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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:33 PM
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LAT: Fitzgerald Focuses Again on Rove (new!)
Fitzgerald Focuses Again on Rove
By Tom Hamburger, Richard B. Schmitt and Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writers


WASHINGTON -- As his investigation nears a conclusion, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has returned his attention to White House adviser Karl Rove, interviewing a Rove colleague with detailed questions about contacts that President Bush's close aide had with reporters in the days leading up to the outing of a covert CIA officer.

Fitzgerald has also dispatched FBI agents to comb the CIA agent's residential neighborhood in Washington, asking neighbors again whether they were aware — before her name appeared in a syndicated column — that the agent, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.

The questioning, described by lawyers familiar with the case and by the neighbors, occurred as Fitzgerald was thought to be readying indictments in the long-running inquiry into the leak of Plame's identity. It is a felony to knowingly identify an undercover agent, and the renewed questions this week suggested that the prosecutor remained focused on the breach of that secrecy.

The inquiry has reached deep into the White House and focuses on Rove and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.

A deputy prosecutor called Rove's colleague this afternoon and interviewed him in depth about statements Rove may have made to reporters about the case, a lawyer familiar with the case said.

"It appeared to me the prosecutor was trying to button up any holes that were remaining," the lawyer said....


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-102505leak_lat,0,7947383.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:35 PM
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1. HAHAHAHA!!! Rove must have peed his pants by now
Oh, to be a fly on the wall at his house this merry Fitzmas Eve!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:39 PM
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6. I want Rove indicted more than any of them!
Can't get too excited here, though -- keep expectations down, breathe, breathe....
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:50 PM
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10. "Indict him like he's never been indicted before."
That crook needs to be taken down a peg.

As much fun as indictments and convictions would be, though, I really want, more than anything, to shine a light on the secret maneuverings and lies that took us to war--so that it never happens again.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:36 PM
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21. FFF...Fat Fuck needs to FALL.


At some point, Karma needs to kick in.

This fat pig has destroyed a LOT of lives.

HIS TURN.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:44 PM
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24. Can you imagine Karl's day today?
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 07:48 PM by Hardhead
Reporters at the foot of your driveway every morning before dawn, people hushed in your presence, the quick glance over their shoulders and the nervous whispers around every corner. Meeting with Libby and the Shiznit, nodding to Libby as though he wouldn't like to tear your throat out. And then, when you get home, someone you work with calls and says Fitzgerald and the boys have been around again, asking more questions about YOU...

On the Pucker Factor scale of 1-10, today is about a nine for Turd Blossom. And something about it all makes me think that Fitzgerald is still leaning on Rove. Maybe he's just wrapping up loose ends, but you know, it's got to be terrifying: almost as though Fitz is saying, "I'm coming for you, Karl, but I'm coming for you SLOW. First I'm wrapping up all the other presents. I'll get to you soon enough."
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:55 PM
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36. Oh very enjoyable. Thank you!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:33 PM
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49. Excellent, Hardhead. nt
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:03 PM
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60. haha another in the same series. begs for a caption me thread
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:01 PM
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29. Right there with you. All that Cheney talk made me fear that Kkkarl
gets a free pass...
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:51 AM
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55. me too!
He is the one I really want to see taken down and publicly humiliated. Given his pure emotional and moral sickness and after all of the harm he has done to others, it just seems..oh, I don't know...right.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:09 PM
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13. I am sure he lived up to his nickname
Turd Blossom....:hurts:
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:36 PM
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2. Wow
The agents nailing the story down will leave no spin room...
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:38 PM
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5. "They'll" smear fitzgerald
To be sure.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:21 PM
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42. With what?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:07 PM
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44. They have needed something special to smear someone ? ...
ALL they need is the desire to smear ... they have acolytes in the media to do the dirty deeds, gladly ....

How can you doubt that ?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:38 PM
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3. here's what the Wilson's neighbor said back in July
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-07-24-wilson-neighbor_x.htm

Posted 7/24/2005 8:45 PM

A neighbor's view of Valerie Wilson's 'outing'

By Christopher Wolf

Joe and Valerie Wilson are my next door neighbors in a hilly neighborhood just west of Georgetown. We moved in within months of each other seven years ago, attracted to our respective houses by the view of the Capitol in the distance and the Washington Monument in the foreground. The patriotic view is stirring.

I have another view from my window, of a neighbor who is a working, devoted mother of 5-year-old twins, a volunteer for charities, a woman active in her church, and a caring person. Soft-spoken, self-effacing and very private, Valerie is very easy to label "the lovely woman next door."

To some, I am known as Joe and Valerie's lawyer, a fact that has surfaced by my occasional statements on their behalf. The Wilsons don't need a lawyer for any pending proceeding; I am simply helping them understand some of the technicalities of the criminal investigation and collecting facts for any eventual civil suit. Before Robert Novak's column, I was simply their friend and neighbor, a role that will continue long after the White House leak matter is over.

...more...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:12 PM
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14. Great article!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:57 PM
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25. Yep, I remember his (Plame's lawyer) interview on TV. He so humble.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:15 PM
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39. it's clear the neighbors didn't know Plame was
a CIA operative. Dirty Repug bastards. INDICT AND IMPEACH!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:21 PM
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48. Great op-ed by Wilson's neighbor and civil lawyer
Thanks for posting it, UpInArms.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:08 AM
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58. Chris Matthews should have this guy on his show
Hit Tweety hard with his constant support of lies. The Cons keep plugging the 'every one knew about her! Wilson lied! his wife sent him' and he keeps saying, uh-huh...right.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:40 AM
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59. great article
I see flopsweat everywhere. Evil can not hid in darkness forever and I have my bottle of champagne ready for the big event.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:38 PM
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4. WOOHOO
Fitzgerald is closing in on Rove's lies!!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:40 PM
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7. I can't believe he's still working it! Come on, Fitz! nt
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:42 PM
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8. Thank goodness, I thought he was being forgotten for a moment!
I really want to see Rove marched off to jail. I do, I do, I do, I do...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:46 PM
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9. Bill Kristol predicted Rove would be indicted.
That was last night on The Daily Show, for what that's worth.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:59 PM
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27. Yah, lol, Bill Kristol....He's the #1 PNAC member. Whata a joke.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:59 PM
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11. Does anyone know what the significance of asking the neighbors
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 07:18 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
... if they knew that she was CIA prior to Novak's column, may be in regards to Rove?

Is this just to establish that it wasn't common knowledge?
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:16 PM
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15. Or that "Mr. X" is a neighbor? Surely not.
I saw interviews with close friends and neighbors who all said they had no idea Valerie was an agent.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:22 PM
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16. That's what I remembered, also
I wonder why Fitzgerald is touching on the topic again?

In regards to the Mr. X question... is Bolton one of their neighbors?

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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:40 PM
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23. Bolton does have his grubby, moustached fingerprints all over this,
doesn't he?

I feel he is to be indicted.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:26 PM
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17. Nail down statements to make sure indictments are solid?
My guess is that they are obtaining neighbors' statements to make sure the case is rock solid before indictments and to make sure indictments cannot be undermined and dismissed later by allegations that neighbors knew she was CIA before it was leaked by Novak.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:26 PM
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18. I'm sure it was just to see if people knew before the leak.
One of the rightwing's assertions has been periodically that "everyone" in Washington knew who his wife was.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:01 PM
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31. That's a pretty funny accusation--if it weren't so disgusting--that
"everybody knew" she was a covert agent, since these traitors were the ones who were blabbing it all over town themselves, calling at least six reporters to get her outed, and creating loops of advertisement of her covert identity, for instance, telling a reporter who she was, who would then call someone to confirm it, so that that person then knew, and might ask someone else about it. They created a self-fulfilling prophecy, probably hoping some would forget when they heard it, or from whom. I can see the trial now, with the Bushite defense team putting a string of bought and paid for Washington butterflies on the stand who claim they "always" knew.

As if that mattered. As if that means they are not guilty of planting her name--and the name of her entire CIA WMD monitoring and non-proliferation project, the Brewster Jennings front company--in the goddamned newspaper, disabling all of its projects and putting all of its covert agents and contacts around the world at serious risk of getting killed.

God, these people are scumbags! And our country is sick--sick!--from their twisted minds.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:17 PM
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40. He is just tying up loose ends, confirming that the whole
neighborhood was in the dark about her CIA work, and this will counter the meme that it was common knowledge that the was a spook. Just getting all his ducks in a row.......
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:03 PM
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12. Oy! I can barely keep everything straight!!
Anything bad for Rove makes me happy.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:01 PM
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28. Yep, five years of chaos!!!!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:30 PM
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19. Photo of rove today, speeding to the scene of the crime!


Karl Rove, President Bush's Deputy Chief of Staff, drives his car down his driveway as he leaves his home Tuesday morning, Oct. 25, 2005 in Washington. Top presidential political adviser Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, have emerged as central figures in the CIA leak investigation because they had contacts with reporters who learned Plame's identity or disclosed it in news stories. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:34 PM
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20. WP's Van de Hei told Matthews that agents were in Wilson's neighborhood
as recently as last night, trying to discern if her neighbors were aware that she was an agent. Very strange!

A year ago, reports were that her next door neighbor said he had no clue that she was CIA.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:40 PM
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22. Looks Like He's Going For A Royal Flush
and he will probably get it, too! Oh, I am on pins and needles. he waiting is such a sweet agony.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:59 PM
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26. ~he's making a list--cking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty and nice
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:04 PM
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32. Yup. here he is:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:29 PM
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35. LOL! n/t
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:01 PM
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30. I just read this from kos and it sums up perfectly what I modestly crave
I just want two indictments for Fitzmas: Libby and Rove. The rest, even people like Hadley, would just be window dressing.

http://www.dailykos.com/
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:07 PM
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33. "checking it twice" is right.
Fitz is well-known as a prosecutrer who crosses, ever T, dots every i, checks for dirty fingernails, and darns the socks before he goes foreward. This latest seems like just his modus operendi, or perhaps someone said "a neighbor" had said something contrary, so he was checking it out.

When the indictments come, no one....no one will be able to challenge their validity.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:19 PM
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34. Whew!! I was afraid Rove would be overlooked
We can't have that.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:11 PM
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37. Oh please indict Rove!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:12 PM
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38. Its the Cover up!!! Why did Rove lie??? Whats he hiding???
Why go in 4 times to testify??? Oh ya its Perjury and obstruction of justice!!!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:18 PM
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41. he's hiding the masterplan of PNAC
New World Order with BushCo as head of One World Government of, by and for the military-industrial-corporate-complex.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:49 PM
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43. Roll Call (via TPM): Fitz paid Rove's lawyer a visit today
(October 25, 2005 -- 09:38 PM EDT // link)
Roll Call (sub.req.): "Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was spotted Tuesday at the law offices of Patton Boggs paying a visit to Robert Luskin, the eccentric (for Washington, D.C.) lawyer who represents Karl Rove."

-- Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006835.php

No word on whether he left a letter :bounce:
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:11 PM
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45. NYT: Leak Counsel Is Said to Press on Rove's Role
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 09:53 PM by dajabr
WASHINGTON, Oct. 25 - With the clock running out on his investigation, the special counsel in the leak case continued to seek information on Tuesday about Karl Rove's discussions with reporters in the days before a C.I.A. officer's identity was made public, lawyers and others involved in the investigation said.

Three days before the grand jury in the case expires and with the White House in a state of high anxiety, the special counsel, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, appeared still to be trying to determine whether Mr. Rove had been fully forthcoming about his contacts with Matthew Cooper of Time magazine and Robert D. Novak, the syndicated columnist, in July 2003, they said.

Mr. Fitzgerald, who is the United States attorney in Chicago, spent the day in Washington and summoned his team, including his chief F.B.I. investigator, Jack Eckenrode, for what appeared to be a final round of discussions about how to proceed.

http://tinyurl.com/dk7n2

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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:11 PM
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46. looks like Rove lied
AGAIN
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:11 PM
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47. I hope Fitzgerald gives none of these traitors the benefit of the doubt.
Considering Rove's history of the politics of personal destruction, it is best to approach him with the idea that he is guilty. Period. He cannot be proven innocent, not if all the facts come to light. Rove has left a trail of destruction of careers and lives behind him. There's no way to believe that he would have stepped aside for Joe Wilson and let bygones be bygones.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:48 PM
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50. You and I might approach the situation that way,
but I'll bet Fitzgerald doesn't. He can't approach it that way and still remain the professional that he is.

This is going to be very interesting.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:58 PM
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51. I'm positive he doesn't approach it that way.
Whatever he does, it has to be beyond reproach.

That being said, no doubt in my mind that Fitzgerald knows exactly what kind of subhuman he is dealing with when he's in the presence of Karl Rove.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:46 PM
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52. My Special Prayer is,
That somehow Fitz ties in roves secret little plot to fix the Ohio and Fla. elections! I knew the fix was in, when it looked like the exit polls were right in Ohio, that Kerry was winning, and Rove got "physically ill" on his plane flight the evening before the final tabs were in! He's got to give the GAO something to back up thier latest findings.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:53 AM
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56. Whew! If they could tie in the election fraud,
that would be wonderful! I'm not holding my breath, but I would love to see that too!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:48 PM
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53. Time for the Karl Rove Frog March!

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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:45 AM
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54. Leak Counsel Is Said to Press on Rove's Role
With the clock running out on his investigation, the special counsel in the leak case continued to seek information on Tuesday about Karl Rove's discussions with reporters in the days before a C.I.A. officer's identity was made public, lawyers and others involved in the investigation said.

Three days before the grand jury in the case expires and with the White House in a state of high anxiety, the special counsel, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, appeared still to be trying to determine whether Mr. Rove had been fully forthcoming about his contacts with Matthew Cooper of Time magazine and Robert D. Novak, the syndicated columnist, in July 2003, they said. Mr. Fitzgerald, who is the United States attorney in Chicago, spent the day in Washington and summoned his team, including his chief F.B.I. investigator, Jack Eckenrode, for what appeared to be a final round of discussions about how to proceed.

Lawyers involved in the case have said Mr. Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, face the possibility of indictment on perjury or other charges related to covering up their actions.

The flurry of last minute activity had White House officials anticipating an announcement as soon as Wednesday about whether the prosecutor would seek indictments. Indictments of Mr. Libby or Mr. Rove or both would leave Mr. Bush a political crisis with the potential to reshape the remainder of his second term. It is not clear whether anyone else might be charged in the case, which centers on what role administration officials played in the disclosure of a covert C.I.A. officer's identity, first in Mr. Novak's column on July 14, 2003.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/national/26leak.html?hp&ex=1130385600&en=259c44f41c2ced58&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:54 AM
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57. "Karl Rove, Michael Ledeen Spies Procured Forged Niger Documents"
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 09:04 AM by Jose Diablo
From :

"Karl Rove’s only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilson’s CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who’s under charges of giving US secrets to Israel.

Karl Rove’s foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.

Michael Ledeen, Rove’s "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran.

George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency in 2000, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli."

Edit: There is a lot more in this article, I don't know if the site is 'reliable'.

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61. how i hope this sticks!
i hope these indictments hit rove like a TON of bricks and bring down ledeen and libby to with.

you know cheney's fingers are in this -- i hope they find his prints as well.
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