AP: Edwards works on possible bid in 2008

[highplainsdem]

http://www.newsobserver.com/24hour/politics/story/2852004p-11514935c.html


Edwards works on possible bid in 2008

By GLEN JOHNSON, ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER


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Altruism aside, the poverty work also provides Edwards a platform to maintain his political viability.

He spoke this year at the annual steak fry organized by Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin in first caucus state Iowa.

Also, Edwards has avoided making the pledge that Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., made after he and presidential nominee Al Gore lost the 2000 race to Republicans George W. Bush and Dick Cheney: Edwards refuses to declare that he will forgo his own White House bid in 2008 if Kerry decides to run again.

There is a simmering rivalry between the two, ignited by Edwards' postelection remarks in which he said he had unsuccessfully urged Kerry to fight back after the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in the summer of 2004 challenged Kerry's Vietnam record.

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[still_one]

1. sorry we need new blood, Edwards didn't even win his own state

[chimpymustgo]

3. First of all, they are still sorting out all the voter fraud in NC.

There was so much cheating, one statewide office was just decided about a month ago. NC was one of those states that Kerry/Edwards were leading all day - then the post 6:30 "miracle".

And yes - Edwards wanted to fight - not only against the Swiftboat b*llshit, but he wanted to contest the vote in Ohio - AT A MINIMUM.

Regardless of whether he runs again - and I hope he does - Edwards is working on behalf of people nobody else is even talking about. And he always has. His work as a trial lawyer was sticking up for people screwed and debilitated by corporations.

I love him, his wonderful wife, and his family. I do hope to see them in the White House.

[highplainsdem]

4. I agree with everything you said.

[Mass]

5. Let say that it would have been nice if AP had focused on what Edwards was

doing and the importance of his current job, rather than engaging in no-news and rags.

But I guess this is the price we have to pay with Glen Johnson, a patented idiot coming from the Globe.

Edwards's job on poverty is great. I love Elizabeth Edwards. For the rest, when will reporters come back to their job: news.

[I_am_Spartacus]

9. or at least tie the two together; I WANT a president who makes

this issue his mission. If we have people running in 2008 who don't think the most important issue is lifting up the poor so that we don't have such tremendous polarization of wealth, I'm going to be very upset.

So what's wrong about using this issue as a platform for anything?

[Mass]

16. Nothing, on the contrary .

[still_one]

6. big problem, Edwards voted to give bush the authority to go into Iraq

he hasn't said it was a mistake. Won't get my vote

Democrats need new blood and NOT just a happy message to win.

[Neecy]

7. If Edwards came out strongly against this war...

He'd get my primary vote. Not otherwise.

[chimpymustgo]

8. I agree. And I love the man. But he has to renounce that vote.

ANY member of Congress who does not - knowing what we know now (even if they fell for the okey-doke earlier) HAS to come out against the murderous farce.

The Democrats faced a unique pressure before that vote, orchestrated by Rove politically, then shored up with b*llshit by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Judy Miller, et al. They were not helped by weak Democratic leadership whose first inclination was to go along to get along.

I hope Edwards has seen the light. I am so glad he's out of that poisoned cauldron of Washington, and fighting for poor and middle class people. I have faith, and hope in him.

[still_one]

12. The key point is "knowing what we know now"

[Catchawave]

47. Agree. Just wish the current Congress

would find the cajones to address this NOW.

Maybe they'll find them since the MSM smells blood in the water over the Libby indictment.

[Centered]

95. renouncing a vote doesn't change the fact that they voted.

it's time for us to hold our elected officials accountable for their actions not just their words. By the same token we also need to let them know when they do something we agree with... you always hear when you do a bad job, not enough when you do a good one.

They all had access to the same intelligence and they all decided what to do about it. It's time for a change.... but we just keep on electing the same people. Maybe next time a "normal" person should get sent up there to remind them who their Base really is.

I'll never forget my Grandmother talking to my father once:

Son you should vote Democrat because they look out for the working man...

Mom someone who went to Harvard has no idea who the working man is... or what work actually is either.

[I_am_Spartacus]

10. Or if the differences between wealth and poverty become the frame

and he explains what's wrong with American foreign policy and the war in Iraq within that frame and is critical of the war that way, I'm not going to care about the IWR vote.

Just because, for example, someone criticized the IWR for a reason that I don't find relevant (ie, it didn't go far enough, or it was the wrong way to take over the Iraq oil fields) doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them.

For me, the cirticism of Iraq has to make sense in a bigger way: it's wrong because not only is it only designed to increase the differences in wealth and poverty between the US and Iraq, it's increasing the differences between the wealthy and the poor within the US and within Iraq. It's not about Democracy. it's not about fairness and justice.

[still_one]

13. Congress made a terrible error by giving bush that authority

Not only did they NOT do their job, but they violated the War Powers Act, and I believe the Constitution which only gives Congress the ability to declare war

Our founding fathers specifically want a balance of power, not what was done

I believe the IWR vote also gives this administration the right to go into any country they see as a threat without going through Congress

[yorkiemommie1]

61. i agree

completely.

[still_one]

11. Unless he renounces his vote, and indicates it was a mistake

I won't even consider him

[Catchawave]

48. Have any others "renounced their vote" ?

Just wondering :hi:

[Cha]

50. I know Tom Harkin has and

Richard Gephardt..there must be some others?

[Catchawave]

56. Good for them!

But renouncing votes won't really bring back the lost civilian and military lives :( I'd like to see more condemnation of the Bush Administration for misleading our country in the first place and then making us feel less patriotic for daring to question them! Not to mention they won 2004 with fear, loathing, guns, God and gays!

[karynnj]

72. Kerry in his Iraq speech

[IndianaGreen]

31. At least Edwards hasn't been going around regurgitating different

versions of stay the course or Iraqization.

Believe me, Edwards strongest suit is that he left the seduction and corruption of the Beltway. Edwards will be more in tune with what is happening between the coasts than his other rivals currently serving in the Senate.

[Cha]

51. Very "Appealing"!

The man was smart to do that..and his wife is amazing!

[IndianaGreen]

70. Maybe it is because the Edwards look and act like real people

and they don't talk down as if they were perched on top of Mount Olympus as another Presidential pretender whose name I shall not mention.

[noahmijo]

19. I agree with everything you said cept I still prefer him as a VP

I still see him as the perfect VP though. I still weep to this day at the thought of everything he could've done as VP and how cool it would've been to see him be on the ground in New Orleans even before Kerry would show up (he wouldn't be far behind)

I do believe Edwards actually cares about the people especially those in the lower and middle classes. He knows from experience what it's like to struggle.

[Catchawave]

52. Edwards/Warner would be a good ticket.

And easy on the eyes too:

Marky-Mark!


Courtesy of Virginiawines.org

Go Johnny Go!


Courtesy of Dickinson.edu

:loveya:

[barb162]

60. I love this guy; if the Democrats would have fought back tough

against that swiftboat crap (gone on the offense, attacked the Bush war record, etc) like Edwards wanted, we probably would have won the 2004 election. I hope he runs.

[Andromeda]

82. John Edwards is wonderful...

I have so much respect for him, his wife and children. He does good works, is honest and sincere and I believe he'd be a great candidate.

I remember that he DID want to fight all the Swiftboat crappola but apparently it wasn't his call to make.

I'd LOVE to shake the hand of the person who told Kerry to ignore it, NOT!

[blm]

15. I believe we DID win NC. And Glen Johnson is a Dem hater who would like

nothing more than to keep Dems divided by exaggerating differences and minimizing agreements between allies.

[JudyM]

92. Better than Kerry. At least Edwards wanted to fight at the end. n/t

[Mass]

2. Who cares - Glen Johnson could move on, That would be nice.

Stating the obvious when it comes to Edwards is not news.

[usregimechange]

14. He is on the top of my list.

[99Pancakes]

17. Mine, too.

The more I learn about Edwards, the more I like him. As a devout Dem, I will, of course, go for whoever we decide on, but I'll be backing Edwards in the primaries.

[Little Star]

42. He's my guy in the primaries

Actually he was almost my guy in 2004 but I thought more Dem's would want Kerry. So I went Kerry and never regretted it until he didn't fight the fraud. I can think of nothing that I don't like about JE except he needs to change his toon about Iraq. If he doesn't then I'll find another my person. I wrote Elizabeth and told her he needs to admit that was wrong and that he should have never been for it.

[Democat]

18. I like Edwards, but he's already lost once, we need someone new

Sorry, but Kerry, Gore, Edwards, and Hillary are all damaged goods.

[I_am_Spartacus]

23. It's a good thing people didn't think like that about FDR.

He was VP on a losing ticket and then came back to win four elections in a row at the top of the ticket.

[Catchawave]

45. Also Reagan and Nixon were early "losers"

Of course, Nixon lost to JFK after serving two terms as VP. Reagan ran in the primaries twice before finally getting the nom in '80.

GWB couldn't even get elected to Congress, things changed when he met Karl Rove! The rest is history :(

[Robert Oak]

20. Primary shapes platform

Edwards would be good to get some focus on poverty and maybe the Democrats might actually start putting together a platform
that is for Americans.

Anything to get rid of Republican lite.

[Catchawave]

53. Min. Wage initiative on several states' ballots in '06 !

More info here:

http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/minimumwage/

[Robert Oak]

81. Extremely cool favor request

I don't suppose you could post this in our forum with a little blurb
plus the link.

That is something I'd like to promote and make folks aware of it.

forum.noslaves.com

[Catchawave]

84. Help spread the word !

By all means you can post the link at your forum and encourage everyone there to pass it along :hi:

[Robert Oak]

94. I was requesting you to do it n/t

[Moloch]

21. Edwards flopped horribly in his VP bid...

Couldn't even win a debate with Evil Dick.

We need somebody new, Edwards couldn't even win his home state.

[I_am_Spartacus]

24. After doing so well in primaries, who's to blame for him

not winning the election for the ticket in the general election?

BTW, besides you, who thinks he lost the debate? The National Review?

[Catchawave]

28. Polls were divided over the winner,

CBS News' poll specifically focused on uncommitted voters and found 41 percent deemed Edwards the winner, 28 percent chose Cheney, and 31 percent said it was a tie. CBS based its poll on a "nationally representative sample of 178 debate watchers ... who are either undecided about who to vote for or who have a preference but say they could still change their minds."

Other results here:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.main/

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The incumbent VP should have made it a slam dunk :shrug:

[Moloch]

32. Personally, I feel that Edwards won...

but I don't think he did a really good job of connecting with the average voter's concerns. I think, considering how unlikable Cheney is, Edwards should have made the debate a slam dunk. I mean, here's one of the greatest trial lawyers in the country up against the public face of Halliburton. I was so disappointed with this debate and I really feel Edwards let us down.

[surfermaw]

37. Hard for any Democrat on National Ticket in N.C To Win

It is hard for any democrat to win on a National Ticket in North Carolina....I think the next Presidential Election, we may see a Democrat win...More and More, you hear a few Republican angry at Bush and the Republicans, many of the old Republicans vote as daddy did, is now in a lower class than daddy...Daddy was a big time farmer or grandpa was, now daddy's land is gone and many are drooping in the lower or middle class, and these gas prices and heating prices are getting them a little angry with Bush's Republicans, remember they lived to good time under Clinton.

Only thing I saw wrong with Edwards , is he now needs to get a little deeper on his speeches..And some of you are right, I knew when Edwards and Kerry voted for the war..they had stepped in it. My dad was a political adviser in the FDR to Carter days. (Small time Adviser0 but some times I know the score right off the bat.

[DiverDave]

64. Did you see the same debate I did?

he absolutely kicked dicks ass.
I voted for him in the primary and will again.

[GreenArrow]

22. "Edwards works on possible bid in 2008"

I'd rather he worked on his garden.

[MarsThe Cat]

25. NO, thanks...

a one-term pretty-boy senator who quits after that one term...?
I don't think so.

Edwards is on my very short list of Candidates I will NEVER vote for for POTUS. and ALL the names on that list are affiliated with the DLC.

[Erika]

26. Edwards SHOULD be the nominee

He's the only one out there with the charisma and that's only one of his positive attributes.

[Catchawave]

27. Agree...charisma w/brains too !

...and Elizabeth is our bonus :hi:

[99Pancakes]

59. Agree here, too.

The ability to connect with ordinary people is very important. He is a great communicator. He is intelligent, hard working and compassionate. He has suffered through hardships, and understands pain....he is my choice in 2008. He only lacked name recognition.

btw, Elizabeth is a PLUS.

[high density]

29. He's a total dud

I wish he'd do us all a favor and just step aside permanently. I've already heard his single stump speech about a dozen times and I don't care to hear it again. America doesn't want to hear it again, either. Too much wishy washy feel good faux concern emanates from him. I want somebody who actually believes in what they're saying.

[Catchawave]

44. You should visit his website then....

...lots of good information here:

http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/

[paparush]

68. I'm Saying this as a longtime NC Dem-

Edwards should forgoe a presidential bid. Instead, he should use his clout and years of legal experience to focus on verifiable voting standards.

Unless we take back the right to vote, do away with unverifiable, insecure, electronic voting, we will NEVER have another fair election. The Repugs know this. The Repugs are banking on this.

Edwards should take up the banner and rally the troops around this one issue.

He should hammer this point over and over and over and over and over!!!!

THAT would be a good use of his time, energy and resources!

[laureloak]

91. He was the ONLY primary candidate that had a plan.

That puts him way out in front of the other Dems as far as I'm concerned.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Edwards will offer a fresh and vigorous campaign and...

having been out of the Beltway these past four years is an asset IMHO.

[ninkasi]

38. I like him because of his stance on trying to get rid of poverty

That's a huge issue for me, and should be for all of us. As VP candidate, Edwards probably didn't call the shots in the Kerry/Edwards campaign. He might have had some input, but he didn't make the final decisions.

He's much more appealing to me than Hillary. I respect her, but has she ever been outspoken about the same issues Edwards is? I also like that the fought for the average guy against giant corporations who had committed crimes.

[NVMojo]

33. Go, Edwards! An honest man.

[I_am_Spartacus]

34. Latest Pew Survey: John Edwards Has Greatest Crossover Appeal

According to the most recent survey from the Pew Research Center, which took a nationwide sample of 2,006 adults, 18 years of age or older, from October 12-24, 2005:

"Among possible Democratic candidates, former Sen. John Edwards has the greatest crossover appeal?. He is viewed favorably by 85% of Democratic voters who can rate him, 68% of independents, and 48% of Republicans."

Link to article: http://people-press.org/reports/print.php3?PageID=1010

Quote above it is from http://blog.oneamericacommittee.com

[Erika]

35. Go!!! John & Elizabeth!

So refreshing after W and Laura!

[jazzjunkysue]

49. Go Johnny! I think he's our only hope. Go Johnny!

:toast:

[Catchawave]

54. Yep, found that out working on his primary!

It wasn't about Democrats and Republicans and Independents, it was about The Man and His Message. He was a Rock Star!

[MasonJar]

36. Has anyone heard recently how Elizabeth Edwards is faring?

[UDenver20]

39. Thank God.... Another Option

At least we've got someone else to talk abut besides HRC and Kerry.

[IndianaGreen]

40. ABH

Anybody but Hillary!

[Trajan]

41. I am DELIGHTED that John Edwards wishes to run ....

I would gladly support him and campaign for him, just as I did last time ....

The man has passion for his fellow citizens, particularly those on the bottom rungs of the ladder ... His optimism WILL deliver in this time of need ....

The man is clean as a whistle .... His oration is quite special and his appeal wide ....

I WILL vote for Edwards, should he run ....

[laureloak]

43. Good, but he needs to shake the Jimmy Carter image. n/t

[Catchawave]

55. I worked on Carter's campaign....

We really needed him post Nixon/Ford/Viet Nam to heal America. So if that's what it takes, it may be a good thing :hi:

[laureloak]

93. Nonetheless Carter came across as weak and indecisive. n/t

[goforit]

46. Just don't hook up with Kerry and drop the broken record talk.

[JJackFlash]

57. He needs to lose the heavy drawl

I'm tired of politicians who sound like they have a mouthful of sorghum.
I want to see President-Elect Al Gore run again ... maybe the media won't be so set against him this time.

[MarsThe Cat]

58. Why are we even concerned about a 2008 nominee at this point?

shouldn't we be focused on 2006?
at this point in 1989, how many people outside arkansas had even heard of bill clinton..?

[Catchawave]

62. Cuz til someone better comes along between

now and 2008, Edwards has my primary vote :hi:

Remember Jimmy Who? Bill Who? I sure do :) til then.......

[MarsThe Cat]

63. NOBODY can have your primary vote-

until:
A. they're a candidate

B. there's a primary, or even a primary scheduled.

2006 is what's important now, and if john edwards was seriously interested in "public service" he'd be a candidate for something. in 2006.
or he might have even considered running for re-election for his original job when he had the chance.

personally, i can't support a pretty-boy quitter.

[chimpymustgo]

65. JRE IS doing "public service". Odd you would think you have to

sit at a desk in the Capital (national or state) to do "public service".

I'd say being out among the people is much more effective - and refreshing. He's a handsome man - but he's so quitter. You really should learn more about the man before making such ignorant statements.

JRE has been fighting his entire life - and he's not stopping now.

[Catchawave]

66. He's got the Florida GOP's attention :)

They issued a statement after a speech there recently where he:

He took a handful of swipes at the Bush-Cheney administration that defeated him and his running mate, U.S. Sen. John Kerry, in November. He referred to "that mess that's going on in Iraq right now" and condemned the government's "slow and ineffective" response to Hurricane Katrina.

...snip...

The former U.S. senator from North Carolina called for racial and economic integration in neighborhoods, a higher minimum wage, housing vouchers and expanded college scholarships. He also urged FAMU students in the audience to do volunteer work.

... Within hours of the speech, Florida's Republican Party issued a statement defending President Bush's commitment to a "compassionate conservative agenda," citing his support for Medicare prescription-drug coverage for seniors and affordable-housing grants.

"Our wish is that John Edwards and the Democrats would work in bipartisan fashion toward these goals instead of continuing to obstruct great progress," party spokeswoman Camille Anderson said.

from: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-edwardsfla102805,0,5578865.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

[MarsThe Cat]

67. really...what elected position does he hold?

or- failing that
what government entity is he currently on the payroll of?

i DO agree with you on one thing though:
"He's a handsome man - but he's so quitter..."

EXACTLY- he's SO a QUITTER!
he had the opportunity to run for re-election to the u.s.senate, but he QUIT!
he had the chance to FIGHT the 2004 election fraud/theft- but he QUIT!

he's SO quitter- you NAILED it there!

[Catchawave]

69. Worst "typo" rant ever....LOL....n/t

[chimpymustgo]

71. NO QUITTER NO QUITTER NO QUITTER NO QUITTER.

But anybody following this knows that - and can overlook the typo.

Hope everyone had a great Halloween!

[99Pancakes]

73. We all understand that 2006 is important--duh!

So what's wrong with a bunch of forward looking Democrats dreaming of an Edwards Presidency? I'm working my a-- off in California for the November 8th Not-so-Special-Election. Muscle Boy is trying a power grab in our very Blue State. Even 2006 is far away for a Californian afraid of Schwarzenegger's Union busting tactics. NOW is important....dealing with Alito NOW is important....

Happy Edwards thoughts lift my morale during this edgy time--is that so bad?

:patriot:

[MarsThe Cat]

74. whatever floats your boat-

as for me- if we have another DLC dreamticket in 2008, I'm staying home.
edwards, hillary, kerry- i can't see myself ever supporting any of those 3, in any combination, on any Democratic ticket.

[I_am_Spartacus]

75. The National Association of Manufacturers told Kerry not to

pick Edwards as VP.

The NAM has all the same interests the DLC has.

I don't recall the DLC being at all enthusiastic about Edwards and I'm willing to take the open hostility by free trade supporters like the NAM as a fair proxy for the sentiments of the DLC.

If you have evidence that suggests the DLC does like Edwards, I'd love to see it.

[MarsThe Cat]

76. Real Solutions For America, campaign booklet by John Edwards, 2003

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Edwards_Principles_+_Values.htm

Member of Democratic Leadership Council.
Edwards is a member of the Democratic Leadership Council:

Mission
The DLC’s mission is to promote public debate within the Democratic Party and the public at large about national and international policy and political issues. Specifically, as the founding organization of the New Democrat movement, the DLC’s goal is to modernize the progressive tradition in American politics for the 21st Century by advancing a set of innovative ideas for governing through a national network of elected officials and community leaders.
Who We Are
The Democratic Leadership Council is an idea center, catalyst, and national voice for a reform movement that is reshaping American politics by moving it beyond the old left-right debate. The DLC seeks to define and galvanize popular support for a new public philosophy built on progressive ideals, mainstream values, and innovative, non bureaucratic, market-based solutions. At its heart are three principles: promoting opportunity for all; demanding responsibility from everyone; and fostering a new sense of community.

Since its inception, the DLC has championed policies from spurring private sector economic growth, fiscal discipline and community policing to work based welfare reform, expanded international trade, and national service. Throughout the 90’s, innovative, New Democrat policies implemented by former DLC Chairman President Bill Clinton have helped produce the longest period of sustained economic growth in our history, the lowest unemployment in a generation, 22 million new jobs, cut the welfare rolls in half, reduced the crime rate for seven straight years, balanced the budget and streamlined the federal bureaucracy to its smallest size since the Kennedy administration.

Now, the DLC is promoting new ideas -- such as a second generation of environmental protection and new economy and technology development strategies -- that is distinctly different from traditional liberalism and conservatism to build the next generation of America’s leaders.

[I_am_Spartacus]

79. Uhm, that's not from his campain booklet.

That's a third party website that summarizes the candidates positions. If you look closely, the quote is from the DLC website. Remember how the DLC said Obama was a member even though he wasn't?

Also, remember that Howard Dean was not only a member of the DLC, he was the head of the DLC's governors candidates recruitment committee.

It's one thing to be a member. It's another thing for the DLC to want you to be president.

Do you have any evidence that the DLC even liked Edwards, or that he ever embraced any position that the DLC embraces, like free trade at all costs or pro-corporate domestic policies?

[MarsThe Cat]

87. you're right- the info is from the DLC website-

so- the DLC says that John Edwards is a member...
you say he's not affiliated...

who to believe...hmmmmmm.
i gotta go with the DLC. -unless of course you can provide some documentation that says that he ISN'T a DLC guy? because if the DLC claims him as a member- i gotta think they'd know.

[I_am_Spartacus]

90. I'm not saying he wasn't a member. You need to read.

What did I say?

I said that Dean was member. In fact, he was an active participant taking on responsiblity for finding governor candidates the DLC would approve of.

But that doesn't mean the DLC wanted him to be president.

The DLC said that Obama was a member when he wasn't. Obama then went around telling people he stands for the opposite of what the DLC stans for. That didnt' stop the DLC spokespeople from going around trying to tell the world that Obama is a great "new democrat" on shows like Charlie Rose without acknowleding the philosophical differences.

Look, being on their list is one thing. But the DLC believes in something and they're very manipulative and deceptive about cloaking their policy goals in progressive-sounding statements. They like the corporations and they like the free trade primarily.

Now, who are the candidates they like and support and who support them? Is Edwards one of those candidates? If he is, the least you could do is provide a REAL argument that that's the case.

All you've provided is a falsification.

Again, why did you attribute that quote to Real Solutions? Why was the only thing you edited out the correct attribution?

[I_am_Spartacus]

80. I want to add that it's disingenuous of you to falsely attribute that

quote, and then quote so much of it but leave out the attribution part at the bottom.

In fact, the only thing you left out was: "Source: Democratic Leadership Council web site 01-DLC0 on Nov 7, 2000"!

Surely you didn't miss the attribution to the DLC website.

And of all things to pick as your attribution, why did you pick Real Solutions?

[MarsThe Cat]

85. i googled it.

that's how i picked it. it was the first listing of over 119,000 docs for "john edwards + DLC".
if you don't think that john edwards is dlc-related, you haven't been paying much attention thru the years.

[I_am_Spartacus]

88. Again: it's not from Real Solutions, as you claimed. You falsely

attributed the source and the only thing you left out of your snippet was the correct attribution -- that was a quote of the DLC praising itself and trying to cover up what they actually care about.

Did google tell you to do that?

I also googled. It's my understanding that the DLC has two conventions a year. Edwards attended one of them in six years. His speech at that convention in 2002 was about corporate responsibility.

The essence of the DLC is couching pro-corporate pro-free trade policies in progressive-sounding arguments. They'll praise Democrats for saying good things -- things that everyone will agree are good, like shifting the tax burden off of income earned from work -- but what they seem to care the most about is cloaking pro-free traders and pro-corporate Dems in progressive clothing. That is not Edwards, as far as I can tell.

I assume that that's what you found as well, because if you could have done better you wouldn't have had to make such an misleading and disingenuous post.

If you think Edwards is DLC you should be able to come up with a better argument.

[MarsThe Cat]

86. self edit-

[flaminbats]

77. I agree that Democrats now must focus on winning in 2006

A quitter would of said "the hell with anyone I love"..while remaining in politics, but Edwards' wife had cancer at the end of the last election. If you can't trust your spouse, then who can?

The pretty-boy quitters included Jeb Bush, Tom Delay, and Bill Frist. don't hurt their frail wittle feelings!! :cry:

[anotherdrew]

78. edwards will never be president

only the richest most powerful democrat in the country could become president. Oh wait... there aren't any such people! Folks better hope we sweep up house and senate seats state and federal or some rethug in 2008 will surely come along saying he'll fix dubya's mistakes. And the sheeple will go for it, just like always and vote fraud will be enough to make sure. Sorry, but I'm feeling very pessimistic lately.

We're going to need all branches of government if we expect to reform things in time. It can't go like Clinton's first two years next time. Fairness doctrine needs to go back in place. Partisan spin networks like fox and clear-chanel are going to HAVE to be dealt with. It's not democracy if only one group can get it's message out to the mass population. And it's not so simple as just 'a message'. For decades they've been pushing a terrible psychological warfare operation from all angles. It comes at people from so many different angles, if a person isn't watching out for it... doesn't fight it by seeking out another way in old books and such... it becomes the very colors with which they paint their view of the world, it seeps in from childhood, we've got almost two (short) generations of kids who have never seen a country run by "liberals" with adequate governmental revenue. All they've heard all their lives is rethug spin. A few escape it, but not enough.

It's going to take years to recover, if it can even be done. The US may be irredeemably broken already. The worst people have almost all the money, power and media. There's a lot of the population that directly lives from rethug money too, they spend billions of dollars to make sure that they have millions of people who KNOW that their career/livelihood depends on rethugs maintaining power. They know, help and protect their own, in business and elsewhere.

In the end, we must not simply vote these people out of public office, we must run them out of business, ruin them; let these criminals who have nearly destroyed this country pay the price for such actions. We were not meant to live in a nation ruled by blind corporations, mad preachers, high grand lier's and all their quivering servants.

[CRK7376]

83. Fantastic!

Go Edwards Go. NC is definitely ready to have a common sense guy represent us in DC. We have two knuckleheads there already in Dole and Burr....Go Edwards Go!

[kurth]

89. Why can't Democrats follow Gore's example

and denounce the liar-in-chief as a public danger and Iraq as a fraud?

[GetTheRightVote]

96. I saw him speak in public down in Florida, he is really good

Young looking as well, I believe he has a fresh face.
But jokes aside I would like his blood in the fight again.

As well as Gore, my first choose either way.

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