Israel's Sharon en route to hospital - source

[sabra]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0428207.htm

04 Jan 2006 20:17:01 GMT

Source: Reuters

ISRAEL'S SHARON EN ROUTE TO HOSPITAL - MEDICAL SERVICE

more:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04621338.htm


04 Jan 2006 20:22:49 GMT

Source: Reuters

SHARON HOSPITALISED "AFTER FEELING UNWELL" - POLITICAL SOURCE

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. BBC - Sharon rushed to hospital

Feeling unwell.

[Scurrilous]

2. Sharon rushed to J'lem hospital; reason unclear

<snip>

"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was rushed to the Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem, in Jerusalem on Wednesday evening after complaining of pain.

Channel 10 reported that Sharon was taken to hospital at his request, and that he was fully conscious as he was taken in his armored car to the hospital.

Sharon was at his home in the Sycamore Ranch, preparing for his planned catheterization procedure on Thursday morning at the Hadassah Hospital.

Both his sons, Gilad and Omri were with the prime minister at the time, and they accompanied him to the hospital."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/666364.html

[davidinalameda]

3. this is not good

I hate to admit it but Sharon is the best choice for peace

I had the feeling that his "minor" stroke was more than just that

[uppityperson]

4. Arafat is still dead though

[NuttyFluffers]

154. Generalissimo Franco is still dead, too!

:evilgrin:

[Rhiannon12866]

191. Really?! I just thought that he took another "turn for the worse..."

:shrug:

[Greeby]

5. Umm, wouldn't it be best if they released this once he got to the hospital

Sharon ain't exactly popular in some parts :hide:

[Tempest]

6. That'll happen when you've been accused of taking $3 million in bribes

The best thing for Sharon right now would be to kick the bucket and forego further embarrassment.

[tatertop]

8. Wonder if sinister Bibi is waiting in the wings, smacking his chops

If there is one thing Bush has taught me it is that
things can always get worse.

[Tempest]

13. I wouldn't be surprised to find out...

Bibi is slowly poisoning Sharon.

Bibi is a viper and would strangle his mother on national TV if it meant obtaining power.

[tatertop]

15. Yes, he is all of that.

I am hoping he does not surface again.
He would actually we worse than Sharon
and horrible for world peace.

[0007]

64. Argh! We don't always get the best things offered. But prison,

Mordechai Vanunu (The Israel Nuclear Scientist) style, would be poetic justice.

[Turbineguy]

7. Well, with luck

........

Nah, I'm not going there.

[liberalpragmatist]

9. This is winding up to be one of the craziest elections in Israel ever

You have the disintegration of the old Labor/Likud two-party system, the capture of Labor by Socialist Amir Peretz and his working-class backers, the formation of a new large centrist party that took more than 2/3 of the Likud and many of the top Laborites, Sharon's first "minor" stroke, major allegations of bribery against Sharon, and now Sharon's second stroke.

I don't think anyone knows how this is going to turn out.

[951-Riverside]

10. He's fat and old, not a good combo.

I still wish him the best I'll reserve my worst wishes for Bush & Cheney.

[papau]

11. Fat and old - - sigh - - describes a few of us!

:-)

[hang a left]

54. I AM NOT FAT!

[papau]

61. LOL - nor am I in my wife's eyes :-)

but the grandkids are honest and truth-tellers!

:-)

[arcos]

12. MSNBC: Sharon suffers "significant stroke"... nt

[Cooley Hurd]

14. CNN also reporting it as "significant stroke..."

Sharon's power transferred to deputy PM.

He's on a respirator, according to Blitzer.

Not sounding good for ol' Ariel...

[matcom]

16. CNN: Sharon Suffered SIGNIFICANT Stroke

breaking now

[Connie_Corleone]

17. Is this a new stroke or more details about the last one?

[matcom]

18. new. today

[Lone_Star_Dem]

20. New from what I just saw

nt

[Tempest]

24. New stroke

He was taken to the hospital this morning.


Your handle is appropriate for this thread, Connie.

Like Don Corleone, Sharon was into bribes and corruption.

[arcos]

19. cnn.com also says powers have been transfered to his deputy... nt

[Loonman]

21. Freepers will say it's payback

For supporting the Gaza pullout.

[stopbush]

22. "It's a miracle! He's already up and walking about!" sez Anderson Cooper.

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. It was a miracle that he HAD the stroke

A miracle for all the people who have been hurt by his policies.

[matcom]

27. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:thumbsup:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

23. I see it too!

Wow. this is going to throw a loop into the neo-cons plans....either that, or this is their doing because Sharon wouln't go along... and this is bad!! :scared:

[6th Borough]

118. No matter what you think of Sharon, Benjamin Netenyahu is worse...

much worse.

...and more charismatic, which makes it worse again by several-fold.

Hopefully Israel isn't ready for another round of Bibi...not to mention, with the splitering of Likud, if Likud were to return to power, they would have to align with Kachists (under a different name, of course).

[liberalnurse]

26. I'm not surprised....

I has been about 10 days since the minor bleed/stroke. If he had a brain bleed, the healing clot dissipates in 10 days. It's like the glue dries up.

[htuttle]

28. His stroke's timing is almost as good as William Casey's stroke

Remarkable...

[woodsprite]

38. Is there some link between Sharon's stroke, * calling in all

the SoS's, and a possible Iran strike? I'm not feeling too happy right now. What a wonderful distraction from the Abramoff scandal. Somebody better spill a tankerload of shit if anyone in the know with morals hopes to avert another 911.

[...of J.Temperance]

63. I'm not sure that there is any injection that you can give a stroke to

Someone with. I mean, Sharon is 78 and I think he's had some health problems before, the stroke could be entirely natural.

Sometimes the timing of these things seem odd, but coincidences do happen and Sharon has had a second stroke and yes the election is in February, not everything is a conspiracy :)

[goclark]

196. I just heard that it could have been the blood thinners

that he had been taking.

Does anyone know anymore about that information?

[Cooley Hurd]

29. On respirator; paralysis of lower body; Sajay Gupta saying...

...this is quite serious.

[liberalnurse]

36. Yeap....this is it!

He's not going to be the Prime Minister. I just wonder if he had an aneurysm , brain bleeding or a clot?

[The Stranger]

30. How can he suffer another stroke while in a hospital, under the direct

care of physicians, and, presumably, being monitored by nurses and hospital personnel?

[SW FL Dem]

31. He wasn't in the hospital

He was at home. He was scheduled for a procedure in the hospital tomorrow.

[Ian David]

32. Maybe he was poisoned by Hamas?

:sarcasm:

[Up2Late]

49. But I don't think he eats Hummus?!?

Hummus is a Arab food, and very Yummy (I like it blended with Garlic) :evilgrin:

BTW: NPR just said he suffered a "Cerebral Hemorrhage," is that worst that a Stoke?:shrug:

[sabbat hunter]

100. there are two types of strokes

ones caused by a clot (his first stroke) and a cerebral hemmorage (bleeding in the brain)

[AntiCoup2K4]

190. Poisoned? possibly

Hamas? Try a little closer to home.

(no sarcasm)

[nodehopper]

40. no, he was rushed to the hospital

they just said on NPR that he was supposed to have an operation to close the hole in his heart tomorrow and he started feeling bad today.

[liberalnurse]

43. It happens every day....

Disease can not be completely stopped.

[uppityperson]

52. because drs and nurses and hospitals can't prevent everything

can't cure everything either.

[Whoa_Nelly]

57. Strokes aren't always preventable n/t

[rainbow4321]

69. We're health care providers, not God

Someone could be hooked up to every possible monitor, several health care people around his/her bed and still suffer a stroke, heart attack, blod clot...
I've seen a woman up walking around the unit, watching TV/joking with the staff and literally within 2 hours she stroked out, unresponsive, CAT scan showing her brain shifted. She died within a day.
The way it was explained to us by a neuro doc is that once someone reaches 75 or 80+ years, giving them heparin "drips" is very risky, they are really sensitive to it..so the chance is higher for them to bleed out..the clot is gone but now they have swung to the other extreme really quick.
My semi-rant is not directed at **you**, I'm just sharing what I, as a nurse, have seen.

[tavalon]

184. Damn

I should have read ahead before I jumped in. I said basically the same thing. Not to hijack the thread but I think that people have a very skewed view of what we can do and some (not all, don't jump on me) malpractice suits come out of that very belief, that and ambulance chasing lawyers.

[The Stranger]

195. Nice try.

But you have hijacked the thread with Right Wing propaganda, and it must be addressed.

Malpractice suits arise because doctors fuck up. That is correct -- doctors are not perfect, and some are very, very bad, just the same with all groups of human beings. In fact, some commit malpractice.

Although lawyers are routinely disciplined and disbarred by the bars for incompetence, the medical profession does not as assiduously police its own profession, failing in some cases to discipline doctors who commit malpractice repeatedly.

Insurance companies, Pharmaceutical companies, Republican lobbyists and Right Wing trolls have hyped medical malpractice suits to enrich their monied interests, nearly all of whom support Right Wing causes, and in order to deplete support for Democratic causes.

[belle]

95. Easily. How would they prevent it?

My grandfather died of a massive heart attack, some twelve hours after he'd been admitted to the hospital for chest pains. He was in his room and being closely monitored when it happened. They kept him alive longer than they would have if he'd had the attack anywhere else, no doubt--and frankly, to this day it's not at all clear that that extra week was a good thing--but short of that, it wouldn't have made any difference. Blood clots happen, wherever you are, and their effects happen *fast.*

[tavalon]

183. You have an interesting idea about our power

A person can have a stroke, a heart attack, even die while under our care. We only have so much power to stave off the scythe of death.

[uppityperson]

33. Is he dead yet? (here we go again)

[Renew Deal]

37. He died yesterday.

Stroke happened today.

[Cooley Hurd]

34. Being brought into surgery right now (possible blood on brain)

...AP reporting that Sharon's Dr's calling it a "cerebral hemorrhage."

[SW FL Dem]

35. CNN reporting it is a cerebral hemorrhage

It is looking very serious. He is on a respirator and power has been transferred to his deputy

[quaoar]

39. AP just reported that Sharon

has suffered a cerebral hemorrhage.

[quaoar]

41. More from AP:

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a “significant” stroke Wednesday after being brought to the hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert, a hospital official said.

Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, director general of Hadassah Hospital, said Sharon was put under general anesthetic and was receiving breathing assistance while doctors assessed his condition.

Cabinet Secretary Yisrael Maimon said Sharon’s authorities have been transferred to Vice Premier Ehud Olmert.

[patcox2]

42. Anyone know Israeli politics? What now?

Who would replace him?

[arcos]

51. Elections are March 28, and he was the leading candidate...

Plus, he just recently founded a new centrist political party... probably how will this affect the outcome is anyone's guess.

[KoKo]

81. I hope it's NOT "BiBi" who is a Neocon...........but...who knows?

:shrug:

[6th Borough]

121. Bibi makes Sharon look like a conscientious objector. /NT

[DS1]

44. and?

:shrug:

[Posteritatis]

76. Oh yeah, an Israeli PM at death's door is *so* irrelevant.

:eyes:

[sinkingfeeling]

45. Powers were transferred from Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to his

deputy, after he had a "significant stroke," officials say.

Headline on CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/

[texpatriot2004]

46. Who is the deputy? nm

[Scurrilous]

48. Sharon suffers serious stroke

Prime minister rushed to Jerusalem hospital after feeling unwell; hospital official says Sharon suffered 'significant stroke' and is being ventilated and anesthetized. Olmert designated as temporary Sharon replacement

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3195215,00.html

<snip>

"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a "significant stroke" Wednesday evening and is currently being ventilated and anesthetized, Jerusalem Ein Kerem hospital director announced.

Shortly thereafter, the hospital director added Sharon was suffering from a brain hemorrhage and has been rushed to surgery. Senior medical officials estimated Sharon is in very serious condition."

<snip>

"Cabinet Secretary Yisrael Maimon and Attorney General Menahem Mazuz decided that Finance Minister and Vice Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will stand in for Sharon while he is under anesthetization."

[Wordie]

53. Ehud Olmert...

former mayor of Jerusalem...considered to be right wing. He's the Vice Prime Minister.

Here's what wiki says about his political ideology:

Ideology and Controversy

Ehud Olmert used to be member of the Likud Party's dynasty group (those whose parents played a part in the establishment of the Revisionist Zionism movement of Vladimir Jabotinsky, or who grew up during the early years of the State of Israel under its ideology). Other members of this category (which has no connection to where they stand on the divisions within the Likud today) include former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (son of scholar Ben-Zion Netanyahu), former Knesset Member Benny Begin (son of Prime Minister Menachem Begin; whose views were considerably more extreme than his father's, and caused him to form the splinter New Herut Party), Justice Minister Tzipi Livni (daughter of Irgun operative and Likud predecessor Herut Party Knesset Member Eitan Livni), and Omri Sharon (son of current PM Ariel Sharon). However, Olmert, like several others, has joined PM Ariel Sharon in his new centrist party, Kadima.

Olmert's opponents both inside and outside of the Likud point to a long record of opportunism. In the 1970s he was connected to a libel scandal involving well-known Jerusalem businessmen, organized crime, and retired General Rechavam Ze'evi. This often forgotten affair, well documented in investigative journalist Aryeh Avneri's Ha'tvusa in 1992, was only the first in a number of shady misadventures in Olmert's career. During the run-up to the Ze'evi libel suit, Olmert allegedly requested funds from the Likud Treasury for his defense fund, although his lawyers were from his own law firm, which would effectively constitute bribery.

All accusations against Olmert were eventually settled out of court, a pattern that followed through his involvement in the Herzlia Marina construction investigation, and various others that never led to any definite conclusions, and therefore were dropped. What is today almost beyond debate was that during his terms as mayor Olmert hired numerous Likud activists and cronies to positions in the Jerusalem Municipality. As urban political scandals are often the result of pure hearsay, it is impossible to determine whether Olmert's appointments really damaged the city. However, numerous cases of illegal housing construction both by Arab and Jewish firms continued throughout Olmert's term, and the phenomenon has plagued the city to this day.

Among Likud ministers cronyism has become increasingly common, and today Olmert's own use of the political tool is considered small compared to former Minister of Enviromental Quality Zahi Hanegbi, or Agricultural Minister Yisrael Katz. One of the subjects that has damaged Olmert's standing among a large percentage of Likud supporters, far more than the generally tolerated political appointments, was his change of heart in regard to territorial concessions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Olmert

So, what that means for the future of the peace process, if Sharon is no longer to continue in power, is anyone's guess.

[psriter]

73. but...

Kadima has yet to finalize the order of their list(Israel uses proportional representation, so parties list their candidates and then they go into parliament based on thier vote percentage.). Sharon will be #1 if he is fit to run, but #2 on the list could be Olmert, Tzipi Livni, or a number of other MKs. A rumor is that Shimon Peres would be considered if Sharon is not fit, but this is unlikely.

As for the election, Kadima was recently polled around 35%(very good in Israel's multi-party system) Sharon's death or resignation would give them significantly less, as he is the figure around whom the party was formed, and they have little well-known leaders apart from him.

[Scurrilous]

71. Analysis: As acting PM, Olmert can make all urgent decisions

<snip>

"The Basic Law on the Government states that if the prime minister is temporarily unable to discharge his duties, the deputy prime minister will take his place. According to this constitutional law, the acting prime minister is given all the authorities of the prime minister, in every area and on every subject, so that any necessary decisions can be made.

The acting prime minister is authorized to make all prime ministerial decisions, whether urgent or not.

The law does not determine the conditions under which the prime minister would be unable to fulfill his duties, but the circumstances of last night are among the most likely for this to occur.

The decision was made by the attorney general, but only after consulting with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's physicians. The doctors will also determine when the prime minister will be able to return to his duties.

The Basic Law says that if 100 consecutive days have passed since the acting prime minister has taken on the position of the prime minister, and the prime minister has not returned to his job, the prime minister will be considered permanently unable to discharge his duties."


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[KoKo]

78. But...They shouldn't have waited so long for surgery...He should have had

it immediately if it was a simple as they said.. plant of an "umbrella" into the hole in his heart? :shrug: I'm sure like all World Leaders he has access to Medical Care most of us only dream of.

Why did he wait. You also don't want to do sugery when a patient is on blood thinners. They took Clinton off them a few days before surgery because excessive bleeding is what happens when you are on them. His surgery was scheduled for tomorrow...did they take him off or leave him on too long and therefore he had the brain bleeding?

[tavalon]

185. We can't be sideline quarterbacks here

I'm sure there were many factors at play here to explain why his surgery was scheduled when it was and it isn't even clear yet whether the strokes and the hole in his heart are related, right?

[Wordie]

47. MSNBC reporting that analysts have said his life may be in danger... n/t

[Mithras61]

50. His life is unquestionably in peril...

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_hemorrhage) "...ischemic stroke has a thirty-day mortality rate of 20%, subarachnoid bleeds kill 40% of their victims in the same time, disabling half the survivors ..."

Ischemic & subarachnoid are both types of hemorrhagic strokes (aka cerebral hemorrhage).


edited for spelling...

[FlaGranny]

58. Actually, ischemic stroke

is not the same as hemorrhagic. Ischemic stroke is caused by a blockage in an artery of the brain which diminishes or cuts off entirely the blood supply to part of the brain. In a hemorrhagic stroke, the vessel ruptures, usually from an aneurysm and bleeds into the brain. A hemorrhagic stroke can only be prevented by surgery. An ischemic stroke can usually be prevented by medication and sometimes can be "cured" with a clot-busting medication. This clot-buster would be deadly if used for a hemorrhagic stroke, so a brain CAT scan is always done before treatment is started.

[Mithras61]

62. My mistake. I misread the article. (n/t)

[Wordie]

60. With strokes, quick treatment is the key.

from wiki:
Treatment


Early assessment

It is important to identify a stroke as early as possible because patients who are treated earlier are more likely to survive and have better recoveries.

If a patient is suspected of having a stroke, emergency services should be contacted immediately. The patient should be transported to the nearest hospital that can provide a rapid evaluation and treatment with the latest available therapies targeted to the type of stroke. The faster these therapies are started for hemorrhagic and ischemic stroke, the chances for recovery from each type improves greatly. Quick decisions about medication and the need for surgery have been shown to improve outcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke#Prognosis

It sounds like he got to the hospital very quickly, so that's a good thing.

[lovuian]

55. He should have never came back to work

He was too ill... He was pushing it too much... very sad...

[cal04]

56. Sharon Suffers a Cerebral Hemorrhage

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharonsuffered a cerebral hemorrhage Wednesday and was receiving breathing assistance while under general anesthetic, a hospital official said. Power was transferred to his deputy.

Sharon, 77, suffered a "significant" stroke and was brought to Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert, an official said. Channel 2 TV said Sharon was suffering from paralysis in his lower body and was taken into the hospital on a stretcher.

Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, the hospital's director general, said Sharon was under general anesthetic and was receiving breathing assistance while doctors assessed his condition.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_sharon

[...of J.Temperance]

59. This is very bad news and I sincerely wish Mr. Sharon the best

Although I don't really agree with his politics, I wish him no harm. I hope he recovers.

[No Exit]

65. Ariel! I'm so sorry!

Never once have I wished you ill. Never once.

I must tell, however, that for 3 years my nightly prayer to that "higher power" has been that he/she/it would smite a couple of other leaders.

I don't think it's illegal to pray for the demise of certain leaders. I would never ever take it upon myself to do anything against them.

Anyway, Ariel, I never mentioned YOU when I'd pray for these things! I meant two other guys!

There has been a terrible miscommunication. Mistakes were made. Sorry, dude!

[hang a left]

66. "It looks very bad. I don't know if he will recover," the source said.

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was taken for surgery on Wednesday after suffering a cerebral hemorrhage, the director of Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital said.

"The diagnosis is cerebral hemorrhaging. In light of this, the prime minister has been taken to the surgical ward," Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef told reporters. Sharon was in critical condition and may not recover, a senior political source said.

"It looks very bad. I don't know if he will recover," the source said.

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[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

68. You think it's all to get Netanyahu in? BiB is a FAV of NeoCons..but

your post seems a little :tinfoilhat:

[AntiCoup2K4]

84. Well, Sharon's deputy probably wouldn't do well in the elections.....

....especially with this new offshoot of a party. So, yes Netanyahu would be the obvious beneficiary if Sharon climbs the wall over to the "other side".

Remember that Netanyahu was instrumental in writing the document A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm along with Perle, Feith, and other future PNAC'ers. This Likud document was essentially a rough draft of the PNAC agenda which is now the core of the Bush Fraudministration's foreign policy. And you better believe "BeBe" is anxious to get on with the agenda. Starting with Iran :nuke:

[KoKo]

93. Okay....I could go with a little

:tinfoilhat: then. Why did his doctors leave him on blood thinners so long before surgery...it's always an "optional call" and yet they scheduled his surgery so late...and didn't take him off the meds knowing that most Doc's recommend taking patients off "blood thinners" a few days before surgery because of the "bleeding?"

What I read about Sharon was that this was a "simple procedure where he would have an "umbrella placed down his esophogus where it would fill the hole in his heart.....minor procedure...nothing to worry about ...just move along? :shrug: WHAT Happened?

[AntiCoup2K4]

138. Maybe the hospital in Jerusalem was an HCA affiliate?

Frist's motherfucking shithole hospitals are famous for losing people on operating tables, dead of something entirely different than what they came in for.

[Wordie]

101. You've left Peretz out of your analysis. I don't really know if this turn

of events could benefit Labor or not, but there are more players than Sharon and Netanyahu.

A recent poll suggested that 49% of Israelis would consider a division of Jerusalem, a position considerably to the left of Sharon, not to mention Netanyahu! So perhaps the Israeli public is engaged in a shift to the left, which would mean Peretz might have a better chance.

49% of Israelis back Jerusalem division

Surprising results: Yedioth Ahronoth poll shows half of Israeli public willing to cede parts of Jerusalem in the framework of peace deal with Palestinians; meanwhile, Kadima drops to 38 seats in survey, Labor up to 23, Likud still at 11

Compromise on Jerusalem in the cards? A surprising survey published by Israel’s leading newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth shows almost half of the Israeli public supports a compromise on Jerusalem in the framework of a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

According to the Yedioth Ahronoth and Mina Tzemach poll, released Friday, 49 percent of Israelis back a compromise that would see Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods and Arab areas adjacent to the capital handed over to the Palestinians, with Jewish neighborhoods and the Western Wall remaining in Israeli hands.

Israelis split on Jerusalem’s future
The same figure, 49 percent, said they would object to such an arrangement. The implication of the results is that even before talks on Jerusalem’s status have been launched, half of the Israeli public is already willing to accept a compromise in exchange for a peace deal.

First Published: 12.16.05, 09:10
Latest Update: 12.16.05, 10:37

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3185313,00.html

[6th Borough]

126. Labor could benefit from this as well.

The ranks of the revered old guard in Israel is constantly shrinking.

Sure, you have a few younger guys (Ehud Barak was the highest decorated soldier in Israel), but a relatively scant few.

Perhaps now is the opportunity for an infusion of some new blood and new ideas.

[mitchum]

79. That was also my first thought

[belle]

97. Jesus, you people. Strokes do happen, you know?

[Posteritatis]

124. But I thought the BFEECIAKGBNSAIDFWTFBBQ was behind all ailments!

:P

[tavalon]

186. You didn't know we doctors and nurses are Gods

and that no one ever dies while under our care? ;)

There's a little too much armchair quarterbacking going on here tonight.

[gulfcoastliberal]

106. Yeah right.

What is your proof for such a crazy statement?

[Zynx]

125. Never mind that he is close to 78 and has terrible health.

I suppose you think FDR's stroke in 1945 was an FBI hit or something?

[sabra]

70. Sharon's haemorrhage "massive" - hospital chief

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04239916.htm

Sharon's haemorrhage "massive" - hospital chief
04 Jan 2006 22:53:19 GMT

Source: Reuters

JERUSALEM, Jan 4 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who was hospitalised and undergoing surgery on Wednesday, suffered a "massive" brain haemorrhage, the hospital chief said.

"There is massive internal bleeding in the brain. He has been in the operation room for an hour," Dr. Shmuel Shapira told Israel's Channel Ten television.

[tavalon]

187. Massive is not good

If this is his doctor who just said this, then this discussion needs to be around who his successor will be because he will likely die soon. I'm sorry for him and his family. This is always hard. I'm very nervous about what this means for the stability of the Middle East.

[MnFats]

72. Sharon collapses, may not survive

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/04/usharon.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/01/04/ixportaltop.html


Israel's prime minister Ariel Sharon has been rushed to hospital after suffering a major brain haemorrhage from which he may not recover.
 
Mr Sharon's authority has been transferred to his deputy, Ehud Olmert.
The prime minister was taken to the hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert. Local media reported that his lower body had been paralysed.
The incident is the second serious health scare to befall Mr Sharon in less than a month. On Dec 18 he suffered a mild stroke and was hospitalised for three days.
December's episode came at a precarious moment in Mr Sharon's career. Frustrated by attacks from the right wing of his own Likud party, the prime minister had quit to form a new centrist movement, named Kadima.
After his collapse it was feared that the new party, which was tipped for victory in Israel's elections this month, would die with its

[erpowers]

74. Sharon in Poor Heath

Sharon has been placed in the hosptial and his powers have been handed to his deputy. He has BBC World News stated "massive internal bleeding" and was "under anestheitd and on respirator". At this time it seems he is under going surgery.

[fbahrami]

75. I hope for the best outcome.

[IndianaGreen]

77. For those of you that hate Sharon...

the alternative is far, far worse!

[bemildred]

80. Well, it's going to be interresting, that's for sure. nt

[sabra]

82. that's the scarest part...

[sweetheart]

119. Time enough

He squandered his time, and when you're that fat, even a good doctor
can't do much. Its amazing he's lived as long as he has. Clearly, he already
is getting doctors to keep him on cheney juice, that vampire syrum that keeps
people without hearts alive.

I'm sorta bummed, as in suffering through a sharon that i hold largely responsible
for forcing an infitada situation by his temple mount stunt... wasting years of
peacemaking time trying to kill arafat... wasting more years building settlements
and doing terrorism against people in prison camps.... wasting more time... and
finally, he in his last years realized it was for naught if a lasting peace
and goodwill was not finally secured... and it hasen't been.

He only had time enough... but he's a glutton, took too much time, too many
lives and too much food, and now too much blood in his brain.

After putting up with that asshole since his lebannon invasion, he was with kadima
looking like he finally might achieve something with his life... and like the last
guy that some asshole settler shot who was just about to make peace... karma just
seems to avoid helping people who are not impeccable and expedient at peacemaking.

Better luck to the next guy, and pray netanyahu has seen his last year in politics.

[KoKo]

83. Lay it out for us and for the "newbies" who don't know who could be worse!

I think it's Netanyahu who could be worse...but I'm not Jewish...

[IndianaGreen]

85. Bibi Netanyahu will take Gaza back by force!

Those that remain in Likud, and that elected Bibi as their leader, are the same ones that called for Sharon's death and called him a Hitler for withdrawing from Gaza.

[KoKo]

87. Sorry for posting BeBe instead of BiBi...can you give some "context"

to what you are saying? As a non-Jew it would be helpful to see how YOU as a DU'er come down on one side or the other...or if you are "non-commital?"

[IndianaGreen]

102. There are no "clean" choices in the Middle East

Not a single Middle Eastern leader is innocent of human rights violation. Whether we speak of Mubarak of Egypt, who has turned torture into an art form, or even King Abdullah of Jordan, all of them are despots and human rights abusers.

The question is who can actually make peace and make it stick? Bibi will never deal with Palestinians. Peretz will not become PM. Sharon was the only one left. Call him what you want, but Sharon is the only one that could have made a sort of peace and make it stick.

[Wordie]

105. If the choice were between Netanyahu and Peretz, you don't think they

would go with Peretz, Indiana? Why do you rule Peretz out? (See also my posts #101 and #104.) I'm curious why you say Peretz will never become PM.

[IndianaGreen]

110. Israelis are very concerned about security

Even those that did not like Sharon, they saw him as a strong leader that would never compromise Israel's security for the sake of any peace deal. Sharon's opponents on the right hated him for precisely the same reason, they feared that Sharon could make a deal and make it stick forever damning their dreams of a Greater Israel.

Just look at US politics in the aftermath of 9/11! People want someone that they feel will protect them. The GOP succeeded in portraying Kerry as weak on defense, even though the facts were otherwise, and many people voted for Commander-in-Chief Bush because they wanted a Fuehrer that would make them feel safe.

Peretz is not seen as such a leader.

[Wordie]

188. As far as the Bush comparison, many people in this country are wising up

as far as we can see from the polls. Many now don't trust Bush, because of the disaster of his policies, and all the scandals. The electorate can change.

Perhaps the Israelis are changing a bit, too, as the results of the poll I cited upthread a while ago seemed to imply (49% of Israelis would accept the division of Jerusalem - and remember, that is something Sharon himself was unwilling to do). So I'm hoping that Labor will have a better chance than you think. The popularity of Kadima reflected for many Israelis the idea of compromise and withdrawal from the occupied territories, in order to achieve peace. Sharon started the withdrawal from Gaza. The Israeli people know that Netanyahu will never withdraw from any of occupied the territories, so they may not be willing to put him into office.

Or who knows, maybe Olmert, or maybe some other candidate will suddenly emerge. It just seems to me from what I've been reading that the majority of public sentiment in Israel has shifted very definitely away from Netanyahu. (And that's a very good thing, imho.)

[tatertop]

120. I fear Bush and Bibi will do horrible things

Nothing good can come of that.

[NEOBuckeye]

99. I agree.

I never had much to say about the man, for better or for worse. A friend of the likes of Wolfowitz and Perle is no friend of anyone seeking to bring about a better world.

But if Sharon is on his way out, his apparent successor seems to be even more in line with the NeoCon plot for global domination. And that just plain sucks for everyone.

[Wordie]

104. I presume you are speaking of Netanyahu, but Likud is 3rd in the polls:

This is from a survey taken on December 16 by Yedioth Ahronoth (Israel's leading newspaper) and Mina Tzemach...

Knesset seats, if the election were held today:
Kadima: 38 (down from 41 seats in an earlier survey)
Labor: 23 (a gain of two)
Likud: 11 (unchanged)
Shas: 10

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3185313,00.html

It looks like if Sharon is unable to recover, and Kadima disintegrates, it will be a question of which way its members will go, back to Likud, or to Labor, or some other party. I am hoping that since they left Likud in the first place, they would not return there. It would seem to me that even without a complete disintegration, there is likely to be some migration to other parties by some Kadima members, if Sharon is out of the picture.

Edit: Or, is there something in Israeli law that would prevent a re-alignment at this point in the campaign? Some deadline that would prevent the sort of re-alignment I hypothesized about.

[IndianaGreen]

107. Kadima was built around Sharon's personality

Love him or hate him, Sharon has been a major figure in Israel since he outflanked the Egyptian armies and raced towards Cairo during the Yom Kippur war.

Last update - 03:02 05/01/2006

Analysis: A tragic end to Ariel Sharon's one-man show

By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent

The hospitalization of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, this time because of a cerebral hemorrhage, will make it difficult for him to return to his job even if he gets through the medical treatment and gets better.

Moreover, even if he does recover, he will have a very hard time convincing the public of his ability to serve four more years, after undergoing two strokes in two and a half weeks.

One can cautiously say that it appears that the era in which Sharon stood at Israel's helm came to a tragic end on Wednesday.

Over the past two weeks, the Israeli public has monitored with curiosity and concern Sharon's struggle with his health, and possibly for his life, as well as his attempts to return to work and show that he is returning to a normal level of activity. His daily agenda was lightened, and as per his doctors' suggestion, he cut out public appearances and meetings outside his office.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/666405.html

[Tom Joad]

182. Minor parties can put bibi on top. some of the parties that joined

likud in the very recent past support policies of forced transfer of the "arab" (that is, the indigenous Palestinian) population. Those policies have not been carried out in full, but who knows what comes next.

Labor has never been good. Under Barak, (under the Oslo Agreements) they expanded the settlements faster than Sharon expanded his waistline. However, I think most Palestinians would not want to be dealing with Bibi. A nightmare is likely. Palestinians have been experiencing that for over 50 years.

[daleo]

86. I remember his doctor downplaying the first stroke

I had my doubts about that statement then.

[onenote]

148. And were your doubts based on your examination, Dr. Frist?

Geez, 20-20 hindsight sure is useful.

onenote

[daleo]

189. I did post words to this effect at the time (do a search if you like)

Anyone who had ever known stroke victims could have said the same.

[rsmith6621]

88. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon Suffers Massive Stroke.....

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Israel

AP - 13 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke Wednesday and was on a respirator after falling ill at his ranch. Doctors operated to drain excess blood from his brain. Powers were transferred to his deputy, Vice Premier Ehud Olmert. Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, director of Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem, said Sharon suffered "a significant stroke," adding that he was "under anesthetic and receiving breathing assistance."

[Kahuna]

89. Bummer.. I was really sorry to hear that.

:(

[CatholicEdHead]

90. This will make things interesting over there

[seriousstan]

91. Here comes the compassion of the DU.

and then off to the i/p dungeon.

[HillDem]

92. "massive organ failure"- NBC

Just heard on NBC nightly news.

[KoKo]

94. For those who don't watch Cable...has he "passed on?" n/t

[HillDem]

98. This is broadcast news

They didn't say if he had passed, but doctors were "praying for a miracle".

I'd say it looks grim.

[belle]

96. That sounds like he's not coming back.

The interesting times just keep on coming right into the New Year, I see.

[IndianaGreen]

103. Hospital sources: Bleeding in PM`s brain is extensive, but not in,,,

brain stem.

On Ha'aretz crawler.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/

[Wordie]

109. PM Sharon clings to life (Ynetnews)

PM Sharon clings to life

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in critical condition after suffering massive cerebral hemorrhage; doctors fighting for his life; Sharon's aide: We are praying and trying to be optimistic but it doesn't look good. PM rushed to Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital Wednesday evening after feeling unwell

Ronny Sofer

Praying for a miracle: The eyes of the nation and of many in the world are on Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem's hospital tonight (early Thursday) as a team of four doctors is fighting for the life of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Sharon is suffering from a massive brain hemorrhage and is undergoing major surgery, Hadassah Ein Kerem Deputy Director Shmuel Shapira announced Wednesday night.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3195215,00.html

[CornField]

108. NPR reported that blood thinners given to him following first stroke

may have played a role in this one being more severe. Said he was scheduled for some sort of treatment tomorrow at the hospital to repair a small hole in his heart between the chambers.

[bemildred]

111. Major events in the life of Ariel Sharon

Looks like we're doing obits now.

- 1928: Born to Russian immigrants in the farming community of Kfar Malal north of Tel Aviv on Feb. 26.

- 1948: After fighting in a Jewish militia opposed to British control, serves with distinction in Israel's war of independence with Arab states. Sharon was severely wounded in a battle to break the siege of Jerusalem and carried the effects all his life, including near blindness in one eye.

- 1953: Heads Unit 101, a force carrying out reprisals for slaying of Israeli woman and her two children. In October, Sharon's troops blow up more than 40 houses in Qibya, a village in the West Bank, then ruled by Jordan. Sixty-nine Arabs die, about half of them women and children. Sharon says later he thought houses were empty.

- 1956: Rebuked after engaging his troops in what his commanders regard as unnecessary and unplanned battle with Egyptian forces at Mitla Pass in Sinai Peninsula.

Seattle PI

[fbahrami]

112. May he get what he deserves.

[manic expression]

113. Does it mention Sabra and Shatilla?

I also agree with the above poster.

[tatertop]

117. Only vaguely. They leave out all the facts and horrible details.

[Nimrod2005]

114. Massacres in Lebanon?

:shrug:

[hang a left]

115. Is someone getting inside information that he has passed???

[bemildred]

116. You can infer his prognosis. nt

[fshrink]

180. Forgot one:

Single-handedly and purposefully killed the near-agreement on the Palestinian problem of Camp David (Clinton's). This man was responsible, directly or indirectly, for the death of thousands of human beings. I will not celebrate his death, since he is a human being too, but there is some satisfaction in the fact that he will finally follow his victims. If he pulls out of it, with part of his brain missing, he'll be able to converse with the Idiot.

[IndianaGreen]

122. Sharon having organ failure

according to Martin Fletcher on the Keith Olbermann Show, just reported from Tel Aviv.

[hang a left]

123. Olmert to chair emergency Israel cabinet meet

05/01/2006 01:37 JERUSALEM (AFP)
Olmert to chair emergency Israel cabinet meet

Finance Minister Ehud Olmert will chair an emergency meeting of the Israeli cabinet on Thursday after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke.

The meeting will begin at 9:00 am (0700 GMT) in Jerusalem.

Olmert was named as acting prime minister after Sharon's admittance to hospital on Wednesday night following his second stroke in two weeks.

The cabinet will also include the four members of Sharon's old Likud party who had been due to submit their resignations at Sunday's weekly cabinet but officials said that they would be holding off from quitting for the timebeing.

end

http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=060105013702.caajtwrn.php

[IndianaGreen]

127. 04:30 Hadassah hospital: PM`s surgery has lasted five and a half hours

so far (Channel 1)

Ha'aretz crawler:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/

[Scurrilous]

128. Hadassah hospital: PM`s surgery has lasted five and a half hours so far .

From haaretz, no link.

[IndianaGreen]

129. 05:19 Surgeons complete draining blood from PM`s brain (Channel 1)

Ha'aretz crawler

05:19 Surgeons complete draining blood from PM`s brain, still cauterizing bleeding vessels (Ch. 1)

[IndianaGreen]

130. 05:31 Sharon`s physician leaves hospital, refuses to comment on PM`s

05:31 Sharon`s physician leaves hospital, refuses to comment on PM`s condition (Haaretz)

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/

[sabra]

131. this is looking pretty grim...

peace.

[IndianaGreen]

133. I am sitting here just wondering how bad things will get with Sharon gone!

People forget that when Sharon left Likud to form his own party, it was the equivalent of having Teddy Kennedy and the rest of the Kennedy clan leave the Democratic Party for a new progressive party.

[sabra]

134. I hope the foundation for the Kadima movement is established enough

that it can move forward, even with out Sharon...

[IndianaGreen]

132. 05:44 PM aide: Situation very sensitive, hospital will issue update later

05:44 PM aide: Situation very sensitive, hospital will issue update later (Haaretz)

[hang a left]

135. I guess this means he is gone it seems. eom

[sabra]

136. Sharon aides leave hospital, decline comment

I think you are right :-(

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0565137.htm

Sharon aides leave hospital, decline comment


JERUSALEM, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Top aides to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon left the Jerusalem hospital where he underwent surgery for a brain haemorrhage on Thursday, and declined to speak to reporters.

A Reuters correspondent at the scene described the aides as being "grim-faced".

Asked about Sharon's condition, his communication director, Asaf Shariv, said: "The doctors will make the announcement. They're the ones authorised to do so."

[IndianaGreen]

NBC Martin Fletcher: Sharon may not survive the night!

Live on Anderson Cooper on MSNBC.

Correction: It was on the MSNBC Tucker Carlsson, the moron with the bow tie. Still, it was a live report by Martin Fletcher from Tel Aviv.

Very grim!

[Scurrilous]

140. Stroke, Hemorrhagic:

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic557.htm

"The 30-day mortality rate for hemorrhagic stroke is 40-80%. Approximately 50% of all deaths occur within the first 48 hours."

[IndianaGreen]

142. There just hasn't been even a ray of hope

thanks!

[sabra]

137. Sharon still alive - Israel Radio reporter

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0579842.htm

05 Jan 2006 04:06:39 GMT
Source: Reuters
JERUSALEM, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is still alive following surgery for a brain haemorrhage on Thursday, an Israel Radio reporter said quoting a hospital spokeswoman

[IndianaGreen]

139. 06:10 Report on Sharon`s condition to be broadcast at 6:45 A.M. Israel tim

06:10 Report on Sharon`s condition to be broadcast at 6:45 A.M. Israel time (Haaretz)

It doesn't look good!

06:14 Settler leader: All Israelis, including Gaza evacuees, hope for PM`s recovery (Israel Radio)

We will know in about 20 minutes!

[hang a left]

141. What time is it in Israel now? Do you know? eom

[IndianaGreen]

143. Israel Time: 06:28 (EST+7)

according to Ha'aretz

[Scurrilous]

145. I think they're seven hours ahead...

...should be around 6:30 AM.

[Wordie]

147. I think it's 6:30 AM.

[hang a left]

144. thanks for the edit. eom

[IndianaGreen]

146. CNN said at 11:45 PM ET, they expect statement

just now on Anderson Cooper.

[IndianaGreen]

149. 06:44 Sharon returned to surgery after undergoing CT scan (Channel 1)

breaking!

06:44 Sharon returned to surgery after undergoing CT scan (Channel 1)

06:54 Doctor: We expect surgery to continue for a few more hours (Channel 1)

[sabra]

150. they didn't take any questions....

[IndianaGreen]

151. and they haven't stopped the bleeding either

Even if Sharon were to survive the day, somehow, the post-Sharon era is now upon us.

[still_one]

153. You are correct, there will be a new government

[still_one]

152. Sharon taken back into surgery a second time after CT scan

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/666364.html

[lovuian]

155. Not good ... No matter what happens Sharon

is definitely going to be unable to work ...

[mom cat]

179. Israeli PM Ariel Sharon Suffers Massive Stroke

Israeli PM Ariel Sharon Suffers Massive Stroke
Thursday, January 05, 2006

PHOTOS VIDEO


Click image to enlarge
STORIES BACKGROUND LINKS
•Palestinian Leader: This Is God's Gift•Sharon's Stroke Causes Mideast Turmoil•U.S.: Sharon 'in Our Prayers'•Palestinians Bulldoze Into Egypt•Profile: Ehud Olmert•Timeline: Ariel Sharon•Bio: Ariel Sharon•Fast Facts: Possible Successors
JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive, life-threatening stroke Wednesday and underwent lengthy surgery to drain blood from his brain after falling ill at his ranch. Powers were transferred to his deputy, Ehud Olmert.

Israeli TV stations reported that Sharon was alive after the first stage of the operation that lasted more than six hours. At daybreak, Army Radio reported that Sharon was undergoing a CT scan to determine if the bleeding in his brain had been stopped.

He was transferred back to the operating room to complete the operation, Shlomo Mor-Yosef, director of Jerusalem's Hadassah hospital, said in an early-morning press conference. The second stage was expected to last several more hours, an estimate that includes time to allow Sharon to respond to medications to stop the bleeding on the brain.

An ambulance brought Sharon to the Jerusalem hospital only hours before the hard-charging, overweight, 77-year-old Israeli leader had been scheduled to undergo a procedure to seal a hole in his heart that contributed to a mild stroke on Dec. 18.

Israel Radio quoted an unidentified Israeli health official as saying that Sharon's prospects of a full recovery were slim.

Sharon's cerebral hemorrhage, or bleeding stroke, came at a time of upheaval among Palestinian factions in Gaza and in the midst of both Israeli and Palestinian election campaigns. Sharon's absence would slow momentum toward peacemaking with the Palestinians and leave a major vacuum at the head of his new Kadima party, which was expected to head a government after the March 28 vote.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180604,00.html

[NuttyFluffers]

156. i hope he survives...

[liberalpragmatist]

157. NYT: Difficulties in Treating Sharon's Kind of Stroke

http://nytimes.com/2006/01/05/international/05medical.html

Assessment: Difficulties In Treating This Type of Stroke

By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: January 5, 2006

The huge stroke suffered last night by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel, caused by uncontrolled bleeding into the brain, is likely to be devastating and nearly impossible to treat because Mr. Sharon, 77, is taking blood thinners, neurologists say.

Although Mr. Sharon was taken to surgery to try to remove the blood pouring into his skull, it was a desperate move, neurologists said.

Hemorrhages in the brain while the patient is taking blood thinners "are usually devastating events," said Dr. Matthew E. Fink, chief of the Division of Stroke and Critical Care at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center. "This sounds really terrible."

Statistically, the likelihood of death is greater than 80 percent, Dr. Fink said.

<snip>

Mr. Sharon was placed on blood-thinning medicines in the last two weeks to treat a different type of stroke - one that was much smaller - which he suffered on Dec. 18. In many respects his stroke yesterday was a medical complication of his earlier treatment.

(cont...)

[liberalhistorian]

158. Wasn't he just in the hospital for a minor

stroke a few weeks ago? I'm not a doctor or medical person, so if I'm wrong I hope someone will correct me, but couldn't they have seen signs of the impending massive stroke when he was in the hospital for the minor stroke?

[napi21]

160. When he was in the hospital 3 weeks ago, they found a small

hole in his heart. They were scheduled to repair that tomorrow. I don't think they can ever predict future strokes, except to tell the patient to loose weight and stay on a diet. They told Sharon to do both!

[uppityperson]

164. Not necessarily. They are from 2 different things.

The first one was a blod clot in his brain that plugged up an artery and stopped blood flow to part of his brain. This part of his brain was injured, parts of it died.

They think the blood clot formed in his heart, since he had a not-uncommon small hole between the sides of his heart. Aside from the fact that it proved he had a heart, this is not an uncommon birth defect. Most of us, the hole closes before or shortly after birth. This is the hole they were hoping to repair this week.

Part of treatment for blood clots is to take medicine to make your blood clot less easily. It is also not uncommon for people to spring leaks in their brains, especially if they are on blood thinners. Cerebral aneuryisms are a standard cause of death. This does not mean that the blood thinner caused the brain leaking blood into itself, but worsened it.

When you cut your finger, you put pressure on it and eventually it stops bleeding. Unfortunately, putting pressure on the brain (either direct pressure, or the leaking blood causing enough back pressure like when you whonk your thumb and it gets purple underneath), increased pressure in the brain causes more brain/nerve damage/death. So now you have no blood getting where it should go (or less blood) leading to nerve death, and increased pressure leading to nerve death.

This is frequently fatal.

[napi21]

159. I heard Sanjay Gupta on CNN say about the same thing.

Sanjay was very cautious about how he stated things, but he said as a neurosurgeon, if he were presented this case, he would be extremely concerned because of the blood thinners. I'm not a Dr. but I have a feeling we are going to hear of Sheron's death sometime tomorrow.

I don't know enough about the Israel situation to say what this means. Because Shrub is a friend of Sharon's, I think Sharon is bad for Israel, but I know that's because of my feelings about Shrub!

[NoodleyAppendage]

161. Occusive vs. Hemorrhagic Strokes

It's likely that Sharon's earlier stroke was occusive secondary to the release of large diameter lipid emboli during his heart repair. Given his weight and general poor health, the presence of atherosclerosis is probably pretty high. I think the MDs were probably more worried about future embolic or ischemic events due to stenoses. Unfortunately, this assumption means that treatment can be counterproductive in cases were the cerebrovascular is weak, prone to amyloid angiopathy, or hiding a latent aneurysms.

I'm just wondering where the bleed is located.

JB

[lovuian]

162. Uncontrolled bleeding is bad news...

He shouldn't have returned and retired... Its like Cheney with his heart problems ... he has no business being Vice President because of his health...

[kestrel91316]

163. My mom had a hemorrhagic brainstem stroke almost 2 years ago......

she had untreated high blood pressure (probably for 20 years) due to her mental problems and doctor-phobia, so her blood vessels are like Belleek china. She came away from the stroke with mild dementia superimposed on her mental problems, and they said she would be dead soon. Right.

Then a little over a year ago, in spite of finally being on blood pressure meds, she developed aortic dissection (or something similar, not exactly that) and they said she would be dead soon. Right. She has been on antipsychotic meds for a year also, and it is now possible after 20 years to have something resembling a relationship with her.

She may be having mini-strokes, as her speech has deteriorated in the past year, but heck, she has WAY more than beat the odds on this thing. Her health is extremely precarious, but day-to-day she is fine.

Sharon will not be so lucky. Sounds like he is toast. They put him on a blood thinner to avoid any more of the clots from his heart hole that led to the first stroke, and then he goes and bleeds........bad scene.

[TomClash]

165. George Bush: We are praying for Sharon's recovery

United States President George W. Bush was among the public figures from Israel and abroad who responded Wednesday night to the dramatic news that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had been rushed into surgery at a Jerusalem hospital after suffering a "significant stroke" and a cerebral hemorrhage.

"Laura and I share the concerns of the Israeli people about Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's health, and we are praying for his recovery," Bush said in a written statement.

"Prime Minister Sharon is a man of courage and peace. On behalf of all Americans, we send our best wishes and hopes to the prime minister and his family," Bush added.

U.S. National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones, said earlier Wednesday on behalf of the White House that "our thoughts and prayers are with the prime minister and his family."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/666375.html

[TomClash]

166. This is the kiss of death nt

[Charlie Brown]

167. I join Mr. Bush in wishing Sharon a speedy recovery

I may not agree with him on anything, but it is decent of him to extend best wishes to Sharon.

[NEOBuckeye]

172. Don't give Bush any credit for anything.

When his actions mean death to millions, his well wishes for one man mean nothing.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

174. mister bush?? the death bring from hell to hundreds of thousands? mister?

Only an actual human is worthy of the title of mister.
_Bush is _SUBhuman

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

168. Shades of Terri Schiavo. The barely alive merit more consideration

than the barely getting by. MKJ

edited to add. not to denigrate what's happening with Prime Minister Sharon. It just brings to mind gwb's sort of odd attraction to those who are alive by medical technology only.

I'd love to hear him speak to the families of soldiers who've died or families who have lost homes in NOLA, MS, TX, CA or OK.

[Christa]

170. Agree

he should get of his damn knees (not that I believe for ONE second he really prays, the stumbling, bumbling idiot) and get a grip on reality :grr:

[belle]

181. Oh, it's just standard. *Not* to say anything would be churlish even for

Shrub.

[InaneAnanity]

169. I pray

That Bush gets hemmorroids, the bastard.

[crizzo5137]

171. When does Der Bu$h have time to sleep?

I mean, he spends his time on his widdle knees praying for the soldiers, the katrina victims, the miners, sharon, etc etc etc...

[stepnw1f]

173. Bush Prays?!?!?!

Now I have heard it... all...

[C_U_L8R]

175. Enough with all the praying !!!

Sweet Jeeezuz !!! Will all these fools
stop their pompous pretentious sanctimonious
public prayer and invocation of GAWD !!!
I'm getting ill from all the bloviation.
Prayer is not performance art to be
conducted on television >> and doing so
does not make anyone look like a better person...
especially to god. ENOUGH !!!!

[fshrink]

193. Personally, I prefer to write to Santa Klaus.

[NYC Liberal]

176. As Jon Stewart says...with all this praying, how does he have any time

to get work done?

How about he focuses his time and energy on the lives he CAN affect and CAN save (re: soldiers in Iraq)? The victims of Katrina and the ensuing lack of response (well too late now I suppose)? The millions that go hungry here in the U.S.

Bush is just so full of bullshit and empty words. That's all he has...words. And no action.

[EST]

177. Goodbye, Ariel!

[fshrink]

192. LOL. A "man of peace"! And the Idiot is a genius.

[Tom Joad]

178. I pray for Palestinians who face home demolitions,

children who have been injured by Sharon's military. I pray for Israelis who face prison for refusing military service in the occupied territories. My thoughts are with them all.

[sabra]

194. 16:15 Kadima`s Ramon: Peres should be named PM under existing conditions

16:15 Kadima`s Ramon: Peres should be named PM under existing conditions (Ch. 10)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/ShTickers.html

[sabra]

197. Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he wishes for Sharon`s death

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/ShTickers.html