Bush says U.S. "will not run" from Iraq (as it did from Vietnam)

[sabra]

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-10-15T195022Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-219576-1.xml

Bush says U.S. "will not run" from Iraq

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush vowed on Saturday that the United States "will not run" from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, as he welcomed voting on a new Iraqi constitution and called it step forward for democracy.

Speaking near the close of voting on a charter aimed at reshaping Iraq's political structure after Saddam Hussein, Bush also praised the draft charter, which is strongly supported by ethnic Shi'ites and Kurds but opposed by many Sunni Arabs.

"This constitution is the result of months of debate and compromise by representatives of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious communities," Bush said in his weekly radio address.

"These leaders came together to produce a document that protects fundamental freedoms and lays the foundation for a lasting democracy," he added.

[LynnTheDem]

1. Speaking of that "constitution", any limit on ROCK SIZE for stoning women?

BUSH'S PROGRESS; "Iraq Constitution"!

#1. bush will LIE AGAIN this week about his "PROGRESS" in Iraq;

MOST IRAQIS HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE CONSTITUTION THEY'RE TO VOTE ON.

Gee what "PROGRESS"!

It's expected to pass, because the VIOLENCE will keep Iraqis away from the voting booths.

Gee what "PROGRESS"!

Iraqis vote on 'invisible' constitution

Insurgency hampers distribution of crucial document as millions prepare to go to the polls this week...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article318225.ece

#2. 2000 Americans dead...for an IRANIAN-STYLE ISLAMIC STATE of repressed women in IRAQ;

"Unmaking Iraq, the Constitutional Process Gone Awry,"

The Iraqi constitution as written will push that country toward full-scale civil war, a report from a nonprofit organization warns. Melissa Block talks with Robert Malley, director of the International Crisis Group's Middle East program.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?l=1&id=3703

"It may well be more of a prelude to civil war than a step forward," Anthony H. Cordesman said in an analysis for the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Bush administration endorsed Iraq's proposed new constitution yesterday, but analysts warned that some provisions can be interpreted to undermine everything from the distribution of political power to a secular judiciary, from women's rights to fair distribution of oil revenue.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/24/AR2005082402217_pf.html

There are, however, significant doubts about the religious nature of the new constitution...

"It is written by Islamists for Islamists"

Zainab and her friend Zahra, 37, are both deeply apprehensive about the effect the constitution will have on women's rights. Since "liberation" by US-led forces they have seen the growth in the power of Muslim clerics and the diminishing power of choice.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article318609.ece

The Iraqi constitution's downside for women
http://www.juancole.com/2005/09/iraqi-constitutions-downside-for-women.html

Iraqi Women May Lose Basic Rights Under New Constitution
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0723-06.htm

Iraq's Draft Constitution Is Said to Deepen Divide...will likely trigger civil war...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601442.html

UN issues warning over Iraq constitution

There are fears that Iraq's draft Constitution, due to go a referendum next week, could trigger the break up of the country and even spark a bloody civil war.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1473209.htm
Americans Die for Sharia (ISLAMIC STATE) in Iraq

It's so Abdul the Iraqi can have six wives. It's so women can be forced to wear the abaya, alcohol can be banned, and sharia law – Muslim religious beliefs as interpreted by a council of mullahs and "grand ayatollahs" – can become the law of the land. As one of the Shi'ite clerics' representatives put it the other day:

"We don't want to see equality between men and women because according to Islamic law, men should have double of women. This is written in the Quran and according to God."
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4774

#3. Iraq "constitution"...A Lose-Lose Referendum;

Five days before Saturday's referendum on Iraq's proposed constitution, the U.S. foreign policy elite appears both anxious and gloomy, increasingly worried that win or lose, the process will bring Iraq one step closer to civil war and, with it, the possible destabilisation of the wider region.

"We've looked for the constitution to be a national pact, and the perception now is that it's not," Gen. George Casey, the commander of U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq, told lawmakers here last week. "Now this constitution has come out, and it didn't come out as a national compact that we thought it was going to be."

Makiya believes the combination of violence and the constitution threatens "the very idea and very possibility of an Iraq".

Barbara Bodine, a veteran diplomat and Middle East expert currently at Harvard University, whose appointment to a senior CPA post after the invasion was blocked by neo-conservatives in the Pentagon, echoed that view.

"The United States has 'Lebanonised' Iraq. It is ironic that a structure that worked so poorly for Lebanon is now the template for Iraq."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1012-03.htm

#4. LUCKY Iraqi women! STONING FOR ADULTERY coming soon!

La Repubblica: "Putting it in a nutshell, there will be no more stoning of adulterous women, is that it?"

Al-Yasari, cleric al Sistani's spokesman:
"Well, it depends. In the case of married women whom eye witnesses can accuse of betraying their husbands, the punishment can only be that. But in any event there will be very few exemplary sentences, and they will always be issued after a fair trial."

Welcome to "liberated" Iraq – that’s what our troops are dying for, and that’s what you’re paying for. It’s medievalism with a "democratic" face.

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/39110

STONING WOMEN! CIVIL WAR! VOTE for a "constitution" you've never read! That's PROGRESS if you're a bushbot idiot!

[farmboxer]

74. When it was Bush's time to fight, he ran!

Bush joined the National Guard to avoid Vietnam, then he went AWOL, became a deserter on the 31st day! What if our troops were to do what Bush did? Bush should say, "The middleclass/poor will not run", while the rich watch!

www.awolbush.com Very good sight with a lot of info!

[Greeby]

2. He knows a lot about running from Vietnam

Who hands him this stuff? :eyes:

[DemoTex]

12. How dare he even bring Viet Nam up? What gall.

The Chicken-hawk little deserter. Bu$h ran from his sinecure at the Texas Air National Guard, while some others of us stood and fought the fight in Viet Nam for him and his despicable ilk. He should never be allowed to forget that either.

[madrchsod]

18. my feelings also

see my post in the gd discussion of this topic.

[BikeWriter]

53. You got that right! Fuck that AWOL bastid!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

55. My sentiments exactly

:argh:

[speedoo]

75. You fuckin' got that right, DemoTex.

Fucking Coward is gonna burn in hell.

[Cha]

78. As in ..50, 000 aren't

enough dead for him..and just because bush ran from Vietnam back in the '70's is no reason for us to run from Iraq, now.

Who ever wrote that speech for *..surely appreciated the IRONY?!

bush can trot out all the so called clever little soundbytes he can about not leaving Iraq, but I think it's out of that asshole's hands. The bushits went in based on LIES that they catapulted OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ..but the fucking chickens are coming home to roost.

[CatWoman]

31. HAHAHA

beat me to it :D

[MADem]

42. Heheheh!!!!

Ah, the brutal irony!!!! They really are TONE DEAF, aren't they?

No, he won't cut and run, he'll head for the bar, buy a shot, and slowly stroll towards the door...trying not to stumble on his way out...

[PerceptionManagement]

46. We WILL cut and run from Iraq. It's not if, but when..

Someone on Air America said this idea of staying in Iraq is the beltway version of eat your vegetables.

Reality again fails Dear Leader. The US will cut and run from Iraq, it's just a matter of when the Repugs decide to stop hemorrhaging.

A clear majority of the people that have to fight Chimpy's war dont want to send anymore of their children. So, yes, you arrogant asshole of a pResident, we will run from Iraq.

[ninkasi]

48. Good post...

and welcome to DU.:hi:

[cliss]

68. Great post, Perception Management.

Welcome to the DU!:smoke:

I absolutely agree with you. I'm an accountant, and I can assure you we will stop because we will run out of money. We won't run out of willingness to keep going (Bush wants to keep going), but we will stop when other countries cut us off.

[tanyev]

3. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Let me guess. Georgie's history classes in college were all early in the morning. If he ever made it to class, he just sat there in a hungover haze.

[acmavm]

4. Well, he ought to know. He ran from Viet Nam himself. He should have

been activated after he went AWOL from the TANG. Anyone elses kid would have been. Anyone who's pappy wasn't in government or worth millions that is.

[amber dog democrat]

32. exactly. He should know about running away.

Iraq is his undoing. Classic folley.

[AzDar]

5. re: running from Vietnam, was he referring to the US, or HIMSELF?

CHICKENHAWK-IN-CHIEF!!!!!

[lebkuchen]

77. A lot of Vietnam vets don't consider the US' having run from Vietnam

in the first place. Many will be insulted by Bush's comment, especially since he was never in Vietnam.

[bullimiami]

6. what that dirty coward knows of vietnam is shouded in a drug and

alcohol induced haze. he ran and hid from the mere suggestion of it.

[MaineDem]

40. Well that describes a lot of us back then

:hippie:

But seriously, I know a lot of people who weren't able to run from Vietnam. They were almost all carried from there. Some are able to talk about it - others are names on the Wall.

Some are still there - - - somewhere.

What an odious piece of shit that miserable excuse for a human being is proving himself to be! This really pisses me off!

[fedupinBushcountry]

7. Now what is it

he ran from back in the 70's. What a fucking moron. :argh:

[Akoto]

8. The people are turning against you, George.

Even your own party isn't full of fervor for your rhetoric as it once was. Give the Iraqis their constitution and bring us home.

[tabasco]

9. I'm sure the war profiteering corporations will be happy.

Our military might not be so glad.

There is already a de facto draft. Stop-loss is keeping tens of thousands of soldiers in the military who want to get out NOW !

The IRR is being activated - it is the last source of manpower for the corrupt cabal before a DRAFT.

I have not been active since 1995 and must report in January.

A military revolt is not out of the question, as units return to combat on multiple tours. Morale is crumbling. It cannot go on forever.

The cowardly neocons know nothing of the military. They consider soldiers expendable tools of empire-building.

[ridgerunner]

22. Man that sucks

how are you still on IRR after 10 years?

[tabasco]

60. I got out under VSI.

It requires you to stay IRR as long as you are paid.

On edit: Go Steelers! Skin the Pussycats!

[ridgerunner]

70. ouch

I know several fellows that took early outs also, I didn't realize they made you stay on IRR for the entire time that you're getting payments. I reckon we'll be seeing a lot of folks called up this way pretty soon.

As far as the Steelers game tomorrow goes,we may be without Big Ben and Hines so it will be a tough game, but I'd rather that they sit out and not risk get hurt further. There are still plenty of games left in the season.

[ElectroPrincess]

24. I wish you the best tabasco ...

It's truly abhorrent to call up the IRR for an ongoing occupation of a sovereign country. It was just dumb luck that my discharge was dated two months before the run up to the original Desert Storm.

I hope you do not have to stay long. This is just wrong. :(

Best to you, EP

[tabasco]

61. Thank you !

Hey, at least I can tell the soldiers "I got drafted too!"

They can't accuse me of being a lifer.

[ninkasi]

49. I remembered that you have to report...

I worry for you, as well as the others over there. What this administration is doing is a crime. I really hope you stay safe, and come back healthy and whole.

[tabasco]

62. Thank you !

I will spread the truth wherever I go!

[cliss]

69. Tabasco, I hope you can get out of it.

I've got 3 teenage boys. The US military will not get their claws in any of them.

My oldest son is leaving for Sweden in about 1 month. He says he "refuses to die for oil profits". I'm heartbroken, but I know it's the best thing to do.

Maybe you could get hurt chopping wood, or maybe jumping on a trampoline?

[tabasco]

71. Cliss, I'm coming to live in your basement !

:) Only kidding. I'm not happy about it but I made the deal so I'll stick with it. Maybe I can do some good on the inside.

I'm really happy you are keeping your sons safe from this criminal cabal. I can hardly believe the country has fallen this far. :(

[MaineYooper]

10. ... and irony meters worldwide peg off their scales.

To quote Annie Savoy from Bull Durham:

The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness.

I think that we need a scale to measure irony, sort of like the Richter scale for seismic activities. We need a good unit of measure. Maybe a shrub? or a gop?

I'd put the speech today at 6 shrubs.

[Mokito]

14. Maybe a metric based measurement?

1 gop = 10 shrubs = 100 cheneys = 1000 roves = 10.000 ...

[fshrink]

11. The idiot should give himself the Purple Heart.

[wryter2000]

13. You know....

When we get this bozo out of office, the person who takes over is going to have to clean up a huge mess. Anyone rational will see that we have to 1) raise taxes (on the rich, one would hope) and 2) get us the hell out of Iraq. If that person is a Democrat, here we go again...

"Democrats raise taxes!"
"Democrats surrender wars we could have won!"

And don't expect anyone with an R after his/her name to be honest that taxes were raised on the rich and we couldn't have won the war.

Frankly, I'd like to see a moderate Republican President stuck with the mess and an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. (If there is such a thing as a moderate Republican these days.)

[cliss]

82. Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that.

I've been reading a web site hosted by real estate investor named Robert Kiyosaki. He warns that people should be ready for massive tax increases. "When that happens, be ready to move quickly". He advises people to move out of the U.S. at that point.

By the way, he doesn't have a lot of confidence in Bush and his cronies. He feels that it's just a matter of time.

Something to think about....http://www.richdad.com/ Look under "All Booms Bust".

[Straight Shooter]

15. The last thing that fool should be doing is comparing Iraq to Viet Nam.

Good grief. Now he's "fair game" for comparisons, even though the Repubs have been trying to avoid the Iraq/Nam parallels. Total fool.

[Enraged_Ape]

27. Let the games begin

This statement proves that Rove is occupied elsewhere. This dumbshit just basically labeled Iraq as a quagmire.

[arwalden]

16. President Lyndon W. Bush?

[madrchsod]

19. lyndon realized his mistake

and basically resigned. he knew just how unpopular the war was and he knew he would not be reelected. he did what was best. johnson was one of the most interesting political figures in the 20th century, a far cry from the little boy king.

[Mark E. Smith]

17. The Hero Of New Orleans Stands Tall

... at least until the cameras are turned off.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Holy Phwuck. Vietnam is an admitted quagmire, disaster, failure.

And he proposes to stay the course for Iraq, which he calls the same!

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. Republicans will run from Bush in 2006. You can take that to the bank.

[MH1]

41. And the good news for PA is...

Santorum has been so tightly in bed with * that it will never work for him.

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[xchrom]

23. more cowardly macho posing from the idiot king.

an islamist constitution is not now nor has it ever been a step in the ''right'' direction.

except in the mind on american repukes who hate women anyway -- so what do they care?

[MidwestTransplant]

25. Not run from Vientam like you and the rest of the Chickenhawks did

you mean?

[NYC Liberal]

26. That's right.....we won't run. We'll fly.

;)

[ElectroPrincess]

28. I was just a teenager, but many of my clearest memories and emotional

laden experiences were watching the nightly news clips. I will NOT EVER forget the closing broadcasts, especially the ones with helicopters extracting as many civilians as possible before "The North" reoccupied the entire Country.

It was horrific. We swore to each other, Never again! Please, let's not allow the War Machine and other Corporate Profiteers keep us in Iraq? Will another 58,000 of our youth be sent to their deaths on another LIE?

[NYC Liberal]

29. That's why we have to make sure we WIN in 2006 and retake Congress.

That way we can force them home by cutting off the funding. It's the only way to force B*sh to bring them home.

[BikeWriter]

54. 58,000 Brothers, Sisters, Moms, Dads, Sons and Daughters.

[tabasco]

73. I was 14 when the Vietnam war ended.

Remember the scorecards on the news every night?

Like a baseball scorecard. USA / Enemy / KIA / WIA

There were always LOTS more enemy casualties (bullshit military estimates), but there were always lots of US casualties and those numbers were true.

That's what I remember. The nightly scorecard supposedly showing how we were kicking ass, because only 100 of our guys got killed and we killed 1000 of the bad guys. Even back then I knew it was bullshit.

[kenny blankenship]

30. America did not run from Vietnam

America waged war there for 3 decades-the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. French troops fought there with our weaponry provided at no charge, and with US financial backing. They lost outright.
We went in ourselves and could not win.

We walked away from Vietnam. Although considering everything perhaps we should have run instead. We left after killing hundreds of thousands of people, probably more than one million and making famine-stalked refugees of roughly 4 million in S.E. Asia. We dropped a greater tonnage of bombs in the area of operations than in all of WWII --both the European and Pacific theaters combined. The war broke the strength and morale of our armed forces. Our country sacrificed over 58,000 American lives to this doomed cause and ruined its economy for many years The country endured conscription for a unpopular and unexplainable war, and over a million Americans eventually served directly in the war cause, forgoing their educational and civilian employment prospects. Their labor power was lost for the duration of their service and frequently beyond. The experience of fighting in a doomed war was crushing to the spirits of those trapped in the military--casualties from drug abuse, VD, suicide, and fragging ranked right alongside the worst weapons of the enemy towards the war's latter years.

We didn't run away from Vietnam, we lost our way there and stayed many years beyond the point where it was obvious that we had picked the wrong fight. The "ran from Vietnam" story is one the most pernicious and central of Rightwing myths. It bears the same relation to the rest of their ideology of revenge-fantasy, and serves the exact same function as the "we were stabbed in the back" myth about World War One served for the German rightwing in the 1920s and 30s.

[Old and In the Way]

50. Well stated.

If anything, you lowball the total deaths of SE Asians...probnably closer to 2MM lost their lives over period of the entire conflict.
The only winners were the stockholders in the war industry.

[ismnotwasm]

56. Thank you

I work nights and just woke up to this bullshit. I'm not very articulate. I hate being this angry first thing in what is my morning. How DARE he say "run away" He's now an official evil mis-begotten bastard motherfucker who is so out of touch, who is so out of time that my mind can't wrap around it anymore. Not that I ever really could, but to me this insults each and every sacrifice those men made over there. Maybe he should spend some time at the wall in DC and just stare at the names of all who "ran away" Maybe he should check up on how his budget cuts for the VA are affecting Vets. Maybe he should address how we denied the damage agent orange did to our vets, and quite probably their children. Maybe he should sit in a counseling session with those severely inflicted with PTSD and LISTEN for a while to what war does to some minds. Maybe he should have listened to his own goddam military who told him, from bitter experience that the Iraq war was ill conceived and ill advised. Maybe he should have heard the voices of millions marching all over the world shouting NO!
Maybe he should study the history of the Hmong people and how the US government used them and them left them for slaughter.
I just can't think of a bigger insult at this point

[Overseas]

57. EXACTLY ! WELL SAID !! n/t

[daleo]

79. By Bush's reasoning, the U.S. should have stayed another decade or two

Thus, perhaps 100,000 U.S. soldiers could have died instead of 58,000. And another few hundred thousand VietNamese could have died, as well as tens of thousands in nearby countries.

[mike_c]

33. dubya is uniquely qualified to comment about running from VN....

eom

[Enhancer]

34. The fact that they feel they have to point it out.

Makes you think, don't it?

[Lexingtonian]

35. they're getting to the very bottom of the rhetorical barrel

"we're not going to run away"
"but, but...we toppled an Evil Dictator"

This after $200+ billion expended, endless corruption and lies, 2.5 years of idiocy and torture allegations, ~120,000 Iraqis killed and maimed, 2000 American GIs killed and 15,000 maimed.

That Evil Dictator thang is not going to stand up too well- they've delayed out the trial endlessly and Chalabi has gotten Administration instructions to execute Hussein after the first bunch of, in Iraqi eyes relatively trivial, convictions. In Iraqi and historical eyes the Bush people are essentially going to legally murder the man on the thinnest of pretexts. As they had designed from the beginning- after all, offending their vanity was Hussein's capital offense that he's been convicted of in their minds for 15 years.

As for the withdrawal, the civil war is gradually being admitted to be inevitable in Washington and all the American military is doing is stalling it from full conflagration. And I had thought that "peacekeeping" with the U.S. military was anathema to Republicans- at least during the Yugoslav wars.

In the end, Bush will probably have Hussein's head on a platter- the head of a now 68-year old man in mild Parkinsonism-associated dementia who any reputable American court would simply confine to a retirement home for mildly neuro/psych diseased people. An extremely wretched prize (as such) for all the casualties and treasure and crime committed.

[truthisfreedom]

mr. president, sir do you intend to shirk your duties in this war the same

way as Vietnam, by simply not showing up for your medical examinations? or are you working on some other excuse? i mean really, georgie, you must have some kind of plan for getting out of this. we can all see from your body language that you just want OUT.

[Historic NY]

36. So what he is saying is.......

he has no value for human life, suffering or the cost of war. He would rather waste 58000 soldiers and untold civilians, to prove a principle. We didn't run from Vietnam, we left because in the end nothing we did would have saved Vietnam from the inevitable.

The only one that ran (AWOL) was Bush.

[Jose Diablo]

37. Nope Mr. Bu$h, in the end, we will just walk away, just like 'nam n/t

[northzax]

38. hey, king george!

we didn't "run" from Vietnam, we got kicked out of Vietnam.

[SillyGoose]

39. What would he know about Viet Nam?

He ran away from the NG. Putz.

[Barkley]

43. Red, White and Blue: These Colors Don't Run!

... the world!

[Mark E. Smith]

44. The Lads At Free Republic Won't Like That!

The Hero Of New Orleans referencing Vietnam as a symbol of military failure? How can that be?

After all, Vietnam was a great military success only undercut at the last possible minute by pot-smoking hippies who forced Gerald Ford to desert the freedom-loving people there.

Or so the tightie-rightie myth goes.

Freepies know this stuff because many of them have actually met people who fought there.

[ticapnews]

64. No, no, we lost Vietnam because the soldiers were wimps...

So says Ann Coulter.

[TexasLawyer]

45. Then let's NOT run...

just walk really, really, really FAST.

[alfredo]

47. I guess he must have stock in a body bag company.

[Miss Chybil]

51. Considering how unpopular the Viet Nam war was and is, I don't

think it's a very smart political move for Bush to be using it as a litmus test for his own folly. The majority of people wanted the US to get out of Nam and the majority of people want us to get out of Iraq. Of course, he's never been much of a political genius, has he? I wish someone would let him know, he works for us. Not the other way around.

[Orsino]

52. ..."As HE Did From Vietnam." n/t

[spooked]

58. This just PROVES that "letter" from "Al qaeda's #2 Leader" was a FAKE!!

So Bush & Co. are thinking a lot about Vietnam, huh?!

From the Letter:

"Things may develop faster than we imagine," Ayman al-Zawahri wrote in a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. "The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam--and how they ran and left their agents--is noteworthy. . . . We must be ready starting now." . . .

[robbedvoter]

59. This time he doesn't have to fake papers - runs differently

Talk about adding insult to injury!

[ticapnews]

63. Dear George:

You still owe us seven months and 25 days of service. Please report for duty no later than Friday, October 21, 2005 for immediate deployment to Tikrit.

Signed,

The Texas National Guard.

[Jacobin]

65. buh buh buh but what happened to:

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?!?!?!"

[Bigmack]

66. I guess 58,000 dead...

... isn't enough for the neocon chickenhawks. We should have pissed away more good lives in Vietnam, and we should continue to piss away good lives in Iraq.

There was a LTTE the other day in the local rag about how the left would abandon the military - just like in Vietnam, and lose the war for the US - just like in Vietnam.

They're starting to try to wiggle out of the blame for this clusterfuck.

The saddest thing in this whole sad adventure is that Dumbya might have already left office when the choppers come in to the roof of the Embassy in Baghdad to take the last of our people out.

[leesa]

67. You will be kicked out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, just

like Vietnam. We warned you before you started this insane project. You will also be kicked out of Afghanistan because that was also illegitimate and a disaster.

[ckramer]

72. Look!

[Neil Lisst]

76. If he ran from the National Guard and Vietnam ...

... Why wouldn't he run again?

I hate his macho talk. He's a coward and he always has been. Even when I disagree with them, I respect those who agree to serve in war. They believe in what they are doing, and they may be misguided or mistaken, but they are not cowards to their ideals.

I cannot respect these armchair soldiers who would never serve themselves or send their own.

My 9-19-05 political comic expresses my feelings about this issue.
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/neillisst/series.php?view=archive&chapter=2214

[mac56]

80. I'm eager to get the reaction of some Vietnam vet friends of mine

on this little bit of wisdom from AWOL Chimp.

[UTUSN]

81. Shrub Was the One Running from VN. The Official Dates '59-75 Don't Sound

much like "running".