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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:47 AM
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GM told: Cut every salary
GM told: Cut every salary
Kerkorian's message: Fix must start at top, aide says
January 11, 2006

Billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian sent a stern message to General Motors Corp. on Tuesday -- cut wages from the boardroom to the factory floor, chop costs by selling the Saab and Hummer brands, and adopt a sense of urgency to survive.

With GM burning through $24 million of cash a day, the company will run out of money in 1,000 days or sooner unless executives make tough decisions now, Kerkorian aide Jerome York said in a speech delivered on GM territory at the Renaissance Center.

"This situation calls for the company's going into crisis mode, adopting a degree of urgency that recognizes if things don't break right, the unthinkable could happen, that time is of the essence," York told the Society of Automotive Analysts. The society represents those who advise stockholders on automotive investments.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2005601110463
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:50 AM
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1. Well, Duh
As long as the hierarchy is cut back below the assembly line, GM will be all right. (As if)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:56 AM
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2. Please sell Saab...
...to a company that doesn't suck. Pretty please?
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:00 AM
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3. Gee whiz.
Saab did a fine job of making Chevrolets.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:40 AM
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8. I just want to see them base their cars...
...on something other than the godawful Vectra platform, and stop using GM rubbish bin parts in the interior.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:07 AM
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5. Well, SAAB's inline-five is currently (under)powering Hummer's H3,
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 08:09 AM by mikeytherat
so I guess they have to be sold as a package deal.

Yep, that's one of the ways GM made the H3 affordable -- they put a 220 horsepower straight-five engine into a 4700 pound vehicle, essentially turning the accelerator into a thermostat. I mean, the H1 and H2 Hummers were not exactly bahn-burners, but the H3 can't even get out of its own way.

mikey_the_rat
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schrodinger_I Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:54 AM
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12. I hope they never buy BMW or Porsche
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 09:55 AM by schrodinger_I
I love having some cars with decent engineering
that are not made by a sucky company. I say let GM
go out of business. They can't engineer a decent vehicle.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:12 AM
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14. I doubt they would or could.
BMW is in the business of buying up other marques anyway. Mmm... If BMW bought Saab, then maybe they'd get back to making cars with the same build quality as the ones they did in the 80s. I miss my old 900.
::sniffle::
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:20 AM
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15. in their defense
The Corvette Z06 is easily the best performing, best engineered car built in the U.S. (Bowling Green, KY, with union labor)

and yes, I've been a Corvette fan since childhood
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:43 AM
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16. Have you read Jeremy Clarkson's review of it?
There is a great deal in the news these days about the forthcoming election in America, in which an incoherent man with eyes that are suspiciously close together is up against a man with an enormous chin. Why? We aren’t treated to daily updates from the elections in Lesser Micronesia, or Holland, so why are we inundated with every last utterance from these super-buffoons?


I think there's a car review in it somewhere...

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1235587_3,00.html
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:32 PM
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23. i haven't read it
personally, i'm not a fan of clarkson---i'm aware of his credentials and qualifications, but his reviews are usually shite, because he'll spend a whole column stating that he hates a car, but not WHY he hates it, and his wit is lacking whenever he tries to be glib or funny
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:14 AM
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31. try here
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:07 PM
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30. "They can't engineer a decent vehicle."!....High 5 on that quote!
No :cry: from me
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:04 AM
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4. Let's see the CEO makes two hundred million dollars and the floor workers
make $16,50 an hour. Cut the CEO's salary in half and they will still be making way more than their performance dictates they should but cut the workers pay and they are done done done. If you don't support your employees then you don't deserve to be in business.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:25 AM
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6. I can't possibly think of ANYONE
on this entire planet that does anything worthy of the salary of $200,000,000.00
per year! Outrageous!
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:51 AM
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9. yeah but....
If you cut those 20,000 workers salaries in half, then you save $160,000, 1
of Which, $150,000 can go towards raising the CEO's salary
and $10,000 can go towards his travel.

No problem!

:-)

Dap
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:30 AM
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10. I don't even mind it as much
when the CEOs make big bucks for running a successful company, but to get paid millions of dollars for running a business into the toilet? Something is radically wrong with that, I cannot even see the pro-capitalist types in favor of it.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:32 AM
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17. Let's get out the calculator
If we cut his $200 Mill salary in half to $100 mill that would save the company $281,000 PER DAY! Roughly $8.3 mill per MONTH! OK, that won't solve all their problems but it is one hell of a start. I own a Pontiac and it is a pretty good car. Not as durable as my wife's Honda, but I do like the car.
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yppahemnkm Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:30 PM
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22. 200 million?
Are you sure its 200 million? I have never heard of a 200 million dollar annual wage.
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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:38 PM
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29. Alot of CEOs make a very good salary in cash and then get
HUGE amounts of bonus money in the form of stock options. If the CEO of GM does indeed make 200 mil a year it is likely that most of that figure comes from stocks.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:08 AM
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35. No that number is wildly off
Here's a paragraph on the saubject from Investor's Business Daily


"Wagoner made nearly $8.5 million in total compensation in 2003, including a $2.2 million salary, a $2.8 million bonus and $3.3 million in incentive pay tied to stock price. His total compensation fell to $4.8 million in 2004. GM already has said executives will get no bonuses this year and the company's stock price has fallen, so Wagoner won't get much more than his base salary in 2005."

Not that I'm going to be sending him a donation, but 4.8 million is a lot different than 200 million.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:34 AM
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7. Ah...
Wilbur Ross is probably rubbing his hands together gleefully already. He wants to expand his Steel, Coal and Textile Empire into Automobil manufacturing and probably can't wait to start his International Auto Group. Damn Vultures!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:49 AM
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11. Look - the Von Crap Family! "Cut Every Salary, Offshore Every Job . . .
Bump up Lutz's salary
Though he's one dumb slob!!

Then you can have footage of GM executives walking over mountains of rubble and line workers' bodies as they make their break for tax-free freedom in the Enchanted Kingdom of the Golden Parachutes.

:puke:
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:05 AM
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13. One more.....
Sell Saturn to an automaker who actually cares about that brand. Saturn started out as different and betterm but in the last 5 years, GM seems to want to destroy anything that made Saturns good cars, and make them instead in another GM generic piece of shit.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:23 PM
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27. Hear, hear!
I loved my '97 Saturn...only traded it in to get the mommy minivan.

I won't buy another one unless GM leaves it alone!
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:35 AM
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18. Kerkorian did such a "job" on buying/selling/buying MGM. But then again,
these GM employees recently all got "employee discounts" on their purchases of GM cars, didn't they? Maybe (according to Kerkorian), that WAS their "bonus"/employee "golden parachute."
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:28 PM
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21. This, from "Billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian"
Yes, his first name is billionaire.

How much did he say he was kicking in?




Typical. Sell out the employees so that the stock is able to show good numbers for the investors who have never worked an hour for the company. Thank Walmart for that mentality. Employee benefits scare off Wall Street.

Shop Costco and BJ's who have shown the other business model can turn a profit and pay living wage.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:30 AM
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44. Go back and google Kerkorian's "manipulations" of MGM assets...
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 10:32 AM by zann725
I was there at the time. He sold off the film library, gutted the place, sold it, then bought it back later...and as I recall, sold essentially the only thing left a few years later (the Trademark name "MGM").

He's a heartless 'bottom-feeder.' It took MGM (production entity) a good 20 years to recover from his pirate-ing.

Kerkorian,like Donald Trump, is a "product" of the glutonous "80's."
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:36 PM
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24. Employees of the big three have always gotten employee
discounts. It's nothing new. And it really isn't that great a deal, or at least I don't think so. It does help some and of course, takes the "dickering" out of buying a car, but just so those of you who aren't tied to the auto industry know, it's not like employees get $10,000 off or anything.

P.S. My hubby works for Chrysler.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:42 PM
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19. Does anyone think the cartel is trying to destroy union jobs in
retaliation for ads against dim son in the last election. Was not union money a big issue in right wing talking points. I'm no expert, just who decided GM was junk loan status causing disinvestment by law from pension funds etc.. Just wondering.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:16 PM
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20. Gonna see a few golden parachutes popping open soon
They can't cut boardroom wages prematurely...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:48 PM
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25. GM just doesn't get it-even as the hour glass runs out
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:33 AM
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32. what's "it"
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:52 PM
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26. Kick and Nom. GM is going down the same road as Delphi. File
Bankruptcy if the workers don't take a salary cut. Let's not forget to give the CEO a great buyout package. Corporate ASSHOLES the whole lot of them.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:32 PM
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28. How about they outsource...
the CEO's job to China, and get somebody for about 30K per year.

Bill
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:34 AM
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33. They sure waited long enough. They should cut the top 20 execs
salaries by about 90% and they will still be extremely wealthy
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:35 AM
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34. I hope they stay in business. If they don't it will have a terrible
ripple effect throughout the economy
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:06 AM
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36. They will go bankrupt to dump their pension and health care costs.
This is what Kerkorian really wants, along with management.

That will be a lesson those Reagan Democrats in Macomb County won't forget!
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oneoftheboys Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 08:40 AM
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37. When benefits are factored into the equation,
an assembly line worker makes $78 an hour. This is unsustainable.

The ride on the gravy train is over for the UAW.



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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 08:44 AM
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38. $78 /hr?
how do you arrive at that figure?
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 09:49 AM
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40. I'd like to see that broken down.
I keep hearing these large benefit figures but I've yet to see the break down of how much goes to insurances, pensions etc.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 09:22 AM
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39. Once Again... The People Will Pay
The wealthy won't and yet it was their own fault to begin with. Look at the vehicles these assholes make?

"Here ya go buddy. Buy a Hummer or this here gas guzzler while oil and gas prices go up, up, up..."

Great diea, assholes!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:23 AM
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42. HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 10:32 AM by superconnected
After cutting salaries,laying off the blue collar workers, and moving factories to mexico for years, looks like the management and the executives are now going to be hit by those policies.

Managements nearly always safe, especially upper level managment who instill these policies. Looks like it's going to bite them in the ass.

And GM made invented the precident for cutting workers and moving factories out of the country when it was in record profits. Remember the movie Roger and Me.

An investor is doing this, not a ceo. Amazing in a sick greedy blood thirsty corporate way.

we'll see more of it.

The greedest at the top biting even the people who thought they were safe, who helped him make his billions by wallmart-level labor policies.

Just Beautiful.

On second thought, they've got the dumb ass lowly workers willing to take the cuts to help them. Some how I don't think the Executives are going to take much of a cut. They're even cutting out of the retired peoples pensions. How does that billionaire sleep at night.

Bastards.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:25 AM
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43. Don't you just love how super-rich CEOs are always in favor of paycuts
as a way to solve "business plan" shortfalls? :puke:
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:31 AM
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45. Kirk Kerkorian isn't a "car executive"
He runs resorts in Vegas. General Motors isn't the MGM Mirage.

Get a Lee Iacocca-type in there to turn that company around. I want somebody in the executive suite who's lived and breathed the automotive industry his/her entire life.

Either that, or good-bye GM.
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