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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 08:57 PM
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Book: CIA Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_iraq

WASHINGTON - A new book on the government's secret anti-terrorism operations describes how the CIA recruited an Iraqi-American anesthesiologist in 2002 to obtain information from her brother, who was a figure in Saddam Hussein's nuclear program.

Dr. Sawsan Alhaddad of Cleveland made the dangerous trip to Iraq on the CIA's behalf. The book said her brother was stunned by her questions about the nuclear program because — he said — it had been dead for a decade.

New York Times reporter James Risen uses the anecdote to illustrate how the CIA ignored information that Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction. His book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration" describes secret operations of the Bush administration's war on terrorism.

The major revelation in the book has already been the subject of extensive reporting by Risen's newspaper: the National Security Agency's eavesdropping of Americans' conversations without obtaining warrants from a special court.

(more at link)
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:04 PM
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1. Well Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.....
I think I'm gonna write a book next titled "George Bush is a Lying Sack Of Crap".
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:38 PM
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13. I think you could turn it into a song.
:)
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:41 PM
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14. You forgot "Sha zam".
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:49 PM
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20. Go for it
I'd by it. In fact I might make the bookcover over this week.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:43 AM
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31. I can see it in your eyes
Shazam - Gomer Pyle, USMC
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:13 PM
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2. This is the guy who wrote "the article" that was witheld.
Alas, I imagine that no one will pay attention to this book either.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:14 PM
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3. ya know,.its all coming out fast and furious...
and i just said to my hubby..its so much that i can understand for americans who have been sleep walking for 5 years..its an awful lot for people to grasp..for those of us who have been onto all of the bush criminal acts all these years..we get it..but for people not paying attention..its an awful lot for them to put their arms around...i fear aturation to the point that they turn off again...
politically aware people will always get it...but those who live with blind folds on ..they may just shut down again...

just my 2 cents..

but thank god for Mr. Risen..seems he was a mighty pissed off man that his story was blocked and he has impecable integrity and is going to get the story out come hell or high water!

yeah Mr Risen...we love you!! and respect you!!

fly
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:15 PM
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4. New Book Reveals Secret War Operations
New Book Reveals Secret War Operations

Monday, January 2, 2006

(01-02) 14:19 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --

A new book on the government's secret anti-terrorism operations describes how the CIA recruited an Iraqi-American anesthesiologist in 2002 to obtain information from her brother, who was a figure in Saddam Hussein's nuclear program.

Dr. Sawsan Alhaddad of Cleveland made the dangerous trip to Iraq on the CIA's behalf. The book said her brother was stunned by her questions about the nuclear program because — he said — it had been dead for a decade.

New York Times reporter James Risen uses the anecdote to illustrate how the CIA ignored information that Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction. His book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration" describes secret operations of the Bush administration's war on terrorism.

The major revelation in the book has already been the subject of extensive reporting by Risen's newspaper: the National Security Agency's eavesdropping of Americans' conversations without obtaining warrants from a special court.
(snip/...)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/02/national/w141950S37.DTL
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:15 PM
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5. even a half assed investigation will sink BushCo
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:27 PM
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11. LMAO
Great image!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:21 AM
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28. That depends on........
who is doing the investigating. If Gonzo and the rest of the rubber stamp Justice Department are the only ones to investigate I expect a white-washed report with little substance. Liken it to the last two presidential elections. It's not how many votes that were cast for which candidate, it's who counts those votes. If Justice is allowed to "count" the transgressions of the bush administration I'm positive the number will be small and insignificant. It's always nice to investigate yourself and of course, find no evidence of wrong doing.
On the other hand, an independent investigation would probably lead to impeachment. Which do you think the bush administration is going to push and fight for? The lock-step Republicans and a handful of spineless Democrats will determine which one we get. My only hope is that there are enough Republicans with the integrity and love of country before party that will demand an independent investigation. Otherwise this will be swept under the carpet like so many preceding bush administration evil deeds.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:15 PM
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6. I don't think the CIA necessarily ignored the information
Perhaps the very upper levels of the organization did, as that is exactly what the Bush administration wanted from them.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:05 AM
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23. That is a semantic that makes little difference to the issue - IMO... n/t
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:15 PM
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7. I like the AP version "Book: CIA Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD"
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-CIA-Iraq.html


:)

Bush and the CIA KNEW there was no WMD....
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:15 PM
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8. kick
:kick:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:20 PM
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9. the neoCONs 'Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD' wtf is wrong with the M$M?!?
how come it was clear to DU readers before the war that Iraq wasn't a threat?

because the CIA and others told us.

why can't the M$M report that fact?

psst, M$M...

We're Here!



peace
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:46 AM
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32. Hundreds of thousands of peace marchers figured this out
Why can't Joe Sixpack?
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:21 PM
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10. Intel was cooked
it's that simple


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html


"the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy"


"little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action"
as if post invasion occupation was a walk in the park.... whaddya expect
from chickenhawks?
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 09:37 PM
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12. Can I call him on his bullshit?
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 09:38 PM by tuvor
There were a ton of articles like this posted on BuzzFlash well before bush decided to invade.

WHY THE CIA THINKS BUSH IS WRONG
The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
13 October 2002
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA IN BLOW TO BUSH ATTACK PLANS
The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.
October 10, 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

WHITE HOUSE 'EXAGGERATING IRAQI THREAT'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence
October 9, 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html


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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:00 PM
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15. We Have to Impeach Him
It's imperative.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:20 PM
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16. BULLSHIT. And that's a known and proven FACT.
Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment

The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-02.htm

The CIA NEVER ONCE said "there is no doubt"...BUSH DID. bush LIED.

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong
The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans

The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug...

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Unmanned aircraft
" ... The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, US Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents."

bushit:

-"We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-WMD
"We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs."

bushit:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly"

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction."

"We know where they are."

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Nuclear program
"The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons."

bushit:

"Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

It sure as fuck wasn't the CIA or any other US intell who ignored the facts.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:22 PM
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19. i think the cia may be divided over support for this admin....
just like the rest of the country
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:51 AM
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21. It was BUSH, not the CIA, who ignored the intel
I think there will be a concerted effort among pro-Bush authors releasing new books financed by big business attempting to explain that Bush merely received "bad" intel from intelligence agencies. Just as there's a concerted effort in the media to make Reagan an "icon", there is a new attempt to make Bush a "victim" of bad intel on Iraq. Total bullshit.
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The Roux Comes First Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:26 AM
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22. Thanks, Lynn. Imperative this not be forgotten! (eom)
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:59 AM
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27. My first thought upon reading this article was is he sure they were CIA?
and not DIA?


With all that's known about how the CIA had doubts about the intel (including having kicked Chalabi and the INC out on it's ass back in 1996), I find it very hard to believe the CIA ignored any intel.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:30 PM
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17. I love the fact that this article has TWO versions of the headline.
Headline one from 4 hours ago:

New Book Reveals Secret War Operations



Headline Two from 2 hours ago:

Book: CIA Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD


Guess which one "NewsMax" picked up?

(Both are the same AP article w/o "by line")

If anyone finds the un-edited original (with the authors "By line"), please post it.

This article looks like KKKarl Rove Production to me.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:45 PM
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18. Of course they ignored it. It wasn't what they wanted to hear.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:33 AM
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24. Cheney's frequent visits to CIA hq telling them not to ignore Iraq WMD
that was not there, was not ignored.

Sounds like a Rummyism.:silly:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:34 AM
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25. Bush and his neocons deliberately lied and "sexed up" WMD reports.
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 04:38 AM by oasis
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:35 AM
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26. The American and British public were fed lies by Blair and Bush.
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 04:42 AM by oasis
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 08:05 AM
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29. Pay attention because this is REALLY important!
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 08:06 AM by whosinpower
Bush had repeatedly stated that Saddam Hussien failed to comply with a whole host of UN resolutions - and that is why Bush invaded. It is his flimsy legal defense for invading a nation. But this book indicates pretty strongly that Bush and the CIA KNEW that Saddam had abandoned his WMD a decade ago.

Let that sink in.......we all suggest that Bush is a war criminal - but this is the strongest evidence yet that I have seen that leads us to the conclusion that Bush is a war criminal - he is no better than Saddam. I am sorry the American president is such - but he is no better.......

And what tribunal shall he face for his crimes???????
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:43 PM
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36. Also take note of the last two paragraphs dealing with IRAN
They destroyed their intelligence operations in Iran...and they're having the gall to start ratcheting the rhetoric!

It appears Cheney's cabal won the 'intelligence' war on Iraq, thanks to the likes of Perle and Cambone. :grr:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:35 AM
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30. "all of them reported that the programs had been abandoned..."
...In October 2002, a month after the doctor's trip to Baghdad, the U.S intelligence community issued a National Intelligence Estimate that concluded Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program."

ok, so they get THIRTY reports saying the exact opposite and their reacton is 'iraq is reconstituting...' ??? what lunacy is that. i gues s bush told 'em what sort of 'intel' he wanted and they gave it to him.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:47 AM
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33. The pros in the agency all said there were no WMD
Their politically appointed superiors then wrote fiction for the neo-conjob.
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dwp6577 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:53 PM
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34. years from now, we'll be saying...
the world is better off because we removed him and his regime from power...


BUT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE IDIOT BOY KING AND HIS RETUHGS!


Dare to dream :)
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:36 PM
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35. voted it up on yahoo n/t
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