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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:34 PM
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Colleagues call for removal of New York Times journalist in CIA leak case
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1599200,00.html

The New York Times continued to implode under the weight of internal criticism yesterday as the public clamour for one its most prominent reporters, Judith Miller, to be removed from her job gained pace.
The row threatens to engulf one of the country's most venerated newspapers in a bitter dispute over its reporting of the Iraq war, its unquestioning defence of an allegedly rogue reporter and its editor's ability to assert his authority over his staff.

This weekend, the paper's readers' editor and a prominent columnist argued in print that Ms Miller's presence in the newsroom damaged the credibility of the paper. Their comments came after the paper's editor sent a memo to staff claiming that Ms Miller misled him about her involvement in a story over a CIA leak.

In a column headlined Woman of Mass Destruction, columnist Maureen Dowd argued: "Sorely in need of a tight editorial leash, was kept on no leash at all, and that has hurt this paper and its trust with readers. She more than earned her sobriquet Miss Run Amok."

The paper's public editor, who is the readers' representative, yesterday wrote that "the problems facing inside and outside the newsroom will make it difficult for her to return to the paper as a reporter".


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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:37 PM
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1. Judith Miller will then be hired by Faux
News where credibility is less of a problem.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:41 PM
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3. Funny, that's exactly my SO's prediction.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:09 PM
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38. I hadn't thought about JudyJudyJudy's future, but I think you called it.
Sometimes a prediction is so on-target that you just have to say, "Why didn't I think of that?" If not Fox, then surely somewhere else in Mordor.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:41 PM
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2. here's a link to the dowd piece.....
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:48 PM
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4. Thanks, bettyellen. That's the best Maureen I've ever seen.
And here's a link to the Public Editor's piece, "The Miller Mess"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/opinion/23publiceditor.html?hp
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:01 PM
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7. and thank you for this good stuff, swag...
i love how they dance around it saying people might get the impression that: "....The Times put a higher premium on protecting its reporters than on coming clean with its readers. If I had lanced the W.M.D. boil earlier, I suspect our critics - at least the honest ones - might have been less inclined to suspect that, THIS time, the paper was putting the defense of the reporter above the duty to its readers.""

and using the jason blair excuse- for being less careful? wtf is that?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:49 PM
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5. Cool! Times Select SUX!!!
I won't buy it on principle. Elitist pricks!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:12 PM
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23. "But investigative reporting is not stenography."
No kidding.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:28 AM
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35. "The Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp"?! Ouch! Touche!
A well-aimed Dowd touche at not only Judy Miller but the whole damn WH Steno Pool! :rofl:

Hekate
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:00 PM
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6. I gotta recommend this thread...
I'm hoping her 'less-ethically challenged' colleagues win this battle.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:09 PM
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8. Remember: Miller named HERSELF "Miss Run Amok"
Unforgivable arrogance. Fire the toad.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:15 PM
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9. They should assign her to covering soldiers' funerals. Exclusively.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:18 PM
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11. Brilliant idea.
:thumbsup:

NGU.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:46 PM
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16. Nope. She should attend autopsies at Dover and write the final reports.
Let her see firsthand what she has wrought with her lies as she sought glory and fame.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:35 PM
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19. Would you trust her to give an accurate accounting of even that?
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:36 PM by MUAD_DIB
Nope. Nothing to see here. We're winning the good fight!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:08 PM
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22. I'm saying she would be the Medical Examiner's assistant.
She could stand there and watch the autopsies and then write the report, which the M.E. would sign off on.

I wouldn't trust Judas Miller to give an accurate accounting of her name and birthdate or the color of her eyes. She's pathological.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:32 PM
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26. Very fitting
a great idea. She should also cover a few Iraqi funerals-- see what those are like.

If she wants a change of pace, she can do interviews at VA hospitals of soldiers returning blind, with no legs, etc...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:16 PM
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10. Juicy Miller should be fired.
nt
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:18 PM
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12. She will go wherever Jimmy/Jeff Gannon went
Where did he go anyway?
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:15 PM
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39. kkkarl rove's secret beachhouse on fire island?
why would judy go there...?

oh, right- fag hag.
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CalmMan Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:22 PM
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13. NY Times stinks
It's reverted to being THE establishment paper.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:35 PM
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14. Piling on Judy, are they? Now she IS a scapegoat. I think they should
fess up (full disclosure on war reporting, war ties and war profiteering), and keep her on, as an ear to the ground in all the scumbag foreign policy "think tanks" in New York and Washington DC, on the front page, with Sy Hersch hired on to write a parallel columun parsing everything she writes and warning us about what this fascist cabal has planned for us next.

Firing Judith Miller is not enough. As it is, I cannot believe a word printed in the NYT. They are not much better on other global corporate predator issues. They need to be come a real NEWSPAPER again.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:42 PM
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15. She should definitely be canned
And if the NYTimes was reading DU, they would have known that Miller was Bush's Media Whore a long time ago.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:05 PM
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17. They knew- and didn't care
They have plenty of others just like her who whore for Bush on their main pages. Adam Ngourney being one of them.

Bottom line is that they've lost a ton of credibility- to the point where people are deciding either not to take them seriously- or simply not to read them at all anymore.

Perfect time to put your editorial page on pay per view- LOL.

Management sure is driving that paper into the ground. Pretty soon, it'll be as bad as the Post (and that's saying a lot).
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:17 PM
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18. You are dead on.
Remember how Daniel Okrent, the last public editor, would email us all back about Judy Miller saying, in a Scotty Mclellanesque manner, "I won't be accountable for anything that didn't happen on my watch as public editor."

The New York Times waited until its soiled trousers were all the way down around its ankles (within the past few days) before it finally started to confess.

NYT is a badly failed news organization.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:37 PM
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20. Why did it fail?
It's got to be more than Judy Judy. The NY Times is (was) the pinnacle for newspaper reporters & their staff would be some of the most talented journalists in the country. So how could they be so easily duped? I think maybe if we can understand how the Times went wrong, we can understand how the rest of the media bought on to the Bush administration.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:46 PM
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43. Call their downfall a success of the right wing propaganda machine - by
that I mean, the right wing was so successful in creating right wing competition for their propaganda - Washington Times, New York Pos and right wing tv - that the NYT had to get on board. I think it was easy for them - they couldn't stand out as the liberal rag with the right wing having so many successes, they couldn't fight their right wing corporate subscribers, they had a lot of NYers who morphed to the right after 9-11, and they may have been influenced or bought out.

Reporting on those who die and those who are wounded would be an excellent.

I hope we find that we can call her a traitor legally.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:38 PM
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21. They probably already knew that. n/t
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:16 PM
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24. Judy Miller is an agent for the WH, pure and simple.
My new Neil Lisst comic comes online in 30 minutes, and I think you'll like it! It's all about Judy Miller and her schemes.

here ...
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:26 PM
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25. Keller Needs To Resign.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:34 PM
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27. Yup.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:40 PM
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41. You got that right!
The buck stops with him. He's the boss, and it's he who allowed his
friendship with Miller to cloud his judgement, or perhaps expose his
judgement as fundamentally faulty.

Wrong man, wrong job.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:10 AM
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28. If Miller goes, then the NYT should sack Jeff Gerth.
His journalistic malpractice was at least as bad as Miller's.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:18 AM
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29. And jody wilgoren too.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:34 AM
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30. When Miller gets indicted & convicted will her book $ go to Valerie Flame?
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 01:04 AM by The Judged
It ought to.

Will this woman bring the whole house down?

Obstruction?

Signed, sealed, and delivered?

Once obstruction is demonstrated, will the conspiracy charge be bolstered?

If the lot of Rove and Libby suffer the same fate, will making the case against Cheney be the cherry on the cake?

Is this about to become Dostoyevsky-like?

Crime and Punishment?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:04 AM
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31. First Amendment martyr now under fire from her own forces.."out for blood"
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 04:20 AM by tiptoe
The Media: Miller's Crossing By Jonathan Darman, Newsweek, Oct. 31, 2005 issue

Oct. 31, 2005 issue - Judith Miller wanted a restful weekend. Days after her newspaper published a blistering account of her role in the Valerie Plame leak case, The New York Times reporter went home to tony Sag Harbor, N.Y. On the agenda: walks on the beach and playing with her dog. But as she opened up an e-mail last Friday afternoon from Times editor Bill Keller to the paper's employees, all those plans went out the window. Miller, Keller wrote, had "misled" editors about her involvement in a "whispering campaign" against Ambassador Joe Wilson and had perhaps become inappropriately "entangled" with Dick Cheney's chief of staff. The memo, which Miller called "seriously inaccurate," caught her off guard. "I didn't know it was coming," she told NEWSWEEK.

Nearly three years after Jayson Blair, America's newspaper of record is once again in crisis. When Miller refused to answer special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's questions about the Plame case, the Times leapt to her defense, calling her a First Amendment martyr as she spent 85 days in jail. But then Miller cut a deal with Fitzgerald, and the paper went on to run a devastating account of her testimony that made her look less like a crusading journalist than an administration plant. Worse, Keller and Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr., an old friend of Miller's, admitted they knew little about her role in the story even as they were rallying behind her. Managing editor Jill Abramson, asked by her own reporters what she regretted about the paper's coverage of the Miller episode, replied, "The entire thing."

Now many Times staffers are out for blood...
...
Hours after Keller's memo hit IN boxes, the paper ran a column by op-ed star Maureen Dowd calling Miller a "woman of mass destruction." The next day, a column by public editor Byron Calame detailed the frustration of editors who'd worked with Miller. "These are the things you say to your girlfriend when you want her to break up with you," said one reporter who asked not to be identified because he did not want to speak for the Times. But Miller is, for now at least, standing firm. Late last week she told NEWSWEEK she had every intention of returning to work. She also did some digging of her own. "Are you hearing anything about Fitzgerald?" she asked, before quickly hanging up.


Context:

A 'Dear Judy' Letter from 'Scooter'--With 'Admiration' By E&P Staff, Published: October 1, 2005

“Dear Judy, Your reporting, and you are missed. Like many Americans, I admire your principled stand. But, like many friends and readers, I would welcome you back among the rest of us, doing what you do best—reporting.”
...
“You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover—Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work—-and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.”

“With admiration, Scooter Libby.”
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:04 AM
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32. its a hard fall--from a martyr to a victim!!


....The memo, which Miller called "seriously inaccurate," caught her off guard. "I didn't know it was coming," she told NEWSWEEK.
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ikri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:04 AM
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33. Ha! Finally they realize that she's no reporter
She had great access to politicians but no reporter would have sat on some of the stories that she had (she was a friend of Dr David Kelly and received the last email he sent before his suicide, yet failed to report anything about it).

I don't know what she is/was, but she is definitely not a reporter.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:22 AM
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34. Shouldn't the NYT call Judy their embedded beltway gossip columnist?
Like many newspapers across this USA, more filler and pulp than actual substance






{not redacted, just left blank for fun:spray:, eff you Dick}









Disclaimer:lies,distortions,falsehoods and outright fraud are legitimate substantiative leaks in the event of domestically induced culture war
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:34 AM
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37. Either that or embedded propagandist
I keep hoping the NY Times gets its act together before this country loses yet another quality newspaper.

And the idea of charging readers who want to look up columnists is another self-destructive move. Hell if I'm going to pay.

Hekate
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:19 PM
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42. what she asked Newsweek....
Anyone know what Miller is hinting at with her recent question of Newsweek, " Are you hearing anything about Fitzgerald?" - is this a hint that she has negative info of some kind on the special presecutor, or is she just pissing into the wind, like Kay Bailey?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:30 AM
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36. BAD REPORTER: "I didn't know it was coming" sez Judy!!!
Hell, I knew it was coming, every dullard talking head on the tee vee knew it was coming, my damn DOG knew it was coming!

The minute she tried to pass off that lousy essay she wrote about her GJ testimony as something full, complete and worth reading, she should have known it was coming, and she had a problem. When she refused to answer questions of NYT reporters trying to cover the situation, she should have known it was coming, and she had a problem.

But in actual fact, she should have known better than to shill for the administration, and when caught out at it, she should have known that she would not be regarded as a real journalist from that point on.

Imus is wondering if the "inappropriate entanglements" with Scooter involve doing the hokey pokey. He opined that since Judy's "fat old husband" went on a Carribean cruise while she was in the slammer, that there is trouble in paradise there. I imagine Mrs. Libby was happy to hear that...not.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:30 PM
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40. $8,558,439,764 says FAUX picks her up after she is fired
bank it
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:50 PM
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44. Have Victoria Toensing and Joe De Genova finally shut up about poor
Judy who went to jail to protect her sources?

Can poltical progaganda ever be honorable? Not from the mouths of those two.

Place me on the list of people who despise the married right wing PIMPERS.
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