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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:07 PM
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NY Times: Miller Misled Paper About Role ("dramatic" e-mail to employees)
LAT/AP: Times: Miller Misled Paper About Role
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON -- The New York Times' Judith Miller belatedly gave prosecutors her notes of a key meeting in the CIA leak probe only after being shown White House records of it, and her boss declared Friday she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role.

In a dramatic e-mail, Executive Editor Bill Keller wrote Times' employees he wished he'd more carefully interviewed Miller and had "missed what should have been significant alarm bells" that she had been the recipient of leaked information about the CIA officer at the heart of the case.

"Judy seems to have misled (Times Washington bureau chief) Phil Taubman about the extent of her involvement," Keller wrote in what he described as a lessons-learned e-mail. "This alone should have been enough to make me probe deeper."

Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald "if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby....

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Meanwhile, two lawyers familiar with Fitzgerald's investigation told The Associated Press that Fitzgerald first learned from White House records that Miller had met as early as June 23, 2003, with Libby and discussed the CIA operative....


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/ats-ap_top14oct21,0,7985378.story
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:09 PM
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1. so, when will the nytimes give her the pink slip?
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:12 PM
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2. Beat me to it.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:12 PM by Demobrat
There is no way they can keep her on. It would be much too demoralizing for the real reporters.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:16 PM
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43. Frankly, I don't think they can keep Keller on, either
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 08:18 PM by rocknation
because Miller should have been fired once her WMD stories were declared bogus. Why was she allowed to stay on, Mr. Keller--did you think being responsible for stories that launched a phony war wasn't that big a deal? You got rid of that Blair guy when he punked you. Kellers whining about being the unwitting victim of bad subordinates, vengance-hungry critics, and having to investigate himself makes him sound more like President Potty Stop himself every day.

:headbang:
rocknation
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:18 PM
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51. I'm reading a book by a NY Times reporter who got fired
... for telling a story about poverty and slavery from the point of view of a boy who was actually a composite of four people. (The NYT then investigated and fact-checked his other stories to see whether there was any other made-up stuff in them, and they came up with a spelling error and one inconsequential numerical error. In other words, making stuff up was not a pattern. But he got fired anyway.)

And, of course, there was Jayson Blair. BUT AT LEAST HE DIDN'T HELP START A WAR.

If the Times has any desire to restore its reputation--assuming that's possible--it'll can her.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:13 PM
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4. Yeah. when is Sulzberger going to shit can Judy?
Or is the publisher part of the Bush propaganda machine as I have long suspected?
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:26 PM
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11. Sgt. 'Shultz'-berger ...


"I know nothing."

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Lucille Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:24 PM
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9. Maybe that's what Keller is preparing staff and readers for
Here's my theory:

Judy got a target letter, and the lawyers think she could be charged with obstruction and perjury and possibly conspiracy.

Now the NYT has to turn on a dime and fire the person who was, just days (if not hours) ago, a first amendment martyr.

How to do it? Keller writes a memo to the well-read poynter website, and the memo picked up by all the new-services.

Follow this up on Saturday with a news article, to be followed on Sunday by Ombud Calame's report.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:03 PM
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42. She's no first amendment martyr
She tried to hide behind it to protect a group of people who misled this nation into an unnecessary war.

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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:55 PM
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25. As a Human Resources Professional
I don't even think I would bother call the attorneys on this one.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:18 PM
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29. if they don't keller must go
maybe he should go anyway for sheer incompentence


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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:12 PM
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3. Why does the term "CYA" come to mind? n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:15 PM
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5. FIRE MILLER!
Time for NY-ers to start demonstrating outside the NYT ?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:28 PM
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14. Well, if they fire her...
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:31 PM by punpirate
... she'll portray herself as a martyr of the First Amendment, and play up book sales.

It would be much smarter of the Times to reassign her to obituaries, or the local police beat, neighborhood news reporter for the Bronx, something like that. But, get her out of Washington where she can continue to do damage--and impress on her that no one is fooled any more by her wholly credulous reporting of Bush lies--that the paper can't afford an openly propandistic reporter.

But, given the way the Times has handled this so far, they'll probably fire her.

On edit, it occurs to me that she might want them to fire her. She wants to stay in Washington, surely, and the Post probably doesn't want her--tainted goods--any bets that she's working for UPI or the Washington Times a year from now?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:05 PM
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26. Gotcha, "Obituate Miller!!!"
;) Excellent point. I like the way you think.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:09 PM
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27. Reassign her to say ............Greenland to cover the weather.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:01 PM
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50. Or Cancun n/t
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:56 PM
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40. It will be hard to sell books from prison much less sign them!
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 08:06 PM by Tight_rope
:shrug:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:58 PM
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41. Maybe she can join Karen Hughes and be a "Good Will Ambasador"
:sarcasm:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:40 PM
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48. I believe deep down the Times has no choice but to fire Judith Miller
and a few others. Come out with a clear cut apology to it's readers and a first class story how the Times were duped into a clever scheme to enhance George W. Bush's presidency.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:17 PM
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6. "she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role."
She lied like she did about everything else

JUDAS miller is a criminal.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:44 PM
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21. My thoughts exactly.
They knew she was a snake before all this came to light. She was their number one cobra, hissing at Americans' breakfast table as they read the NYT for the latest info on Iraq and WMD and should we go to war or shouldn't we.

Let me play a tune for the obtuse NYT:

:nopity:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:18 PM
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7. ANd what does lou dobbs have
to say about this..any egg on his face yet?
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:23 PM
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8. This definitely sounds like a "guess who we fired ?" email.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:24 PM
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10. I can't believe the NYT didn't realize
what a hack showboater Miller was years ago. She was a relentless cheerleader for this war, gloated about her access, and was given preferential treatment by the Bushies-- which her editors should have been suspicious of long before the latest revelations.
Miller is no honorable journalist, searching for the truth for Americans.
She's a publicity seeking tool of this evil regime and she deserves to be outed for her lying and disservice to our country.
She relentlessly flogged the WMD stories and whatever else the Bushies fed her.
Miller has blood on her hands. She lied. People died.
She should be back in jail for her complicity.
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:26 PM
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12. I wish all the awards ever given to miller were taken back and a big
apology given by all the organizations that ever supported her reporting.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:26 PM
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13. We have to get this from the LA TIMES? Wrong coast, dudes!
The NYT turned Judy loose to spread lies about WMDs because they were hurting over Jason Blair's false stories and needed some scoops and a Pulizter. And some members of the Board of Directors may have been influenced by Bush Administration promises of changes to the federal media ownership rules which would have allowed them to acquire more properties, particularly television stations in cities in which they already own newspapers so that they can pump funds into the money hungry mammoth that is the jewel in their corporate crown.

Bottom line, dont be fooled by these "Boy, were we fooled by Judy when she__" stories that are going to come leaking out of the NYT. They wont put their byline on them, because all of them will be fake, designed to cover their butts.

:nuke:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:31 PM
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15. Yeah, you were "misled".
And I'm the friggin' pope.

Either the NYT knew, or they're too fucking incompetent to find out. Fuck this bullshit "oh, our bad" apology. I've seen it before, and yet Miller still draws a check.

Fuck OFF, NYT. You have NO credibility anymore.

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chatterboy Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:33 PM
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16. From the story:
Miller thought the June meeting wasn't about Plame, because she was just back from Iraq and "was probably giving Libby an update about her experiences there."

Giving Libby an update. Mm-hmm.

http://chatterbyrondavis.blogspot.com
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:33 PM
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17. The Republican Blow Job
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:34 PM
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18. The second time the BIG BAD NYT has been played.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:35 PM by xultar
:shrug:

I'm just shocked. WHO THE FRACK is running that outfit?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:17 PM
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28. Bill Keller is a repuke. I can't remember what paper..
he worked for before the times. But I remember a piece by him where he was praising bush and ragging on Gore. He was bragging about how even his six year old daugher was chanting, "Gore the bore," during the 2000 election. I recall this because I sent him an email telling him, what a "good" father he was that he let his six year old daughter listen to Rush Limbaugh.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:28 PM
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31. Also a big headline on W "reagan's son" in a Sunday magazine
all gushing. When he was put in charge I knew NYT stopped pretending. remember, Frank Rich does "Entertainment"
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:42 PM
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19. Yeah Entanglement - a gruesome twosome catapulting the
propaganda. Ohhh if only they had known.:hurts:

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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:42 PM
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20. how come Lou Dobbs isn't coming to her defense?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:45 PM
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22. Generally it is assumed that Judy Miller was duped
bu Chalabi and that Sulzberger did not know this, as well as Keller.

How come?

I think they knew of it. I think that there is something deeper than this woman publishing false stories that would benifit Bush, Cheney and I think it is tied to the AIPAC investigations.

Why was she allowed to get away with these false stories, and then, actually supported in herm 1st ammendment martyrdom stance, which she promptly rescinded when it was obvious that Fitzgerald was and might even continuie her incarceration?

Eventhen, she lied, or witheld information until trapped by the records of her meetings with Libby as per the records of who entered into the offices of the White House on a given day, and was caught in that lie, forcing her to relinquish some "forgotten notes" re a meeting with Libby in June.

But nevermine--Sulzberger and Keller, were overjoyed when she returned to the offices of the NYT, and photos show them laughing and welcoming her.

Uh UH--Judy is an operative, imo. She is an operative that was publishing reports that were supportive of the PNAC agenda. I think her contacts go deeper than just a 'reporter" in the ME working for the NYT.

I also think that Sulzberger is in on the deal.

How else can anyone parse her false articles and yet still allow her to be on the payroll of the NYT?

She is an operative and I don't think it is an operative for Bush.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:54 PM
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39. Maybe Sultzberger can't get Robert Maxwell out of his mind.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:35 PM
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46. DING DING DING! Clark2008, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 08:47 PM by rocknation
I think that there is something deeper than this woman publishing false stories that would benefit Bush (and) Cheney, and I think it is tied to the AIPAC investigations...

How else can anyone parse her false articles and yet still allow her to be on the payroll of the NYT? She is an operative, and I don't think it is an operative for Bush.


A few months ago--hell, a few DAYS ago--I would have flipped you the :tinfoilhat: sign. But I can no longer get around the fact that it's the only explanation that makes sense: Either Miller is an undercover agent in her own right, or there's something even bigger going on. Remember how New Jersey Governor James McGreevey's boyfriend hotfooted it back home to Israel before launching his sexual harassment lawsuit? He was involved with AIPAC--AND he was rumored to be an undercover Mossad agent!

:headbang:
rocknation
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:50 PM
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23. The Times should fire Miller AND get rid of Sulzberger,Jr.
(If that's possible, since he is the publisher). The paper has gone down the tubes since Punch III took over.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:54 PM
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24. This email isn't enough to keep the staff from leaving.
The Times has lost all credibility, they will have to do a lot more to keep their professional staff from leaving. Nice job Judith, you killed the NYTimes. With a little help from her fascist friends. Is that blood on your hands Judith?
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:19 PM
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30. How does an executive editor let this fiasco happen?
If a paper is going to challenge the Justice Department and parade one of its reporters as a martyr to the First Amendment, only an idiot would accept everything she says at face value. If you are Miller's boss, the first thing you do is sit down with her and pick her brain, get all the details you can. Even without asking her who her source is, you'd certainly ask her for all relevant information concerning her role in the affair. Apparently, Keller and Sulzberger would have us believe that they backed her all the way on her word alone. That's just incredible. They're saying, in effect, "Trust us on this one, because we're too stupid to do our jobs."

All this article shows is that, even as the rats at the fishwrap of record begin turning on eachother, they're still not done selling lies.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:31 PM
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32. agreed. Also, if one is so dimwitted that he didn't see the
difference between what Judy did, and the protection of true whistle-blowers, then he has no business being an editor even at the One Stoplight Weekly News.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:32 PM
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33. Fire Keller, and help prosecute Judy. It's the only thing the Times can do
to begin to wash the blood on their hands.
i'm not confinced they'd give a shit if they didn't get caught fucking up so bad.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:41 PM
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34. NY Times Editor Admits Being Misled By Miller - 'Alarm Bells
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 07:40 PM by Jon8503
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The New York Times' Judith Miller belatedly gave prosecutors her notes of a key meeting in the CIA leak probe only after being shown White House records of it, and her boss declared Friday she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role.

In a dramatic e-mail, Executive Editor Bill Keller wrote Times' employees he wished he'd more carefully interviewed Miller and had "missed what should have been significant alarm bells" that she had been the recipient of leaked information about the CIA officer at the heart of the case.

"Judy seems to have misled (Times Washington bureau chief) Phil Taubman about the extent of her involvement," Keller wrote in what he described as a lessons-learned e-mail. "This alone should have been enough to make me probe deeper."

Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald "if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Miller's attorney, Bob Bennett, did not immediately return calls seeking her response to Keller.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051021/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_investigation;_ylt=Av9_IvgynjtvEK92vNzLEj2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:41 PM
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35. Resign Keller. That is, if you've got any intergrity left. Why are you
still working?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:44 PM
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38. Maybe he has one last assignment to complete....
Firing Millerwhore. Without doing any further damage to what is left of a once great newspaper.

But he certainly should resign, the stupid shithead.... allowing Millerwhore to run amok.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:42 PM
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36. F.ck the NYT...they should have fired that traitor long ago!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:43 PM
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37. He wants us to believe he's the dumbest man in the world.
I'm sitting here all the way at the bottom of the food chain, just a lowly news consumer with no insider connections, and even I could see for years that Miller was entangled.

If he missed the signs, it was intentional.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:24 PM
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44. Here's the original
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:26 PM
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45. Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!
Is there ANYONE with half a brain that buys this shit? Keller was misled? Should have probed deeper? What a frickin' load of hooey!

Bill Keller is now trying to act like "The Big Guy" Mr. Carlson at WKRP in Cincinnati. I wouldn't at all be surprisd if this isn't tied to the AIPAC scandal and that Miller is and has been a deep cover operative all along. I doubt that the NYT will ever fully recover from this episode as they literally have the blood of thousands on their hands along with BushCo.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:38 PM
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47. You sillies, it's CYA save face time at the Times
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 08:45 PM by DainBramaged
And since it's Friday night, no one will see how badly they fucked up this one.

Oh those slick editors at the NY Slimes, taking that spoon-fed palp from Rove, Inc. and helping the Corrupt Conservative Propagandists push their war and get the idiot back so they could rape the country. Silly rabbits, you all though the NY Slimes was still (maybe, we hope, it's possible) on our side.

However, Miller retrieved her notes and discovered they indicated that Libby had given her information about Plame at that meeting. Fitzgerald then arranged for her to return to the grand jury to testify about it, the lawyers said.

The evidence of that meeting has become important to the investigation because it indicates that Libby was passing information to reporters about Plame well before her husband, Joseph Wilson, went public with accusations that the Bush administration had twisted prewar intelligence on Iraq to exaggerate the threat it posed.


How silly of us, just a lost notepad, doh.:sarcasm:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-21-times-miller_x.htm


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 08:41 PM
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49. Geezus. Why on earth would they believe her, after her previous record
of lying collaboration with the Bush Administration? This is nothing more than an NYT ass-covering attempt - "ooooh, she didn't tell us the truth, it's not OUR responsibility!" They get lessons in this technique every day from the Bush Administration.

How low the NYT has fallen is more evident every day.

And she STILL hasn't been fired. I think she will be eventually, but only for NYT CYA, not because of any actual moral outrage by the editors or owners.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:33 AM
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61. Bingo. Exactly.
This white woman already was caught lying about the Iraq war. Isn't it odd that that black man Jason Blair was caught lying and it was a huge scandal and he was kicked out on his sorry black ass while Judy-doody gets one pass for lying about WMD and gets another pass for lying about her involvement in TREASON.

Fuck the NYT. That paper isn't even honest enough to be the paper of record for fish wrapping or ass wiping.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:24 PM
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52. She'll just get
a job at one of the select "think tanks" if they fire her.
After all, if AEI puts L*nne Chen*y in as a fellow specializing in culture and education, Judy must be good to go with her purloined Pulitzer. AEI can then just feed off of her as a draw speaker and occasional position paper writer.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:07 PM
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53. UK Guardian: Editor Says He Missed Miller 'Alarm Bells'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5361659,00.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - The New York Times' Judith Miller belatedly gave prosecutors her notes of a key meeting in the CIA leak probe only after being shown White House records of it, and her boss declared Friday she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role.

In a dramatic e-mail, Executive Editor Bill Keller wrote Times' employees he wished he'd more carefully interviewed Miller and had ``missed what should have been significant alarm bells'' that she had been the recipient of leaked information about the CIA officer at the heart of the case.

``Judy seems to have misled (Times Washington bureau chief) Phil Taubman about the extent of her involvement,'' Keller wrote in what he described as a lessons-learned e-mail. ``This alone should have been enough to make me probe deeper.''

Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald ``if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement'' with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby.



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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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Editor Says He Missed Miller 'Alarm Bells'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051022/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_investigation

WASHINGTON - The New York Times' Judith Miller belatedly gave prosecutors her notes of a key meeting in the CIA leak probe only after being shown White House records of it, and her boss declared Friday she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role.

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In a dramatic e-mail, Executive Editor Bill Keller wrote Times' employees he wished he'd more carefully interviewed Miller and had "missed what should have been significant alarm bells" that she had been the recipient of leaked information about the CIA officer at the heart of the case.

"Judy seems to have misled (Times Washington bureau chief) Phil Taubman about the extent of her involvement," Keller wrote in what he described as a lessons-learned e-mail. "This alone should have been enough to make me probe deeper."

Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald "if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

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They are coming for you next Keller!!!
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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54. Must
have been in a coma
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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55. The Bells The Bells Make them stop. Poor Quasimodo
Well one way or another Judy gets a head.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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56. NYT Editor lies to try and save his ass. nm
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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57. Hear the loud alarum bells,
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 11:42 PM by joemurphy
Brazen bells!
What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
In the startled ear of night
How they scream out their affright!
Too much horrified to speak,
They can only shriek, shriek,
Out of tune,
In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
Leaping higher, higher, higher,
With a desperate desire,
And a resolute endeavor
Now - now to sit, or never,
By the side of the pale - faced moon.
Oh, the bells, bells, bells!
What a tale their terror tells
Of Despair!
How they clang, and clash and roar!
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air!
Yet the ear, it fully knows,
By the twanging,
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows;
Yet the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling,
And the wrangling,
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells -
Of the bells -
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
In the clamor and the clanging of the bells!

The Bells, Edgar Allen Poe 1845
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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59. How apropos to hear from Poe. Hear the bells now Bill? nm
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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58. when the ole gray lady is even bailing out on mz. judy, can treason be far
behind???? did she really think her purty self was just going to fake her way through the aspens turning???? she gotta get up a week in advance to outfox Fitzmas ... eat shit and die judy and keller and the NYT
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:50 AM
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60. The bells are quite loud now though aren't they Keller. n.t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:43 AM
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62. This isn't the scandal.
If he had the courage, I'd like to see him prohibit all such cozying up to power. This story instead reads like a weak warning against getting caught.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:31 PM
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63. There are a couple of things I'd like to know about Judith Miller:
Did she know about the Bush Cartel plot to plant WMDs in Iraq for her to "find" (probably cooked up by the AIPAC/Franklin Rome group--Ledeen, Ghorbanifar, et al, who--my guess--weren't just forging the Niger docs)? Or was her certainty that she would find WMDs in Iraq a self-delusion (came to believe her own propaganda) that they played upon?

Is she the one who outed her old friend and colleague, the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly, to his bosses--which started the chain of events that led to his death four days after Plame was outed? Or was her email/tel being monitored by others (possibly someone connected with the Royal United Services Institute) who did so?

Was Miller privy to the "uncomfortable things" that Kelly "could say," that Tony Blair learned about on July 7, 2003, that may have triggered the Plame and Brewster-Jennings outings? (--the "uncomfortable things" possibly being that Kelly had found out about the plot to plant WMDs in Iraq, and/or had helped foil it.) How deeply in the loop was she?

Still wondering: Is she a ruthless operative of the neocon/Likud cabal, or something of a dupe?

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If I'm reading Libby's cryptographic paragraph to Miller correctly (and, really, who knows, at this point?), he is assuring her that, a) he is going to take the "fall" for Cheney, Rumsfeld and others (do time--"vacation," as she did, in jail), but b) that's okay because the cabal is still deeply rooted and will be continuing with its skulduggery to widen the ME war, and c) she can now "come back to work--and life" to help propagandize those stories (Iran nukes, biological threats, Iraq elections) (--presumably in some "journalistic" or "think tank" position they've arranged for her), and (maybe) d) her life has been saved by whatever deal Libby made with the other perps.

If (big IF) this is more or less what he meant (and meant it truly as a message to Miller), it would weigh against her being a dupe, although the jail time she did would suggest that, dupe or not, she got caught in the middle between some powerful forces (Cheney vs Rumsfeld? Bush Cartel backing Bush Jr. vs Cheney? White hat CIA vs. Sharon/Likud OSP?).

The Niger forgeries, the planting of the Niger allegation in Bush's SOTU speech, and a presumed effort to plant nukes in Iraq (to be "found" by Miller) comprise Part One of the WMD-planting theory of Treasongate. It was a plot to bait the CIA into a public position of no-nukes-in-Iraq, then discredit them forever (and also reap huge political benefits) when the planted nukes were "found." Part Two is that the plot was foiled, presumably with some participation by Plame/Brewster-Jennings, that David Kelly found out (or also helped foil it), and that the Blairites' discovery that Kelly knew about this plot was the reason for the precipitous, foolish, panicky way that the Bushites outed Plame--calling at least six reporters in one week in a desperate bid to get her outed quickly, and putting many top Bushites at great risk of treason charges--and then, after Kelly was found dead (under highly suspicious circumstances) and his office and computers were searched, they went on (four days later, on July 22) to out the entire CIA WMD non-proliferation project, 20 years in the making (Brewster-Jennings), compounding their risk of treason charges (an entirely unnecessary extra risk, if their object was merely to punish Joe Wilson for his article).

You have to ask: If the cabal knew that the Niger docs were forgeries, why did Cheney order up, or okay, a wild goose to Niger by the CIA to investigate the allegation? (Also, why the special effort to get that disprovable allegation into the SOTU speech, when it had been removed from a previous Bush speech because it was demonstrably bogus? And, why were they such crude forgeries--so easily exposed? Were they MEANT to be easily exposed, as bait to the CIA?)

You also have to ask: If everybody in the cabal knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq, why did they so elaborately set Miller up in Iraq to "find" WMDs (with a special "embed" contract signed by Rumsfeld), and prime the public to expect a "find"? After going to all this trouble, were they just sitting around HOPING she would find some, by chance?

The WMD-planting theory of Treasongate goes some way to explain these puzzles (and others): Treasongate is the coverup of a plot to deceive the world on Iraq WMDs by planting the evidence in Iraq to be "found" by Miller--a plot that went awry--got foiled, by the honest information-gatherers within our governments, or their agents/contacts--and, in the case of Kelly, friends--in other countries, some of whom may now be dead because of the Plame/BJ outings.

But the question still remains: Was Miller a dupe or an operative?

It does not help her case that her name is also connected to the Kelly story. Miller had cultivated Kelly as a WMD expert and had used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs" (about biowarfare). It was to Miller that Kelly wrote his last email, on the day he died, in which he was concerned about the "many dark actors playing games" (an email that was released by his family, not by Miller). Was she a friend (he seemed to think so), or one of the "dark actors" who were maneuvering against him (and possibly planning to kill him)?

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As for the NYT: It appears to me that they are maneuvering to maintain their power, in the current circumstances--that is, to be able to influence the installation of a new VP, who will be Diebolded into office in '08, to continue to expand the ME war. (The U.S. is already over the border into Syria--that started during Katrina--and I think we can expect some dramatic event or discovery, possibly cooked up by the more deeply rooted "aspen" conspirators, to justify a bigger invasion, and get the Bushites and the Blairites out of the hot seat, politically) (--say, a "find" of nuke material, in a border search, that can be tracked back to Iraq, to "justify" the Iraq war in retrospect, and move on to Syria/Iran?).

And they are jettisoning Miller (damaged goods)--with the excuse that she didn't tell them the truth--in order to regain some credibility in this fluid political landscape. (They want to be able to help pick and then promote that VP.) It almost makes you feel sorry for Miller (almost...). (--the way you might feel sorry for, say, Lee Oswald.)

Here's a way that the NYT can regain credibility (with me anyway). Do full disclosure, and then KEEP Miller on their front page as a sort of "house clown" or farcical columnist, as a direct conduit to whatever rightwing "think tank" is going to be paying her salary, so that we can all know what's going down with these "aspens," and what they have planned for us next. Maybe they should even pay her for it. And they could do it even if she goes back to the slammer. ("Letter from a DC jail: What are the fascists planning today?")

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Please note: Wilson has described Miller as "collateral damage" like his wife Valerie, of the Bushite efforts to crush dissent, and has said nothing that would point to Miller as an operative of a traitorous cabal, although one thing he has said points to Condi Rice (and thus, other Bushites) expecting his article. (This supports the WMD-planting theory of Treasongate: If the article was not a surprise to them, why the rush to out Plame and BJ in such a highly risky fashion?)
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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64. Times Editor Expresses Regrets Over Handling of Leak Case, Miller 'rebuts'
Times Editor Expresses Regrets Over Handling of Leak Case

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: October 22, 2005

Bill Keller, executive editor of The New York Times, told the newspaper's staff yesterday that he had several regrets over his handling of Judith Miller, the Times reporter who spent 85 days in jail for refusing to testify before a grand jury in the C.I.A. leak case.

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Ms. Miller said in an interview that Mr. Keller's statements were "seriously inaccurate." She also provided The Times with a copy of a memorandum she had sent to Mr. Keller in response.

"I certainly never meant to mislead Phil, nor did I mislead him," she wrote to Mr. Keller, referring to Mr. Taubman.

She wrote that as she had said in an account in The Times last Sunday, she had discussed Mr. Wilson and his wife with government officials, but "I was unaware that there was a deliberate, concerted disinformation campaign to discredit Wilson and that if there had been, I did not think I was a target of it."

She added, "As for your reference to my 'entanglement' with Mr. Libby, I had no personal, social, or other relationship with him except as a source."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/22/national/22paper.html?ei=5090&en=8c74c2bc9be2d54f&ex=1287633600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1130001243-qIrPa5D4L3Sum7w57LtsOg



Her mouth is moving again.


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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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65. Her mouth is moving again
therefore she is lying again.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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66. bwahahahaha....
"Her mouth is moving again." :rofl:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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67. Not lookin good for Judy brown eyes
The NYT can't stand another scandal. If she wants to turn this into a pissing contest I predict her next employer will be Faux news. After her prison term for contempt of court and perjury that is.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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68. Oh Judy Judy Judy!!! Your ACTIONS speak LOUDER than your
words honey!!!

You were the Go Girl for Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld!!! And your source Chalibi was a scum bucket who fed you and you knew he was a scumbucket!!!

Mr. Keller ... I bet you do REGRET Judy got caught!!! Your ACTIONS speak LOUDER than WORDS!!!

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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69. I have never known Aspens to turn with mere acquaintances
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 PM
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70. o yeah....washing his hands out like pontious pilote.
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