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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:18 PM
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CNN: Poll: Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak
Poll: Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak
Special prosecutor's grand jury set to expire Friday
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


(CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

Thirty-nine percent said some administration officials acted illegally in the matter, in which the identity of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative, was revealed.

The same percentage of respondents in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll said Bush administration officials acted unethically, but did nothing illegal.

The poll questioned 1,008 adults October 21-23 and has a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Federal law makes it a crime to deliberately reveal the identity of a covert CIA operative, and special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is heading a probe into the matter....


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/25/cia.leak/index.html
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:18 PM
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1. JUICY!!!
Repubs will have a tough time spinning this as nothing.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:25 PM
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3. They'll will attack the poll itself
which is typical for them. When Gallop polls say something bad for Bush, you will get repubs screaming, "Gallop polls are biased" "Gallop must have polled Democrats" blah blah blah.

However, if it's good news, then it's, "See, liberals are idiots. This news should be front page!"

This goes for every poll in existence.
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JokingClown Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:38 PM
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7. scooter, that can be said of any political group in existance
and it doesnt help anything to make silly blanket insults.
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zonkra Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:35 PM
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34. Interestingly enough...
the exact same percentage of repondents answered affirmatively when asked, "if you had to, could you find both cheeks of your butt if you were able to find and use both hands?"

Scientists call this "strong correlation".
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:23 PM
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2. Wow. 90% of Americans are Moonbats!
:7
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:24 AM
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29. no, just the opposite
only 1 in 10 believe NOTHING illegal or unethical occurred. It is a very confusing headline.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:50 PM
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35. I know. "Moonbat" is a Freeper term for those that think the Bush
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 06:50 PM by Boo Boo
administration does illegal and unethical things; ergo: 90% of Americans are Moonbats.

I agree the headline is poorly worded, but the article itself is clear enough.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:26 PM
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4. Most confusing title ever
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:34 PM
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6. I agree!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:32 PM
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9. Yeah, let's move out of negative word territory...
:shrug:
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:37 PM
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40. E-lim-in-ate the negative: "Almost all believe wrongdoing in CIA leak" n/t
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:32 PM
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5. The public could still yawn, not much seems to bother them.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:56 PM
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41. I think plenty are plenty bothered.
Just waiting for justice to happen.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:30 PM
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8. I guess the christian right will have to find another savior.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:06 PM
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10. Poll: View Doubt Wrongdoing in CIA Leak (CNN)
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 10:06 PM by TwoSparkles
My faith in the good people of this country, just might have been restored with this one article! Some of the poll results were curious. I still wonder why ANYONE thinks Junior is ethical. However, the vast majority thinks they did something wrong wrt Plame.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

Thirty-nine percent said some administration officials acted illegally in the matter, in which the identity of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative, was revealed.

The same percentage of respondents in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll said administration officials acted unethically, but did nothing illegal.

The poll was split nearly evenly on what respondents thought of Bush officials' ethical standards -- 51 percent saying they were excellent or good and 48 percent saying they were not good or poor.

(more)


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/25/cia.leak/index.html
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:14 AM
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25. self delete
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 11:15 AM by Tiggeroshii
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:26 PM
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11. I just said the other day
that that was my perception (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2178065#2178089).

I'm glad to see that the polling confirms my impression.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:32 PM
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12. "Only one in 10"!.....I can't believe!
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 10:36 PM by Tight_rope
:wow: Did Bushco run out of kool-aid, or have American's thirst changed for sometime more tastier like the "TRUTH".:beer:
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:04 AM
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22. I'm not sure they care
That's always been the poser about support for Repukes: even when their crimes are exposed for all the world to see, people don't really seem all that interested. How can that be explained? My personal hypothesis is that Americans have become so jaded that they've come to expect corruption and criminal behavior from elected officials and they expect it equally from both parties. All things being thus equal, in their misinformed eyes, you may as well go with the party which at least has an accessible and compelling vision to which you can relate, such as the Repuke desire to ensure American dominance in the global community. "America number 1" is a pretty accessible message even the most child-like of minds can fathom. When Dems are limited in their articulation of their message to "Well, I was for the war at first, but then I wasn't, now I'm sort of for parts of it but against other parts..." people just yawn and think you're hopeless.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:42 PM
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13. Worded so badly I wasn't sure if it was good or bad news for us
"Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak" at first blush you'd tink this meant few thought there was any wrongdoing. What a deliberate, piece of trash, mis-leading title.

Why not say "Most believe wrongdoing in CIA leak"?
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:57 PM
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14. So if 1 in 10 believe BushCo did something wrong, why do 4 in 10
still support him?
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:52 AM
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20. give it a few days after the indictments
for it all to set in. Then watch the polls. (I hope I hope I hope).
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:55 PM
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39. Sample groups were probably different n/t
.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:06 PM
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15. Why do 9 out of 10 'murkins hate 'murka??? (nt)
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:21 PM
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32. No, 9 out of 10 think they DID do something wrong......
that's the most poorly worded headline I've ever seen. It's almost as if they intentionally wanted people to misunderstand it. No, not OUR MSM, they'd never do anything like that! :eyes:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:09 PM
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16. They keep pushing the revealing the identity and not the Perjury
and Cover up its the nightly spin!!!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:46 AM
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17. Poll: Few Doubt Wrongdoing In CIA Leak (9 in 10 Say Illegal or Unethical)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/25/cia.leak/index.html

Poll: Few doubt wrongdoing in CIA leak
Neighbor, former official questioned with grand jury set to expire

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

Thirty-nine percent said some administration officials acted illegally in the matter, in which the identity of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative, was revealed.

The same percentage of respondents in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll said administration officials acted unethically, but did nothing illegal.

MORE AT LINK
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:46 AM
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18. Boy that lead paragraph is oddly worded
why not say "9 in 10 think {they} broke the law" or "9 in 10 think {they} did something illegal or unethical"?
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:00 AM
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21. It was perfectly clear to me.
ONLY ONE in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials DID NOTHING illegal or unethical.

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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:09 AM
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23. That's kind of what I thought too
I haven't quite understood why so many here seem to have had a hard time comprehending what seemed to me like a pretty comprehensible headline. Sure, saying that 90% believe that the administration are crooks would have been nice, but a) that's an unrealistic expectation from the MSM and b) it probably wouldn't be accurate either. It sounds like poll respondents didn't really know what to think, it just looked pretty bad, so they were inclined to suspect something must be going on. That's a far cry from saying everyone in the White House is a crook. Okay, so we all know they are crooks, but expecting that enlightened recognition from the masses of brainwashed sheeple is again kind of unrealistic.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 10:27 PM
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42. It was clear to me as well
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:52 AM
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19. Did the hurricanes affect the kool-aid supply too?
It seems the effects are wearing off.

Only the most gullible can abide the rank corruption and hypocrisy much longer.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:01 AM
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24. Something funny about their percentages or their opening line
They said thirty nine percent think they were illegal and the same amount think they were unethical. That adds to 78% yet they say only 10% think they did no wrong. I didn't read the article so maybe the other 12% were undecided. :shrug:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:15 AM
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26. Alas! The remaining ten percent!
www.freerepublic.com
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:18 AM
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27. Folks. It's few DOUBT wrongdoing..
as in.. most believe there WAS wrongdoing.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 11:21 AM
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28. Pretty confusing title
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 03:57 PM
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30. Totally backwards sounding title, I agree.
I read it a few times just to be sure that my initial reaction was correct... after seeing others here reading the totally opposite into it.

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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 04:05 PM
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31. Those of you
who said the poll was worded badly are correct. Go to Taylormarsh.com and read her column regarding Rushbo the oxycotin king. He completely misread the poll and was pontificating how the country was behind Moron boy and then got caught in his own stupidity and had to retract. Maybe some of you heard the live version of Rush Limpballs.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:53 PM
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36. I wonder if Daryn corrected her friend Rush's misperception. nt
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bluebear200 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:32 PM
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33. Something Strange Here
A couple of seemingly conflicting results from the poll:

"Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leak, according to a national poll released Tuesday."

"The poll was split nearly evenly on what respondents thought of Bush officials' ethical standards -- 51 percent saying they were excellent or good and 48 percent saying they were not good or poor."

This seems to imply that some 40-50% of the people think it's ok for the government to act illegally or unethically - go figure!

(I too agree that the way it is worded is rather clumsy - it took me several readings to understand that 90% thought Bushco had acted illegally or unethically.)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:10 PM
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37. Apparently the people being polled arent paying attention...
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OneForLuck Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:41 PM
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38. Every time I see one of these polls
I try to convince myself that I am not being desperately naive in believing that the American public is finally starting to see what we've always known. I think I'm finally starting to regain my faith in the wisdom of people. Now here's to hoping that we can hold onto the momentum leading up to the 2006 elections.... *sigh*
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