Cervical Cancer Vaccine Gets Injected w/ Social Issue(might encourage sex)

[DeepModem Mom]

WP: Cervical Cancer Vaccine Gets Injected With a Social Issue
Some Fear a Shot For Teens Could Encourage Sex
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 31, 2005; Page A03


A new vaccine that protects against cervical cancer has set up a clash between health advocates who want to use the shots aggressively to prevent thousands of malignancies and social conservatives who say immunizing teenagers could encourage sexual activity.

Although the vaccine will not become available until next year at the earliest, activists on both sides have begun maneuvering to influence how widely the immunizations will be employed.

Groups working to reduce the toll of the cancer are eagerly awaiting the vaccine and want it to become part of the standard roster of shots that children, especially girls, receive just before puberty.

Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage. Several leading groups that promote abstinence are meeting this week to formulate official policies on the vaccine....

***

The jockeying reflects the growing influence that social conservatives, who had long felt overlooked by Washington, have gained on a broad spectrum of policy issues under the Bush administration. In this case, a former member of the conservative group Focus on the Family serves on the federal panel that is playing a pivotal role in deciding how the vaccine is used....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000747.html

[mb7588a]

1. what next? "Turn your head and cough?" is out too? nt.

[JerseygirlCT]

91. No. Male sexuality is just boys being boys don't you know

(unless they like other boys, of course). Females must be controlled, at all costs.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Oh holy fuck!! This disease is passed to women from men

Conservatives ought to deal with the fucking men instead of potentially blocking a vaccine that would prevent cancer in women.

[kikiek]

11. Exactly!

[shanti]

37. and that shows you exactly

how they feel about women. we are nothing but chattel to them. FUCK THEM!

[oneold1-4u]

50. Conservatives are MEN

Any other conservatives are the women that believe they (men) could never possibly even look at any other woman! Men find it very hard to believe any action of the male is ever harmful, be it abuse of wife, child, mother, nun, or right up to even murder of the female.
Just check out history for this truth of the worst miscarriages of justice right here and the world!

[VegasWolf]

3. The religious will be the death of this country. nt

[triguy46]

65. or at least a lingering malignancy. n/t

[saigon68]

68. A legacy of TALIBORN again Fundy Nut-Jobs

amerika = land of religios whack-jobs

[Ladyhawk]

90. i am SO fucking sick of fundies.

Today I was out and about collecting pieces to put together a couple of fans for the north bridge of the nForce2 chipset in my uncle's computer. Everywhere I went, I heard conversations about "god" and "church." In this county, there are very, very few liberal churches.

I was born and raised here and now I feel like I don't belong.

LH

[msongs]

4. Hi, god has punished me w/cervical cancer. wanna have sex ? nt

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. I am so sure

that worrying about cervical cancer has kept knees closed for centuries.

Yeah, right.

Didn't bother ME any!

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Good one, TallahasseeGrannie!

[Spinzonner]

7. Going out to dinner encourages sex

Better ban it

[bettyellen]

25. being nice to someone can make you seem lovable

better stop that shit right now.

[JudyM]

71. Having a conversation with a guy is as good as an invitation

to have sex. No more talking between the sexes!

[elehhhhna]

8. My neighbor died a horrible death July -04 from fuckin cerv. cancer.

Tell her 2 children, 14 & 12, why it should not be prevented.

Focus on the Family is a fucking terrorist organization.

[givemebackmycountry]

13. BINGO

I could not have said it better myself.

Someone had better stand up to these sick, sick, bastards.

If the Democratic party doesn't do it, than I say THE HELL WITH ALL OF THEM!

I AM SICK OF THIS SHIT!

Keep your freaking Bible out of our schools, our hospitals, our bedrooms, and OUR BODIES!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

76. Just nominated them for the Top 10 Conservative Idiots

Should get a lot of "just plain evil" icons. http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/nominate.html

[Caoimhe]

85. what is the noodly appendage?

I am so curious

[jmowreader]

86. The "noodly appendage"...

is the hand of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

When the fundies invented "intelligent design" as a way to get the Book of Genesis taught in science classes (because the Bible is just so scientific, y'know?) a scientist posited that the Earth was created by a flying spaghetti monster.

Now Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is kind of a running joke on the Internets. People who call themselves Pastafarians are praising this flying spaghetti monster...it's all in great fun.

[Caoimhe]

87. omg *snort*

now I get it. That is hilarious. Yeah, I'd been seeing it a lot on the internets too. :bounce:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

89. Got it? Well, get it MORE!

http://www.venganza.org

[Gman]

9. That is friggin' sick

Let a woman die of cancer.

The thing is, they need the vaccine even if they're married.

[HockeyMom]

16. Tell me about it

According to their sex education, if you are faithful in marriage that solves ALL PROBLEMS. You won't need contraceptives and you won't get any sexual diseases. Wanna buy a bridge?

[Karmadillo]

10. There really should be a limit to how much of this fundamentalist shit

we are willing to put up with.

[JudyM]

72. It's got to get so bad that it slaps the moderates in the face. n/t

[Chan790]

12. Isn't the easiest solution

to group it into a multi-vaccine like the MMR shot that was created because certain people thought that vaccinating chidren against the measles was a bad idea (because measles infection creates immunities that the vaccine does not) but that not vaccinating against rubella and mumps was a worse idea.

[Chan790]

17. Mark that, Banning X-nity is the easiest solution.

n/m

[shenmue]

14. Uh...

Being a teenager itself kind of encourages sexual activity.

You mean...people have sex? I'm shocked! I'm appalled!

Why don't these histrionic fundamentalists stop trying to force their beliefs on all people, since they don't speak for all, and let families deal with young people on their own?

:wow:

Also, vaccinations might keep people from dying.

Now we wouldn't want that, would we? No, we've got to be stern and domineering and insist that teenagers will, uh, just stop doin' it.

Yeah. That's reality.

There will be a sudden wave of people who hold off until their first marriage, probably sometime between the ages of 25 and 35.

Right!

And pigs can fly!

God, denial is stupid.

I think these pinheaded ultra-conservatives deliberately want to pick a standard so unrealistic it is bound to fail. Then they can whine about how it must be everyone else's fault.

Know how my parents kept me aware of this issue? They talked to me every day. Didn't spend one minute relying on some stupid meddlesome group of cranks.

I'd wager the majority of spread of STDs occurs in adults anyway. So why are we turning everything about kids into a big scary rigamarole?

It's nice to blame kids. Then you can feel smug about yourself.

:grr: :nuke: :sarcasm: :rant:

[Crunchy Frog]

47. But that would be anti-family...

to let families deal with this sort of thing on their own.

And the it doesn't matter that the vaccines keep people from dying. It's not as if we're talking about fetuses or brain dead people. I mean, then it would be a big deal, but healthy young women dying? C'mon!:sarcasm:

[JI7]

15. i hate these fuckers

forget about the women whose lives could be saved. it's about their own need to promote their stupid fucking agenda. fucking assholes.

oh, no, lets not save the women because people might have sex. fucking pricks.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Wha.. WHAT?

This has not been a good day for issues to be angry about. Aren't these the same people who are against sexual education in schools? The ones that say it's the parents job? So why to they want to interfere in anyway in a fucking vaccine for young girls? They need to mind their own business. In fact, they need to go away and let real human beings continue to socially, mentally, physically and spiritally evolve and grow. There are just in the goddam way. I'm really beginning to think assholes like these come from a different species.

[Doremus]

88. Yes, they're big proponents of 'abstinence-only' sex-ed --

which is why the nation's teen pregnancy rate is on the rise again.

If they're allowed to withhold widespread use of this vaccine, they'll also be responsible for the needless deaths of thousands of young women.

Or put another way, murder.


Someday the electorate will wake up -- but will it be too late? :grr:

[eyesroll]

19. Would you bet your daughter's health on the impeccable behavior of her

future spouse (who she hasn't met yet)?

Let's say your daughter is 8, and is being offered the vaccine this year.

Maybe you're absolutely certain your daughter won't engage in premarital sex, because, you know, your own kid never does what you tell her not to. Further, you're certain that she'll choose a partner who shares those values. Because love follows those dictates exactly, you know, and you're certain she'll kick a young man to the curb if she's heard he had sex once, back when he was 17.

OK, let's assume all of that just happened the way you wanted it to.

Do you trust that young man to remain faithful? Remember -- you didn't raise him; you haven't even met him yet.

Would you bet your daughter's life on this young man's fidelity?

Would you bet your daughter's life on your fervent hope she'll never be the victim of a sexual assualt?

If you answered "yes" to these questions, I strongly suggest you remove your head from the sand or your ass, or wherever you've kept it for the last...ever.

[VegasWolf]

20. What, where is your proof that men run around on women?

Hah! Just kidding!!!

:toast:

[area51]

27. Well said. (n/t)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

21. This is such ignorance it should be laughable

I, however, won't laugh at it until they lose this battle.

If this were a vaccine against herpes would they also try and block it? How about AIDS?

What would make them happy? To just let everyone who doesn't share their values die until they're the only ones left?

It's a very sick and hate filled person who would rather see someone die than than have sex.

[R Hickey]

59. Herpes can be self-vaccinated against,

Simply scratch the herpes sore so as to re-infect yourself, and you will become self-vaccinated against your particular strain of herpes. I did it to myself twenty-five years ago, and it worked. It also gave me partial resistance to another different strain of herpes, which I was exposed to a decade later.

I know there's no money to be made with this self-vaccination technique, and a lot of money to be made when big pharma sells a life-time supply of pills that expensively treat but never cure herpes. If you try self vaccination, you will see that it works. If you have AIDS however, I don't know if it would work.

[jwcomer]

74. That doesn't make any sense

R Hickey, I know that you have very good intentions by telling this story. However, the immune system just doesn't work this way. If you are going to pick up resistance you would have done so just as well from the initial infection as from any subsequent sore picking. There is no need for what you've described. People should not self treat VD's; that is precisely the sort of behavior which leads people to end up with cervical cancer. Furthermore, this will not help anyone with AIDS.

[R Hickey]

75. Actually my immune system does work this way.

The problem that my immune system had with herpes was that the system didn't get a long enough exposure to the virus. The virus sealed itself off in blisters. By re-infecting myself, the immune system got enough exposure to create the antibodies needed to keep the disease at bay.

jwcomer, I don't care if you believe me or not. I wouldn't say this stuff if it weren't true. In my case I was getting a new sore about every two months, they were in four or five places, lasted up to two weeks, and had been occurring for around three years. I tried self vaccination as described, and it worked at once. I got zero herpes for many years after giving my immune system that extra load of live virus. That was twenty five years ago. I currently get about one sore every four years. When they occur, they are small and only last a couple days.

Perhaps you ought to read about how vaccination works. I mean the story of the first discovery of the cowpox and smallpox vaccinations. Its all pretty basic stuff. If you have a degree in medicine, may I suggest that you conduct a study to see if what I say is true. Perhaps you can become famous.

[leesa]

22. Let me guess...the f**ked up Fundies?

[bettyellen]

23. lets allow teen boys to be crippled by syphillis!

[truthisfreedom]

24. anybody presents this argument to me, i just look over my glasses deadpan

and say calmly, "alcohol, you nitwit."

[cassiepriam]

30. The American Taliban at work again.

[Hope springs eternal]

33. They tried to ban that too, remember?

I sure as hell didn't come up with that Prohibiton shit...

[uppityperson]

26. The LAST fucking thing on my teenage mind was cervical cancer.

Oh honey, you got The Shot! ooooo, now now now. Give me a break.

[miss_kitty]

28. As someone who suffered from an HPV cancer, I have to ask

WHY THE FUCK IS ANYONE LISTENING TO THESE SELFISH, MYOPIC, CONTROLLING FUCKSTICKS? WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING A SHOT THAT WILL KEEP THEM FROM GETTING ILL? :grr: :grr: :grr:

Jesus. It's cost a few hundred of thousands of dollars so far and I'm STILL not back to work and will NEVER be the same. And just existing will cost me or someone else (Medicare) a great deal of money, for the rest of my life.

[DeepModem Mom]

29. I'm so sorry, miss_kitty. Thanks for your post. nt

[GoddessOfGuinness]

38. I wish I could hand a copy of your post to every one of those

selfish, myopic, controlling fucksticks.

Except, then they'd insist that tax dollars shouldn't go to HPV cancer victims.

My sister contracted HPV years ago at a fairly young age...tried to tell us that the doctor said "it was an airborne virus". :eyes:

I'm really worried about her, now. She recently (in the last 5 years or so) joined the Baptist Church and started voting with the X-tian wacko party. I wonder if she's had a decent check-up, and if she'll do anything about any cancer they might find. We used to be close; but we really aren't now.

As angry as she makes me sometimes, I'm deeply troubled by her health.

[miss_kitty]

41. well if tax dollars weren't available for me

I'd be dead and it would have been a long drawn out agonising death-because of course-these shitheads would not allow a hastened death for the suffering terminally ill. They're all about prolife.

Your sister should have a Pap smear every 6 months, tests to see if the HPV is active and if she has trouble with hemorrhoids, they should be removed or she should have anal exams from time to time-especially if she has a hemorrhoid that doesn't go away.

Airbourne-yeah, and I got VD from a toilet seat once :eyes:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

45. Thanks for the info...

I'll try to pass that along to her. :hug:

[sendero]

31. Let's stop treating TB..

... leads to breathing.

These people are simply FUCKING INSANE.

[Endangered Specie]

32. Oh, yeah, encourage sex... right.... I can just see the pick up lines now:

"Hey there is that a vaccine in your pants, or you just happy to see me?"

:sarcasm:

[Aimah]

34. They don't seem to care about curing anything that happens...

in that area of the womans body anyway.

[Zookeeper]

39. Exactly! If we were talking about a virus that didn't affect...

women, but caused cancer of the penis or testicles, I'm dead certain that the vaccine would be mandatory!

The stupidity of these people is unreal!:nuke:

[wakeme2008]

35. This will backfire on the Fundies big time...

Just from reading this thread somebody either has had this cancer or knows somebody that did. This will be the same in the Repug women that hear that some group of white men do not want to protect their daughters. IMHO even the normal Repug women will say fuck off.

[Berry Cool]

36. My goodness, could these people be any dumber?

I was immunized against rubella when I was approximately eight years old. Why was I immunized against rubella at that age? Partly because somewhere along the line, someone must have thought it was a good idea to prevent kids from getting rubella. But I don't remember that as being the big reason--young as I was.

The reason, I was told, was so that I wouldn't get rubella someday when I was going to have a baby...because if you're going to have a baby and then you get rubella, your baby could be born deaf, or with a hearing impairment. Thus, I was being immunized well before I had to even think about the possibility of having a baby (which, I was given to understand, would happen a looooong way off in the future, after I was married and all that). This was all told to me quite matter-of-factly when I got the shot.

No one seemed to be afraid at the time that, because I had been injected with the rubella vaccine, I, or any other girl who received the shot, was now going to go out and have sex because, hey, we could do that now, and if we got pregnant (not that we could have at that age anyway), well, at least the baby wouldn't be deaf.

Why is this any different? Why does ANYONE have to assume that giving a girl an immunization against a disease--*especially* a potentially FATAL one--is an invitation for her to start having sex? I certainly didn't think my immunization against rubella was an invitation to go ahead and start doing that which can make you pregnant. The thought frankly never crossed my mind.

Do these nutjobs really think that if prepubescent girls get immunized against cervical cancer, they're all going to suddenly run out and start humping like bunnies?

Or is that a dumb question, because...of course, they do?

[ninkasi]

48. As the mother of a cherished daughter, and the grandmother of 3, and

great-grandmother of 1 great-granddaughter...I will say, without any hesitation, that given a choice between protecting my beloved children's lives, and having them potentially have sex when they aren't married, I'll take the unmarried sex any day! I care about them, and want them in my life, and would fight tooth and nail against anybody who tried to deny them any weapon in the medical arsenal needed to preserve their health.

I'm so sick and tired of these talibornagains trying to shove their religious and moral views down our throats. If they don't choose to be protected, fine. For my young female relatives, including nieces and cousins, I want any and everything possible to preserve their health and lives. I can deal with their sexual choices, as long as they are here in this life for me to love and protect.

Do NOT fuck with my daughters, granddaughters, nieces, or cousins.

[truthisfreedom]

40. honestly, what's next? they develop a vaccine for HIV and the fundies say

no?

fuck the fucking fundies.

[More Than A Feeling]

42. You have to be pretty evil to be pro-cancer...n/t

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

43. Just say no...

... to fundamentalist whack-jobs sticking their bibles (or whatever) into public health policy. They said the same thing about "the pill". They said the same thing about safe-sex education and barrier methods preventing STDs. They are still wrong.

Since the scientists don't go to their churches to educate them, they should stop trying to insert their beliefs into {currently} secular society.

"Focus on the Family" can just kiss my
***CARRIER LOST***

[XemaSab]

44. This exposes the real agenda of these people

It's not about saving unborn babies, it's not about protecting the mental and physical health of women, it's not about any of that--

It's about keeping young women from having sex.

(Lemme tell ya, if this were prostate cancer instead of cervical cancer, you'd see no opposition to a vaccine.)

[Crunchy Frog]

46. God forbid!

God forbid that a vaccination should be used to prevent a girl from recieving her just punishment of cervical cancer for being bad. I'm sure that all good Christian parents want to rest securely in the knowledge that their daughter will have a good chance of getting cancer if she's a bad girl. What decent parent wouldn't want that for their child?:crazy:

[Occulus]

49. This is a shockingly evil stand for them to take.

Honestly, I question the very humanity of these evil, twisted beings. Can we get a DNA test to make certain they're part of the species homo sapiens?

Yes, that's right, fundies... an infant or a two-year-old is definitely going to make that connection, especially after living their lives free of the disease and thus knowing less about it than we do- because it's not a problem for them.

Edited to add: having read the article, I now understand this is going to be (yes, that's right, fundies, it's going to be, and I dare you to stain yourselves with the blot of trying to stop it) given to preteens. Fine, whatever. All you have to tell them is, one of their shots will keep them from getting a certain kind of cancer. That's enough to scare them into wanting it, badly. I predict the curious may ask which one and what disease, but you don't have to tell them everything there is to know for them to benefit from it!

For example, lots of people my age only know about polio that it's a debilitating or deadly disease. We don't know about all the precautions that were taken to stop its spread, or the impact it had upon families and communities at the time. We don't know, because we don't have to know. We've conquered that disease; it's no longer for us to worry about, given we've all had our proper vaccinations.

Hey fundies, I have a question: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

[daleo]

51. Baby Jesus cries

When women don't get cervical cancer.

[PittPoliSci]

52. we shouldn't be having any sex at all.

we should all stop reproducing so much. sex bad, BAD!!!!

[oneold1-4u]

53. Hope stem cell research-

will someday give a MAN a way to impregnate himself and give birth!
Until that time he will still know that female is only a bone from him.(biblical ribbing):rofl:

[WildClarySage]

54. TOTAL anti-female bullshit.

Very few of the teens I worked with in groups at the high school level had ever heard of HPV. How would being vaccinated against this virus prevent teens from exploring abstinence?

Kids don't base sexual experimentation on potential risk- they almost all operate on the belief that 'it can't happen to me'. The real issue here is that "women don't deserve protection if they dare to engage in promiscious behavior" according to these hypocritical shitheads.

[depakid]

55. The Post strikes again- placing fundamentalist views on par

with science and rational public policy.

This paper just makes me sick (as it does all the other students & profs in PSU/OHSU's public health program).

We've seen scores of these kinds of articles over the past few years on issues ranging from "abstinance education" (or what should be the demonstrated failure thereof) to FDA proceedings.

This is OLD NEWS- Katha Pollit wrote about these nuts back in May:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/19/opinion/main696613.shtml

ALL that the Post is trying to do here (yet again) is to give the fundamentalists a forum where they can publicize their drivel in a "fair & balanced" "he said/she said" format.

As they've proven time and again- the Post is utterly incapable printing ANYTHING related to science or medicine that isn't full of slanted copy or that doesn't attempt to legitimize far right viewpoints (which often include outright false statements of fact that are rarely challenged).

It's even more insidius than the Wall Street Journal- because it tries to portray itself as objective, when 9 times out of 10, it's clearly not.

[murielm99]

56. And how is this pro-life??

:wtf:

[B3Nut]

67. According to fundie illogic...

...you only have the right to life if you haven't been born yet. Once you pop out into the world, you only have the right to life if you can afford it. If you're poor or make mistakes, screw off and die as far as they're concerned. Utter hypocrisy, and antithetical to the Savior they pretend to believe in.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[burrowowl]

57. The Conservatives are

words escape me!
What about married hubby who had picadillos in his youth and became born again or whatever, etc.
Just shows how anti-woman the idiots are and how about rape victims, etc.
Yet these conservatives are all for Viagra (jeeze shouldn't they consider impotence as god-given and they allow procreation by infertile couples and then want the embryos to be considered humans and how much money does it costs to keep these things and and ....

[WindRavenX]

58. oh for fuck's sake

Goddamnn fundies are gonna kill us with their ignorance...

[xchrom]

60. if they don't want to vaccinate their girl children ...

that's what i'm tempted to think.

can't quite get there though.

[arwalden]

61. Idiots!!

[alarimer]

62. Conservatives are EVIL

That is the only possible conclusion I can draw from this. The sooner they all get raptured and go to hell, the better.

I really hate these fuckers.

[Miss Chybil]

63. Jesus FUCKING Christ!

I would have liked to have this vaccine so I wouldn't have had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 30 and have gone into menopause at 40. What the fuck is wrong with people? What country is this - Talabani Afghanistan?

[triguy46]

64. yes, historically the threat of cancer has been successful...

in changing the behavior of teenagers.:sarcasm:

[LizW]

66. PERFECT issue for the fundamentalist control freaks

Men get, and spread HPV too, but it is usually symptomless. There is not even an FDA approved test for HPV in men. But the disease is so easily spread that it is pervasive in sexually active people.

But only women get cancer from it. And it is symptomless until a woman starts having abnormal Pap smears.

Perfect for the fundies to say, "See? You must stay pure until marriage, and then you can have the vaccine. If you keep your legs closed until then, you will not die."

And what about the boys and men who have the virus and spread it around? Who cares, they're only spreading it to slutty women who have sex before marriage (and thus, before vaccination).

Mark my words, the right will argue for the vaccine to be given at the time of marriage, and not before. It is all about controlling women. This issue is perfect for that.

The Bible says "The wages of sin is death." Remember that many of the fundamentalists take that sentence absolutely literally. They believe that women who sin by having sex before marriage should die. They believe that it is God's will.

In Saudi Arabia, they stone unchaste women to death. Here, they just let them die of cancer.

[zann725]

69. Does anyone recall ever reading about the research OR development of

an anti-cervical cancer drug??? Suddenly it appears, and is being forced on mid-America's teenagers?

1 + 1 does NOT equal 3. Something IS wrong here...seriously.

[zann725]

70. Does anyone recall ever reading about the research OR development of

an anti-cervical cancer drug??? Suddenly it appears, and is being forced on mid-America's teenagers?

1 + 1 does NOT equal 3. Something IS wrong here...seriously.

[SillyGoose]

73. I am very alarmed at the growing influence these religious crackpots

have in our society today despite them representing a minority viewpoint. These religious extremists would be well-served if they studied up on our history and reminded themselves of what prompted our forefathers to leave England all those years ago.

They want to ban birth control, do away with safe-sex education programs, overturn Roe v. Wade and now this. I never thought I would see the day that a small but rabidly extremist segment of society would exert such influence on this nation.

[Lisa]

77. I don't know ANYBODY who has given up sex ...

... because of links to cervical cancer. I know a few people (men and women) who are celibate, but none of them have cited cancer risk -- or any other disease, even HIV -- as a reason. Even a secondary one.

[geniph]

78. So, let me get this straight:

It's better that women die of cervical cancer than that they have consensual sex?

Someone please just shoot me now.

[electron_blue]

79. Funny how I don't remember any such arguments when Viagra first came out

DOUBLE STANDARD ALERT!

[Megahurtz]

80. Oh for crying out loud!!!!!!

Can't these people just get over their own obsessive twisted and demented thoughts about sex?
Is this just what they sit around and think about all the time???:wtf:

[Strawman]

81. this is what Lakoff would call a strategic issue

these RW'ers are so nutty that they would rather allow women to have cervical cancer than have premarital sex. that's the cabal that picked this SCOTUS nominee and this position should be brought up in every argument with them involving reproductive rights. THEY are the ones who should be on the defensive and shit like this is exactly why.

this is a prime example how far far out of the mainstream these RW fundamentalist extremists are on reproductive rights.

[TexasBushwhacker]

82. Someone should ask Marilyn Quayle how she feels about it

I seem to recall that she was treated sucessfully for cervical cancer way back when we didn't know that its sole cause is the Human Papilloma Virus, and therefore is a complication of a sexually transmitted disease. She may want to discuss this issue with Danny Boy as well.

[KansDem]

83. I believe any kind of alcoholic beverage also leads to "sex"

or should we say, a drinking a beer could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage. Remember? "Party till she's cute!"

Let's reinstate the 18th Amendment as a foil to pre-marital sex! :crazy:

[MN ChimpH8R]

84. This is absolutely batshit crazy

These jackasses should be locked up in a nice quiet rubber room. Religious fundamentalism is mental illness, pure and simple.

Asshats.