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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:51 PM
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Pope says terror provokes 'clash of civilizations'
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Monday warned of a clash of civilizations caused by the "moral perversion" of terrorism.

The danger of a "clash of civilizations" had been "made more acute by organized terrorism, which has already spread over the whole planet," the Pope said.

He said he was thinking especially of Iraq, "the cradle of great civilizations, which in these past years has suffered daily from violent acts of terrorism."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060109/wl_nm/pope_dc_1
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:01 PM
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1. Has he been reading Samuel Huntington?
The historian who wrote the book Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order? Huntington was refused entry to the National Academy of Scientists, after a mathematician (Serge Lang) in the NAS argued that his work was pseudoscientific because of his use of pseudo-mathematical language.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:16 PM
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9. I doubt it for this is what the pope Said in his Speech
"The commitment to truth on the part of Diplomatic missions, at both bilateral and multilateral level, can offer an essential contribution towards reconciling the undeniable differences between peoples from different parts of the world and their cultures, not only in a tolerant coexistence, but according to a higher and richer design of humanity. In past centuries, cultural exchanges between Judaism and Hellenism, between the Roman world, the Germanic world and the Slav world, and also between the Arabic world and the European world, have enriched culture and have favoured sciences and civilizations. So it should be again today, and to an even greater extent, since the possibilities of exchange and mutual understanding are much more favourable. To this end, what is needed above all today is the removal of everything that impedes access to information, through the press and through modern information technology, and in addition, an increase in exchanges between scholars and students from the humanities faculties of universities in different cultural regions"


This Continues Benedict's theme since his election to stop ALL armed conflicts and try to convert the money going into arms into aid for the Third world.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:05 PM
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10. Something we can all support!
Thanks for posting Benedict's speech. I'm conditioned to mistrust him because of the unpleasant things he and his Church have been saying/doing to gay priests and gay people in general.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:35 PM
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13. The Pope is clearly not "Pro-Gay" but he is also not "Anti-Gay"
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 05:40 PM by happyslug
Do not confuse him with the Far Right, he is trying to address the Pedophile cases as best he can. One of the problem with the Pedophile Cases is the age of the victims. Most of the Victims would be of the Age of Consent under the Common Law (Catholic Priests very rarely have access to children under about age 10, the vast majority of victims are age 12 and up). The Common Law age of Consent was 12. Yes, most of the Cases involving the Catholic Church occurred when the victims are of the age they are discovering sex. Thus is the issue pedophilia or homosexuality? (We will ignore the cases where the Victim was female, a huge number but even fewer filed charges or sued) In one local case that went to trial the age of the Victim was 15 (He had had a relationship with the Priest for a few years before that but those sexual encounters were pass the time set forth in the Statute of Limitation). Under State law the act done at age 15 was still below the Age of Consent and thus Pedophilia but it also was a Homosexual act by Consent (The Victim is presently in a Mental Hospital do to this mental strain and other mental problems so how much consent is questionable).

Another problem was reports of people dropping out of the Seminaries do to being hit on by Gay teachers in the Seminaries. The Pope is Afraid that if that gets out Catholic Priests will be viewed as a "Gay" profession and no non-gay would want to join. Thus the recent take over of these Seminaries in the US and efforts to address this problem of perception (and even the Pope realizes it is more a problem of perception than reality).

Thus one of the reason for his actions against "Gays" has to do with addressing the issue of sex among the clergy. His recent ruling on Gay priest is a clear example of his trying to balance these problems. In that decision Gays can be priest provided they have shown an ability NOT to engage in sex (The three year rule) AND are NOT advocating a Gay Lifestyle (i.e. Priests can be CATHOLIC Priests who happen to be gay, but NOT GAY-Catholic Priests, there is a difference). As Pope John Paul II said, he opposes gay acts but not gays themselves. Within the Catholic Traditions no one is without sin, and anything from within is NOT a sin, it only becomes a sin when it manifests itself in a sinful way.

Furthermore the Catholic Church divides sins into two Categories, sins (or more accuracy errors) and Severe Sins (Violation of the Ten Commandments). Homosexuality or the act of Homosexuality is NOT a violation of Ten Commandments (Unless connected to a Violation of the Ten Commandments by the act of Homosexuality). Thus Homosexuality is not a Severe Sin under Catholic Doctrine, it is a mere error and as such does NOT Dames anyone to Hell.

One last comment, one way a Homosexual can be a violation of the Ten Commandments is if the Act is part of a recognized part of of a anti-Jewish/Christian Religious ceremony. Public Male Homosexual acts seems to have been part of the Philistine Religion and maybe even the Egyptian and Phoenician Religions and thus acts of Public Male Homosexuality were viewed as rejections of Jewish law and thus the God of the Jews. Lesbians were not so treated in the Bible (They are NOT even mentioned) for such acts could not be construed as Anti-Jewish Acts. The Philistine Religion ceremony is probably why Homosexuality is attacked so much in the Old Testament and even here the language is revealing, for it does not say, look for and destroy Homosexuals, but if you see such an act to kill both members. Thus the big issue is NOT the Homosexual act but that it was done in Public.

Prior to the Modern Pulp Paper (about 1850) Radio (1920) and Television (1947) you had no way to express authority on people except by visual means. Thus you have the knighting ceremony of the Middle ages where the King would slap his knights as he made them knights (The Slap indicated that only the King had authority to punish the Knight since he was the the King's Knight, and by accepting the slap the Knight signified to all who could see he was under the sole authority of the King). Other examples of this exists, when one Moslem conquered Spain, his Emir followed him to Spain and then WALKED ON HIS BACK, showing to one and all that despite his conquest of Spain, he was still the servant of the Emir and the Emir was in Charge. Crowning of a King is another example of this for the Crown represented he was king (and removal of the Crown in Public by another meant the King was no longer King). With Television we get the President right in our houses as he speaks to us and thus you no longer need such ceremony but prior to 1850 you needed such ceremony and such ceremonies meant things. Thus the acts baned in the Bible meant things to the Ancient Jews.

When it came to Public Homosexual conduct it meant they were no longer Jews and thus rejecting the First Commandment to Honor the God of the Hebrews but also they were rejecting the duty to honor one's parents (who you were rejecting by doing the act IN PUBLIC). This is why Homosexuality is attacked in the Old Testament. The problem for the Pope is he has radicals in his Church who wants to take these bans and apply them to today's society. The Pope also wants the pedophile cases to stop (and realized he has to address them to get them out of the way). We may disagree with how he is doing the balancing but he is NOT asking for a Purge of Homosexuals in the Church, he is NOT asking for stricter laws against Homosexuals, he believes marriage is more than two people agreeing to live together and have sex together and thus Marriage should be restricted to people who at least in theory can have children without any outside force. Don't confuse him with the more right-wing groups (including those within the Catholic Church) his recent speech asking for protections for minorities did not EXCLUDE Homosexuals from that protection.

Further watch the people quoting the Pope or the Vatican, for many of the people quoting the Pope have their own agendas. Some want to restrict Homosexuals, others want to restrict the Vatican (And you have some real anti-Catholic people out they in addition to Radical Anti-Homosexuals, Radical pro-Homosexual and Radical anti-Religion groups). All of these groups think nothing of misquoting the Pope, thus why I posted his complete Speech. That way you can get a feel for what Pope is trying to do as oppose to people's attempts to spin what the Pope says to further their agendas.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:10 AM
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17. self-delete
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 12:35 AM by Crisco
feh.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:26 AM
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19. I thought the Pope reiterated the Church's position that homosexuality
is a "objective disorder" (employing pseudo-medical language to describe a condition no longer regarded as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association nor the American Psychological Association). The Vatican has recently said that homosexuals are unable to form healthy relationships with either gender, which they said is a reason to deny them the priesthood. (This is a complete calumny, that gay people can't form healthy relationships with other people.)

Many observers say that the Church has brought up homosexuality in the priesthood as a political device to deflect attention away from the pedophilia scandal (and the underlying scandal of the hierarchy moving offending priests from parish to parish, and covering up the crimes). At any rate, it's nothing less than vicious for them to say they need to get rid of gay seminary professors because they have "hit" on students. If this behavior really happened, the professors who are guilty of it need to be removed or disciplined; they shouldn't accuse gays of a class of being prone to this behavior (which is what they mean when they make insinuations of a "gay culture" in the seminaries). I am personally outraged by this because I am a gay man and a professor (of mathematics), who has never made advances on any student (I have never had sexual contact with any student). I doubt any of my gay colleages (at least a dozen teach at my school) are guilty of such behavior -- but there is a heterosexual professor at my school who has numerous sexual relationships with his (female) students.

Gay marriage makes good sense morally and spiritually because it honors and cherishes same-sex relationships, which are often fully as healthy and enduring as opposite-sex relationships. Gay marriage encourages monogamy among gay people, a strong societal good in an era of HIV/AIDS. Coupling marriage with child-bearing is nonsense: the Church would never deny the sacrament of marriage to two middle-aged persons beyond the age of child-bearing.

The Church's position (as given by John Paul II, as you mention) that homosexuals are OK but homosexual sex is not OK, is in reality profoundly anti-gay, anti-human rights. Telling a class of people that the deepest joy, of sexual intimacy, is denied to them, is entirely evil. The Church should instead advance the teaching that homosexuality is moral when it is expressed in a healthy way (in the context of committed, caring, monogamous relationships). I myself am being celibate (chaste) until I am able to enter into such a relationship. (I should mention that I'm Episcopalian. I am not anti-Church nor anti-God; I have a real beef with the Roman Church but do not consider my stance one of enmity.)



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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:32 PM
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15. I kinda wanna read Huntington anyway
This is despite moving towards being a historian myself, or probably because of it. What I know of his argument is silly to say the very least, but you can't really claim it isn't influential, widely read, and (on its surface) really compelling. If ideas like that - both attractive and dangerous - are bouncing around the literature, or the contemporary politics sections of major bookstores, I think I want to read them if just because it helps understand where folks are coming from.

Agreeing with Huntington is kind of counterproductive, but I don't think I can knock the idea of understanding his theories. Whether we like 'em or not, they're there.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:06 PM
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2. He used terrorism three times in that speech...
does he sound like a mouth piece for Bush...or what...

Be afraid Be afraid...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:04 PM
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14. Well, it *was* a speech *about* terrorism
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 07:50 PM by Posteritatis
It's not exactly an irrelevant subject. An overinflated one, but I would rather see people discussing it than not. (I would rather see people discussing *anything* than not, but I'll take what I can get.)

If I use the word "terrorism" twice - well, three times - in this post talking specifically about the Pope's use of the word "terrorism," it hardly makes me a Bush mouthpiece. Besides, this is hardly the sort of statement Bush or any other Republican president would ever dare say.

Kneejerks are fun, and all well and good, but really now. Challenge or credit the man for what he actually said, not based on how often he used a given word.

(edit 8:50p - fixy linky)
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:07 PM
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3. So do his policies against gays and abortions.
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 01:08 PM by Metta
He also doesn't understand that Iraq is a metaphor for the best and worst in each of us and that "the cradle of civilization" lives in the middle of each of our chests. ... another blind religious.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:10 PM
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4. Thinking especially of Iraq?They wouldn't even HAVE those acts of terror
if weren't for Bush.

So how about addressing the real issue, you charlatan?

Sorry, but IMO the position of Pope in the Roman Catholic Church has been officially defiled. This man has an agenda in league with the Neoconservatives. Of that, I'm certain.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:11 PM
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5. I believe that the new pope is smarter than his predecessor.
If true, it could be either good or bad for the human race, depending on how he uses his intellect.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:35 PM
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6. You could not write a more apt description of the US invasion of Iraq.
"Terrorism does not hesitate to strike defenseless people, without discrimination, or to impose inhuman blackmail, causing panic among entire populations, in order to force political leaders to support the designs of the terrorists," he said.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:58 PM
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7. Actual Speech
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 02:04 PM by happyslug
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/january/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060109_diplomatic-corps_en.html

ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS ACCREDITED TO THE HOLY SEE
FOR THE TRADITIONAL EXCHANGE OF NEW YEAR GREETINGS

Monday, 9 January 2006

Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

With joy I welcome you all to this traditional meeting between the Pope and the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See. After our celebration of the great Christian feasts of Christmas and Epiphany, the Church continues to draw life from the joy that they bring: that joy is great, because it arises from the presence of Emmanuel - God with us - but it is also quiet, since it is experienced within the domestic setting of the Holy Family, whose simple and exemplary story the Church relives intimately at this time. Yet it is also a joy that needs to be communicated, because true joy cannot be isolated without becoming attenuated and stifled. So to all of you, Ambassadors, and to the peoples and Governments that you worthily represent, to your beloved families and to your colleagues, I wish Christian joy. May it be the joy of universal brotherhood brought by Christ, a joy that is rich in truthful values and is openly and generously shared; may it remain with you and grow every day of the year that has just begun.

Your Dean, Excellencies, has conveyed the greetings and good wishes of the Diplomatic Corps, finely expressing your sentiments. To him and to you I offer thanks. He also mentioned some of the many grave problems that afflict today’s world. They are of concern to you as also to the Holy See and the Catholic Church throughout the world, which is in solidarity with every form of suffering, with every hope and with every effort that accompanies human history. Hence we feel united as in a common mission, which confronts us with ever new and formidable challenges. Yet we address them with confidence, eager to support one another - each according to his proper responsibility - on our path towards great common objectives.

I spoke of “our common mission”. And what is this, if not the mission of peace? The Church’s task is none other than to spread the message of Christ, who came, as Saint Paul writes in the Letter to the Ephesians, to proclaim peace to those who are far away and to those who are near (cf. 2:17). And you, esteemed Diplomatic Representatives of your peoples, according to your statutes (Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations) you have this among your noble goals: to promote friendly international relations. On this foundation, true peace can develop.

Peace, alas, is hindered or damaged or threatened in many parts of the world. What is the way that leads to peace? In the Message that I delivered for the celebration of this year’s World Day of Peace, I said: “wherever and whenever men and women are enlightened by the splendour of truth, they naturally set out on the path of peace” (no. 3). In truth, peace.

In today’s world, alongside appalling scenes of military conflict, open or latent, or only apparently resolved, one can observe, thank God, a courageous and tenacious effort on the part of many people and institutions in support of peace. Reflecting upon this situation, I would like to offer some thoughts by way of fraternal encouragement, which I will set out in a few simple points.

The first: commitment to truth is the soul of justice. Those who are committed to truth cannot fail to reject the law of might, which is based on a lie and has so frequently marked human history, nationally and internationally, with tragedy. The lie often parades itself as truth, but in reality it is always selective and tendentious, selfishly designed to manipulate people, and finally subject them. Political systems of the past, but not only the past, offer a bitter illustration of this. Set against this, there is truth and truthfulness, which lead to encounter with the other, to recognition and understanding: through the splendour which distinguishes it - the splendor veritatis - truth cannot fail to spread; and the love of truth is intrinsically directed towards just and impartial understanding and rapprochement, whatever difficulties there may be.

Your experience as diplomats can only confirm that, in international relations too, by seeking the truth one can identify the most subtle nuances of diversity, and the demands to which they give rise, and therefore also the limits to be respected and not overstepped, in protecting every legitimate interest. This search for truth leads you at the same time to assert vigorously what there is in common, pertaining to the very nature of persons, of all peoples and cultures, and this must be equally respected. And when these aspects of diversity and equality - distinct but complementary - are known and recognized, then problems can be resolved and disagreements settled according to justice, and profound and lasting understandings are possible. On the other hand, when one of them is misinterpreted or not given its due importance, it is then that misunderstanding arises, together with conflict, and the temptation to use overpowering violence.

There seems to me to be an almost paradigmatic illustration of these considerations at that nerve point of the world scene, which is the Holy Land. There, the State of Israel has to be able to exist peacefully in conformity with the norms of international law; there, equally, the Palestinian people has to be able to develop serenely its own democratic institutions for a free and prosperous future.

The same considerations take on a wider application in today’s global context, in which attention has rightly been drawn to the danger of a clash of civilizations. The danger is made more acute by organized terrorism, which has already spread over the whole planet. Its causes are many and complex, not least those to do with political ideology, combined with aberrant religious ideas. Terrorism does not hesitate to strike defenceless people, without discrimination, or to impose inhuman blackmail, causing panic among entire populations, in order to force political leaders to support the designs of the terrorists. No situation can justify such criminal activity, which covers the perpetrators with infamy, and it is all the more deplorable when it hides behind religion, thereby bringing the pure truth of God down to the level of the terrorists’ own blindness and moral perversion.

The commitment to truth on the part of Diplomatic missions, at both bilateral and multilateral level, can offer an essential contribution towards reconciling the undeniable differences between peoples from different parts of the world and their cultures, not only in a tolerant coexistence, but according to a higher and richer design of humanity. In past centuries, cultural exchanges between Judaism and Hellenism, between the Roman world, the Germanic world and the Slav world, and also between the Arabic world and the European world, have enriched culture and have favoured sciences and civilizations. So it should be again today, and to an even greater extent, since the possibilities of exchange and mutual understanding are much more favourable. To this end, what is needed above all today is the removal of everything that impedes access to information, through the press and through modern information technology, and in addition, an increase in exchanges between scholars and students from the humanities faculties of universities in different cultural regions.

The second point which I would like to make is this: commitment to truth establishes and strengthens the right to freedom. Man’s unique grandeur is ultimately based on his capacity to know the truth. And human beings desire to know the truth. Yet truth can only be attained in freedom. This is the case with all truth, as is clear from the history of science; but it is eminently the case with those truths in which man himself, man as such, is at stake, the truths of the spirit, the truths about good and evil, about the great goals and horizons of life, about our relationship with God. These truths cannot be attained without profound consequences for the way we live our lives. And once freely appropriated, they demand in turn an ample sphere of freedom if they are to be lived out in a way befitting every dimension of human life.

This is where the activity of every State, and diplomatic activity between States, comes naturally into play. In the development of international law today, it is becoming increasingly clear that no Government can feel free to neglect its duty to ensure suitable conditions of freedom for its own citizens without thereby damaging its credibility to speak out on international problems. And rightly so: for in safeguarding the rights belonging to the person as such, rights which are internationally guaranteed, one must naturally give primary importance to ensuring the rights of freedom within individual States, in public and private life, in economic and political relations, and in the cultural and religious spheres.

In this regard, you yourselves are well aware that by its very nature the Holy See’s diplomatic activity is concerned with promoting, among other forms of freedom, the aspect of freedom of religion. Unfortunately, in some States, even among those who can boast centuries-old cultural traditions, freedom of religion, far from being guaranteed, is seriously violated, especially where minorities are concerned. Here I would simply recall what has been laid down with great clarity in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Fundamental human rights are the same on every latitude; and among them, pride of place must be given to the right to freedom of religion, since it involves the most important of human relationships: our relationship with God. To all those responsible for the life of Nations I wish to state: if you do not fear truth, you need not fear freedom! The Holy See, in calling for true freedom for the Catholic Church everywhere, also calls for that freedom for everyone.

I come now to a third point: commitment to truth opens the way to forgiveness and reconciliation. This necessary link between peace and the commitment to truth has given rise to an objection: differing convictions about the truth cause tensions, misunderstandings, disputes, and these are all the more serious the deeper the convictions underlying them. In the course of history these differences have caused violent clashes, social and political conflicts, and even wars of religion. This is undeniably true, but in every case it was the result of a series of concomitant causes which had little or nothing to do with truth or religion, and always, for that matter, because means were employed which were incompatible with sincere commitment to truth or with the respect for freedom demanded by truth. Where the Catholic Church herself is concerned, in so far as serious mistakes were made in the past by some of her members and by her institutions, she condemns those mistakes and she has not hesitated to ask for forgiveness. This is required by the commitment to truth.

Asking for forgiveness, and granting forgiveness, which is likewise an obligation – since everyone is included in the Lord’s admonition: let him or her who is without sin cast the first stone! (cf. Jn 8: 7) – are indispensable elements for peace. In this way our memory is purified, our hearts are made serene, and our gaze is clearly fixed on what the truth demands if we are to cultivate thoughts of peace. Here I would recall the illuminating words of John Paul II: “There can be no peace without justice, no justice without forgiveness” (Message for the 2002 World Day of Peace). I repeat these words, humbly and with deep love, to the leaders of nations, especially those where the physical and moral wounds of conflicts are most painful, and the need for peace most urgent. One thinks immediately of the birthplace of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, who had a message of peace and forgiveness for all; one thinks of Lebanon, whose people must rediscover, with the support of international solidarity, their historic vocation to promote sincere and fruitful cooperation between different faith communities; and of the whole Middle East, especially Iraq, the cradle of great civilizations, which in these past years has suffered daily from violent acts of terrorism. One thinks of Africa, particularly the countries of the Great Lakes region, still affected by the tragic consequences of the fratricidal wars of recent years; of the defenceless people of Darfur, subjected to deplorable violence, with dangerous international repercussions; and of so many other countries throughout the world which are the theatre of violent conflict.

Surely one of the great goals of diplomacy must be that of leading all parties in conflict to understand that, if they are committed to truth, they must acknowledge errors – and not merely the errors of others – nor can they refuse to open themselves to forgiveness, both requested and granted. Commitment to truth – which is certainly close to their hearts – summons them, through forgiveness, to peace. Bloodshed does not cry out for revenge but begs for respect for life, for peace! May the Peacebuilding Commission recently established by the United Nations Organization respond effectively to this basic demand of mankind, with the willing cooperation of all concerned.

And now, Your Excellencies, I would like to make a final point: commitment to peace opens up new hopes. This is, in some sense, the logical conclusion of everything that I have been saying. Man is capable of knowing the truth! He has this capacity with regard to the great problems of being and acting: individually and as a member of society, whether of a single nation or of humanity as a whole. The peace, to which he can and must be committed, is not merely the silence of arms; it is, much more, a peace which can encourage new energies within international relations which in turn become a means of maintaining peace. But this will be the case only if they correspond to the truth about man and his dignity. Consequently one cannot speak of peace in situations where human beings are lacking even the basic necessities for living with dignity. Here my thoughts turn to the limitless multitudes who are suffering from starvation. They cannot be said to be living in peace, even though they are not in a state of war: indeed they are defenceless victims of war. Immediately there come to mind distressing images of huge camps throughout the world of displaced persons and refugees, who are living in makeshift conditions in order to escape a worse fate, yet are still in dire need. Are these human beings not our brothers and sisters? Do their children not come into the world with the same legitimate expectations of happiness as other children? One thinks also of all those who are driven by unworthy living conditions to emigrate far from home and family in the hope of a more humane life. Nor can we overlook the scourge of human trafficking, which remains a disgrace in our time.

Faced with these “humanitarian emergencies” and other human tragedies, many people of good will, along with different international institutions and non-governmental organizations, have in fact responded. But a greater effort is needed from the entire diplomatic community in order to determine in truth, and to overcome with courage and generosity, the obstacles still standing in the way of effective, humane solutions. And truth demands that none of the prosperous States renounce its own responsibility and duty to provide help through drawing more generously upon its own resources. On the basis of available statistical data, it can be said that less than half of the immense sums spent worldwide on armaments would be more than sufficient to liberate the immense masses of the poor from destitution. This challenges humanity’s conscience. To peoples living below the poverty line, more as a result of situations to do with international political, commercial and cultural relations than as a result of circumstances beyond anyone’s control, our common commitment to truth can and must give new hope.

Your Excellencies!

In the Birth of Christ, the Church sees the Psalmist’s prophecy fulfilled: “mercy and faithfulness will meet; justice and peace will embrace; truth will spring up from the earth and justice will look down from heaven” (Ps 85:10-11). In his commentary on these inspired words, the great Church Father Augustine, expressing the faith of the whole Church, exclaimed: “Truth has indeed sprung up from the earth: Christ, who said of himself: ‘I am the Truth’, has been born of the Virgin” (Sermo 185).

The Church always draws life from this truth, but at this stage in the liturgical year she finds it a source of special light and joy. And in the light of this truth, may these words of mine stand for you, who represent most of the world’s nations, as an expression of conviction and hope: in truth, peace!

In this spirit, I offer to all of you my heartfelt best wishes for a happy New Year!

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:04 PM
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8. WRONG! "Clash of civilizations" provokes terror.
Stomping on people for decades. Putting in puppet governments. Doing all of the wrong things. Being inconsiderate. Not minding our own business. Minding their business when we shouldn't be. Not helping out when we should. Where do you want me to stop? Dipshit.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:42 AM
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21. Did you actually read the speech?
And not just the excerpts supplied under the misleading headline?

The commitment to truth on the part of Diplomatic missions, at both bilateral and multilateral level, can offer an essential contribution towards reconciling the undeniable differences between peoples from different parts of the world and their cultures, not only in a tolerant coexistence, but according to a higher and richer design of humanity.

In past centuries, cultural exchanges between Judaism and Hellenism, between the Roman world, the Germanic world and the Slav world, and also between the Arabic world and the European world, have enriched culture and have favoured sciences and civilizations. So it should be again today, and to an even greater extent, since the possibilities of exchange and mutual understanding are much more favourable.

To this end, what is needed above all today is the removal of everything that impedes access to information, through the press and through modern information technology, and in addition, an increase in exchanges between scholars and students from the humanities faculties of universities in different cultural regions.


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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:53 PM
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11. This Nazi Pope has seemed to mellow out
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:01 PM
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12. If there´s one thing Popes know it´s terror and civilization clashes.
They´ve been in that business for 1500 years.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:26 PM
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16. Terrorism IS a clash of civilizations...one has jets with bombs, the other
doesn't. The haves and the have nots. Terrorism is easy to stop. Stop messing with other people's countries and stop killing their citizens and stealing their stuff...problem solved. We would have ZERO terrorism problem if we weren't bombing people's familie's and homes around the world for the last couple centuries in order to steal wealth and land and to position our troops for future military adventures.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:12 AM
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18. I say the Pope is just a fallible human being.
Whose opinion doesn't mean squat when it comes to politics.
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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:31 AM
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20. He's all wet. What's Pat Robertson got to say about it? n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:45 AM
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22. "happyslug" posted the actual speech--Post #7.
PLEASE read it before commenting. The article only supplies clips & the headline is quite misleading.

Reading Comprehension so far? Pretty low.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:54 PM
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23. But kneejerk reactions are so much easier! (n/t)
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:46 PM
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24. confused....
"the cradle of great civilizations, which in these past years has suffered daily from violent acts of terrorism."

....ours or theirs?....
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:11 AM
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25. I'd say both
Culturally speaking you can trace most of both "Western" and Islamic culture to the Middle East, or at least the eastern Mediterranean. A good chunk of the reason why that neck of the woods is so chaotic is probably the fact that two very different cultures do have their origins in the area, with all the associations to the place you'd expect..
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:48 AM
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26. Terrorism is not the root of terrorism - Suppression of rights is!!!!!!
Violent acts of terrorism occur because a people are suppressed, unable to rise out of the oppressive environment of poverty caused by the greed of self-serving, wealthy individuals and militaristic megalomaniacs. On this point, he is spot on:

"On the basis of available statistical data, it can be said that less than half of the immense sums spent worldwide on armaments would be more than sufficient to liberate the immense masses of the poor from destitution. This challenges humanity's conscience," he said.


We can rail against the terrorists all we want but unless the *ROOT CAUSE* is addressed, nothing will be fixed. NOTHING. Better to point fingers at the greedy corporate elite, the wealthy aristocracies, and each human who makes excuses to take advantage of another for personal gain. Only the extermination of poverty will stop terrorism. Anything else we do is only spinning our wheels, at best delaying the inevitable consequences of malevolence.
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