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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:03 PM
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U.S. envoy urges Venezuela to reconsider decision to expel American missio
U.S. envoy urges Venezuela to reconsider decision to expel American missionaries

By NATALIE OBIKO PEARSON
Associated Press Writer

October 14, 2005

The U.S. ambassador Friday dismissed allegations by President Hugo Chavez that an American missionary group had links to the CIA, urging the Venezuelan government to hold talks with the group before carrying out its decision to expel it.

William Brownfield offered to facilitate discussions between Venezuelan officials and the New Tribes Mission, though he acknowledged the South American country would have the final say on whether the group would be allowed to stay.

"What's most important is to think about the interests and the well-being of the indigenous communities here and what best represents their interests," Brownfield told reporters. "I am still hoping for direct dialogue between the mission and the government to resolve these differences."
(snip)

The Sanford, Fla.-based group denied any CIA links and said it would not remove its missionaries immediately, hoping to persuade Chavez to reconsider.
(snip/...)

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051014/APN/510141107&cachetime=3&template=dateline
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:09 PM
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1. "the interests and the well-being of the indigenous communities..
and what best represents their interests,"

Seems that Hugo Chavez already has that one well in hand, assuming I'm on the right track here.

<snip>

Venezuela's Chavez hands over 1.65 million acres to 15 indigenous communities

</snip>

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46349
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:11 PM
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2. Missionaries are killed every day.
What's all the fuss about?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:48 PM
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3. What are you saying?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 12:12 PM
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12. CIA can disappear, too.
:shrug:
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 05:51 PM
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4. Judi, if you have read the Chavez book where he's interviewed by Aleida
Guevarra, you know the story about Chavez, when he was in the army stationed out in the jungles, intervening to help an indigenous community that was being hunted and killed by white hunters.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:09 PM
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5. Now why are they so insistent on staying?
They ought to respect Hugo's wishes and leave.

I wouldn't even talk to these "New Tribes Mission" people,
whether they deny they are CIA or not.

Do they think anyone could tell just by talking to them anyway?
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 07:20 PM
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6. Leeches anyways.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:14 PM
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7. As Vice President Vincente Rangel said...
Earlier Friday, Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said the United States should not interfere with a decision to expel the missionaries.

"I don't see why the United States has to get involved in this issue," Rangel said. "It is a decision involving the sovereignty of Venezuela."


Why can't Tio Sam mind his own f*ck'n business? Wait, don't answer that, we all know why...


Rangel and Chavez after last years referendum
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 08:22 PM
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8. Is NTM a land-grab conspiracy?

The Ayoreo are one of around 18 different tribes living in Paraguay. The Ayoreo's home is in the Chaco, a huge region of dry scrub forest, rivers and swampland which encompasses the whole of the western half of Paraguay and extends into other countries.

How do they live? The Ayoreo live in the north-west of Paraguay and part of eastern Bolivia. There are different sub-groups of Ayoreo, including the Totobiegosode (whose name means 'people from the place of the wild pigs'). The Ayoreo are a nomadic, hunter-gatherer people, who once inhabited a vast area of scrub forest. Their first sustained contact with white people came in the 1940s and 1950s, when Mennonite farmers established colonies on their land. Subsequently missionaries attempted to contact and settle them. Although the Ayoreo resisted contact and largely rejected the missionaries, they did begin to come out of the forest; there is now only a small group of nomadic Totobiegosode living uncontacted in the forest. Most Ayoreo land is now owned by private landowners, who hire work-teams to clear the forest of valuable timber and then introduce cattle. Some is still owned by the Mennonites and another religious group, the US-based New Tribes Mission (NTM).

What problems do they face? During the 1970s and 1980s, the Ayoreo experienced intensive missionary activity, as the NTM pursued a policy of aggressive attempts to convert them. They would encourage groups of missionised Ayoreo to go into the forest to capture the uncontacted, nomadic Ayoreo, their traditional enemies, and bring them back to the NTM base. This resulted in violent clashes and several deaths as the Indians were exposed to diseases to which they had no immunity at the mission camp. The Ayoreo also suffer greatly from the theft of their land - although the Paraguayan constitution guarantees Indian land ownership, the Ayoreo's land has almost all been taken over by ranchers, forcing them out of their forest and making it very difficult for them to support themselves.

How does Survival help? During the 1970s and 1980s, Survival campaigned strongly for the NTM to abandon its dangerous attempts to contact and convert Ayoreo Indians; this activity has now largely stopped. But the Ayoreo are still vulnerable until their land rights are recognised. The contacted Ayoreo have submitted a legal claim to much of their territory on behalf of their relatives still in the forest, which Survival is supporting. Survival is moreover urging the Paraguayan government to comply with its own constitution and with international law by recognising Ayoreo land ownership rights.

http://www.survival-international.org/tribes.php?tribe_id=16&PHPSESSID=c9a0d159af5ae80b0c95449aa5637405



Venezuela's Chavez grants land titles to indigenous groups

By IAN JAMES | Associated Press
October 12, 2005

BARRANCO YOPAL, Venezuela - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened to kick some Christian U.S. missionaries out of the country Wednesday, as he presented property titles to indigenous groups who he said had been robbed of their ancient homelands.

Hundreds of people from various indigenous groups, some who had traveled days across dirt roads and rivers, gathered in this small village in southern Apure state for a ceremony recognizing their ownership of thousands of hectares of land.

"We are doing justice," said Chavez, dressed in military fatigues and a red beret. "We can now start to say that there is a homeland for the Indians."

Chavez said that he was also ordering the expulsion of a group of Christian missionaries working with indigenous groups, called the New Tribes Mission, accusing the Sanford, Florida-based religious organization of cultural imperialism. <snip>
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/33600.html






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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:14 PM
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9. these missionaries
don't work for Blackwater by any chance do they?
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:36 PM
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10. "the interests and the well-being of the indigenous communities"
oh suuuuure, like the US cares one whit for that. oh, and if the people in question were say, CUBANS or IRANIANS, do you suppose they'd have also jumped to intervene? not bloody likely. this is sooo transparent.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:53 PM
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11. It isn't the role of a US Ambassador to protect US missionaries
Missionaries are engaged in religious work, and an ambassador should not be endorsing their activities.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 01:04 PM
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13. The US Ambassador's job is to protect US missionaries
and he should do his job by advising them to leave. Endorsing or condoning the missionaries activities is not part of his job description, yet the religious white-wing fundy types in America may not agree.

:shrug:
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