9/11 Kin: Don't Leave Remains in Landfill

[NVMojo]

NEW YORK (AP) - The city and families of Sept. 11 victims should work together to find a way to honor the memories of those whose remains were never found at the World Trade Center and may have reached a landfill, a judge said Monday.

The families' lawsuit asks the city to find the remains of some 1,000 unidentified victims at the now-closed landfill in Staten Island and move them to a more dignified location.

It said the due process rights of the families had been violated by the city's maintenance of the site, which is scheduled to be converted into a public park.

more...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2005/oct/17/101709891.html

[GetTheRightVote]

1. This report is really sick, they deserved better treatment then this

from our country.

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[babylonsister]

2. Sorry, but some remains will never be found. nt

[pk_du]

3. Gotta agree - thousands of degrees heat = incineration

- at least for many/most : not sure what could be done with that fact but would be willing to consider ideas.

[petgoat]

4. What could be done with the fact

The site was cleaned up with such haste that the firemen rioted,
protesting that the "scoop and dump" operation was desecrating the
bodies of dead heroes.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/1102_APcopsff.html

You have to wonder what was the rush. In the process, and over the
protests of Fire Engineering Magazine the opportunity to study the
wreckage was lost. The magazine called the FEMA report on the
collapse "a half-baked farce". The steel was sent to India and China
for recycling before samples could be taken.

Since every piece was stamped with an identifocation number, it should
have been relatively easy to pull the pieces from the impact floors
out of the pile. But somehow the chance was lost. Though the NIST
study of the collapse claims that the steel reached temperatures high
enough to cause it to lose strength, the fact is they have not one
piece of core steel that shows heating above the relatively mild
temperature of 250 degrees C.

The poor quality of investigation is shameful, an insult to the dead
and to their families. Few family members are willing to speak out;
they took their average $1.8 million settlement payment, and they get
free medicine for their emotional problems. It's still an insult--not
just to the victims, not just to the families, but to America.

[shraby]

5. Isn't that becoming the modus operandi of this

administration? Witness Katrina deaths. I hate to think what they will do with the bodies in case of a bird flu pandemic. Put the bodies in a big pile and burn them, or bury them in a big pit. They are absolutely heartless s.o.b.'s.

[OKthatsIT]

12. The People can reopen 9/11 to find the truth

Let's just hope the CIA Leak really demolishes Bush's Admin and the voters get to the polls in a landslide.

[Javaman]

13. It was done in haste because...

They didn't want anyone to find evidence that they towers were brought down with explosives.

I will take that belief to my death.

colossal racist terrorist failure*.

[Tesha]

6. I'm always amazed at people's concern for corpses.

I'm always amazed at people's concern for corpses. (Well, American
corpses, anyway, especially *WHITE* American corpses.)

They're dead. Their worldly cares are over, and it doesn't matter one
whit to them how you treat them now. Time and effort to fish rotten
bits of Sam or George out of some stinking landfill, carefully
separating them from four-year-old discarded mackerel and pork
trimmings would now be just about the biggest imaginable waste
of time and effort.

It would be far better if we worried a little more about how and
why we *CREATE* so many non-American corpses worldwide, and less
about how those few American corpses were/are being treated.

Or maye we can design a giant flag-colored sieve and run the entire
contents of the landfill through it; maybe we'll find Jimmy Hoffa?

Tesha


(And before somebody says "You'd feel differently if you *KNEW*
one of the victims!", please know: I *DID* know one of the victims:
he was on AA11 that morning and, AFAIK, not one scrap of him was
ever identified.)

[Doremus]

8. I think a society that respects the dead ...

is more careful not to cause more deaths.

I think the two are symptomatic of the same problem.

Lack of respect for the dead = overall indifference to death and the causes thereof -- as long as it's OTHER people's deaths.

[grumpy old fart]

10. Yes, but at some point it just goes beyond reason to search for toenails..

We've already gone beyond the pale, and memorials etc amply demonstrate our grieving and care for the lost....

[Doremus]

11. I agree, but I defer to those with dead family members.

It's easy for bystanders to opine about it, but I don't think we should discount the opinions of those who live with it every day.

Their government has considered them nothing but an irritation to be silenced for more than 4 years. The least we can do is not pile on, IMO.

[Tesha]

14. Okay, let's put it in practical terms...

Okay, let's put it in practical terms:

How many billions of dollars are you willing to spend sifting
through that landfill for the rotted scraps of Uncle Paul or
Aunt Rita?

What Federal programs will you cut to fund that dig?

Or do you think the Feds will raise taxes to pay for it?

Seriously: how much are you willing to spend?

And might not more effort to recover Katrina's dead at least be
a better, more timely expenditure (as well as probably being
cheaper)?

Tesha

[daleo]

15. I agree, Katrina victims are more timely now.

We should call it Hurricane Bushina, though.

[Doremus]

16. I think in comparison to DoD budgets, piles of pork projects, et al,

that the cost for giving some respect to human remains is minimal. Indeed, the costs to our self-respect of not doing so are far greater.

This administration has repeatedly proven its disregard for humanity, both the living and dead (have we forgetten how they recently decided they had better things to do than continue the search for Katrina victims, letting family members do it instead?).

When we start balking at treating our dead with dignity because of the dollars involved, we're no better than the junta.

[Doremus]

17. By the way, I find your flippant references to the dead

(looking for toenails, rotted scraps of Uncle Paul, etc.) highly offensive.

[Tesha]

20. That's okay, I find your dodging of my question...

> By the way, I find your flippant references to the dead"
> (looking for toenails, rotted scraps of Uncle Paul, etc.)
> highly offensive.

That's okay, I find your dodging of my question ("Exactly how
much are you willing to pay?") entirely predictable.

Tesha

[petgoat]

18. Defer to the families

Survivors were paid an average of $1.5 million per 9/11 victim.

Some did not allow this bribe to silence them.

Here two widows rate the 9/11 Commission's answers to their questions:

http://justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php


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[saigon68]

19. they have no respect for Islamics corpses

they kill with no regard.

after all they are only "rag-heads" </sarcasm>

[grumpy old fart]

9. Absolutely agree. A waste of time and money. Care for the living.....

the dead have no more cares or worries. They are gone.

[Inland]

7. Now, why does the city have to pay to find, move remains?

Can't the survivors just hire somebody to go search the landfill for the indentifiable remains that may or may not exist?

It seems to me that the horror of a loved one being partially in a park rather than a cemetary can be alleviated by a memorial. After all, a cemetary is a park with memorials.