Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1675&dept_id=18171&newsid=15663370&PAG=461&rfi=9

MARPLE - Still wearing his makeup from an appearance on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight," U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon, R-7, of Thornbury, told a packed house at the township library Tuesday evening about his concerns regarding the 9/11 Commission.


The congressman said the military intelligence unit Able Danger identified four Sept. 11 hijackers in 2000, more than a year before the attacks. He said the commission, charged with investigating intelligence failures, deliberately excluded the input from its July 2004 final report. Members of the commission have repeatedly denied the claims.


"I am convinced this is a bigger cover-up than Watergate," said Weldon. "More than 3,000 people were slaughtered and it deliberately kept the story from being part of its report because it would have embarrassed some of its members."

Weldon, vice-chairman of the House Armed Services and Homeland Security committees, outlined the details in his latest book, "Countdown to Terror." The volume tells of a series of meetings with "Ali," an Iranian who correctly predicted five incidents before particulars about them were made public.

"The CIA thought he got the information from open sources, but I gave them the details one week to three months before the events happened," said Weldon. "The information was not made public by any source in the world before I gave it to the CIA."

Earlier this month, Weldon also sent a letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld requesting he allow former participants in Able Danger to testify in open congressional hearings. The correspondence had 246 bipartisan signatures, including those of senior members and leadership on both sides of the aisle


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051130/dcw045.html?.v=30

Patrick Henry Center Supports Lt. Colonel Tony Shaffer
Wednesday November 30, 3:28 pm ET


WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- As of November 30, 2005 Gary Aldrich, President of the Patrick Henry Center (PHC) has taken Lt. Colonel Tony Shaffer of the Defense Intelligence Agency Operation Able Danger into the PHC WhistleBlower program. "We have agreed to help protect Shaffer," Aldrich explained.


"The Patrick Henry Center is helping Shaffer because he spoke up" (about government incompetence), Aldrich said. As a result of Shaffer asking the Federal 9/11 Commission to consider the Able Danger intelligence information on Mohamed Atta "his job and security clearance have been revoked," Aldrich observed.

Shaffer has been on forced administrative leave from the DIA, but on November 14, 2005 the DIA stopped paying income and benefits to him. Shaffer was formerly an undercover intelligence officer for the DIA. He chose to publicly disclose his identity in August of 2005 so, that he could address the misuse of the Able Danger intelligence gathered on the Brooklyn, New York cell of Al Qaeda before 9/11.

The Patrick Henry Center has hired Washington, DC attorney Michael A. Carvin to represent Shaffer as Congress continues to look into this situation. The WhistleBlower program is designed specifically to help people like Shaffer. "No Whistleblower should ever be worse off for telling the truth," Aldrich said.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=ABLEDANGER-CHART-12-01-05

[napi21]

1. I'm still trying to figure out what Weldon is really after.

When he first made his accusations about Able Danger, I sure got the impression he was trying to prove 9/11 was Clinton's fault! He kept talking about the time frame of 1998/99 etc.

If that's really what he's after though, why wouldn't Rummy and Co. give him what he wants????

[stop the bleeding]

4. as long as he uncovers the truth I don't care who goes down, Clinton,

Bushy or any other schmo in DC - this about the truth not about part unity.

[reprehensor]

13. Amen.

The thing that many people do not consider is that career officials at DIA, etc. can be practically permanent fixtures, whose influence extends beyond just one administration.

This is about government agencies beyond the control of Congress, (and thus the sheeple), running amok, answerable to practically no one.

If these truthtellers are just making shit up, then let them be exposed.

But let them be heard.

[LetsGoMurphys]

28. I agree

I am very partisan but if there is such a cover up, you would have to be insane to want people to be protected just because they are a member of our party. That type of behavior is more for the brainwashed republicans. Not that I think Clinton knew anything.

[Bridget Burke]

51. Clinton knew quite a bit.

He realized there was a real terrorist threat. It was a serious issue to him & would have been to President Gore.

But Bush's people were more interested in oil. A boost to Bush's flagging popularity, a reason to clamp down on civil liberties & an excuse to start any wars they wanted? Hey, 9/11 was a windfall.

[conservdem]

46. Agreed.

[LynneSin]

2. He's got a tough race this year - an Iraq vet is running against him

I hope they have debates because I'll drive up there to support Brian Lentz.

http://www.lentzforcongress.com/

:D

[BenDavid]

9. There in your message

lays the answer to many that would wonder why is he doing this. Laying the claim there is some sort of cover-up to the 9-11 commission report.Making folks believe in his district that he is really going after something.
If this all lead back to Clinton then all would jump into this wray with both feet and begin the chorus, "CLINTON'S FAULT, CLINTON'S FAULT", and CNN would hire 4 more reporters and have theme music playing. Faux already believes it is Clinton's fault,and Clinton was the serpent in the Garden that tempted Eve.

[MrBenchley]

41. Let's hope Lentz grabs this screwloose ninny's seat....

If for no other reason than his ties to Sun Myung Moon, Weldon ought to get his ass booted out of Congress.

Let's also point out that Weldon is crooked as a hound's hind leg...and one of those caught up in the Delay/Abramoff scandal...

http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/campaign.php?view=38

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-weldon20feb20,1,1223455.story?page=4&coll=la-home-politics

http://www.dccc.org/races/candidates/PA_07_Bryan_Lentz.html

[stop the bleeding]

3. K&R this story needs to stay at the top.

[UpInArms]

5. a bigger cover-up than Watergate

and

"In America, I should not have to resort to writing a book to get the intelligence agencies to do their jobs," said Weldon. "That is a government out of control."

Wish this would get much much more coverage - I am tired of all of the lies and cover-ups.

[MrBenchley]

39. And that's why Weldon's book is published by Regnery....

Home to such trustworthy authors and scholars as Michelle Malkin, Dinesh D’Souza, Bill "Hit on 17" Bennett, Wayne LaPierre, Charlie Daniels, G. Gordon Liddy, Bill Sammon, Haley Barbour, David Limbaugh (Rush's even stupider brother), R. Emmett Tyrrell, John R. Lott, Jr., Jerome Corsi, etc., etc., etc.

Did you know that the source that Weldon has for his imbecilic book has already pointed out that the book is full of shit?

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9836

[americanstranger]

6. Weldon is out of his mind.

He's deep into tin foil hat territory with this shit - but hey, it'll probably help him move a few more copies of his stupid book.

-as

[BeFree]

31. Who's wrong?

This is a man who has seen a thousand times more info than you have, obviously. And you throw out that tired old claptrap about 'Tin Foil Hats'. Whom, one must wonder is it, exactly, you are trying to impress, Sir.

For it is not I, for I am duly unimpressed with your folly.

"And yee shall know them by their names"

[MrBenchley]

40. Curt Weldon....

"Whom, one must wonder is it, exactly, you are trying to impress, Sir.
Probably anyone who knows screwloose right wing drivel when he sees it....

[MrBenchley]

7. Gary Frigging Aldrich?

The loony who claimed Bill Clinton put drug paraphernalia on the White House Xmas Tree?

Curt Weldon is the goof who crowned Sun Myung Moon the "King of America"

You've hitched your wagon to two real stars there.....

[seemslikeadream]

11. Whatever

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

[0007]

19. Great links and terrific information for MrBenchley & americanstranger

to read. But will they read it?

They can't say they didn't have the opportunity.

[MrBenchley]

35. Actually, it's just more lame screwloose crap

being peddled by folks who don't know what Aldrich and Weldon are peddling....

[MrBenchley]

26. So in other words, screwloose crap is okay with you....

Nuff said....

[BeFree]

29. Nuff said?

So you have ALL the answers, eh, Mister? Well, we all look forward to your complete and truthfull compilation of the events leading up to the greatest security lapse in American history.

Yes, please, inform and educate all us who haven't quite screwed it all together yet.

Otherwise, might I suggest you sit down, and with a closed mouth and open mind, do the research? Nuff said, indeed.

[seemslikeadream]

30. Some folks just have their heads in the wrong places

not that there's anything wrong with that or that I am referring to anyone in particular

[MrBenchley]

33. Yup...

Some are even dumb enough to believe right wing loonies like Gary Aldrich and Curt Weldon...

[seemslikeadream]

34. yes like all these people including that crazy man John Murtha

MORE THAN HALF OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WANTS OPEN HEARINGS
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Of5pu7FcODMJ:www.ab...

MORE THAN HALF OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WANTS OPEN HEARINGS ON ABLE DANGER

The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary
Department of Defense
Pentagon
Washington, DC 20301

Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

We the undersigned are formally requesting that you allow former participants in the intelligence program known as ABLE DANGER to testify in an open hearing before the United States Congress. Until this point, congressional efforts to investigate ABLE DANGER have been obstructed by Department of Defense insistence that certain individuals with knowledge of ABLE DANGER be prevented from freely and frankly testifying in an open hearing. We realize that you do not question Congress's authority to maintain effective oversight of executive branch agencies, including your department. It is our understanding that your objection instead derives from concern that classified information could be improperly exposed in an open hearing. We of course would never support any activity that might compromise sensitive information involving national security. However, we firmly believe that testimony from the appropriate individuals in an open hearing on ABLE DANGER would not only fail to jeopardize national security, but would in fact enhance it over the long term. This is due to our abiding belief that America can only better prepare itself against future attacks if it understands the full scope of its past failures to do so.

On September 21, the Senate Committee on the Judiciary conducted a hearing on ABLE DANGER which Bill Dugan, Acting Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Oversight, certified did not reveal any classified information. Congressman Curt Weldon's testimony at that hearing was largely based on the information that has been given to him by ABLE DANGER participants barred from open testimony by DOD. Their testimony would therefore closely mirror that of Congressman Weldon, who did not reveal classified information. Therefore we are at a loss as to how the testimony of ABLE DANGER participants would jeopardize classified information. Much of what they would present has already been revealed. Further refusal to allow ABLE DANGER participants to testify in an open congressional hearing can only lead us to conclude that the Department of Defense is uncomfortable with the prospect of Members of Congress questioning these individuals about the circumstances surrounding ABLE DANGER. This would suggest not a concern for national security, but rather an attempt to prevent potentially embarrassing facts from coming to light. Such a consideration would of course be an unacceptable justification for the refusal of a congressional request.
Sincerely,

Republican (144)




Curt Weldon (R-PA)

David L. Hobson, (R-OH)

Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)

Joel Hefley (R-CO)

Todd Russell Platts (R-PA)

Tom Davis (R-VA)

Michael G. Fitzpatrick (R-PA)

Charles W. Dent (R-PA)

Jim Ramstad (R-MN)

Mark Souder (R-IN)

Phil English (R-PA)

Michael McCaul (R-TX)

Sam Johnson (R-TX)

Christopher Shays (R-CT)

Walter B. Jones (R-NC)

Charles H. Taylor (R-NC)

John L. Mica (R-FL)

John T. Doolittle (R-CA)

Jeff Miller (R-FL)

Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD)

Nathan Deal (R-GA)

Joe Wilson (R-SC)

Donald A. Manzullo (R-IL)

Charles W. Boustany, Jr. (R-LA)

Ralph M. Hall (R-TX)

John E. Peterson (R-PA)

Ron Paul (R-TX)

Jerry Weller (R-IL)

Michael N. Castle (R-DE)

Geoff Davis (R-KY)

J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)

Cliff Stearns (R-FL)

Fred Upton (R-MI)

Rob Simmons (R-CT)

Rodney P. Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)

Henry Bonilla (R-TX)

Virgil H. Goode, Jr. (R-VA)

Howard Coble (R-NC)

Jim Gibbons (R-NV)

Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)

Dan Burton (R-IN)

Joseph R.Pitts (R-PA)

Jim Gerlach (R-PA)

Trent Franks (R-AZ)

Rodney Alexander (R-LA)

Ellen Gallegly (R-CA)

Don Sherwood (R-PA)

Zach Wamp (R-TN)

Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD)

Chris Smith (R-NJ)

Frank Wolf (R-VA)

Chris Chocola (R-IN)

Bobby Jindal (R-LA)

Rick Renzi (R-AZ)

Mark Kirk (R-IL)

Ron Lewis (R-KY)

Rob Aderholt (R-AL)

Randy J. Forbes (R-VA)

Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (R-CA)

John Boozman (R-AR)

Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ)

John E. Sweeney (R-NY)

Michael R. Turner (R-OH)

Dennis R. Rehberg (R-MT-At Large)

Tom Osborne (R-NE)

Scott Garrett (R-NJ)

Pete Sessions (R-TX)

John Linder (R-GA)

Todd W. Akin (R-MO)

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)

Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV)

Phil Gingrey (R-GA)

Robin Hayes (R-NC)

John J. Duncan, Jr. (R-TN)

Bob Inglis (R-SC)

Virginia Foxx (R-NC)

Lee Terry (R-NE)

Dave Weldon (R-FL)

Nancy L. Johnson (R-CT)

Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL)

Melissa Hart (R-PA)

John Sullivan (R-OK)

Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL)

Adam H. Putnam (R-FL)

Don Young (R-AK-At Large)

Peter King (R-NY)

Daniel E. Lungren (R-CA)

Michael T. McCaul (R-TX)

Katherine Harris (R-FL)

John Hostettler (R-IN)

Paul E. Gillmor (R-OH)

Roy Blunt (R-MO)

Michael Simpson (R-ID)

Tom Price (R-GA)

Charlie Norwood (R-GA)

Michael Bilirakis (R-FL)

Spencer Bachus (R-AL)

Henry E. Brown, Jr. (R-SC)

Thomas G. Tancredo (R-CO)

Terry Everett (R-AL)

Robert Ney (R-OH)

Ed Whitfield (R-KY)

Wally Herger (R-CA)

Mark Foley (R-FL)

Jeb Hensarling (R-TX)

Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA)

Mike Rogers (R-MI)

John J. H. "Joe" Schwarz (R-MI)

Jon C. Porter (R-NV)

Kay Granger (R-TX)

Greg Walden (R-OR)

Mary Bono (R-CA)

Anne Northup (R-KY)

John Kline (R-MN)

Frank D. Lucas (R-OK)

Candice S. Miller (R-MI)

William Jenkins (R-TN)

Patrick McHenry (R-NC)

Sue W. Kelly (R-NY)

Mike Pence (R-IN)

Kenny Hulshof (R-MO)

Cathy McMorris (R-WA)

Ralph Regula (R-OH)

John Carter (R-TX)

Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI)

James Leach (R-IA)

Jim Kolbe (R-AZ)

Bill Shuster (R-PA)

John McHugh (R-NY)

Tim Murphy (R-PA)

Barbara Cubin (R-WY-at large)

Michael Conaway (R-TX)

Chris Cannon (R-UT)

Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)

Jim Ryun (R-KS)

Jeb Bradley (R-NH)

Steven C. LaTourette (R-OH)

Ander Crenshaw (R-FL)

Bill Young (R-FL)

Melissa Bean (D-IL)

Jack Kingston (R-GA)

Ed Royce (R-CA)

Tom Cole (R-OK)

Patrick Tiberi (R-OH)



Democrats (101)




John Murtha, John P. (D-PA)

Ike Skelton (D-MO)

Jim Cooper (D-TN)

Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)

Solomon Ortiz (D-TX)

Silvestre Reyes (D-TX)

Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX)

Joe Baca (D-CA)

Bob Etheridge (D-NC)

James R. Langevin (D-RI)

Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)

Nydia Velazquez (D-NY)

Ed Pastor (D-AZ)

Eliot Engel (D-NY)

Loretta T. Sanchez (D-CA)

Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA)

Mike McIntyre (D-NC)

Louise McIntosh Slaughter (D-NY)

Corrine Brown (D-FL)

Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)

Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)

Sam Farr (D-CA)

Chet Edwards (D-TX)

Bill Pascrell (D-NJ)

Nita M. Lowey (D-NY)

Neil Abercrombie (D -HI)

Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD)

Gwen Moore (D-WI)

Madeline Z. Bordallo (D-GU)

Maurice D. Hinchey (D-NY)

Nick J. Rahall, II (D-WV)

Robert Brady (D-PA)

Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)

Mike Doyle (D-PA)

Tim Holden (D-PA)

G.K. Butterfield (D-NC)

Dale E. Kildee (D-MI)

James E. Clyburn (D-SC)

Steve Israel (D-NY)

Harold Ford (D-TN)

John Larson (D-CT)

Eni Faleomavaega (D-AS)

Ken Meek (D-FL)

John Dingell (D-MI)

Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)

Rush Holt (D-NJ)

Vernon J. Ehlers (D-MI)

Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL)

Martin Olav Sabo (D-MN)

Anna G. Eshoo (D-CA)

David Wu (D-OR)

Grace F. Napolitano (D-CA)

Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)

Ruben HinoJosa (D-TX)

John M. Spratt, Jr. (D-SC)

Norman D. Dicks (D-WA)

Edward Markey (D-MA)

Jane Harman (D-CA)

Peter DeFazio (D-OR)

Bart Stupak (D-MI)

Susan A. Davis (D-CA)

Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)

Hilda Solis (D-CA)

Gene Green (D-TX)

Martin T. Meehan (D-MA)

Marion Berry (D-AR)

Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)

James P. Moran (D-VA)

Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD)

Maxine Waters (D-CA)

John Lewis (D-GA)

Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)

Chaka Fattah (D-PA)

Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)

Lane Evans (D-IL)

Shelley Berkley (D-NV)

Bill Delahunt (D-MA)

Rick Larsen (D-WA)

Robert E. (Bud) Cramer, Jr. (D-AL)

Gene Taylor (D-MS)

Allyson Y. Schwartz (D-PA)

Richard E. Neal (D-MA)

Al Green (D-TX)

Robert Wexler (D-FL)

John T. Salazar (D-CO)

Michael Capuano (D-MA)

Mike Thompson (D-CA)

Collin Peterson (D-MN)

Joseph Crowley (D-NY)

Robert Andrews (D-NJ)

Mark Udall (D-CO)

George Miller (D-CA)

Adam Smith (D-WA)

Michael Honda (D-CA)

Anthony Weiner (D-NY)

Steven R. Rothman (D-NJ)

Bennie Thompson (D-MS)

Jerry Costello (D-IL)

Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ)

Allen Boyd (D-FL)

[MrBenchley]

36. Dana Rohrabacher? Zach Wamp?

That IS funny.

[seemslikeadream]

37. I'll bet on Murtha to 10 of your funnys

n/t

[MrBenchley]

38. You're welcome to the whole lot....

[seemslikeadream]

49. Well isn't this interesting MrBenchley?

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)


http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/13354906.htm

General gave OK for Able Danger
Former military chief confirms al-Qaida mission

WASHINGTON -- Gen. Hugh Shelton, who was the military's top commander during the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, confirmed that four years before the tragedy he authorized a secret computer data-mining initiative to track down Osama bin Laden and operatives in the fugitive terrorist's al-Qaida network.

In his first public comments on the initiative, which some former intelligence officers now say was code-named Able Danger, Shelton also confirmed that he received two briefings on the clandestine mission -- both well before the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Right after I left SOCOM (Special Operations Command), I asked my successor to put together a small team, if he could, to try to use the Internet and start trying to see if there was any way that we could track down Osama bin Laden or where he was getting his money from or anything of that nature," Shelton said Monday in an interview.

...

Shelton's assertions are significant because they raise new questions about the government's knowledge of the al-Qaida network before the Sept. 11 attacks and about the subsequent findings of a commission that Congress set up to probe the attacks.

[robertpaulsen]

52. Is that what you call him? I call him Ignored.

I can't stand surly ignorant flamebaiters who refuse to read what you link to refute their empty arguments. Good luck getting him back on his meds.

:hi:

[MrBenchley]

32. Stick with Weldon and Aldrich then

They're crazy as shithouse rats....

"inform and educate all us who haven't quite screwed it all together"

Happy to...here's Aldrich appealing to the brain-dead:

"Townhall.com :: Columnists :: Archives: Gary Aldrich
Archives: Gary Aldrich. Gary Aldrich. (bio | contact ) ... Archived Articles by
Gary Aldrich:. 2002 2003 2004 2005. Items 1-25 out of 86 displayed. ...
www.townhall.com/columnists/garyaldrich/archive.shtml

The Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty - Gary Aldrich ...
On Independence Day, 1996, former FBI Agent Gary Aldrich broke the code of silence surrounding the Clinton administration. In his book, Unlimited Access: An ...
www.patrickhenrycenter.org/aldrich.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages

NewsMax.com: America's News Page
A 30-year veteran of the FBI, Gary Aldrich specialized in white-collar crime... Gary Aldrich, perhaps, is best known as the former FBI agent who on ...
newsmax.com/pundits/bios/Aldrich-bio.shtml - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

Conservative Truth - Archives of Gary Aldrich
The antidote to the liberal news media. Get a balanced view of what is happening around you. Not just the politically correct, liberal slant fed to you by ...
www.conservativetruth.org/ archive.php?author=Gary%20Aldrich - 43k - Dec 1, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Young America's Foundation speaker Gary Aldrich, author of ...
On Independence Day 1996, former FBI Agent Gary Aldrich broke the code of silence surrounding the Clinton administration. In his book Unlimited Access: An ...
www.yaf.org/speakers/gary_aldrich.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages "

WorldNetDaily News Archives: Gary Aldrich
Thursday, June 06, 2002 by Gary Aldrich -- It's difficult to make a case ...
Thursday, May 16, 2002 by Gary Aldrich -- Reports of human rights abuses in ...
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=176 - 20k - Nov 30, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages "

And here's nutso Weldon:

"Countdown to Terror, Representative Curt Weldon's sensationalistic new book about his personal struggle to combat the Iranian terrorism threat despite the alleged resistance of the CIA, is based entirely on the Pennsylvania Republican's freelance communications with a secret source he code-named "Ali." Much of Weldon's book, which will be released next week by Regnery Publishing, consists of reproduced pages of comically overwrought "intelligence" memos faxed from the Iranian émigré’s Paris location to Weldon’s office between 2003 and 2004.
“Dear Curt,” reads one memo excerpt from “Ali” published by Weldon. “An attack against an atomic plant by a plane, the name mentioned, but not clear it begins with ‘SEA’ … .” Another reads: “Dear Curt: … I confirm again a terrorist attack within the United States is planned before the American elections."
But in an exclusive interview with The American Prospect, Weldon's "Ali" -- who was identified in an April article by me and Jeet Heer as Fereidoun Mahdavi, a frail, elderly former minister of commerce in the shah’s government and a longtime business associate of Iran-Contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar -- said he was stunned and perplexed to learn that Weldon had used his information to write a book, emphasizing that Weldon never even told him about the book.
Mahdavi also said that the bulk of the information that he had provided to Weldon was originally sourced from none other than Ghorbanifar, the subject of a rare CIA “burn notice” after the agency found him to be a "fabricator" more than two decades ago during the Iran-Contra affair. "

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9836

You got a real pair of aces to draw to there, chief.

[Nickdfresh]

8. The Source?

I dunno,' Very interesting, but I've also heard that LTC Shaffer "had issues," he was somehow disciplined by the Army for inappropriateness (something about excessive personal calls on gov't phones I believe --which would have been terrible for a man of his rank's career). He's also writing a book regarding this affair, and it sure took him long enough to speak out! His performance in an interview on CNN didn't exactly win me over either. He came across as a very strange man.

And I'm a little skeptical when LOUIE FREEH (ex-FBI Dir.) hops on board with anything of this nature, which he is now championing. (Like a Federal Agency not doing it's job, like oh, the FBI not investigating Saudi Men that are in flight schools and publicly declare they have no interest in landing or taking off, just flying an airliner, and otherwise act very suspiciously...) yeah LOUIE, tell us all about it.

[Al-CIAda]

10. What about Sibel, Curt? nt

[cyberpj]

18. Didn't see you here first. I had the same thought (post) at 6pm

when I read this topic.

[Nickdfresh]

12. A Flake:

This guy has a bit of an ax to grind...

(para 16) F(AUX) News has learned that Shaffer's security clearance was suspended last year over a disputed phone bill and allegations that he had not gone through the proper chain of command to obtain an award for Able Danger. Shaffer's lawyer told FOX News that no formal action has ever been taken against Shaffer — and since then he was promoted by the Army to lieutenant colonel.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,165948,00.html

[seemslikeadream]

14. MORE THAN HALF OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WANTS OPEN HEARINGS

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Of5pu7FcODMJ:www.abledangerblog.com/+%22able+danger%22+witnesses&hl=en

MORE THAN HALF OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WANTS OPEN HEARINGS ON ABLE DANGER

The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary
Department of Defense
Pentagon
Washington, DC 20301

Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

We the undersigned are formally requesting that you allow former participants in the intelligence program known as ABLE DANGER to testify in an open hearing before the United States Congress. Until this point, congressional efforts to investigate ABLE DANGER have been obstructed by Department of Defense insistence that certain individuals with knowledge of ABLE DANGER be prevented from freely and frankly testifying in an open hearing. We realize that you do not question Congress's authority to maintain effective oversight of executive branch agencies, including your department. It is our understanding that your objection instead derives from concern that classified information could be improperly exposed in an open hearing. We of course would never support any activity that might compromise sensitive information involving national security. However, we firmly believe that testimony from the appropriate individuals in an open hearing on ABLE DANGER would not only fail to jeopardize national security, but would in fact enhance it over the long term. This is due to our abiding belief that America can only better prepare itself against future attacks if it understands the full scope of its past failures to do so.

On September 21, the Senate Committee on the Judiciary conducted a hearing on ABLE DANGER which Bill Dugan, Acting Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Oversight, certified did not reveal any classified information. Congressman Curt Weldon's testimony at that hearing was largely based on the information that has been given to him by ABLE DANGER participants barred from open testimony by DOD. Their testimony would therefore closely mirror that of Congressman Weldon, who did not reveal classified information. Therefore we are at a loss as to how the testimony of ABLE DANGER participants would jeopardize classified information. Much of what they would present has already been revealed. Further refusal to allow ABLE DANGER participants to testify in an open congressional hearing can only lead us to conclude that the Department of Defense is uncomfortable with the prospect of Members of Congress questioning these individuals about the circumstances surrounding ABLE DANGER. This would suggest not a concern for national security, but rather an attempt to prevent potentially embarrassing facts from coming to light. Such a consideration would of course be an unacceptable justification for the refusal of a congressional request.
Sincerely,

Republican (144)




Curt Weldon (R-PA)

David L. Hobson, (R-OH)

Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)

Joel Hefley (R-CO)

Todd Russell Platts (R-PA)

Tom Davis (R-VA)

Michael G. Fitzpatrick (R-PA)

Charles W. Dent (R-PA)

Jim Ramstad (R-MN)

Mark Souder (R-IN)

Phil English (R-PA)

Michael McCaul (R-TX)

Sam Johnson (R-TX)

Christopher Shays (R-CT)

Walter B. Jones (R-NC)

Charles H. Taylor (R-NC)

John L. Mica (R-FL)

John T. Doolittle (R-CA)

Jeff Miller (R-FL)

Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD)

Nathan Deal (R-GA)

Joe Wilson (R-SC)

Donald A. Manzullo (R-IL)

Charles W. Boustany, Jr. (R-LA)

Ralph M. Hall (R-TX)

John E. Peterson (R-PA)

Ron Paul (R-TX)

Jerry Weller (R-IL)

Michael N. Castle (R-DE)

Geoff Davis (R-KY)

J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)

Cliff Stearns (R-FL)

Fred Upton (R-MI)

Rob Simmons (R-CT)

Rodney P. Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)

Henry Bonilla (R-TX)

Virgil H. Goode, Jr. (R-VA)

Howard Coble (R-NC)

Jim Gibbons (R-NV)

Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)

Dan Burton (R-IN)

Joseph R.Pitts (R-PA)

Jim Gerlach (R-PA)

Trent Franks (R-AZ)

Rodney Alexander (R-LA)

Ellen Gallegly (R-CA)

Don Sherwood (R-PA)

Zach Wamp (R-TN)

Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD)

Chris Smith (R-NJ)

Frank Wolf (R-VA)

Chris Chocola (R-IN)

Bobby Jindal (R-LA)

Rick Renzi (R-AZ)

Mark Kirk (R-IL)

Ron Lewis (R-KY)

Rob Aderholt (R-AL)

Randy J. Forbes (R-VA)

Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (R-CA)

John Boozman (R-AR)

Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ)

John E. Sweeney (R-NY)

Michael R. Turner (R-OH)

Dennis R. Rehberg (R-MT-At Large)

Tom Osborne (R-NE)

Scott Garrett (R-NJ)

Pete Sessions (R-TX)

John Linder (R-GA)

Todd W. Akin (R-MO)

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)

Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV)

Phil Gingrey (R-GA)

Robin Hayes (R-NC)

John J. Duncan, Jr. (R-TN)

Bob Inglis (R-SC)

Virginia Foxx (R-NC)

Lee Terry (R-NE)

Dave Weldon (R-FL)

Nancy L. Johnson (R-CT)

Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL)

Melissa Hart (R-PA)

John Sullivan (R-OK)

Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL)

Adam H. Putnam (R-FL)

Don Young (R-AK-At Large)

Peter King (R-NY)

Daniel E. Lungren (R-CA)

Michael T. McCaul (R-TX)

Katherine Harris (R-FL)

John Hostettler (R-IN)

Paul E. Gillmor (R-OH)

Roy Blunt (R-MO)

Michael Simpson (R-ID)

Tom Price (R-GA)

Charlie Norwood (R-GA)

Michael Bilirakis (R-FL)

Spencer Bachus (R-AL)

Henry E. Brown, Jr. (R-SC)

Thomas G. Tancredo (R-CO)

Terry Everett (R-AL)

Robert Ney (R-OH)

Ed Whitfield (R-KY)

Wally Herger (R-CA)

Mark Foley (R-FL)

Jeb Hensarling (R-TX)

Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA)

Mike Rogers (R-MI)

John J. H. "Joe" Schwarz (R-MI)

Jon C. Porter (R-NV)

Kay Granger (R-TX)

Greg Walden (R-OR)

Mary Bono (R-CA)

Anne Northup (R-KY)

John Kline (R-MN)

Frank D. Lucas (R-OK)

Candice S. Miller (R-MI)

William Jenkins (R-TN)

Patrick McHenry (R-NC)

Sue W. Kelly (R-NY)

Mike Pence (R-IN)

Kenny Hulshof (R-MO)

Cathy McMorris (R-WA)

Ralph Regula (R-OH)

John Carter (R-TX)

Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI)

James Leach (R-IA)

Jim Kolbe (R-AZ)

Bill Shuster (R-PA)

John McHugh (R-NY)

Tim Murphy (R-PA)

Barbara Cubin (R-WY-at large)

Michael Conaway (R-TX)

Chris Cannon (R-UT)

Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)

Jim Ryun (R-KS)

Jeb Bradley (R-NH)

Steven C. LaTourette (R-OH)

Ander Crenshaw (R-FL)

Bill Young (R-FL)

Melissa Bean (D-IL)

Jack Kingston (R-GA)

Ed Royce (R-CA)

Tom Cole (R-OK)

Patrick Tiberi (R-OH)



Democrats (101)




John Murtha, John P. (D-PA)

Ike Skelton (D-MO)

Jim Cooper (D-TN)

Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)

Solomon Ortiz (D-TX)

Silvestre Reyes (D-TX)

Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX)

Joe Baca (D-CA)

Bob Etheridge (D-NC)

James R. Langevin (D-RI)

Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)

Nydia Velazquez (D-NY)

Ed Pastor (D-AZ)

Eliot Engel (D-NY)

Loretta T. Sanchez (D-CA)

Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA)

Mike McIntyre (D-NC)

Louise McIntosh Slaughter (D-NY)

Corrine Brown (D-FL)

Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)

Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)

Sam Farr (D-CA)

Chet Edwards (D-TX)

Bill Pascrell (D-NJ)

Nita M. Lowey (D-NY)

Neil Abercrombie (D -HI)

Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD)

Gwen Moore (D-WI)

Madeline Z. Bordallo (D-GU)

Maurice D. Hinchey (D-NY)

Nick J. Rahall, II (D-WV)

Robert Brady (D-PA)

Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)

Mike Doyle (D-PA)

Tim Holden (D-PA)

G.K. Butterfield (D-NC)

Dale E. Kildee (D-MI)

James E. Clyburn (D-SC)

Steve Israel (D-NY)

Harold Ford (D-TN)

John Larson (D-CT)

Eni Faleomavaega (D-AS)

Ken Meek (D-FL)

John Dingell (D-MI)

Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)

Rush Holt (D-NJ)

Vernon J. Ehlers (D-MI)

Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL)

Martin Olav Sabo (D-MN)

Anna G. Eshoo (D-CA)

David Wu (D-OR)

Grace F. Napolitano (D-CA)

Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)

Ruben HinoJosa (D-TX)

John M. Spratt, Jr. (D-SC)

Norman D. Dicks (D-WA)

Edward Markey (D-MA)

Jane Harman (D-CA)

Peter DeFazio (D-OR)

Bart Stupak (D-MI)

Susan A. Davis (D-CA)

Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)

Hilda Solis (D-CA)

Gene Green (D-TX)

Martin T. Meehan (D-MA)

Marion Berry (D-AR)

Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)

James P. Moran (D-VA)

Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD)

Maxine Waters (D-CA)

John Lewis (D-GA)

Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)

Chaka Fattah (D-PA)

Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)

Lane Evans (D-IL)

Shelley Berkley (D-NV)

Bill Delahunt (D-MA)

Rick Larsen (D-WA)

Robert E. (Bud) Cramer, Jr. (D-AL)

Gene Taylor (D-MS)

Allyson Y. Schwartz (D-PA)

Richard E. Neal (D-MA)

Al Green (D-TX)

Robert Wexler (D-FL)

John T. Salazar (D-CO)

Michael Capuano (D-MA)

Mike Thompson (D-CA)

Collin Peterson (D-MN)

Joseph Crowley (D-NY)

Robert Andrews (D-NJ)

Mark Udall (D-CO)

George Miller (D-CA)

Adam Smith (D-WA)

Michael Honda (D-CA)

Anthony Weiner (D-NY)

Steven R. Rothman (D-NJ)

Bennie Thompson (D-MS)

Jerry Costello (D-IL)

Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ)

Allen Boyd (D-FL)

[democraticinsurgent]

15. Few Congresscritters may know the truth

That list of petitioners includes many of the nuttiest of the wingnuts, along with some of the better D's like Cynthia McKinney and Maxine Waters. Notice that they are only petitioning for testimony by the Able Danger folks, and not a complete new investigation.

I do think this says that Wheldon and most of the other House folks may not have any idea what kind of coverup has been constructed. Only a very limited and carefully controlled investigation would function to point blame at Clinton; even then, things could blow up as there's so much cover-up evidence connected to the Able Danger thing that Bushco's cone of silence could truly collapse.

I posted something about this a couple of weeks ago...I'm all in favor of any Congressional folks pulling on the loose threads of 9/11. Let's all sit back and see what happens.

If any thing comes of this, I'm hoping that DU adminstrators will let us 9/11 investigators out of the basement. It's cold and drafty down there, and there are spiders in the corners. Keeps me from wanting to post much.

[cyberpj]

17. Still hangin' with ya. Ignore the spiders. Many of us waiting for more

to unravel as well...

[pberq]

21. Agreed.

I like your analogy "pulling on the loose threads of 9/11".

Do you really think these people are really that much out of the loop? ("I do think this says that Wheldon and most of the other House folks may not have any idea what kind of coverup has been constructed.")

How could it be that we here on DU with nothing but an Internet connection could have a better idea of the coverup than someone in Congress with a staff working for them?

Isn't it just possible that these people are as outraged as we are, whether they're R or D? (I'm just throuwing this out for discussion - I really have no idea myself).

[robertpaulsen]

44. Good to know it's a bipartisan call, not just wingnuts looking to smear.

Thanks for keeping on top of this, seemslikeadream. I think Dems like Murtha, McKinney and Kucinich know that Able Danger is just the tip of the 9/11 iceberg. Anything that gets us closer to the truth is worth pursuing.

[seemslikeadream]

45. Oh robertpaulsen

so good to see you. Here is a present for YOU!

http://eclectech.co.uk/messagefestive.php?i=oM

[robertpaulsen]

48. I love it!

You really know how to celebrate the season. :loveya:

Fitzmas time is here again! :toast:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051207/ap_on_go_ot/cia_leak_4
http://www.observer.com/themediamob/2005/12/times-novak-to-testify-tomorrow.html

[cyberpj]

16. Wish that Patrick Henry Center could have helped Sibel Edmonds. nt.

[pberq]

20. Kick! - Recommended

Thanks Seemslikeadream,

I don't care what else Weldon has done. If he can get ANY of the truth about 9/11 out, it is worth it.

To the folks who think he's after Clinton - a reminder that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. The evidence of gross negligence (at the very least) on the part of the Bush administration is overwhelming. They have used 9/11 as an excuse for every criminal act they have performed since then. See info on the PNAC.

The most important thing that can happen is for the truth of 9/11 to be exposed - I am not proposing any theory - I just want to know the truth.

Speaking of theories - of all the conspiracy theories out there, the wildest one is the official one - see David Ray Griffin's and Michael Ruppert's books.

[MiniMe]

22. They are going to try to put the blame on Clinton.

Bush hadn't even been elected in September 2000

[seemslikeadream]

23. Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678

Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.

[MiniMe]

24. Good point, but when have these neocons ever cared about the truth?

[pberq]

27. This is very important information and should be kept in mind

[0007]

25. bttft

[Pewlett Hackard]

42. back

up!

[seemslikeadream]

43. Hey there Pewlett Hackard

:hi: Thanks and a message for you!

http://eclectech.co.uk/messagefestive.php?i=oI

[brentspeak]

47. GARY ALDRICH???!!!

The guy who claimed that the White House staff had arranged prostitutes to stay at the local Marriot so that Bill Clinton could visit them? His source of information? David Brock, who later said it merely a rumor, never meant to be taken seriously.

You mean that Gary Aldrich?

[psychopomp]

50. Thanks for all the info

Good thread.