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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:57 AM
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"Pollari went to the White House to offer its truth on the Iraq"
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/j/sezioni/esteri/iraq69/bodv/bodv.html

Please excuse the translation I had to use this, it can be used for the rest of the article
http://www.freetranslation.com/

"Pollari went to the White House to offer its truth on the Iraq" The dossier on the uranium from the Niger did
not involve the Ioc of CARLO BONINI and GIUSEPPE OF REMAINDER

ROME - For Nicolò Pollari, director of the Earthquakes, the rules of its occupation I am inequivoche. It says to Republic: "I Am the director of the intelligence and the mine alone institutional speaker, after the 11 September, was at Washington the director of the Ioc, George Tenet. How it is obvious, I speak only with him. ..". But it is actual truth that our barbefinte have working only with the Ioc? Or they supported also the clandestine efforts of the intelligence parallel created from Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz with the "group Iraq", the office for Special plans of the Pentagon, the office of the national security advisor, specific to find the useful tests for the "change of regime" to Baghdad?

It is a fact that, to the eve of the war in Iraq and with the supervision of the diplomatic advisor of Palace Chigi, Gianni Castellaneta (today ambassador in the Usa), the director of the Earthquakes organizes to Washington its diary with the staff of Condoleezza Rice, in those national years security advisor to the White House. Republic is in a position to document this double platform of the government and of the Italian intelligence. At least one of the meetings "very little institutional" of Pollari and, how they the secret agents say, it "accomplishment of a system" that holds together Government - Intelligence - Information.

Short recapitulation. The Earthquakes of Nicolò Pollari wants to credit the iraqui purchase of uranium crude to build a nuclear bomb. The diagram of the game is rather transparent. The cards "authentic" on an attempt to purchase in Niger (old "intelligence" Italian of the eighties) the door in gift the vicecapo of the Center Earthquakes of Rome (Antonio Nucera). They come bundled with other card built to the bell' and better with a theft simulated in the embassy of the Niger (if they extract of it card addressed and you stamp). The documents come shown from the men of Pollari to the agents of the station Ioc of Rome while a "mailman" of the Earthquakes, a such one of name Rocco Martino, delivers them to London to the MI6 of sir Richard Dearlove. It is the before instantaneous one. It returns useful to tell the second chapter of the Large organizing Deciet in Italy to build the necessity of a military intervention in Iraq. It already we saw. Greg Thielmann, former director of the front desk of intelligence of the Department of State, itself meeting place on the table the report "Italian" on the uranium. It does not remember the exact date.




"Pollari andò alla Casa Bianca
per offrire la sua verità sull'Iraq"
Il dossier sull'uranio dal Niger non coinvolgeva la Cia
di CARLO BONINI e GIUSEPPE D'AVANZO


ROMA - Per Nicolò Pollari, direttore del Sismi, le regole del suo mestiere sono inequivoche. Dice a Repubblica: "Sono il direttore dell'intelligence e il mio solo interlocutore istituzionale, dopo l'11 settembre, è stato a Washington il direttore della Cia, George Tenet. Come è ovvio, io parlo soltanto con lui...". Ma è proprio vero che le nostre barbefinte hanno lavorato soltanto con la Cia? Oppure hanno sostenuto anche gli sforzi clandestini dell'intelligence parallela creata da Dick Cheney e Paul Wolfowitz con il "gruppo Iraq", l'Office for Special plans del Pentagono, l'ufficio del consigliere per la Sicurezza nazionale, determinatissimi a trovare le prove utili per il "cambio di regime" a Bagdad?

È un fatto che, alla vigilia della guerra in Iraq e con la supervisione del consigliere diplomatico di Palazzo Chigi, Gianni Castellaneta (oggi ambasciatore negli Usa), il direttore del Sismi organizza a Washington la sua agenda con lo staff di Condoleezza Rice, in quegli anni consigliere per la Sicurezza nazionale alla Casa Bianca. Repubblica è in grado di documentare questo doppio binario del governo e dell'intelligence italiana. Almeno uno degli incontri "molto poco istituzionali" di Pollari e, come dicono gli agenti segreti, la "realizzazione di un sistema" che tiene insieme Governo - Intelligence - Informazione.

Breve riepilogo. Il Sismi di Nicolò Pollari vuole accreditare l'acquisto iracheno di uranio grezzo per fabbricare una bomba nucleare. Lo schema del gioco è alquanto trasparente. Le carte "autentiche" su un tentativo di acquisto in Niger (vecchia "intelligence" italiana degli anni Ottanta) le porta in dote il vicecapo del Centro Sismi di Roma (Antonio Nucera). Vengono affastellate con altra cartaccia costruita alla bell'e meglio con un furto simulato nell'ambasciata del Niger (se ne ricavano carta intestata e timbri). I documenti vengono mostrati dagli uomini di Pollari agli agenti della stazione Cia di Roma mentre un "postino" del Sismi, un tale di nome Rocco Martino, li consegna a Londra al MI6 di sir Richard Dearlove.

È la prima istantanea. Torna utile per raccontare il secondo capitolo del Grande Inganno organizzato in Italia per costruire la necessità di un intervento militare in Iraq. Lo abbiamo già visto. Greg Thielmann, ex direttore del bureau di intelligence del Dipartimento di Stato, si ritrova sul tavolo il report "italiano" sull'uranio. Non ricorda la data esatta.





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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:01 PM
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1. When will automatic translation not suck?
I gave up on it when it translated "Windows Service Pack" as "Portal Maintenance Luggage" during a search I was running.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:32 PM
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11. that is the holy grail of computer science
i doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes

peace
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:28 PM
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13. When we perfect the DWIM op-code
DWIM - Do What I Mean

Computers aren't semantic machines, but you get lovely governmental earthquakes when you try to make them do semantic stuff.

-Hoot
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:02 PM
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2. so what is this saying?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:05 PM
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3. here are a couple more links
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:07 PM
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6. Thanks maddezmom
:hi:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:57 PM
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21. thank you very much
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:06 PM
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4. Here is Josh Marshall's Interpretation of the article....
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 12:09 PM by leftchick
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

I mentioned yesterday that the Italian daily La Repubblica ran a story reporting alleged new details about the origins of the Niger/uranium forgeries. Today they followed up with a second part of their report which, if accurate in its particulars, could rock the foundations of official Washington.

Let me note first, as I did yesterday, that the article is of course written in Italian. And it has not yet had a professional translation. What I'm about to discuss comes from a conversation I had this morning with a colleague in Italy who related the substance of the article to me. I'm confident of the substance of what I'm going to describe; but I wanted to add that caveat. Keep in mind also that what I'm relating comes from this particular article. I can't vouch for it based on reporting of my own. And there are reasons to be skeptical on a few different points.

Nicolo Pollari is the head of Italian military intelligence, SISMI. The Repubblica article claims that over the course of 2002 Pollari -- knowing the documents were fakes -- made repeated attempts to get them into the DC information stream by going around the CIA, which discounted them as fakes. This was to satisfy the expressed needs of Bush administration officials who were searching for some information to validate their claims about an Iraqi nuclear program.

Remember, too, that Pollari attended the secret Rome meetings in late 2001 arranged by Michael Ledeen and attended by Manucher Ghorbanifar, Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:10 PM
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7.  JANUARY 2001 BREAK-IN AT NIGER EMBASSY
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256

JANUARY 2001 BREAK-IN AT NIGER EMBASSY

At night, between the first and second of the January 2001, a mysterious thief came to the embassy of Niger in Rome and into the residence of the counselor in charge. It turned out that some letterhead and seals (see photocopy) were missing. A second dossier on Niger-Iraq trade soon came into Martino’s hands, one that included references to uranium trafficking. Martino claims he got it from embassy personnel and that he thought it was authentic.


:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:14 PM
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9. Michael Ledeen is like a cancer...
I would love to see him rot in jail.

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:18 PM
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10. YES LEDEEN!
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 12:20 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681

"Previous versions of the report were redacted and had all the names removed, though it was possible to guess who was involved. This version names Michael Ledeen as the conduit for the report and indicates that former CIA officers Duane Clarridge and Alan Wolf were the principal forgers. All three had business interests with Chalabi."

Alan Wolf died about a year and a half ago of cancer. He served as chief of the CIA's Near East Division as well as the European Division, and was also CIA chief of station in Rome after Clarridge. According to my source, "he and Clarridge and Ledeen were all very close and also close to Chalabi." The former CIA officer says Wolf "was Clarridge's Agency godfather. Significantly, both Clarridge and Wolf also spent considerable time in the Africa division, so they both had the Africa and Rome connection and both were close to Ledeen, closing the loop."

A veteran of the Iran-Contra scandal, Ledeen played an important role in the Iran-Contra "arms for hostages" scandal by setting up meetings between the American government and the Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. Not all that unexpected coming from a self-proclaimed advocate of Machiavelli's amoralism. Today, Ledeen is among the most visible and radical neoconservative ideologues whose passion for a campaign of serial "regime-change" in the Middle East is undiminished by the Iraqi debacle. Just as the Roman senator Cato the Elder finished his perorations with the command "Carthage must be destroyed," so Michael "Creative Destruction" Ledeen closes his hopped-up warmongering essays with "Faster, please!," an exhortation presumably addressed to his confreres in the Bush administration.

Ledeen has kept the neocon faith – and the same friends – for all these years. He's still buddies with Ghorbanifar. In December 2001, he had a meeting in Rome with Ghorbanifar in the company of the Pentagon's top Iran specialist, Larry Franklin, and Harold Rhode, assigned to the Office of Net Assessment, a Pentagon think tank. Also at the Rome conclave: a number of Ghorbanifar's Iranian friends, including a former senior official of the Revolutionary Guard. Rounding out the distinguished guest list, we have the Italian delegation, consisting of SISMI head honcho Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italy's military intelligence agency, and Italian Defense Minister Antonio Martino, a neocon favorite. Once again, Ledeen plays the middleman – but what kind of a deal was he trying to negotiate?

more


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10571.htm

At the beginning of 2001, a few weeks before George Bush took office, there was a break-in at the Niger embassy in Rome. Strangely, nothing of value was taken. Months later came 9/11 and a month after that, as George Bush wondered how to get back at the terrorists, a report from the Italian security service (Sismi) reached the CIA: Iraq was seeking to buy uranium.

Disappointingly for the neocons, the CIA sent Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to check the story: he reported that it was nonsense. When the story was repeated by Bush, Wilson went public. His wife, CIA agent Valerie Plame, was then outed by the White House. Hence Rove's predicament.

An organisation called the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was set up in the Pentagon by Douglas Feith, a former consultant to Israel's Likud party, to prepare for the war. In the words of Robert Baer, a distinguished former CIA man, it was a "competing intelligence shop at the Pentagon"..."if you didn't like the answer you're getting from the CIA". In short, bogus stories would get a second chance at the OSP.

A clue to the ancestry of these black arts can be found in 1980, when right-wing Republicans wanted Ronald Reagan elected. They publicised a story that Billy Carter, the then President Jimmy Carter's colourful brother, had received $50,000 (£28,000) from the Libyan government.

The story was always denied by the President and no evidence of the payment was found, but the story helped to elect Reagan. Its source? Sismi, and an associate of a man called Michael Ledeen.


http://www.antiwar.com/blog/comments.php?id=2426_0_1_0_C


First of all, I am not a leftist. Secondly, the sources for the quotes of former CIA and DIA agent Philip Giraldi were my interviews of him, as indicated in the correctly transcribed entry on the Wikipedia page, and which I provided the mp3 link for. Fourth, I am happy that the US is no longer part of the British Empire.

As far as Ledeen and the Niger uranium forgeries, Giraldi explained in the interviews that the "couple of CIA agents" were paid in foreign accounts and that Fitzgerald had "already found the money trail." Ledeen's connections to the Office of Special Plans and Sismi are well documented, he attended a number of meetings in Italy with Harold Rhode, who "practically lived out of (Iranian spy) Ahmad Chalabi's office," Manucher Ghorbanifar and guilty Israeli spy Larry Franklin, around the time the Italians began passing on the (already debunked) story back to the US.

As Josh Marshall put it in The Hill:

"he intelligence reports that came in to Washington in late 2001 were from Italian military intelligence, SISMI. The other detail, according to intelligence sources I’ve spoken to, is that those reports turned out to be text transcriptions of Niger forgeries that didn’t surface in Rome until almost a year later...

From the very beginning, American suspicions about a Niger-Iraq trade in uranium were based on what turned out to be the forged documents. And the text transcriptions of those documents came in from Italian intelligence...

Burba, the Italian journalist who eventually brought the forgeries to the U.S. Embassy in Rome, got them from an unnamed Italian “security consultant.” His name turns out to be Rocco Martino, a retired SISMI operative. And as I mentioned last week, last summer, my colleagues and I conducted a series of in-person interviews with him.

It has sometimes been suggested in the Italian press that Martino himself is the forger. But he told us a different story — one that was corroborated by another participant in the handling of the documents. Martino told us that the documents came from a still-serving SISMI colonel, whom he named."

But where did they originate? Giraldi's partner, Vincent Cannistraro, Director for Intelligence Programs at the National Security Council under Reagan, has maintained that they were produced in the US and has said, "You'd be very close," in answer to the question of whether Ledeen forged them.

Combined with what Giraldi had to say, it sure seems like enough to take to a grand jury to me.

Or is it not a crime to lie a country into war?


http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256

July Friday 29th 2005 (05h28) :
KARL ROVE, MICHAEL LEDEEN SPIES PROCURED FORGED NIGER DOCUMENTS
13 comment(s).

KARL ROVE and VARIOUS SPIES HE IS LINKED TO

Karl Rove’s only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilson’s CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who’s under charges of giving US secrets to Israel.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karl Rove’s foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.
Michael Ledeen, Rove’s "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran.

George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency in 2000, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli.

EARLY 2000: ROCCO MARTINO AND THE FRENCH CONNECTION

...


The war is not just about oil, Israel’s fears/ambitions, or US hegemony. There are contracts and contractors in Iraq. Modern-day carpetbaggers with briefcases descended like a plague of scorpions on the poor, bloodied, bombed-out, grieving people of Iraq. They included the daughter of the war’s chief banshee -- Simone Ledeen, Michael’s young daughter -- shown in the photo, greeting with an impish smile another occupier at the Baghdad airport -- getting ready to lord it over the Iraqis as she tries out her new MBA in working for the CPA. Caption: "The creatures step out of the tripods." Maybe it’ll help to pay off those student loans -- huh, Michael?


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/19/145557/54

Keyser Soze aka Michael Ledeen.

Michael Ledeen was one of the founders of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). He holds the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a think tank for AIPAC. He is co-founder of the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. As far back as 1980, the CIA allegedly listed Ledeen as an agent of influence of Israel. Ledeen is the main foreign policy advisor to Karl Rove. Ledeens main obsession seems to be to overthrow Iran.

In 1972 he published the book Universal Fascism, in which he expounds upon "the rightness of the fascist cause." In Universal Fascism, Ledeen first builds his case that fascism was the "20th Century Revolution" and that "people yearn for the real thing - revolution". It's the blueprint for a fascist revolution.

In 1980 he collaborated with Francesco Pazienza of SISMI and P-2 in the "BillyGate" affair. This is the same Pazienze who was recently found out to belong to the parallel intelligence agency in Italy. In 1985 Pazienza was found guilty of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of terrorists. Ledeen is identified in court documents as an agent of SISMI.

The Pentagon downgraded Ledeen's security clearances from Top Secret-SCI to Secret in the mid-1980s, after the FBI began a probe of Ledeen for passing classified materials to a foreign
country, believed to be Israel.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 04:30 PM
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25. Other reports say Ledeen was the go-between: betw Pollari and the WH
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 04:33 PM by Wordie
See this:
<snip>
The OSP – and certainly Ledeen – are specifically named as the conduits through which the White House received the forgery-based "evidence.

AND <snip>
Ledeen was first identified as an active player in Niger-gate in this space, and the La Repubblica piece confirms it. Whatever charges are filed by Fitzgerald this week, the latest revelations ought to provide plenty of grist for the prosecutor's indictment mill – which we should not assume to be exhausted after this week.

As the architects of a campaign to lie us into war saw their narrative of a nuclearized Saddam come under challenge, they returned fire – and hit a CIA agent, blowing her cover and sabotaging an important U.S. intelligence-gathering operation. Perhaps, as I speculated in my last column, they had special reason to fear Plame and the capability of her colleagues at Brewster Jennings to track down the provenance of the Niger uranium forgeries. In any case, the neocons' act of retribution backfired badly – to what extent we will learn shortly.

(from a much longer article, VERY interesting)
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7776

Edited to add:
btw, Recommended and thanks for posting this.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:07 PM
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5. Thanks for the post but the translation is hysterically funny!
:D. I'm not sure if I'm understand much of what it says...but this part had me laughing " For Nicolò Pollari, director of the Earthquakes,....and this... "The Earthquakes of Nicolò Pollari wants to credit the iraqui purchase of uranium crude to build a nuclear bomb. The diagram of the game is rather transparent. The cards "authentic" on an attempt to purchase in Niger (old "intelligence" Italian of the eighties) the door in gift the vicecapo of the Center Earthquakes of Rome (Antonio Nucera).
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:13 PM
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8. "For Nicolò Pollari, director of the Earthquakes"
Don't let the HAARP nutjobs find out about this.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:32 PM
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15. LOL
I love that line. It's like a title of a minor bureaucrat in a Borges short story.

Fucking brilliant.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:37 PM
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12. Thanks for posting this! People can also go to Josh Marshall's
Talking Points Memo, b/c he references this article and discusses it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5164017

In my opinion, this is VERY interesting stuff, vis-a-vis the Plame investigation (Treasongate).
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:31 PM
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14. That is the WORST translation (from and engine or otherwise)
that I've ever seen.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

"It does not remember the exact date"

But does it put the fucking lotion in the basket?

:rofl:

:rofl:

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 03:44 PM
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16. Attempted translation
(OK, I speak a little Italian & have worked as a translator, so have taken a stab at translating this article. No guarantees this will make sense!)


"Pollari went to the White House to offer his own truth on Iraq"

For Niccolo Pollari, Director of SIMSI, the rules of the trade are unequivocal. As he tells La Repubblica, "I am the Director of Intelligence and my only official contact in Washington after Sept 11. was with the Director of the CIA, George Tenet. Obviously, I spoke only with him..." But is it true that our spy has worked only with the CIA? Or has he also supported the secret parellel intelligence created by Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz with the "White House Iraq Group," the Office of Special Plans of the Pentagon, and an NSA official, all to find useful proof for "regime change" in Iraq?

It is a fact that, on the eve of war in Iraq, and with the supervision of the Italian Prime Minister, Giannie Castellaneta (now ambassador to the US) the SIMSI director in Washington, organized his agenda with the staff of Condalezza Rice, who was then the National Security Advisor to the White House. La Repubblica is now able to document this dual track of the government and Italian intelligence. At least one of Pollari's "unofficial meetings" is, as secret agents say, the "fullfillment of the system" that holds together Government - Intelligence - Information.

Short recap. The SIMSI of Niccolo Pollari wanted to "authenticate" the Iraqi acquisition of crude uranium to build a nuclear bomb. The game plan was pretty clear. Papers "authenticating" an attempted purchase in Niger were handed over to the head of SIMSI in Rome (Antonio Nucera). They came bundled together with other letters created with a faked theft of the Niger embassy (which obtained addressed and stamped papers). These documents were shown by one of Pollari's agents to a CIA agent in Rome; while a SIMSI "postman", named Rocco Martino, delivers them to the British MI6 headed by Sir Dearlove.

This is the first snapshot. A useful flashback to tell the second chapter of the "Great Deceit" organized in Italy to construct the necessity for a military invasion of Iraq. We have already seen this. Greg Theilman, ex-Director of the State Dept. Intelligence Bureau, received on his table an "Italian" report on the uranium. He does not recall the exact date. He speaks generically about the autumn of 2001. But the exact day can be important. Because on Oct. 15, 2001, three events became knotted together with one amazing coincidence...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 03:52 PM
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17. . Because on Oct. 15, 2001, three events became knotted together with one
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 03:53 PM by seemslikeadream
amazing coincidence...


Thanks Marie26

If you possibly have a bit more time could you translate some more of the article?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:42 PM
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23. Thanks! Much appreciated
You're human, or you just passed the Turing Test. Nice cliffhanger elipsis, too!

Either way, can you translate more of these articles? I have the feeling that the Italian news scene is going to get veeery interesting over the next month, and for some reason I don't trust the American media to handle it...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:41 PM
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18. Translations of part 1 and 2
http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/berlusconi-behind-fake-yellowcake.html

Double-Dealers and Dilettantes--the Men Behind Nigergate Were All Italians.

The military intervention in Iraq was justified by two revelations: Saddam Hussein attempted to acquire unprocessed uranium (yellowcake) in Niger (1) for enrichment with centrifuges built with aluminum tubes imported from Europe(2). The fabricators of the twin hoaxes (there was never any trace in Iraq of unprocessed uranium or centrifuges) were the Italian government and Italian military intelligence. La Repubblica has attempted to reconstruct the who, where and why of the manufacture and transfer to British and American intelligence of the dodgy dossier for war.

They are the same two hoaxes that Judith Miller, the reporter who betrayed her newspaper, published (together with Michael Gordon) on September 8, 2002. In a lengthy investigative piece for the New York Times, Miller reported that Saddam could have built an atomic weapon with those aluminum tubes. These were the goods that the hawks in the Bush administration were expecting.

The "war dance" which followed Judith Miller’s scoop seemed like "carefully-prepared theater” to an attentive media-watcher, Roberto Reale of Ultime Notizie (The Latest News).

Condoleezza Rice, who was then White House Security Advisor, said on CNN: We don’t want the smoking gun to look like a mushroom cloud. A menacing Dick Cheney told Meet the Press that We know with absolute certainty that Saddam is using his technical and commercial capacities to acquire the material necessary to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon. This was the beginning of an escalation of fear.

26 September 2002: Colin Powell warns the Senate: The Iraqi attempt to acquire uranium is proof of its nuclear ambitions.

19 December 2002: The information on Niger and the uranium is included in the three-page President’s Daily Briefing prepared each day by the CIA and the Department of State for George W. Bush. The ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, added his stamp of approval: Why is Iraq dissimulating its purchase of Niger uranium?

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http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/25/la-repubblica-scoop/

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It’s a fact that on the eve of the Iraq war, and under the supervision of the diplomatic advisor to the Foreign Ministry, Gianni Castellaneta (today ambassador to the USA), the director of SISMI organized his agenda in Washington with the staff of Condoleeza Rice, who was National Security Adviser to the White House at that time. La Repubblica is able to document this two track process between the government and Italian intelligence. At least one of these ‘barely official’ meetings of Pollari’s was, according to secret service agents, the ‘creation of a system’ that would bring together government, intelligence and public affairs .

To summarize: Nicolo Pollari’s SISMI wanted to substantiate the the Iraqi acquisition of raw uranium to build a nuclear bomb. The game-plan was rather transparent. ‘Authentic’ documents relating to an attempted acquisition in Niger (old Italian intelligence from the 1980’s) were the dowry of the second-in-command of CISMI’s Roman headquarters (Antonio Nucera). They were bundled together with another fabricated document … through a simulated burglary on the Nigerien embassy (from which they had gotten headed notepaper and seals). The documents were shown by Pollari’s men to CIA station agents, and at the same time, a SISMI ‘postman’ by the name of Rocco Martino was sent to Sir Richard Dearlove of MI6 in London.

turning to the second chapter of the Great Swindle, organized in Italy, to build the case that military intervention in Iraq was necessary. … the Italian report on uranium …

… The CIA analysts thought the first report ‘very limited’ and ‘without the necessary details.’ INR analysts in the Department of State assessed the information as ‘highly suspect.’ … The immediate impact on the American Intelligence community wasn’t very gratifying for Pollari … Gianni Castellaneta advised him to look in ‘other directions’ too, while the minister of Defence, Antonio Martino invited him to meet ‘an old friend of Italy’s.’ The American friend was Michael Ledeen, an old fox in the ‘parallel’ intelligence community in the US, who had been declared an undesirable person in our country in the 1980’s . Ledeen was at Rome on behalf of the Office of Special Plans, created at the Pentagon by Paul Wolfowiz to gather intelligence that would support military intervention in Iraq. A source at Forte Braschi told La Repubblica : “Pollari got a frosty reception from the CIA’s station head in Rome, Jeff Castelli, for this information on uranium. Castelli apparently let the matter drop . Pollari got the hint and talked about it with Michael Ledeen.’ We don’t know what Michael Ledeen did in Washington. But at the beginning of 2002, Paul Wolfowitz convinced Dick Cheney that the uranium trail intercepted by the Italians had to be explored top to bottom. The vice-president, as the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence tells it, once again asked the CIA ‘very decisively’ to find out more about the ‘possible acquisition of Nigerien uranium.’ In this meeting, Dick Cheney explicitly said that this piece of intelligence was at the disposition of a “foreign service.”

… Forte Braschi says that “Pollari was incredibly cunning – he knew that it wasn’t enough to rely on the CIA to push the uranium story. It was necessary to work, as Palazzo Chigi and the Department of Defence had indicated, with the Pentagon and with the National Security Adviser, Rice. … An administration official has told La Repubblica “I can confirm that on September 9 2002, General Nicolo Pollari met Stephen Hadley, the deputy to the National Security Adviser, Condoleeza Rice.”… SISMI’s ‘postman,’ Rocco Martino contacted a journalist for a weekly newspaper – edited by Carlo Rossella – to sell her the documents at issue. … Panorama had a worldwide scoop. Title “The War? It’s already begun,’ it spoke of ‘half a ton of uranium.’ … The government asked. The intelligence service gave. The media spread it. The government confirmed it. It was an old disinformation technique from the Cold War. Exaggerate the danger of the threat. Terrify and convince public opinion of it.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:23 PM
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19. Yoo-hoo, Silvio Berlusconi ... Fitzgerald may want a word with you.
When did Mussolini visit Little Boots in Crawford at the Imperial Pig Farm? (They are really good buds, despite Berlusconi's philandering.) Was there a visit between these two despot wannabes at any time reasonably close to the Niger forgery debacle such that the two could be linked?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:29 PM
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22. Excellent! And yes, Fitz is on top of this.
That Vice President Cheney is at the center of the controversy comes is no surprise. Last Friday, Fitzgerald investigators were talking to Cheney's attorneys, and detailied questionaires, designed to pin down in meticulous sequence what Cheney knew, when he knew it, and what he told his aides,, were delivered to the White House on Monday, these sources said.

The probe is far from being at an end. According to this reporter's sources, Fitzgerald approached the judge in charge of the case and asked that a new grand jury be empaneled. The old grand jury, which has been sitting for two years, will expire on October 28.

Thanks to a letter of February, 2004 which Fitzgerald asked for and obtained expaneed authority, the Special Prosecutor is now in possession of an Italian parliament nvestigationi into the forged Niger documents alleging Iraq's interest in purchasing Niger uranium, sources said.

They said that Fitzgerald is looking into such individuals as former CIA agent, Duane Claridge, military consultant to the Iraqi National Congress, Gen. Wayne Downing, another military consultant for INC, and Francis Brooke, head of INC's Washingfton office in an effort to determine if they played any role in the forgeriese or their dissiemination. Also iIncluded in this group is long-time neoconservative Michael Ledeen, these federal sources said.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/10/26/12518/309


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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 03:48 PM
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24. WOW!! I think this means the lid is blown off of Plamegate
No way that Bush and Co. will survive this!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:30 PM
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20. Bush Bersuloni & Blair the triumverate Busy Bees!!!
so corrupt!!!
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