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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:29 PM
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Northeast braces for Superstorm 2005
I found this in GD, but it's important enough for LBN.

NORTHEAST BRACES FOR SUPERSTORM 2005

STATE COLLEGE, PA (AccuWeather.com) -- AccuWeather.com meteorologists say Hurricane Wilma and the remnants of Tropical Storm Alpha will be drawn north along the Atlantic coast. By Tuesday they will be absorbed into a large low pressure system that will develop off the Virginia Capes, forming a "super-storm" that is expected to bring wind, rain, snow and flooding to the Northeast.

There is the potential for extensive wind damage, especially in coastal areas. The wind and snow could uproot trees and snap limbs that haven't shed their leaves. That could lead to the potential for power outages if the trees strike power lines.

Wilma was at Category 3 strength when it ripped across South Florida after making landfall just south of Naples on Monday morning. The eighth hurricane to strike Florida in the past 15 months is being blamed for six deaths, and damage is estimated at anywhere from $2 billion to $9 billion.
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http://wwwa.accuweather.com/news-weather-headlines.asp
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blackhorse Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:37 PM
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1. I saw ...
a program on European television that looked at changes in the weather over the last few decades. One wild thing happening now is some of the U.S. hurricanes are now proceeding up the U.S. coast, going out into the north Atlantic, *crossing the ocean*, and slamming into the coasts of Holland, Denmark, and the German islands. It was an eerie to see the program, which was likely produced before the Katrina disaster, because it depicted a storm flood situation in a German coastal city that looked fairly identical to the disaster that hit NOLA.

How long until these storms make a full circle and just keep on turning?

Cheers

BH
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:13 AM
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6. Good question
I wonder if the ocean were warm enough, whether hurricanes could make a full circle in the atlantic, and keep going -- like a permanent storm system. Kind of like the great red spot on Jupiter, but much smaller and wetter.

That will suck.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:10 PM
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26. unlikely
Hurricanes, in general, do not move towards the equator.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:15 AM
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10. Is there a link to this program? I was wondering about the last storm
that hit Spain and Portugal.
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blackhorse Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:53 AM
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18. mom cat - try this (but in German)
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 10:26 AM by blackhorse
I wish I had one. The best I can recall is that it was on the Franco-German ARTE channel about two weeks after Katrina hit NOLA. It also featured a segment on the QEII hitting a monster wave created by one of the northern-wandered hurricanes and taking heavy damage. The part that caught my attention was that the ocean buoys were warning that freakishly large waves were cresting, but the guys seeing the data thought the buoys were malfunctioning -- I'd guess The Day After scene about the buoys was taken from this incident.

On edit - try http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/31/0,1872,2382879,00.html
Looks like ZDF was playing the program. The title in German was "Im Auge des Sturms" (In the eye of the storms)

As well, http://www.g-o.de/index.php?cmd=tv_detail&tag=Dienstag seems to be a good resource on European weather with stories on extreme weather

BH
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:58 PM
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30. Thanks for the links. I speak almost no German, but the visuals needed
no translation.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:49 PM
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2. wasn't this the setup for "The Perfect Storm"?
or something like it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:39 AM
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14. Yup, if I remember the book correctly....
Along with a storm from the Great Lakes, I think.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:55 AM
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19. it was somewhat similar, i lived in Boston at the time and i remember
it well because i had just come back from my honeymoon.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:39 PM
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23. I remember that storm too
I recall the news footage of the Gloucester harbor during the storm with the massive waves rolling in. I remember wondering how any boats would survive being IN the harbor.

The actual storm I don't remember much of - we probably lost power for a bit, but the house was 30 miles inland.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:01 AM
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3. Accu-Weather's Joe Bastardi's name for scientists ...
... he doesn't agree with: "Global Warmingistas".

And he's a "Christian" bodybuilder.

Any hints on which direction his occasional political rants go?

--p!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:47 AM
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16. Yes! For left-leaning weather coverage
(I can't believe it has come to that!)

see www.wunderground.com

Those guys are total lefties, I know for a fact, lefter than most of us, even :)

And Dr. Jeff Masters weather blog is the best!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:51 AM
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17. He's well-named, then.
"Bastardi" is Italian for "bastards", which makes no sense, but this guy sounds like he's bastard enough for two people at least, so it works out.

And...he's a meteorologist, not a climatologist. The evidence for global warming, from ice-core and tree ring data, is compelling enough that at this point, anyone who dismisses it can be considered on the fringes of mainstream science. He should stick to forecasting the weather and quit offering opinions that he lacks the qualifications to back up.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:11 PM
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27. and Rick Santorum
is trying to cripple the National Weather Service's ability to provide forecasts to the public so that accuweather can succeed. with friends like that...
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:17 AM
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4. great
i hope i can get to NYC this weekend x(
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RumpusCat Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:07 PM
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22. I don't know if it's supposed to escalate further, but
right now in NYC/North Jersey it's just kinda damp and rainy. Strange-looking sky outside, but I'm a fairly recent transplant to the area and I'm not entirely used to the weather patterns yet.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:01 AM
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5. Forecast here is up to 6" of snow
And me without my snow tires.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:13 AM
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9. That is intense. She is howling here in Boston right now.
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:05 PM
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24. it's calmer now
when i first woke up today i thought the trees outside were going to snap like twigs.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:07 PM
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32. Some did, but it was so mild compared to NO that I can hardly complain.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:18 AM
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7. Its going to miss NE...storm's moving fast out to sea
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:26 AM
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8. Hope you're right.
But from where I'm sitting on the coast o'Maine the rain & wind are beginning to pick up. Not a fun day.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:24 AM
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11. Wilma itself is not the problem.
The meteorologists say it can interact with existing weather systems to cause the "Super Storm."

(Gulf Coast resident here who doesn't understand NE weather that much.)
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:36 AM
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13. its just a noresaster...
it will rain in philadelphia for 2 weeks now... if this was later in the year, we'd get a couple feet of snow...
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:26 AM
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12. Weather Channel just predicted up to a foot of snow in the Adirondacks and
Green Mountains.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:40 AM
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15. Green Mtns, White Mtns, and the mountains of Maine
People are fretting but they always do this at the beginning of the season. It won't be the last storm of the winter. Just another stormy day in Maine here. :)
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:06 AM
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20. Philipsburg PA-4inches since 9 am; schools closing early.
That is about 25 miles west of State College. Many of you may not like Accuweather; but having lived there for 37 years of my life, I can honestly tell you--They know their snow!
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:34 AM
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21. AccuWeather.com
They have Santorum in their pocket. Accuweather.com will benefit if he can eliminate NOAA.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:09 PM
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25. Excellent point - as a licensed pilot, I cannot say this enough...
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 02:10 PM by Cooley Hurd
NWS/NOAA is the ONLY TRUE SOURCE!!!!! "Accuweather" is something "Eyewitness News" calls its weather segment!
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:19 PM
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28. A proposal.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 02:23 PM by silverweb
Since the reTHUGs are pushing the privatization of meteorology and weather forecasting, along with everything else, perhaps we should try to avoid using Accuweather as a source here at DU.

Maybe we should try to stick with the NOAA (http://www.nws.noaa.gov) as our referenced source here and stop giving Accuweather and Intellicast and their ilk the traffic.

Just a thought.

On edit: As usual, if I'd read all other posts before saying my piece, I'd have known that mahatmakanejeeves and Cooley Hurd already posted on this subject just above. I guess I'm just sort of expanding on what you said, guys.

:D
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 02:21 PM
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29. It's snowing!
First snow of the year but certainly not the last (unless that stuff about global warming is really true.) :D
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:05 PM
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31. This is actually one of the global warming scenarios...a mini ice age
due to the weakening of the North Atlantic current. Without that current, England, which is on the same latitude as Siberia looses it's current heater and gets bitterly cold. The NE does not faer too well either. It will be a localized ice age in the midst of a warming in the rest of the planet.Stay warm.
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droidamus Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:10 PM
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33. Just moved to Vermont
I recently moved from California to Bakersfield, Vermont. About 30 miles north of Burlington and 15 miles up in the hills. We have already received at least a couple of inches of snow (I'm from California how the hell do I know how much snow has fallen) as of 10:00 PM Tuesday. Great introduction to living in the northeast don't you think. ;-)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:28 PM
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34. Hope you have some....
insulated, water-proof boots, a hip length coat and a shovel!!
:evilgrin:

http://www.virtualvermont.com/history/1816.html

THE SUMMER(?)
OF '16

As the story goes,
finalizing the state line between Vermont and its neighbor
to the west ended up with one old farmer suddenly living
in New York, though he hadn't moved in nigh on fifty years.

Asked how he felt about it, he said that it suited him just fine.

"Couldn't take 'nother one o' them Vermont winters," said he.

Stories about the weather abound.
But no fiction is stranger than the truth
about the summer of 1816,
the year summer was apparently entirely forgotten.

Spring started off fine after a severe winter,
dry and warm by the end of April,
with flowers bursting into color, trees blooming,
and the earthy smells of the new season in the air.
May, however, was annoyingly cold and dryer than normal;
many blamed it on huge sunspots,
visible to the naked eye for the first time in memory.
It was 90 degrees on June fifth.
By the following day, the temperature dropped to 40,
and the snow that was falling melted as it touched
the still very warm ground.

It was snowing again on the seventh,
and continued until noon the next day at Waterbury.
By that time there was a foot of white on the ground
in Montpelier, over eighteen inches in Cabot.
Many crops and leaves on trees were killed;
farmers wearily replanted.
Birds which had not taken shelter perished and newly
shorn sheep froze to death.

June 9 found inch-thick ice on shallow ponds and foot-long
icicles were noted.
A good early crop of oats kept many from going hungry;
it was the first time most had even tasted oatmeal.
Seed prices were by now up to five times the norm,
but farmers were thankful even at that.

"Some account was given . . . of the unparalleled severity
of the weather.
It continued, without any essential amelioration,
from the 6th to the 10th instant -- freezing as hard five nights
in succession as it usually does in December.
On the night of the 6th, water froze an inch thick --
and on the night of the 7th and morning of the 8th,
a kind of sleet or exceeding cold snow fell,
attended with high wind,
which measured in places where it was drifted,
18 to 20 inches in depth.
Saturday morning the weather was more severe than it
generally is during the storms of winter."
-- North Star, Danville, Vermont
June 15, 1816
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

More Stories at Link....

Good Luck!
Stay Warm!!
:wow:
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