and place a call on a secure phone. You are told that your cover has been blown, that your family may be at risk. You have to make instant decisions for your own safety, that of your family, and of every asset you have in the field - and to do that, you have to prioritize which assets are more valuable and which you can afford to lose, if necessary. You have to decide then and there which of the people you cultivated, the ones you promised safety in exchange for information and cooperation, which of them may have to die because you may not have time to save them all.

Why has your cover been blown? Because you work as a CIA colleague of the wife of a man who dared to question the veracity of the President of the United States on a matter of national security, a matter of an exaggerated claim that was inserted in his State of the Union address to bolster his case for war in Iraq. And the President's cronies and hatchet men decided to out this man's wife for political payback, as a lesson to anyone else who would dare to question their decisions and as a means to staunch the bleeding from this initial salvo of criticism. Damn the consequences.

No consideration for all the lives interconnected in this network of agents and field assets, or the years it took to cultivate them. No thought of the impact that this betrayal by highly placed governmental officials would have down the line -- how hard it would make it to recruit human intelligence assets in the field at the very time that we need them most to gather information inside the terrorist networks that threaten us more and more each day.

No concern for the years of set up it took for Brewster-Jennings and Company, the cover company set up by the CIA that both you and this man's wife used, to get up and running. The fact that you and she worked along with a number of other highly trained CIA officers around the world -- trained in tracking down the weapons used by terrorists and thugs and the very people that threaten our nation's safety every single day wasn't important to them. Nor was the loss of the millions of taxpayer dollars it took to set this up and maintain it as viable cover in a number of countries worldwide.

Seemingly, no thought of the loss of ongoing investigations. If there was any consideration or calculation, a discounting of the loss of human intel assets dealing with WMD issues at a time of war, with terrorists who would like nothing more than to get their hands on the very chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and materials that you have risked your life to keep out of their hands.

The next time someone opens their yap and says to me that this case doesn't matter. That everyone does it. That it was just politics. That this is how things are done in Washington. That the President is going to pardon them anyway. That they'll find a way to weasel out of it. That she wasn't really under cover anyway. That they didn't know she was a NOC when they outed her CIA status. Or whatever other talking head pundit crap comes out of the pipeline on the next talking points bilge memo...well, it just doesn't matter.

Fitzgerald is going to do is job, and all the spin in the world is not going to stop him. What does matter is that everyone -- on the right and on the left -- understand what it means to out a CIA operative. And that it never, ever happens again as a sanctioned means for political revenge.

Look at the picture. Just look at it for a moment. Every star on that wall represents a CIA officer lost in the line of duty. Every single star. Below those stars is a book of names that records the officer and the loss. Some of the names attached to those stars cannot be revealed publicly, because the operation in which they lost their life was either so secret that it can never, ever be revealed, or because those agents have other friends and assets still in the field who would be jeopardized by their simple name being printed on a piece of paper inside the walls of Langley. In a few cases, the families of these agents are not told how the death of their loved one occurred, because the safety of others and of other agents is paramount, even to the satisfaction of a grieving widow and her children.



How dare anyone say that this case does not matter. You tell that to the family of anyone who has a star on that wall. Or to anyone who has ever had the honor of knowing and working with or living with any law enforcement hero who walks out their front door every day, knowing that it could be the last time they ever see their family. Knowing that a deep cover assignment risks not only their own life, but sometimes the lives of everyone close to them.

These officers do not serve this nation for glory. They do not seek fame, or fortune, or even accolade. Officers who serve on the line -- be they CIA, or special forces ops, or undercover local narcotics cops in your town -- these people serve because they must. Because someone has to keep the bogeyman at bay. They risk their lives so the rest of us can kiss our children goodnight, crawl into our comfortable beds, turn out the light, and feel safe. They put their body in front of all of ours as our last shield against the darkness.

The next time someone says to you, "What's the big deal?" you tell them. What was done to Ambassador Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie and their twins is despicable, and goes much further than political payback ever should. It crossed way over a line. They will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives, just in case. But it did not just touch their lives. It touched the life of every CIA agent working under Brewster cover, every employee of a Brewster company in ever country in which they maintained an office. And every single person with whom those people ever met, because all of them would be considered national security risks in their own nations for meeting with a potential CIA agent.

You see, it wasn't just payback. Take a long, hard look at that wall of stars. None of us will know how many were added because of this. But if Patrick Fitzgerald can ascertain who was responsible, then each and every person should be held to account. And I am not the only person who thinks so.

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." President George H. W. Bush, on the 26th of April, 1999, at the dedication ceremony of the George Bush Center for Intelligence.

Too bad his son doesn't seem to have listened to the old man.

posted by ReddHedd @ 8:57 PM

From firedoglake.blogspot.com/ 10-12-2005

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:26 PM
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7. yes, we are trying to deter terrorism yet our government is undermining it
No consideration for all the lives interconnected in this network of agents and field assets, or the years it took to cultivate them.

Obviously Richard Cohen has no idea how intelligence works and doesn't seem to care. The Editor of the WP should not have allowed him to publish - it is so ridiculous!!
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:28 PM
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8. Here's another reply that blows Cohen away........
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 03:29 PM by Jack from Charlotte
Hello Richard.

Should I call you Dick -- or do you prefer "connected beltway hack with no understanding of the point of prosecuting people who break the law?"

Read your column in today's Washington Post. Thought I would drop you a line to ask if you have upped your medications or if you were drunk at your deadline time or something? Do you know any real prosecutors -- or only the political wannabes that you meet at DC social functions?

If you don't know any actual prosecuting attorneys, let me help you out. For people who uphold the law as their vocation -- and there are an awful lot of them in this country who take their jobs very seriously -- putting people in jail for breaking the law, and seeking justice, is their job.

Sure, they are mean to the jerks who break the law. (btw, these people are called criminals.) These criminals may be poor, uneducated and even mentally unstable -- and sometimes they are wealthy, highly educated and people you seem to want to continue to hang out with at cocktail parties.

Here's a clue: the laws apply to EVERYONE, across the board, whether they are rich and powerful or poor and powerless. (You might want to read up on what Martha Stewart has been doing for the last year or so. Might be illuminating on this point.)

This goes for ALL the jerks who break ALL the laws, not just the laws you happen to have thought were important at the time you turned in your column. And not just the jerks who are too poor or too ignorant or too mentally unstable to hire a really good defense attorney.

When I say all of them, I mean it -- even the ones who are bestest friends with Dick Cheney do not get a pass on abiding by the laws of this nation. And that goes double to the ones regarding national security matters during a time of war. You might want to peruse the text of the SF 312 and the Espionage Act, since you seem to need some assistance in researching this matter. Also, try phoning a friend or two who works for "the Company," and see what they think of politicizing intelligence gathering. I suggest Larry Johnson -- he's a really fun guy, and he thinks people who out CIA NOCs are neat. (Well, not really, but please call him anyway. It could be fun for the rest of us.)

By the way, punishment for breaking the law goes double for the political leaders of our nation, who have a fiduciary obligation to uphold the laws they are sworn to serve and to use their power wisely to benefit the whole of our country, and not just their political cronies and wealthy supporters. (Another personal note here: using political power to get even with someone just because he says you are wrong, in a way that puts his wife, his family and the families of everyone who works with his wife in jeopardy just for payback -- not so nice, and definitely deserving of the full prosecutorial treatment.)

Oh, and in case you were wondering how Judy Miller got caught up in all of this mess, we prosecutors like to call it "accessory" -- as in potentially prosecutable along with all the other folks involved if she was aiding and abetting the conspiracy to commit a crime. Poor Judy, carried water for people breaking the law and got caught. How dare a prosecutor want to see her treated like every other living, breathing citizen in this country?!? (Okay, I'm not really outraged, but I was trying to appear empathetic to you here. How am I doing?)

Perhaps you journalists (if I can be so bold as to count you among them) ought to reconsider being human shields for people who use you to commit odious crimes, and then leave you to rot in jail because they are too craven to accept responsibility for what they have done.

By Redhedd of Firedoglake.com
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:24 PM
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5. When there is no other defense, use whatever you have.
The 'pukes are gonna have to fit this into their American family values.

In the end, the only justifuckation is it's OK for your side to do anything, even destroy networks of human intelligence that are desparately needed.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:29 PM
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11. Cohen sounds desperate and whiny, just like his hero Bush.
Outing a CIA agent for revenge on her husband is not OK. It is a real crime committed by a real criminal with real consequences. The leaker proceeded to leak the Brewster/Jennings operation, destroying a huge and vitally important intelligence program, and probably costing the lives of numerous friends of America. Sorry Cohen, crap like your column is just pathetic and it's way too late.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:26 PM
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6. I saw this yesterday, and laughed my ass off
I suspect he diligently read the DAILY RNC fax, as did others, and took his marching orders seriously... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5048832&mesg_id=5048929
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:29 PM
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9. They may indict Matalin yet!
LOL
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:29 PM
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10. WHAAAAAAAT???!!!?? This guy needs our help....
Do you think we can help him? :evilgrin:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:30 PM
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12. locking
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