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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 02:46 AM Original message |
New Credit Card Law |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'm ready |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 05:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm readier |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Same here. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. Once I get this one paid off, I'm done with them forever. |
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InsultComicDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don't know who Jessica Wheeler is... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. new 'credit card law' - aimed to help consumers (and hurt credit card cos) |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. A question: What do you consider "predatory lending"? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Going after very high risk lendees |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. To me, the lesson is "If you don't understand it, don't sign it". |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Oh come on |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. What ISN'T readable by a 7th grader? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You know 7th graders that could read and understand those things? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. What "legalese"? It's all plain English... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If you really think people read contracts, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Isn't that a consumer issue, though? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Why is it their responsibility |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I'm not pretending that the banking industry is anything but a business. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. But I'm not saying it is. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. But the crux of the issue is consumer education, not greed. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. We would not have the same problem. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
103. Watch out for sounding like you are blaming the victim n/t |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Credit card agreements |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. But the consumer KNOWS that... |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. The point is, most consumers DON'T know that. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. If you don't understand a contract, why sign it? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. The language in credit card agreements is written for obfuscation. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. All of the applications I've seen are written in plain English. |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
100. I did read what I signed, and still totally did not expect what happened |
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InsultComicDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I consider predatory lending to be |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I understand, but nobody's holding a gun to the consumer's head... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. How about a right |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. The penalties for late payments are stipulated in the contract... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. There should be no right to usury. |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You know, FlaGranny, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It's not usury...it's a penalty for violating the terms of the contract. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. No, you can't call usurious interest rates a penalty. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Actually, the law says that's what they are.... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. The law is wrong. The law was written |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Were were discussing definitions. These hikes don't qualify as "usury". |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. So you're backing up a law |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Not endorsing it, I just don't see a problem with it. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You don't endorse it, but don't see a problem with it? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Would you be happier if they just used $250 late fees? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. It was called usury before rethugs changed it. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I'm honestly interested. Would you be O.K. if they just charged high |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. I think so, yes. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. I don't see the difference, but I respect your view. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
104. You are mistaken |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
93. Credit card co's have been known... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. They do, metaphorically... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That's a separate issue (the gas company). |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Ever get injured and lose income for a few months? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Hey, they shouldn't have gotten sick, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. Your car analogy doesn't work... |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
99. My car analogy does work, because it's a true story, and the |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
90. That happened to me too. |
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InsultComicDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. You might prefer to blame the victims |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Fair enough...we disagree. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Lenders have the responsibility to fully disclose |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I think it's more of a consumer awareness issue... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. That sounds a lot like the |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. I realize you were being sarcastic, but I agree with your statement. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So the uneducated shouldn't be granted cards. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Somebody incapable of understanding a contract shouldn't sign one. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Think of it this way. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Are you advocating a national IQ registry? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. They can't. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. So the poor shouldn't be granted cards? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. You must have misread. |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
97. After reading all you responses I can only ask... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 06:59 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. And they have worked very hard to make the language |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Where have I heard that before? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Oh, I've erred in the past...and paid the consequences. |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You misunderstood what I wrote |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. You REALLY feel that only a lawyer can understand a credit card app? |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I'm a good lawyer |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I didn't ask you for a feeling about a legal document. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. application or contract? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. See post #6, and |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. Aparently all the blame goes to the predated. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. When I was a boy, I would at times go to my stepfather's work on Saturdays |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. There isn't any gray area... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Nobody's suggesting gratitude, just responsibility. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Yes, everyone should read every contract before they sign, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. But isn't that the CONSUMER'S fault? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. No, it isn't the same at all. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. You're changing the issue... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Why does a subject need to be narrowed to one aspect? |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Most tire stores don't charge for rotation |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
107. Responsibility can fall to 2 persons |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #107 |
112. I actually agree with that. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Let me guess. |
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pinniped (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
7. Does this compute? |
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InsultComicDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It will mess some people up |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Ya think?? eom. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. yes, this is the intention |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. how, exactly, will it prevent that? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-04-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Heh. People who could pay more already are |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. It won't help people stuck on minimum payments |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. Who was behind this law? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
28. designed to help consumers? I call BS |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
110. yes, that's the usual bullshit-'helpful', then you're sent an offer |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
30. CREDIT UNIONS offer credit cards |
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catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. They did a news blip on our local |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Just had that happen to me this week. A credit card |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
84. Paid my entire balance off in FULL |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
101. This happens to just about everyone once or twice. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
88. I don't think it will change much for me |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
96. gonna ask a really dumb question: |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Because some people are in dire financial straits. |
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pretzel2 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
108. at least SOME adolescents should get it |
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BlueCollar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
109. as soon as I refinance my house payment |
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pretzel2 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
111. crunching the numbers |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
113. Absolutely nothing wrong with credit cards, if one doesn't |
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michiganbuckeye1970 (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
115. Necessary to our Evil |
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