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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:01 PM
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Cuba Agrees to U.S. Offer of Hurricane Aid
Cuba Agrees to U.S. Offer of Hurricane Aid

By ANNE GEARAN
AP Diplomatic Writer

October 27, 2005, 1:39 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- Cuba has unexpectedly agreed to a quiet U.S. offer of emergency aid following Hurricane Wilma, and three Americans will travel to Cuba to assess needs there, the State Department said Thursday.

Washington has routinely offered humanitarian relief for hurricanes and other disasters in Cuba, and Cuban leader Fidel Castro himself has routinely turned the offers down. After Hurricane Dennis pummeled the island in July, Castro expressed gratitude for Washington's offer of $50,000 in aid but rejected it.

"This was the first time they have accepted an offer of assistance," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, at least based on the "collective memory" of diplomats at the department.

Washington sent a diplomatic note to Cuban officials on Tuesday, a day after day the storm pounded the island nation, offering to send emergency supplies. Cuba accepted the offer Wednesday, McCormack said.
(snip/...)

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-wilma-us-cuba,0,7320880.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:59 PM
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1. Wilma claims no lives on well-prepared Cuba
Wilma claims no lives on well-prepared Cuba

Castro's island people are taught how to cope in disasters
October 27, 2005

By Vanessa Arrington

Havana - Dozens of city blocks in the Cuban capital were immersed in sea water after Hurricane Wilma swept past en route to Florida - but not a single death was reported.

Around the Caribbean, Wilma was blamed for at least 22 deaths - five in Florida, 12 in Haiti, at least four in Mexico and one in Jamaica.

Part of the country's fortune could be because Wilma never made landfall here, but many credit the fact that people are instructed from an early age on moving quickly during disaster.

The United Nations has long praised Cuba's record in preserving lives during hurricanes that regularly batter the island
In the US it seems like there's more egoism
. When a tropical storm starts brewing in the Caribbean, a well-oiled hurricane-response machine clicks on in Cuba.

First there's the informative phase, in which state-run media broadcast frequent announcements about the storm's movement. Jose Rubiera, head of Cuba's National Meteorology Institute, starts making TV appearances, contributing to his near-celebrity status.
(snip/...)

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticleId=2968522
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 06:05 PM
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2. Kick!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 06:08 PM
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3. Good
Now maybe the US will accept the help of some doctors next time Cuba offers them.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 07:04 PM
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4. the US didn't need the doctors
that can't be said about Cuba and aid.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 08:49 PM
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6. Even if they did, FEMA wouldn't have let them into NO until it was
too late.

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:06 AM
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13. Tell that to the families of people who died.
Are you actually saying that doctors trained and with experience in disaster relief, equipped with medical supllies wouldnt have helped the people in New Orleans?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:15 AM
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14. Local Miami media reporting that 17 died from Wilma. Cuba had zero deaths.
Cubans do one of the best jobs of disaster protection and relief in the world. Been there, seen it.


DISASTER PLANNING ESSENTIAL FOR MINIMIZING RISKS
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/whatwedo/emergencies/asian_floods_2004/background/cubalessons
Oxfam America recently studied the experience of Cuba in its development of disaster prevention and mitigation programs. Situated in the Caribbean Sea, Cuba frequently stands in the way of serious hurricanes. While its neighbors are battered, losing lives and property, Cuba is unusually good at withstanding these calamities, and suffers much fewer dead.

Oxfam’s report, entitled Weathering the Storm: Lessons in Risk Reduction in Cuba cites a number of attributes of Cuba’s risk reduction program that can be applied by other countries. Three in particular are transferable to Asia and other regions:

# * Disaster Preparedness: Cuba was especially good at mobilizing entire communities to develop their own disaster preparations. This involves mapping out vulnerable areas of the community, creating emergency plans, and actually simulating emergencies so people can practice evacuations and other measures designed to save lives. When disaster strikes, people know what to do.

# * Commitment of Resources: Cuba’s strong central government prioritizes resources for its civil defense department. This helps the country to build up a common understanding of the importance of saving lives, and the citizens trust that their contributions to the government are well used for this purpose. Their collaboration on developing emergency plans helped build confidence in the government, so people trust in the plan they helped develop.

# * Communications: The communications system for emergencies in Cuba builds on local resources. Using local radio stations and other media to issue warnings on potential hazards also reinforces the disaster preparations. Since the local population is already involved in mapping risks and creating emergency plans, they are more inclined to act on emergency bulletins. Good communications, packaged simply, and built on existing, commonly used resources, is another way to build trust in disaster preparations.

Cuba is a unique example. There is a strong central government committed to protecting all its citizens, even the poorest and most isolated who are typically the most at risk. The most common natural disaster in Cuba is a hurricane, a threat visible for days and even weeks in advance. Yet building a culture of disaster preparedness, and involving local communities in mitigating risks, are strategies that can be applied in many other places, regardless of how rich or poor a country might be.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:33 AM
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17. so why are they accepting aid??
n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:39 AM
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18. Here's why..
Cuba to Let U.S. Officials Visit Country
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5376070,00.html
during a Thursday night television appearance, he made it clear that his idea in letting them visit was to discuss ways to improve disaster assistance among countries in the region.

``Cuba has not solicited international aid,'' Castro said during a regular public affairs problem, reading from the diplomatic note his country sent to the U.S. government accepting the visit.

``It shares, however, the point of view'' that countries in the region should ``provide each other with mutual assistance in situations of disaster.''

The State Department had announced earlier Thursday that Cuba agreed to let three U.S. Agency for International Development experts visit in a rare show of cooperation.



See? Cuba is trying to take the high road - again.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:31 AM
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16. what medical supplies??
the US had an abundance of doctors volunteering to help. the Cuban doctors were not needed.

what medical supplies could Cuba have brought that the US does not have??
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:46 AM
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21. Cuba has the highest ratio of Drs/citizen in the world
After the 1959 revolution
Cuba devoted 9.1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) during the 1990s to health care, roughly equivalent to Canada’s rate. Its ratio of 5.3 doctors per 1,000 people was the highest in the world.


_________________________________


From Zmagazine

How the Free Market Killed New Orleans*
By Michael Parenti

The free market played a crucial role in the destruction of New Orleans
and the death of thousands of its residents. Armed with advanced warning
that a momentous (force 5) hurricane was going to hit that city and
surrounding areas, what did officials do? They played the free market.

They announced that everyone should evacuate. Everyone was expected to
devise their own way out of the disaster area by private means, just as
the free market dictates, just like people do when disaster hits
free-market Third World countries.

It is a beautiful thing this free market in which every individual
pursues his or her own personal interests and thereby effects an optimal
outcome for the entire society. This is the way the invisible hand works
its wonders.

There would be none of the collectivistic regimented evacuation as
occurred in Cuba. When an especially powerful hurricane hit that island
last year, the Castro government, abetted by neighborhood citizen
committees and local Communist party cadres, evacuated 1.3 million
people, more than 10 percent of the country's population, with not a
single life lost, a heartening feat that went largely unmentioned in the
U.S. press.

On Day One of the disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina, it was already
clear that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of American lives had been lost
in New Orleans. Many people had "refused" to evacuate, media reporters
explained, because they were just plain "stubborn."

It was not until Day Three that the relatively affluent telecasters
began to realize that tens of thousands of people had failed to flee
because they had nowhere to go and no means of getting there. With
hardly any cash at hand or no motor vehicle to call their own, they had
to sit tight and hope for the best. In the end, the free market did not
work so well for them.

Many of these people were low-income African Americans, along with fewer
numbers of poor whites. It should be remembered that most of them had
jobs before Katrina's lethal visit. That's what most poor people do in
this country: they work, usually quite hard at dismally paying jobs,
sometimes more than one job at a time. They are poor not because they're
lazy but because they have a hard time surviving on poverty wages while
burdened by high prices, high rents, and regressive taxes.

The free market played a role in other ways. Bush's agenda is to cut
government services to the bone and make people rely on the private
sector for the things they might need. So he sliced $71.2 million from
the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers, a 44 percent
reduction. Plans to fortify New Orleans levees and upgrade the system of
pumping out water had to be shelved.

Bush took to the airways and said that no one could have foreseen this
disaster. Just another lie tumbling from his lips. All sorts of people
had been predicting disaster for New Orleans, pointing to the need to
strengthen the levees and the pumps, and fortify the coastlands.

In their campaign to starve out the public sector, the Bushite
reactionaries also allowed developers to drain vast areas of wetlands.
Again, that old invisible hand of the free market would take care of
things. The developers, pursuing their own private profit, would devise
outcomes that would benefit us all.

But wetlands served as a natural absorbent and barrier between New
Orleans and the storms riding in from across the sea. And for some years
now, the wetlands have been disappearing at a frightening pace on the
Gulf' coast. All this was of no concern to the reactionaries in the
White House.

As for the rescue operation, the free-marketeers like to say that relief
to the more unfortunate among us should be left to private charity. It
was a favorite preachment of President Ronald Reagan that "private
charity can do the job." And for the first few days that indeed seemed
to be the policy with the disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina.

The federal government was nowhere in sight but the Red Cross went into
action. Its message: "Don't send food or blankets; send money."
Meanwhile Pat Robertson and the Christian Broadcasting Network---taking
a moment off from God's work of pushing John Roberts nomination to the
Supreme Court---called for donations and announced "Operation Blessing"
which consisted of a highly-publicized but totally inadequate shipment
of canned goods and bibles.

By Day Three even the myopic media began to realize the immense failure
of the rescue operation. People were dying because relief had not
arrived. The authorities seemed more concerned with the looting than
with rescuing people. It was property before people, just like the free
marketeers always want.

But questions arose that the free market did not seem capable of
answering: Who was in charge of the rescue operation? Why so few
helicopters and just a scattering of Coast Guard rescuers? Why did it
take helicopters five hours to get six people out of one hospital? When
would the rescue operation gather some steam? Where were the feds? The
state troopers? The National Guard? Where were the buses and trucks? the
shelters and portable toilets? The medical supplies and water?

Where was Homeland Security? What has Homeland Security done with the
$33.8 billions allocated to it in fiscal 2005? Even ABC-TV evening news
(September 1, 2005) quoted local officials as saying that "the federal
government's response has been a national disgrace."

In a moment of delicious (and perhaps mischievous) irony, offers of
foreign aid were tendered by France, Germany and several other nations.
Russia offered to send two plane loads of food and other materials for
the victims. Predictably, all these proposals were quickly refused by
the White House. America the Beautiful and Powerful, America the Supreme
Rescuer and World Leader, America the Purveyor of Global Prosperity
could not accept foreign aid from others. That would be a most deflating
and insulting role reversal. Were the French looking for another punch
in the nose?

Besides, to have accepted foreign aid would have been to admit the
truth---that the Bushite reactionaries had neither the desire nor the
decency to provide for ordinary citizens, not even those in the most
extreme straits. Next thing you know, people would start thinking that
George W. Bush was really nothing more than a fulltime agent of
Corporate America.

-------
Michael Parenti's recent books include Superpatriotism (City Lights) and
The Assassination of Julius Caesar (New Press), both available in
paperback. His forthcoming The Culture Struggle (Seven Stories Press)
will be published in the fall. For more information visit:
www.michaelparenti.org .
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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #21
37. thanks for the article
and for fightin' the fight

mika rocks

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:55 PM
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38. He sure does. Mika knows whereof he speaks.
He has seen behind the Propaganda Curtain, unlike some Americans who simply swallow whatever they're told.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:42 PM
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24. Cuba offered 36 tons of disaster specific medicines within days
http://www.cubanow.net/global/loader.php?&secc=3&cont=show.php&item=614
This medical force.. includes:

---1,097 specialists in Comprehensive General Medicine, 600 of whom are pursuing Masters degrees in Medical Sciences;

---351 general practitioners and intensive care specialists;

---72 healthcare professionals with two medical specialties, and

---66 specialists in cardiology, pediatrics, gastroenterology, surgery, psychiatry, epidemiology and other specialties.

Of this medical force: 699 doctors have served in one or more international missions in 43 different countries, and some have even served in three missions, and 727 were ready and about to leave Cuba to serve in missions in Latin America, Africa and Asia; they joined this force in view of the dramatic situation unfolding in the southern United States, while other similar professionals will meet our internationalist commitment in other countries.

-

The EFE agency reports that in the Houston ’s stadium, in Texas , presently sheltering more than 15 thousand people evacuated from New Orleans , hardly three thousand have received medical care. Highly infectious diseases have been reported there while outbreaks of diarrhoea and vomiting threaten to quickly spread due to overcrowding.

Yesterday’s edition of the Washington Post reports that, at the moment, Mississippi’s chief needs are fuel and medical assistance.

-

The newspaper published declarations from Dr. Marshall Bouldin, Director for Diabetes and Metabolism at the University’s Medical Center in Jackson, Mississippi, who assistance: “We’re seeing things that we haven’t seen in many years: cholera, typhoid fever, tetanus, malaria. We hadn’t seen such conditions in 50 years. People are crammed together and wander around surrounded by excrement”.

There is an endless list of health problems reported by virtually all the press and the specialized health care institutions.

Our doctors’ backpacks contain precisely those resources needed to address in the field problems relating to dehydration, high blood pressure, diabetes Mellitus and infections in all parts of the body -lungs, bones, skin, ears, urinary tract, reproductive system- as they arise. They also carry medicine to suppress vomiting; painkillers and drugs to lower fever; medication for the immediate treatment of heart conditions, for allergies of any kind; for treating bronchial asthma and other similar complications, about forty products of proven efficiency in emergencies such as this one.

These professionals carry two backpacks containing these products; each backpack weighs 12 kilograms. Actually, this was determined when all of the backpacks were procured, since although they are quite large, only half of the supplies would fit in; it was then necessary to give each doctor two backpacks, and the small briefcase which carries diagnostic kits. These doctors have much clinical experience, this is one of their most outstanding characteristic, as they are used to offering their services in places where there isn’t even one X-ray machine, ultrasound equipment or instruments for analyzing fecal samples, blood, etc. With the increase in the number of doctors, the medications weigh a total of 36 tons.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:32 PM
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26. pure propaganda
“We’re seeing things that we haven’t seen in many years: cholera, typhoid fever, tetanus, malaria. We hadn’t seen such conditions in 50 years. People are crammed together and wander around surrounded by excrement”.


lol

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Maybe you could use a reading instructor.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 04:47 PM by Judi Lynn
You're making fun of someone who was qualified to know what he was talking about:
The newspaper published declarations from Dr. Marshall Bouldin, Director for Diabetes and Metabolism at the University’s Medical Center in Jackson, Mississippi, who assistance: “We’re seeing things that we haven’t seen in many years: cholera, typhoid fever, tetanus, malaria. We hadn’t seen such conditions in 50 years. People are crammed together and wander around surrounded by excrement”.
Perhaps, in your wisdom, you can explain where Dr. Marshall Bouldin was wrong.

Here's an article in which his same remarks appear:

Specialists warn of health disaster
By Scott Allen, Globe Staff | September 2, 2005

http://www.boston.com/news/weather/articles/2005/09/02/specialists_warn_of_health_disaster/

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. that didn't happen Judy Lynn, why do you want to mislead???
''We have the opportunity for things we haven't seen in many years -- cholera, typhoid, tetanus . . . malaria," said Dr. Marshall Bouldin IV, director of diabetes and metabolism at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, the state's only major teaching hospital. ''We haven't seen health conditions like these in 50 years. . . . People are crowded together and they're wading through sewage."

read that again Judy Lynn, we have the OPPORTUNITY for things...

that is the quote from YOUR link.
it DID not happen. You and Castro are misquoting and misleading.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:20 PM
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32. That was the information available WHEN THE SPEECH WAS MADE.
The following came from a former U. S. head of the Interests Section in Havana, Wayne S. Smith, ALSO written during that timeframe:
Bush held up Cuba help over politics
By Wayne S. Smith

September 13, 2005


What a shame. Not even in the face of the massive human suffering caused by Hurricane Katrina could the Bush administration put aside its knee-jerk rejection of anything coming out of Cuba. Only two days after the storm hit the Gulf Coast, the Cubans quietly offered humanitarian assistance. No response.

On Sept. 1, the Cuban National Assembly expressed solidarity with the American people and on Sept. 2, Fidel Castro publicly offered to send some 1,100 doctors, with 25 tons of medicines and medical equipment, to the devastated areas. They could be dispatched on Cuban aircraft immediately, he said, and to emphasize that they were ready to travel, the next day had them gather at the School of Public Health with their backpacks on. He also increased the number to 1,586 doctors and the medicines to 37 tons. Castro stressed that there was no political motive behind his offer. The U.S. and Cuba had disagreements, yes, but they should now call "a time out" to address this catastrophe.

Had there been any difficulty in sending the doctors on Cuban aircraft, Fort Lauderdale-based Gulfstream Airways had immediately offered to fly them all up free of charge. "I couldn't think of a better way to help our brothers and sisters on the Gulf Coast than to get these excellent Cuban doctors to them as quickly as possible," said CEO Tom Cooper.

Given the desperate situation on the Gulf Coast, one might have expected a rapid response from Washington, especially as MEDICC (Medical Education Cooperation With Cuba), a nonprofit association based in Atlanta, described the Cuban doctors as highly trained and noted that "Cuba's experience and expertise in disaster management is so relevant to the current crisis and its aftermath in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast."

And certainly the assistance was needed. Local TV channels in New Orleans were reporting people to be begging for doctors and any medical assistance they could get. A prominent New Orleans citizen, Randy Poindexter, who had been on Gov. Kathleen Blanco's delegation to Cuba some months ago, expressed appreciation for the Cuban offer and said that if it were up to the governor, the doctors, who were desperately needed, would already be there. It was the Bush administration, she said, that didn't want them in.

(snip/...)

http://ciponline.org/cuba/opeds/091605Smith.htm
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. I do not want to belabor this but again the problem was getting
access to the people or the people getting access to the doctors because of the flooding. the Cuban doctors could not have remedied that.

and Castro did the same thing with Hurricane Dennis and he did politicize that.

and you still misquoted that doctor, he said there was the "opportunity" for those diseases. it didn't happen because they got the people out of the city. again, the doctors could not have helped that either.

finally, what were the doctors supposed to eat, where would they sleep??? the idea was to get OUT of the city, not send more people in.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. If you want to tote Bush's and Brownie's water, go ahead.
Like Bush said to Brownie.. "yer doing a hell of a job". NOT!




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. It takes a real gusano contortionist to get around the truth, doesn't it?
It's absolutely clear. Trying to make it something other must be so time consuming.

We're seeing attempts to disrupt. Who has the time to hang around the opposition's message boards trying to tie up taffic?

Appreciate reading your comments, Mika.

I'm out for the evening, will check this thread later.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. nope, not a fan of fanatic Cubans in Florida but I'm no
fan of dictatorship either. I lived in South Florida for a year. the exile community is radical.

but if you want to believe that there were outbreaks of malaria and cholera in NO, well believe what you will.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. People weren't crowded together nor wading in sewage?
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 06:04 PM by Mika
You are dreaming, pal.

Even Bush's EPA says so.

http://www.epa.gov/katrina/testresults/water/#bio
To date, E. coli levels remain greatly elevated and are much higher than EPA’s recommended levels for contact. Based on sampling results, emergency responders and the public should avoid direct contact with standing water when possible. In the event contact occurs, EPA and CDC strongly advise the use of soap and water to clean exposed areas if available. Flood water should not be swallowed and all mouth contact should be minimized and avoided where possible. People should immediately report any symptoms to health professionals. The most likely symptoms of ingestion of flood water contaminated with bacteria are stomach-ache, fever, vomiting and diarrhea. Also, people can become ill if they have an open cut, wound, or abrasion that comes into contact with water contaminated with certain organisms. One may experience fever, redness, and swelling at the site of an open wound, and should see a doctor right away if possible.




Why are you trying to mislead/tote Bush&Brownie's water?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. oh, I didn't say that
I just questioned the quote from the doctor about the supposed outbreaks of cholera and malaria. needless to say if you go back and look at the link that Judy Lynn posted, it wasn't me who misquoted the doctor.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. Judi Lynn was right, maybe you could use a reading instructor
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 05:22 AM by Mika
Your comments in bold..


_________

your post #26
".. People are crammed together and wander around surrounded by excrement".

lol
______

your post #31
". . . . People are crowded together and they're wading through sewage."


it DID not happen
_________




I think that you need to go back and read your own comments that you posted.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. Medical supplies that could have saved lives.
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 01:49 PM by K-W
Cuba has a corp of doctors that are trained and equipped for mobility.

Of course there is plenty of medicine in our country, as well as plenty of doctors, many of which did or would have volunteered to help. This is completely irrellevant as the US did not have those doctors and equipment mobilized with airplanes fueled up ready to take them to New Orleans.

This is what Cuba offered, doctors trianed and equipped to deal with natural disasters, ready to board planes and fly to New Orleans.

Essentially you are suggesting that the victims of US disasters recieved all the medical care they could have needed/wanted. I hope you know that this is not the case.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. and how would you have gotten those doctors to NO
if the american doctors couldn't get there???

the navy even brought in a hospital ship.

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I wouldnt have gotten them anywhere. Cuba would have flown them.
if the american doctors couldn't get there???

What are you talking about? Some American doctors could get there, some couldnt. What does this have to do with anything?

The only way you can make your point is by proving that there were more than enough doctors available in New Orleans. Since we all know that isnt true, you dont have a point. The doctors from Cuba could have helped.

the navy even brought in a hospital ship.

So what?

One navy hospital ship means the medical needs of all of the victims were met?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. either the doctors have to get to the patients or the
patients have to get to the doctors. the US had plenty of doctors available. the people were stranded, there was no water, electricity, and much of the city was inaccessible due to flooding.

what could the Cuban doctors done about that??

there were in fact enough doctors, the loss of the infrastructure was the problem not the lack of physicians.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:42 AM
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19. I think what they were saying was that US HAD doctors like that
and medical supplies, and everything, FEMA just f*cked it up getting them there. Remember that ship? Trucks of ice? The problem wasn't that there weren't enough doctors in the US or ready to be sent from abroad, from countries other than Cuba
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:22 PM
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41. Yes they did
:eyes:
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 08:46 PM
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5.  "This was the first time they have accepted an offer of assistance," - BS
The so called "collective memory" of diplomats at the state department has had a stroke.

Cuba has accepted aid from the US, but here is one example of how the aid is politicized.


http://www.themilitant.com/1996/6042/6042_21.html
Many Cuban-Americans were uncomfortable with this act. A Cuban worker at Marino, a Miami sewing plant organized by the United Steelworkers of America, told fellow unionist Rollande Girard that she had planned to send three bags of food, after hearing the radio appeal. "But when she found out they were writing political slogans on the aid packages, she decided to send it some other way," Girard said in an interview. "Instead of giving it to La Cubanísima, she gave the aid to the Alliance of Cuban Workers in the Community (ATC)," a group of Cuban- Americans in Miami who oppose the U.S. embargo of the island. ATC is also sending hurricane relief. Havana returns provocative packages

While the Cuban government accepted most of the 75,000 tons of aid in the first shipment, it returned to Caritas about one fourth of the packages, which were covered with the most blatant counterrevolutionary slogans.

The Miami Herald and its Spanish-language edition El Nuevo Herald tried to paint the slogans as innocuous. "The boxes were marked by the contributors with the word `exile' and the phrase `Love can do anything,'" El Nuevo Herald claimed.

But Francisco Aruca, a radio commentator who opposes the U.S. embargo, exposed the truth on his daily program on WOCN. Aruca explained that many of the packages were marked PAL, the initials for Pan, Amor, y Libertad (Bread, Love, and Liberty) the slogan of an alliance of Brothers to the Rescue, the Association of Cuban American Veterans, and the Alliance of Young Cubans. These three groups organize activities aimed at overthrowing Cuba's revolutionary government.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 03:47 AM
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7. Thanks for throwing some light on that debacle, Mika.
I heard about it around 1999 or 2000. It was very, very dishonest, deceitful, and crude. Shameful. Shabby, and ugly.

I think it's great that people found out what those fools did. They are beneath contempt. Idiots. Clowns. Fools.

But let's not be blind to their faults! They're certainly not perfect.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:36 AM
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8. what is wrong with labeling the packages with the
name of the groups that sent them?????

apparently the Cuban government's main priority was not to provide aid to its people.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:23 AM
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9. Right. I'm sure the USA would accept aid from Al Queda or Hammas.
Apparently governments should accept "aid" from terrorist groups that have committed terra attacks against said country and its citizens and that are commited to overthrowing said governments.

Ok. :crazy:
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:31 AM
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10. Castro overthrew Cuba's government
OK??
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:59 AM
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11. The vast majority of Cubans overthrew the dictatorship, not Castro
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 09:01 AM by Mika
OK??


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It wasn't a one man army that attacked the Batista army barrack at Moncada.

Oh, BTW, Batista fled Cuba when he realized that the Cuban people were rising up in masses against his blood soaked US backed dictatorship.

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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:03 AM
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12. Wow, all by himself that's one bad ass Rambo type mo fo. n/t
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:05 AM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 11:43 AM
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20. I still can't believe Bush offered $50,000. That's insult to injury.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:07 PM
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22. Castro refused aid from US and the EU after Dennis
During an appearance on state television Monday night, President Fidel Castro said Cuba would accept no American assistance while the U.S. trade embargo of more than 40 years remains in place.

"We would never accept," said Castro. "If they offered $1 billion we would say no."

Nevertheless, the Cuban leader said, "we are grateful" for the offer.

Castro said the European Union could save its money as well because Cuba was only accepting humanitarian aid from "friendly" nations such as Venezuela. The South American nation sent two cargo planes loaded with food, medicine and other emergency aid to Cuba and Jamaica over the weekend.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2005/07/11/cuba_turns_down_us_hurricane_aid_offer/


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 12:11 PM
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23. We know. DU'ers discussed this when it happened. n/t
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