Bush Won't Close Guantanamo Prison, Despite German Request

[sabra]

http://www.wral.com/news/6058318/detail.html

Bush Won't Close Guantanamo Prison, Despite German Request


WASHINGTON -- President George W. Bush is rejecting a suggestion by Germany's chancellor that the United States shut down the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

He said the base is a "necessary part of protecting the American people."

Bush spoke to reporters after meeting with new German chancellor Angela Merkel -- who made it clear that she brought up Germany's concerns about the treatment of terror suspects at the base.

Bush said there are "misperceptions" about Guantanamo. He said as long as there's a war on terrorism, the United States will need to have a way to hold people who would do the nation harm. And he insisted that those detainees would be treated humanely.

[PunkPop]

1. Looks like their conservatives aren't quite as fascist as ours.

n/t

[DBoon]

11. because Germans have some experience with "detention camps"

and understand what happens when you start down that road.

[cliss]

12. great post,

worthy of remembering.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. In Other Words.....

New Chancellor of Germany, "Go Fu&$ Yourself!" I ain't closin' no torture factories.....errrrrr.....I mean bases.

[Trevelyan]

7. Army Maj. Gen. Miller headed prison in Cuba, set up Abu Ghraib

"General Asserts Right On Self-Incrimination In Iraq Abuse Cases

By Josh WhiteWashington Post Staff WriterThursday, January 12, 2006; A01

"Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, a central figure in the U.S. detainee-abuse scandal, this week invoked his right not to incriminate himself in court-martial proceedings against two soldiers accused of using dogs to intimidate captives at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, according to lawyers involved in the case....

"Army Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller headed prison facilities in Cuba and helped set up Abu Ghraib in Iraq....

"Maj. Christopher Graveline, who has prosecuted several of the Abu Ghraib abuse cases, said yesterday that Pappas might be called to testify in upcoming courts-martial, but declined to comment on "any current or future prosecutions."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/11/AR2006011102502.htm

[Deep13]

3. When the Germans think you have gone too far,...

...you have REALLY gone too far.

[tocqueville]

4. that was unfair

the Germans have learnt from history, to the difference from some

[Deep13]

6. Just struck me as ironic. nt

[Trevelyan]

9. Get involved and sign petitions, Letters of Solidarity of those who are

working so hard to stop these atrocities:

http://www.tortureisnotus.org/
http://www.cageprisoners.com/
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp
http://www.witnesstorture.org/
"We urgently need your help. Please contact your representatives in Congress and tell them the time has come to shut down the Guantánamo prison camp once and for all and to end the Administration’s policy of indefinite detention in any facility without due process of law."

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp

http://www.StopTheAbuses.com/ NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/...k/ L0998570L.htm
Red Cross in intense talks with US over secret jails 09 Dec 2005

[Benhurst]

5. Oh, well. It was sort of like asking Hitler to close down Dachau. NT

[Trevelyan]

8. doctors must not undertake force-feeding under any circumstances

Hunger strikers are tied down and fed through nasal tubes, admits Guantánamo Bay doctor

David RoseSunday January 8, 2006The Observer

New details have emerged of how the growing number of prisoners on hunger strike at Guantánamo Bay are being tied down and force-fed through tubes pushed down their nasal
passages into their stomachs to keep them alive.

They routinely experience bleeding and nausea, according to a sworn statement by the camp's chief doctor, seen by The Observer...

Article 5 of the 1975 World Medical Association Tokyo Declaration, which US doctors are legally bound to observe through their membership of the American Medical Association, states that doctors must not undertake force-feeding under any circumstances. Dr David Nicholl, a consultant neurologist at Queen Elizabeth's hospital in Birmingham, is co-ordinating opposition to the Guantánamo doctors' actions from the international medical community. 'If I were to do what Edmondson describes in his statement, I would be referred to the General Medical Council and charged with assault,' he said.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,16937,1681736,00.html?gusrc=rss

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Catrina]

10. What have we become?

Where is the rest of the world? Crying for those poor, desperate people, and for the realization that we have lost our humanity completely.

Maybe it's best not to fight them anymore. Lihop may be the best strategy. Let them do their worst because without opposition, those who fight us, claiming we are traitors for not supporting this criminal administration, will find out what they have been supporting. Maybe they need that.

All we are accomplishing is to slow things down a little, but they are pushing forward with their evil agenda, Iran is next on their list.

I want to see those stupid freepers when they do not have us between them and the regime they are so supportive of.

I'm almost willing to just stand back and watch. The quicker it happens, the faster they will finally wake up. Maybe too late, but maybe it's too late already. The existance of that gulag, without a peep out of the American people seems to suggest that we've already passed the point of no return.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[boobooday]

13. Release the prisoners

But don't tear it down yet.

We may have some war criminals to store there.