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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:10 PM
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Blueprint for a Mess
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/02/magazine/02IRAQ.html?ex=1068739747&ei=1&en=26e01c9fadbb7852

On the streets of Baghdad today, Americans do not feel welcome. United States military personnel in the city are hunkered down behind acres of fencing and razor wire inside what was once Saddam Hussein's Republican Palace. When L. Paul Bremer III, head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, leaves the compound, he is always surrounded by bodyguards, carbines at the ready, and G.I.'s on patrol in the city's streets never let their hands stray far from the triggers of their machine guns or M-16 rifles. The official line from the White House and the Pentagon is that things in Baghdad and throughout Iraq are improving. But an average of 35 attacks are mounted each day on American forces inside Iraq by armed resisters of one kind or another, whom American commanders concede are operating with greater and greater sophistication. In the back streets of Sadr City, the impoverished Baghdad suburb where almost two million Shiites live -- and where Bush administration officials and Iraqi exiles once imagined American troops would be welcomed with sweets and flowers -- the mood, when I visited in September, was angry and resentful. In October, the 24-member American-appointed Iraqi Governing Council warned of a deteriorating security situation.

Historically, it is rare that a warm welcome is extended to an occupying military force for very long, unless, that is, the postwar goes very smoothly. And in Iraq, the postwar occupation has not gone smoothly.

I have made two trips to Iraq since the end of the war and interviewed dozens of sources in Iraq and in the United States who were involved in the planning and execution of the war and its aftermath. It is becoming painfully clear that the American plan (if it can even be dignified with the name) for dealing with postwar Iraq was flawed in its conception and ineptly carried out. At the very least, the bulk of the evidence suggests that what was probably bound to be a difficult aftermath to the war was made far more difficult by blinkered vision and overoptimistic assumptions on the part of the war's greatest partisans within the Bush administration. The lack of security and order on the ground in Iraq today is in large measure a result of decisions made and not made in Washington before the war started, and of the specific approaches toward coping with postwar Iraq undertaken by American civilian officials and military commanders in the immediate aftermath of the war.

Despite administration claims, it is simply not true that no one could have predicted the chaos that ensued after the fall of Saddam Hussein. In fact, many officials in the United States, both military and civilian, as well as many Iraqi exiles, predicted quite accurately the perilous state of things that exists in Iraq today. There was ample warning, both on the basis of the specifics of Iraq and the precedent of other postwar deployments -- in Panama, Kosovo and elsewhere -- that the situation in postwar Iraq was going to be difficult and might become unmanageable. What went wrong was not that no one could know or that no one spoke out. What went wrong is that the voices of Iraq experts, of the State Department almost in its entirety and, indeed, of important segments of the uniformed military were ignored. As much as the invasion of Iraq and the rout of Saddam Hussein and his army was a triumph of planning and implementation, the mess that is postwar Iraq is a failure of planning and implementation.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:16 PM
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1. Holy Smokes!
This is a must read and about fucking time I might add!
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:41 PM
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2. I like this article
In fact, many officials in the United States, both military and civilian, as well as many Iraqi exiles, predicted quite accurately the perilous state of things that exists in Iraq today.

A lot of DUers did!

It's so nice to read things that aren't pandering to the bush administration.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 10:58 PM
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3. Good gawd that's one LONG and DAMNING article!
Is this in the NYT, or in some "NYT Magazine?" What the hell is a "NYT Magazine," anyway? Either way, I hope a few more folks can bring themselves to read the whole thing. But to distill it for those who won't - shrub's war was fucked over from the get-go, but he couldn't have given the lesser of two shits. Ouch.

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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:06 AM
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4. Kick
Dump Bu$h
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 02:34 AM
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5. Sunday supplement magazine from New York Times....
Magazine produced by the New York Times as a supplement each Sunday (not an outside publication, like the Parade magazine included in many Sunday newspapers across the country). Carries articles about hard news topics, and feature stories, plus cooking, fashion, etc.

And agreed -- this article is an excellent analysis of how Iraq was wrong from the very beginning.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 05:44 AM
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6. This is missing the point entirely, IMO
The mess was expected. The mess was the goal. It still is. It is absolutely typical of the conservative strategy and tactic.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 06:08 AM
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7. from the end of the article....
Excellent read throughout Folks! Names all the players and pulls no punches,PNAC,OSP....it is in there!

I believe this should be required reading for evey member of congress....

<snip>The Next Steps
In Iraq today, there is a steadily increasing disconnect between what the architects of the occupation think they are accomplishing and how Iraqis on the street evaluate postwar progress. And as the security situation fails to improve, these perceptions continue to darken.

The Bush administration fiercely denies that this ''alarmist'' view accurately reflects Iraqi reality. It insists that the positive account it has been putting forward is the real truth and that the largely downbeat account in much of the press is both inaccurate and unduly despairing. The corner has been turned, administration officials repeat.

Whether the United States is eventually successful in Iraq (and saying the mission ''has to succeed,'' as so many people do in Washington, is not a policy but an expression of faith), even supporters of the current approach of the Coalition Provisional Authority concede that the United States is playing catch-up in Iraq. This is largely, though obviously not entirely, because of the lack of postwar planning during the run-up to the war and the mistakes of the first 60 days after the fall of Saddam Hussein. And the more time passes, the clearer it becomes that what happened in the immediate aftermath of what the administration calls Operation Iraqi Freedom was a self-inflicted wound, a morass of our own making.

Call it liberation or occupation, a dominating American presence in Iraq was probably destined to be more difficult, and more costly in money and in blood, than administration officials claimed in the months leading up to the war. But it need not have been this difficult. Had the military been as meticulous in planning its strategy and tactics for the postwar as it was in planning its actions on the battlefield, the looting of Baghdad, with all its disastrous material and institutional and psychological consequences, might have been stopped before it got out of control. Had the collective knowledge embedded in the Future of Iraq Project been seized upon, rather than repudiated by, the Pentagon after it gained effective control of the war and postwar planning a few months before the war began, a genuine collaboration between the American authorities and Iraqis, both within the country and from the exiles, might have evolved. And had the lessons of nation-building -- its practice but also its inevitability in the wars of the 21st century -- been embraced by the Bush administration, rather than dismissed out of hand, then the opportunities that did exist in postwar Iraq would not have been squandered as, in fact, they were.

The real lesson of the postwar mess is that while occupying and reconstructing Iraq was bound to be difficult, the fact that it may be turning into a quagmire is not a result of fate, but rather (as quagmires usually are) a result of poor planning and wishful thinking. Both have been in evidence to a troubling degree in American policy almost from the moment the decision was made to overthrow Saddam Hussein's bestial dictatorship.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:52 AM
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8. well FINALLY the PNAC agenda is in a magazine
and for how long have we been SCREAMING about it??????????
Too bad so many US citizens wont see it spelled out quite so succinctly in their local rags.
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:08 AM
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9. It's being said. It filters down.
Compare this to the days after 9/11 when supposedly sensible objective mainstream pubs were comparing * to Churchill, Lincoln and Roosevelt.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:46 AM
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10. Excellent article....thanks for the post
Long but certainly worth the time, since once again it points out the woefully inept planning that took place before the invasion of Iraq.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 03:28 PM
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14. Wishful Thinking
There was no planning only wishful thinking.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:32 AM
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11. David Reiff, the Author of this piece is on NPR now...
on The Connection....
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:45 PM
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12. This validates Kerry's positions
Which is to avoid the whole sense of occupation after a "war".

Of course were Kerry President there wouldn't have been a war.
Kerry would have handled the situation the best out of anyone running.

Article on one page (printer format)
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 03:20 PM
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13. "There was ample warning..."
Of course there was ample warning about Iraq, just as there was ample warning about 9/11. In both cases, the Bush administration chose to ignore it. These people are guilty of criminal negligence of the highest order.

Where is the outrage?? I want to know!! :grr: :mad:
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