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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 02:18 PM
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Leak Case Renews Questions on War's Rationale
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/politics/23strategy.html?ei=5094&en=55c9a6d313b21ef5&hp=&ex=1130040000&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1130008451-beBx9LhNT48NJ66GSq7aXQ

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
and DOUGLAS JEHL

Published: October 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 - The legal and political stakes are of the highest order, but the investigation into the disclosure of a covert C.I.A. officer's identity is also just one skirmish in the continuing battle over the Bush administration's justification for the war in Iraq.

That fight has preoccupied the White House for more than three years, repeatedly threatening President Bush's credibility and political standing, and has now once again put the spotlight on Vice President Dick Cheney, who assumed a critical role in assembling and analyzing the evidence about Iraq's weapons programs.

The dispute over the rationale for the war has led to upheaval in the intelligence agencies, left Democrats divided about how aggressively to break with the White House over Iraq and exposed deep rifts within the administration and among Republicans. The combatants' intensity was underscored this week in a speech by Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff to Colin L. Powell while he was secretary of state.

Mr. Wilkerson complained of a "cabal" between Mr. Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that bypassed normal decision-making channels when it came to Iraq and other national security issues. He described "real dysfunctionality" in the administration's foreign policy team and said that Mr. Powell's aides had thrown out "whole reams of paper" from the intelligence dossier developed by Mr. Cheney's staff for use in Mr. Powell's presentation of the case against Iraq to the United Nations in early 2003...

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 02:22 PM
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1. recommended
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:06 PM
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2. Not so much Libby and Rove
as Bush and Cheney.
Not so much a leak as a criminal conspiracy to delude the nation and the world.
May the son of the New York doorman with the untidy office and the tidy mind, who likes cats, ravel the threads of this story down to the true source.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:45 PM
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3. here's some background on the buildup to war
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A39500-2003Aug9¬Found=true

excerpt:

The new information indicates a pattern in which President Bush, Vice President Cheney and their subordinates -- in public and behind the scenes -- made allegations depicting Iraq's nuclear weapons program as more active, more certain and more imminent in its threat than the data they had would support. On occasion administration advocates withheld evidence that did not conform to their views. The White House seldom corrected misstatements or acknowledged loss of confidence in information upon which it had previously relied:

• Bush and others often alleged that President Hussein held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, but did not disclose that the known work of the scientists was largely benign. Iraq's three top gas centrifuge experts, for example, ran a copper factory, an operation to extract graphite from oil and a mechanical engineering design center at Rashidiya.

• The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of October 2002 cited new construction at facilities once associated with Iraq's nuclear program, but analysts had no reliable information at the time about what was happening under the roofs. By February, a month before the war, U.S. government specialists on the ground in Iraq had seen for themselves that there were no forbidden activities at the sites.

• Gas centrifuge experts consulted by the U.S. government said repeatedly for more than a year that the aluminum tubes were not suitable or intended for uranium enrichment. By December 2002, the experts said new evidence had further undermined the government's assertion. The Bush administration portrayed the scientists as a minority and emphasized that the experts did not describe the centrifuge theory as impossible.

• In the weeks and months following Joe's Vienna briefing, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and others continued to describe the use of such tubes for rockets as an implausible hypothesis, even after U.S. analysts collected and photographed in Iraq a virtually identical tube marked with the logo of the Medusa's Italian manufacturer and the words, in English, "81mm rocket."

• The escalation of nuclear rhetoric a year ago, including the introduction of the term "mushroom cloud" into the debate, coincided with the formation of a White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, a task force assigned to "educate the public" about the threat from Hussein, as a participant put it.

...more...

and this priceless piece:

Bush has decided to overthrow Hussein
Posted on Wed, Feb. 13, 2002

WASHINGTON - President Bush has decided to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power and ordered the CIA, the Pentagon and other agencies to devise a combination of military, diplomatic and covert steps to achieve that goal, senior U.S. officials said Tuesday.

No military strike is imminent, but Bush has concluded that Saddam and his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs are such a threat to U.S. security that the Iraqi dictator must be removed, even if U.S. allies do not help, said the officials, who all spoke on condition of anonymity.

"This is not an argument about whether to get rid of Saddam Hussein. That debate is over. This is ... how you do it," a senior administration official said in an interview with Knight Ridder.

The president's decision has launched the United States on a course that will have major ramifications for the U.S. military, the Middle East's future political alignment, international oil flows and Bush's own war on terrorism. Russia and most of America's European allies have expressed alarm about the administration's escalating rhetoric on Iraq.

<snip>

Bush reportedly was enthusiastic, and although it could not be determined whether he gave final approval for the plan, the CIA has begun assigning officers to the task.

...more...
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:59 PM
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4. Its the war stupid! Dick's war.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 04:00 PM by fishnfla
Has anybody seen Cheney lately? Did anybody catch the reception Condi received trying to pretend down was up in Iraq, in front of Congress this past week?

This war brings whole new meaning to the term clusterfuck-built up on WMD lies, which then they tried to cover up how? By leaking to reporters? Sheer brilliance! These guys make Nixon look like Churchill

Hubris? Hegemony? Nope. Clusterfuck, with a capitol "C", as in Cheney.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:06 PM
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5. How is it they are just getting to this now?
We've been talking about this since the beginning.

:shrug:
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:34 PM
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6. "threatening President Bush's credibility and political standing"?
Whom are they kidding? What "credibility and political standing" has Chimpy McCoke-spoon ever had?
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:01 AM
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7. NYT:Leak Case Renews Questions on War's Rationale
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 02:49 AM by Tiggeroshii
Leak Case Renews Questions on War's Rationale

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON and DOUGLAS JEHL

Published: October 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 - The legal and political stakes are of the highest order, but the investigation into the disclosure of a covert C.I.A. officer's identity is also just one skirmish in the continuing battle over the Bush administration's justification for the war in Iraq.

That fight has preoccupied the White House for more than three years, repeatedly threatening President Bush's credibility and political standing, and has again put the spotlight on Vice President Dick Cheney, who assumed a critical role in assembling and analyzing the evidence about Iraq's weapons programs.

The dispute over the rationale for the war has led to upheaval in the intelligence agencies, left Democrats divided about how aggressively to break with the White House and exposed deep rifts in the administration and among Republicans.



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/politics/23strategy.ready.html?hp&ex=1130126400&en=8a12d8179eaf023f&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:01 AM
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8. W's culture of Corruption
and it continues.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:01 AM
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9. DAMN the Democrats ....
They need to SEPARATE their current policy thrusts from the vote on the IWA .... They have allowed it to become an albatross around their necks .... and it is hampering their ability to REPRESENT US ....

OK ! .... so you VOTED for the IWA ! .....

Now: We know the WH LIED LIED LIED ! .....

YOU were LIED to .....

Get out their and DEFEND US in this mess .... FACE your faults, explain WHY you voted for a war based on LIES, and get moving in the RIGHT DIRECTION ....

DO your fucking PENENCE, and get back to governing ....

STOP these assholes in the GOP, damn it ...
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:01 AM
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10. LOL Who is that in that picture of the ladies?
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 02:38 AM by Tiggeroshii
It's a funny pic! :rofl:
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:47 AM
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11. It's Randi Rhodes and Jennifer Pershall (sp?)
They were debating on c-span not too long ago. Randi cleaned her clock. Randi was sharing some hard truths with Jennifer, who didn't want to hear them, when this image was captured. Methinks Jennifer's a fitting symbol of the RW think tank -- please don't confuse her with facts. :eyes:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:39 PM
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12. LOL
good ol' randhi rhodes....
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