NY DAILY NEWS: Dubya-Cheney ties frayed by scandal

[sabra]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/363529p-309592c.html

Dubya-Cheney ties
frayed by scandal

'There has been some distance for some time'




BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF


Vice President Cheney may be losing influence over President Bush as controversies surrounding the Iraq war strain their relationship.

WASHINGTON - The CIA leak scandal has peeled back the veil on the most closely held White House secret of all: the subtle but unmistakable erosion in the bond between President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

Multiple sources close to Bush told the Daily News that while the vice president remains his boss' valued political partner and counselor, his clout has lessened - primarily as a result of issues arising from the Iraq war.

"The relationship is not what it was," a presidential counselor said. "There has been some distance for some time."

....

"The public side of the relationship hasn't changed," a close presidential loyalist said. "The private side of the relationship is not to the degree it used to be. Cheney has been his gray-haired senior adviser. That's the void that needs to be filled."

[wicket]

1. Am I the only one who can't stop laughing?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Christa]

2. no

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[wicket]

30. I'm dying here!

:rofl: ;)

[Name removed]

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[calimary]

20. Welcome to DU! I love it, too.

They deserve each other, don't they?

Help us shove them both into the trashbin of history (as the festering, fetid garbage they are)...

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!
And then go DO something about it.

[MarianJack]

4. GEE! bush Finally Figured Out ...

...that his boss is an asshole?

How newsworthy!

2 turds in a bucket!

[hippiechick]

5. I don't know whether to laugh or cry ...

Does it mean Chimpy's waking up, or Dicky's backing off because Chimpy's starting to believe his own publicity & act like he's actually the president, or what ??

I'm so confused !!! :shrug:

[waiting for hope]

7. It's just business as

usual, what people tend to forget is that Bush was a total and utter failure in perhaps all of his business ventures - let him go it alone, it will only emphasize that he is just the puppet....

[Catamount]

44. Me too!

:shrug:

[Punkingal]

6. I don't believe it...

They are just trying to distance Bush.

[Stuckinthebush]

11. That was my first thought

This is bullshit. They realize that Cheney is seen as the bad guy, and so to distance him from Bush, they plant these stories. This way when it becomes obvious to all that Cheney was in the middle of all of the Plame stuff and selling the war, Bush can just shake his head and say, "Oh, my...I had no idea he was doing that."

And people will buy it.

[wordpix]

24. I don't think we can rule out that Cheney & Co kept a lot of stuff from

the Chimp b/c he is, after all, just a mumbling, bumbling puppet and failure at all his ventures.

Whether Chimpy knew about the illegal activities going on in Cheney's office or not, if Rove and Cheney are indicted next and DeLay, Frist, and other corrupt members of BushCo are soon gone, Chimpy will be a very ineffective lame duck.

One thing that is telling is, Cheney is putting the lower down architects of the Iraq War in chiefs' positions; i.e. Addington taking the place of LIBBY. By news reports, Addington had a lot to do with fraud.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

32. Bush told the lies necessary to sell the war

He also, if you believe the "insider's" story was mad as hell at Rove when he found out about the outing.

If this is true, Bush lied repeatedly about not knowing Rove was involved and may be guilty of obstructing justice if not perjury.

[AnneD]

40. OK, that may have worked...

for Ronnie....but then he was elderly and we knew he slept through meetings. What's Georgie's excuse, bike riding, relapse? None are flattering and point to his incompetence, but then we knew that all along. Could there be a Cheney/Rove war? Every rat for themselves on the sinking ship of state? :rofl:

[graywarrior]

8. That would imply that George is able to "think."

I doubt that.

[goforit]

9. There has always been a distance from day one!!!!

Cheney has never hung out with the idiot.
But the irony of it all Cheney is an idiot himself.

[grytpype]

10. Hey, if Bush wants to make Cheney the fall guy, I'm OK with that.

Because it really is Cheney's fault that we're in this mess. Bush is just a dimwitted figurehead, Cheney was telling him what to do and his advice was horrible.

I know the buck is supposed to stop in the Oval Office, but in this case a lot of the blame does rest with Cheney. Let him resign in disgrace, it would be good for America.

[Pithy Cherub]

28. Actually it is completely Bush's fault. He outsourced his pResidency

to the king of no-bid contracts, Cheney. Cheney over promised and underdelivered on what he could achieve. Bush now realizing the outsourcing is going badly needs to insource for a less expensive replacement in time to save his broken pResidency. Bush did not check or hold anyone accountable for the mistakes. Cheney will resign and Bush is currently courting his newest Frankenstein/ette Vice pResident. Cheney just believed he could fly that close to the Sun and his Halliburton-made wax seals would hold.;)

[0007]

12. Sounds like the beginning of the "Swan Song" to me.....

I think the words go something like this; "I love you, but you don't give a fuck about me" --- wink wink ;-)

[Eugene]

13. Down side: The Boy King will try to run the country by himself.

As shown by Katrina, George Bush is dangerous
without adult guidance and supervision.
Dick Chaney may be evil, but at least he has
a brain.

[MaineYooper]

16. perhaps, but consider...

Having * in charge could effectively be like a random walk between right and wrong, smart and dumb, etc...

With Cheney in charge, it's all incontrovertibly evil.

so maybe we gain a little?

[tmiley]

25. Imagine Bush in a padded cell

I figure if Chimpy's handlers all go to jail or resign, Chimpy's gonna lose it. He knows he's not smart enough to do the job himself and I doubt that the military even lets him have the nuclear football. CapitolHillBlue.com reports that Chimpy's handlers and staff are getting so frustrated with his constant tirades that some of them are ready to quit.

Not to mention how many bad stories about Chimpy are leaking out of the White House. I think if Chimpy's staff all goes away, he'll be under his desk sucking his thumb and whimpering within the hour.

[wordpix]

26. I saw the Chimp on TV last night---he was absolutely raving, looked like

a madman. Really, I had never seen him like that---he is losing his veneer of control.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. -snip of truth-

Multiple sources close to Bush told the Daily News that while the vice president remains his boss...

[underpants]

18. Yeah that is the 900 lbs. elephant in the room

I can't imagine that even W's supporters really think he calls the plays....okay maybe they do they obviously will fall for anything.

This is actually very scarey. What if W really wants to go out and make the actual decisions? Dick may be just that, a dick, but he does have the ability at least to make such calls-W, not so much.

[MADem]

15. I think ANDY CARD is talking to the NY Daily News

It could be Rover, but I think it is Card, for some reason. The verbiage sounds EXACTLY like him. And Rover has been distracted.

I think both those quotes (Presidential Counselor/close presidential loyalist) came from the same guy...Andy!!

[AlCzervik]

17. them and the washington post, every time i see a "Source that wanted

to remain unnamed" i swear Card is the 1st one i think of, you know he hates him some Rove and Cheney.

[MADem]

21. And he is EXHAUSTED

He wanted to leave a year or two ago, but duty called, and no one else with sufficient talent would take the lousy job.

I think he is pushing the issue to get some closure. Maybe his minister-wife is telling him it is time to 'do the right thing.'

[AlCzervik]

22. i also think that he feels a deep loyalty to 41 so he tries to protect

his dim-son.

[MADem]

23. I think you might be right on that n/t

[xultar]

19. The fucker is just now figuring out that Cheney is the pResident.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
You gotta be fuckin joking!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
This shit is fuckin RICH!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
You can't make this shit up...Can you?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
OMFG
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
WTF
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
This is a fuckin keeper thread...
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[henslee]

27. Theres an energy crisis. Easy on the hysterical smilees.

:rofl:

[otohara]

29. Hooey

I don't believe it. Bush knew what Cheney was up to - they got caught, that's all!

[tinfoilinfor2005]

31. Yeah, like I'm gonna believe anything that comes from

a source in the White House. With all the Cover Your Ass they're doing over there, Fruit of the Loom must be doing a booming business in D.C.

[Gregorian]

33. Oh, "subtle but unmistakable." Breaking! Big news!

[Festivito]

34. Think this is SPIN to make perception of Bush is separate from Cheney?

Not even an anonymous source, just unnamed.
Includes visual of Cheney's gray hair.
Every time we see Cheney with elderly gray hair we will feel compassion, forgiveness, and his full responsibility.

This gives the impression that ...

. Bush is making his own decisions,
. implying that Bush is strong minded.
. Impressing that Bush is NOT INVOLVED with the Plame scandal,
. since, if Bush is caught the rest cannot get PARDONs.
. When Cheney leaves, the Plame blame leaves with him.

This is spin, early spin.
Used to be vote early, and vote often.
Now it's spin early and spin often.

[Festivito]

36. Adding, Plame blame AND torture go with a Cheney exit.

And, what a sad exit it would be. A gray-haired old man. "Unjustly" by some, charged, set-up by LiBruls.

WaPo 11/7: "Cheney Fights for Detainee Policy" (wants "legal" torture)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1906025&mesg_id=1906025

[Yavin4]

35. Sing It With Me: "You Don't Bring Me Flowers."

You don't sing me love songs.
You hardly talk to me any more when I come through the door
at the end of the day."

[callous taoboy]

37. Vampire Cheney leaves *'s body sucked dry. n/t

[DS1]

41. No, that would be grounds for impeachment

:-)

[FrannyD]

38. National Enquirer was correct

National Enquirer had this story awhile back, along with one on Bush's falling off the wagon. Can't wait for Daily News story on that one.

[yellowcanine]

39. Where can I get one of those frayed Dubya-Cheney ties? Anyone have a pic?

Could be a hot Christmas item.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. "Optimistic?" Howzabout we just say "flat out imbecilic and wrong"?

Cheney's projections about how the Iraq picnic would play out have no resemblance to reality whatsoever.

[Bob3]

43. how about Insane? I like the word insane.

It describes so much of what these people are doing.

[GeorgeGist]

45. Oh Misguided One...

it's not a void; it's the hell that you built for yourself.

[fshrink]

46. Problem is

Cheney is not the "gray-haired" adviser. He is the gray-matter.

[jazzjunkysue]

47. I hear Captain Kangeroo is free...

No, that's white hair.

Ronald McDonald! No, red hair, sorry.

Wicked Witch of the West! No, green.

Geez-this is hard work.

[Raiden]

48. The BFEE is imploding!!

:popcorn: