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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:10 PM
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Secretive military unit sought to solve political WMD concerns....

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Secretive_military_unit_sought_to_solve_0105.html

Secretive military unit sought to solve political WMD concerns prior to securing Iraq, intelligence sources say

New allegations indicate that American civilian military leadership may have used an off-book quasi-military team to address political issues, placing those concerns above securing peace in the region, RAW STORY has learned.

Three U.S. intelligence sources and a source close to the United Nations Security Council say that the Pentagon civilian leadership under the guidance of Stephen Cambone, appointed to lead Defense Department intelligence in March 2003, dispatched a series of “off book” missions out of the ultra-secretive Office of Special Plans (OSP). The team was tasked to secure the following in order of priority: fallen Navy pilot Scott Speicher, WMD and Saddam Hussein.

While it is known that an authorized special operations unit was dispatched before the invasion of Iraq with similar objectives, sources say another team also operated on the ground in Iraq, primarily from the summer until the fall of 2003. This team appears to have been composed of 4-5 men.

lots more @ link
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:18 PM
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1. Apparently it looks as though they failed to either find or plant WMD.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:56 PM
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10. they DID try
and got caught, at least twice.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:09 PM
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19. can you help me out with a link for those attempts?
thanks
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:22 PM
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32. Is this Task Force 121 ?
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 04:23 PM by EVDebs
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/task-force-121/

""TF121 is the brainchild of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. After September 11, Rumsfeld jumped on the opportunity to elevate the status of the Pentagon by setting up an alternative Justice Department -- one with lots of prisons, but not so many pesky constitutional rights.
Military-run prisons like Camp X-Ray and Abu Ghraib represent the penal side of Rumsfeld's grand vision. Task Force 121 is the investigative arm, the FBI of the Defense Department...

Most of the credible reporting on TF121 comes from just a very few sources -- mainly the New York Times, and the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, who also helped break the story of prisoner torture at the Iraqi prison of Abu Ghraib. The latter connection is not coincidental. Part of Task Force 121's mission is to "take the gloves off" in dealing with the Pentagon's enemies...

Task Force 121 was a direct outgrowth of Rummy's ruminations. The force was developed in consultation with Israel. "

This may be taken to mean DOMESTIC 'enemies' as perceived by the Pentagon ? Hence, illegal spying on US civilians, the Pentagon's employers.


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:25 PM
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2. "off the books" missions sounds SO familiar
Like the 'Off the books, self financed" operations during Iran/Contra.

I wonder if they are/were selling drugs to finance this one, too?

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:28 PM
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3. K&R
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:40 PM
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4. i always wondered why they didn't just plant the wmd...
now i know they tried, just failed. losers. can't even plant false WMD's to justify their bullshit war without screwing that one up. god i hate these people.:grr: and can i say, with all these leaks, somebody else REALLY hates these people too.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:42 PM
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5. Everything has cracks...
Thats how the light gets in.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:44 PM
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6. apparently someone forgot to tell that to shrubco.....
or maybe they just missed the memo
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:48 PM
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7. They just think they are above the laws of psychology...
just as they are above the laws of the Nation.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:50 PM
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8. It would have been a real crime had they been successful.
Thanks so much for this article. It adds real depth and weight to what we heard about already.

I hope this info. gets the publicity it richly deserves.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:36 PM
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23. I'm starting to get confused on what's a 'real crime' in this world
anymore.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:52 PM
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9. someone called "nosharks" posted this on RS concerning this article
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 01:53 PM by sweetm2475
"The source said intelligence officers understood quickly what they were being asked to do and that the assumption was they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them."

Feith, Hadley, Cambone are 3 of the top neocon operatives responsible for the "bad intel" that lead us to war. It sounds like some of intel officers of TF20 with a conscience refused to go along with planting WMD evidence. Also I've got a suspicion that the outing of Valerie Plame is related to this. If her group which was looking for WMDs refused to go along with TF20 or discovered the plot to plant evidence and put a stop to it then there's the real reason they outed her.
nosharks | 01.05.06 - 1:52 pm

Could be "tinfoil hattery" or nosharks could be onto something here. hmmmmmm:tinfoilhat: :shrug:
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:05 PM
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11. K&R...This is homepage material...IMO
:kick:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:16 PM
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12. "solve political WMD concerns" ????? AKA "plant" WMDs. And why
is this not an impeachable offense if Bush ordered it?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:41 PM
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15. That sounds like something Feith or Cambone might do
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:12 PM by formercia
Fearless Leader isn't clever enough to come up with that goat fu*k.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:50 PM
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17. did you read what i posted at #9?
what do you think of what nosharks said?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:59 PM
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18. I agree with your posting
I've worked with those special ops guys and they're pretty sharp. They would have followed orders but I don't think an operator would be stupid enough to suggest it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:20 PM
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13. The elephant soars über alles
That is, everything about the Bush administration is in service to political considerations. If it was advantageous somehow for the sun to come up in the west instead of the east, they'd write legislation to re-orient the compass.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:25 PM
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14. Nominated - will read this at lunch - thanx for the link! n/t
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:44 PM
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16. Psssst..... people over here.....
I remember a few months ago that one of the posters here at DU had a long and well thought out thread on this exact thing. I can not do a advanced search right now due to high traffic here at DU. I will tried to find the thread later and show y'all, oh yeah it was either Peace Patriot that posted or Proud Patriot, also I remember this because I started a link/thread in GD(that was a copy of his thread and yes I let people know where it came from) that ended up getting like 65 recommendations for greatest page.

The whole discussion on this was freaking HUGH -

There was A lot lot lot lot on this.

Please let me know what you all think?
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:18 PM
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20. damn. just tried to search and still no luck....
i really would love to read one of those threads. i'm hangin' here......i'll keep checking back, though.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:26 PM
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21. me to, because this whole idea was really well thought out and discussed
on this threads. I have been checking about every five minutes. Might have to sneek in after hours...
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:47 PM
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28. see Peace Patriot's post # 24 - he/she is the one I was referring to
they have it all laid out in their response.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:34 PM
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22. It turns out all their worries were of no consequence. They didnt
even need to try to plant WMD. Just make up a different rationale for war. :crazy:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:38 PM
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24. These may be the teams whose plans to plant WMDs in Iraq were foiled.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:51 PM by Peace Patriot
There were several reports in the Islamic press in March 2003 of foiled US attempts to plant WMDs in Iraq, one in Basra involving a covert WMD shipment that had false Red Cross labels on it, and another at an unidentified location that met with "friendly fire." There may have been other efforts later on. If true, these are the ones that got noticed.

The WMD-planting theory of Treasongate is that there is a connection between these highly deceitful and dangerous, off-the-record Rumsfeld projects, and the outing of Valerie Plame and the entire CIA Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network--which disabled all the above-board WMD-monitoring projects and put all of its covert agents/contacts at great risk of getting killed. The theory also posits a possible connection to the death of the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly, in the same week. Here's the time-line:

Late May 2003: Kelly starts whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about exaggerated pre-war WMD intel.

Mid-June 2003: Judith Miller meets with Scooter Libby (about Plame).

Late June 2003: Kelly is mysteriously outed to his bosses, interrogated at a safe house, and threatened with the Official Secrets Act in an effort to find out what ELSE he knows.

July 7, 2003*: Tony Blair is informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--not had said, COULD say. (Hutton report.)

July 14, 2003: Plame outed (by Novak).

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.

July 22, 2003: CIA/Brewster-Jennings entire counter-proliferation group outed (also by Novak).

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IF the "uncomfortable things" that Kelly "could say" had to do with a Bushite plot to plant WMDs in Iraq, one thing he might have known was who foiled that plot.

The WMD-planting theory of Treasongate goes back to the creation of the "crude" Niger forgeries, which were so "crude" that they may have been INTENDED to be exposed as forgeries, in order to draw the CIA into a public position of no nukes in Iraq--and then, Part 2 of the plot, would have been the phony "find" of the planted nukes in order to discredit the honest part of the CIA and make it more purge-able by Bushites, as well as reaping enormous political benefit for Bush/Blair and the cause of slaughtering innocent Muslims to get their oil.

Another part of the theory: Rumsfeld positioned Judith Miller to enact the "find" of the nukes in Iraq, giving her a special "embed" contract signed by himself to accompany the US troops who were "hunting" for the WMDs. (She seemed to have extraordinary authority in that effort--for a reporter.)

Kelly was an old hand at Iraq, and a top scientist, who believed in his work of non-proliferation. He supported the invasion--he wanted Saddam ousted--but something turned him around about the war in spring 2003, after the invasion, and he began whistleblowing about the war's false premises. He had friends in Iraq. He was in a good position to hear about a WMD-planting plot (and its foiling), and there were Islamic news reports about it. Discovery of such a plot seems like a good candidate for what turned him around.

*July 6. July 7. Wilson published his article about the phony Niger claims on July 6. This appears to be the trigger for Treasongate (the outing of Plame). But is it? There is evidence that the Bushites EXPECTED his article. (He'd been talking to them, trying to get them to back off that claim, for months.) But what they may NOT have expected is Kelly's whistleblowing and (if true) his knowledge of their dirty scheme to actually plant the nukes. If the WMD-planting schemes were the "uncomfortable things" that Blair was apprised of on July 7 (that Kelly "could say"), and Blair told Bush (they were in close communication at that time), then we may have the real cause of the apparent panic among the Bushites that week--for instance, their calls to at least SIX reporters (six journalist witnesses to treason) in the week of July 6-12, in what looks like a very rushed and foolish effort to find a patsy newsman to immediately out Plame/Brewster-Jennings, an effort that put numerous top Bushites at maximum risk of treason charges, and for which Rovian revenge against Wilson was a cover story.

On the day he died, July 17, David Kelly emailed Judith Miller (yup, they were old buds), stating his concern about the "many dark actors playing games." She wrote his obit news article for the NYT a couple of days later, and failed to mention this email, or her close connections to Kelly.

He had been through a rough couple of months--big media controversy in England (black-holed news story here)--but thought it would all blow over. He was looking forward to his daughter's wedding and returning to Iraq. His "dark actors" comment may have had to do with the mystery of how he got outed (a guess). He had promised his bosses he wasn't going to reveal any "state secrets." After interrogating him and threatening him, they outed his name to the press, and sent him home without protection and apparently without surveillance (!?). He went for his normal afternoon walk, and, according to the official story, sat down under a tree, out in the cold and the rain, took some painkillers (not enough to kill him), slit one wrist, and bled to death outdoors all night.

The Hutton inquiry ignored: 1) reports by paramedics of not enough blood at the scene for the method of death; 2) body was moved; 3) unlikely method of suicide for a top scientist (and a man--a notable "tough guy"); 4): no note, no evidence of despair (on the contrary, he was forward-looking); 5) many forensic experts objecting to the conclusion of suicide.

The facts just don't add up for a conclusion of suicide. But if, upon a real inquiry, it could be determined with good certainty that it was, what drove him to it could have been what he had found out about his government (profound disillusionment--no sign of it though), or their threats against him or his family. Simply being in the midst of a media/gov't controversy does not seem sufficient to drive Kelly to kill himself. He was an experienced hand at media relations (as well as at WMD inspections in Iraq and Russia). But gov't bullying and threats could conceivably have led him to feel trapped or despairing (again--no sign of it).

Whether he was assassinated (likely), or committed suicide (unlikely), is not critical to the WMD-planting theory of Treasongate, except as to the level of desperation of the people who were outing Plame/BJ. Their reason for outing Plame/BJ could be to cover up their WMD-planting scheme, whether or not Kelly was killed, and even whether or not he knew of their schemes. (Also, possibly he knew something ELSE.)

One of the Islamic press articles said that the whistleblower (a person named Nella Rogers) was a Pentagon debriefer who had heard descriptions of an effort to plant WMDs in Iraq that met with "friendly fire." She assumed that it was a CIA operation that had been foiled. But, given all of the above, it seems far more likely that it was Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans, operating contrary to CIA and US policy, and engaging in proliferation in an effort to deceive the public.

I've wondered about the "Rome group"--the ones who probably cooked up the "crude" Niger forgeries, and the presence at that meeting of the notorious Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. I suspect that they were cooking up more than easily detectable forgeries.

This theory of Treasongate is just a theory, but it continues to hold up well as new information has emerged. I would treat it as a plausible and useful working hypothesis.

There are other theories of why Plame/BJ was outed--that the BJ network was getting close to Saudi/Bush/9/11 money connections, dirty Cheney arms dealings, or other Bush Cartel crime. It's quite possible the Bushites had multiple reasons for getting rid of honest CIA operations. However, the coincidence of Plame/Kelly dates, and the matter at hand when those events occurred, the thing on everybody's mind--the big "hunt" for WMDs in Iraq--and the feel of rush and panic in the way Plame/BJ was outed, all point to a specific trigger that week, and the choice (apparently) is between the Wilson publication (July 6), and Kelly's whistleblowing and subsequent interrogation (July 7).

That Valerie Plame's career was ruined and her life's work destroyed--with some of her agents/contacts possibly killed, or at the least disabled--and David Kelly, working on the same issue, in the same kind of controversy, ended up dead, all in the same week, seems a bit much of a coincidence. TWO of our top non-proliferation experts--the very people we need most--swept off the scene in one week, within the two governments who claimed to be so concerned about WMDs that they had to kill tens of thousands of innocent people because of it.

It's an old saw, I know, but it sure rings true here: sometimes we fail to see the forest for the trees.


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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:45 PM
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27. Thank goodness you are here - look at my post above
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:48 PM by stop the bleeding
post# 16 - Pssst people look over here

You called this months ago.

:yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock:

BTW - this time I have bookmarked this.

thank you, thank you, thank you
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:54 PM
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30. thanks so much for the heads up!!
:headbang: :yourock: :headbang:
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:54 PM
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29. peace patriot you rock!!!
if you read my post #9, i read the raw story article, stumbled upon what someone said about the article and have spent the rest of the day wondering about that connection. i was hoping to find someone more knowledgeable than me regarding this to see what they thought about this theory. and then you....well all i have to say is wow! thanks! btw, if you have the link to the original thread that stop the bleeding was talking, it would be much appreciated.:headbang: :yourock: :headbang:
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:40 PM
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25. I remember someone mentioning Judith Miller being poised to
be the first to get the WMD story. I guess that's probably why she was embedded with this particular unit in the first place. She was hoping for a Pulitzer but only got jail.:evilgrin:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:22 PM
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33. see Peace Patriot's post # 24 - he/she is the one I was referring to

in my above post - they have it all laid out in their response.

Enjoy!!!
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:45 PM
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26. Judith Miller was embedded with one of the units of the 75th.
Other groups operating at this same time included the 75th Exploitation Task Force, a unit of roughly 900 specialists, made up of smaller tactical teams, who followed on the heels of TF20. Judith Miller was embedded with one of the units of the 75th.

(snip)

Didn't one account of her travails as an embed describe her as insistant that they find the WMD?

She is not just a journalist, IMHO. Lets see, possibly planting WMD and possibly tipping off Islamic charities before a raid. I'd say she does whatever Bushco tells her to do. With a vengance.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:29 PM
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34. Chalabi was an Iranian spy according to DIA's Pat Lang
The whole Iraq War was called 'good work' by Lang, as an admission of one of the greatest intelligence coups a foreign power has pulled over on the US.

When R's go throwing around that 'treason' word at Dems and Greens and progressives they should be taking a good look in the mirror with their neocon/OSP/PNAC buddies.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:05 PM
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37. MET Alpha is the sub-team she was with n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:14 PM
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31. k & r
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:06 PM
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35. Here's a good objection that has come up, re: the WMD-planting theory
of Treasongate. The Raw Story article gets into it, at the end:


"The source said intelligence officers understood quickly what they were being asked to do and that the assumption was they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them.

“'But the guys were thinking this is absurd because anything put down would not pass the smell test and could be shown to be not of Iraqi origin and not using Iraqi methodology,' the source added.

"Former and current US intelligence officers explain that such forensics is essential and would have in fact proved if a weapons stash found was using Iraqi methodology.

“'A good example of how forensics is used can be found in the recent development around enriched uranium isotopes found on centrifuges in Iran,' one said. “'ran claimed to have purchased the centrifuges from Pakistan, but certain people pushing for war with Iraq were claiming that this was evidence of Iraqis reconstituting their nuclear weapons program. The forensics showed that the Iranians were telling the truth and that they in fact had purchased the items from Pakistan, a US ally.”

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It's true that nuke materials have signatures, as do nuke weapons programs, but consider this:

1. Would un-bribable, un-threatenable, truly independent experts ever have been let near that evidence? (Keep in mind that the Bushites forced the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.)

2. Is it not possible that Manucher Ghorbanifar (life-long dealer in illicit weapons in the Middle East), perhaps in cahoots with Chalabi (a double-agent with Iran) could have procured nukes or other WMDs that could pass the "smell test"?

3. Since when did having bad evidence ever stop the Bushites from claiming things--and getting away with the most outrageous lies? They constantly work the newsstream to make the false seem true and the true seem false. That's their M.O. They fuzz up and smear over matters of evidence and truth. And the US war profiteering corporate news monopolies give them every chance to do so. The lapdog press has gotten a little more nippy these days; keep in mind how they were THEN. The Bush Cartel could get away with ANYTHING (and still pretty much does).

I'm no expert on this. In my ignorance, it sounds like a pretty good objection to the WMD-planting theory, for a rational scientific mind. Not BushWorld.

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Re: Judith Miller. She was leading the US troops around in Iraq, pointing them here and there, and threatening them with her Pentagon connections when they wouldn't do things her way. She became a real annoyance to the commanders in the field. And if you presume that she was in on the WMD-planting scheme, and knew where (or approx where) the phony stuff was going to be, it all starts to make sense.

Also, if you backtrack and realize that all the Bushites and NeoCons and warmongers like Miller KNEW there were no WMDs in Iraq (because they were all going to such trouble to manufacture the case for it, out of whole cloth), why did they purposefully prep the US public and the world for a "find"--with all this high profile "hunting" and the hype that preceded it--and the continued hype throughout the "hunt"? You'd think they would have dropped the hype the minute they set foot in Iraq. Instead, they went on with it all spring/early summer, I think in the continued expectation that one of their WMD-planting efforts would pan out.

It's kind of like election fraud. When you see how the Bushites set up our election system, with Bushite corporations owning and controlling the vote tabulation with "trade secret," proprietary programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, and $4 billion from a Bushite Congress to bribe the states to convert to expensive electronic systems on a crash-course basis (insecure, hackable machines that election officials don't really know much about), you gotta figure they did all that for a REASON. If they had wanted a transparent election in 2004, we would have had one. It's not rocket science. So, they went to all this trouble to create a NON-transparent election system so that maybe Kerry could get elected? I don't think that was ever a possibility.

Same thing with their capabilities in Iraq. If they set it up to lie, cheat and steal, they WILL. If they bring the entire US military machine down upon a near-defenseless Iraq, and bomb tens of thousands of innocents, and come in and immediately set up torture prisons, and permit widespread chaos and looting so that no one knows what is going on, and if they're dealing with illicit characters like Chalabi and Ghorbanifar--in short, if they set up conditions so that they CAN slip WMDs in and plant them, they WILL. Or they will try to.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:20 PM
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36. This is HUGH!!!11!! Seriously! Feith/Franklin/PNAC/Lies/ etc.
all rolled into one.

We all know what Gen. Franks thought of Douglas Feith. And Larry Franklin (who *was* spying for Israel) worked out of Frank's office. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski has also detailed the horrors of the ideologues running the OSP in her The New Pentagon Papers and Seymour Hersh has written about them multiple times (The Stovepipe and Selective Intelligence). And, it's been bandied about, mostly as jokes and empty rhetoric, that the administration would plant WMDs at some point to prove that Saddam had them.

Well, sh*t a brick if they weren't actually looking to do that!!!

If they had one ounce of respectability, the Republican Party would stop holding party above country and do the right thing and investigate these bastards in the White House, State Dept, and the Pentagon that deceived and lied their way into an invasion of Iraq.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:43 PM
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38. Back in July 2004, I suspected this might be the case.
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140. Bush's rationale for war was a series of McGuffins!


Thanks for resurrecting the Hitchcock lexicon, although in dimson's case it would have to be a post-McGuffin, since he was using the same McGuffins his FATHER used which were recycled old news the first time around! He used weapons of mass destruction against his own people! Never mind that we tried to shift blame to Iran, or that we kept funding him even after the truth came out.

Outing Plame to silence Wilson was definitely a bungled twofer, but again I have to go back to Joe Klein's article in Time and wonder, what was the significance of the "sting operation" that Plame was involved in regarding WMD trafficking?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,11010...

Then I remembered an article I saw on commondreams.org:

US Unloading WMDs in Iraq


TEHRAN (Mehr News Agency) -- Over the past few days, in the wake of the bombings in Karbala and the ideological disputes that delayed the signing of Iraq's interim constitution, there have been reports that U.S. forces have unloaded a large cargo of parts for constructing long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the southern ports of Iraq.

A reliable source from the Iraqi Governing Council, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Mehr News Agency that U.S. forces, with the help of British forces stationed in southern Iraq, had made extensive efforts to conceal their actions.

He added that the cargo was unloaded during the night as attention was still focused on the aftermath of the deadly bombings in Karbala and the signing of Iraq's interim constitution.

The source said that in order to avoid suspicion, ordinary cargo ships were used to download the cargo, which consisted of weapons produced in the 1980s and 1990s.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0313-08.htm

I think that even if the Bush misadministration was stupid enough to believe their own rhetoric in the buildup to war that there were "stockpiles" of WMD, the fact that Saddam did not use any to defend his country when the US invaded should have clued them in to the truth that there were no WMD. Is it possible that they tried to plant WMD before this year and that Plame was part of a "sting operation" to stop Cheney or Rummy from accomplishing it?

Just a theory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1971177#1976491



It sure is great to see my suspicions confirmed!
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:30 AM
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42. Nb. Re. Joe Klein's article in time
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:55 PM
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43. Here's what I was trying to link to by Klein.
Plenty More to Swear About
by Joe Klein

Michael Moore couldn't have said it any better — and this book was vetted by CIA censors. In fact, the views of Anonymous are an accurate reflection of the opinions I've heard from multiple intelligence sources. The spooks seem to believe that outgoing CIA Director George Tenet was strong-armed by Cheney and Rumsfeld into overassessing Iraq's WMD capacity. This may or may not be true, but it is the conventional wisdom in the intelligence community. Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components. Plame was outed in a White House attempt to discredit the finding of her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. "Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll" of the CIA, an intelligence source told me.

more...

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1101040705-658343,00.html


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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:47 PM
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39. More lies from *.....
What else do you expect....TRust NO One
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:28 PM
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40. Planting WMD... Like whoa... n/t
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:33 AM
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41. kick
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:36 PM
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44. Larissa A. from Rawstory is on Laura Flanders tonight at 8pm EST
http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen

Click on listen live

She is the one who published this article.
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