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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:25 PM
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Cops find canine carcasses in popular restaurant
"There was a lot of meat left in the freezer and I found the carcasses - I think they're probably hound dogs or racing dogs. I think it's absolutely disgusting."

http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-11-06-0011.html


"The place looked like it was doing bang-up business," said Don. "The parking lot was always full."

I think I'll skip the smorg for dinner tommorow.
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i have issues Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:33 PM
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1. Aw jeez,
now I've gotta thow out my dinner...:puke:
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:35 PM
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2. Well there is a Harry Chapin take off
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:37 AM
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36. Ooooh!
That was good!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:39 PM
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3. Robin Williams in "Good Morning, Vietnam."
"Don't eat in a restaurant located next to a pound. AAARRRF!"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:44 PM
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4. Aaah yes DOG on a stick--- Barbecued
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 09:45 PM by saigon68
A fine delicacy from the Far East. I remember it well washed down with about 6 cold "33" s remember them. In a pinch some black market Black Label also worked " ie: Hey Mabel Black Label" !!!!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:57 PM
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9. 33 ... Ba Moi Ba! ... Number 10 GI! Numer-o 10!
High formaldyhyde content. But, you drink what you can get in a combat zone. Eh?

Welcome home GI,
Mac
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:47 PM
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5. C'mon, that doesn't mean that they were serving dog
Maybe they were warehousing for a pet cemetary. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:52 PM
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17. The dogs were gutted.
I don't think pet cemeteries gut Fido before burying him.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:47 PM
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6. Who cares? It's all meat...
I'd get squeamish if HUMAN corpses were found, but how is dog different than cow or pig or chicken. Have you ever SEEN a live chicken? They're absolutely disgusting animals.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:53 PM
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8. Wait until they serve Paddy Rats
A large fine grain eating animal, with a long whippy tail.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:01 PM
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10. See "King Rat"
By James Clavell. Rats in Changi prison, Singapore.
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Okole Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:26 PM
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41. I agree
It ain't no thang but a chicken wing....er....Why are we so against eating dogs, shit, eat em I say. Let's start to raise them for food in Wyoming and Idaho.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:32 PM
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56. Exactly
Unless you're a vegetarian, who cares? People and pets eat horse meat. Horses are intelligent, people love 'em, I don't get why dogs are more special. People eat rabbit too. Bunnies! For god's sake! Why is a dog any holier? Or a cat for that matter?

Naturally, this goes on the assumption that the restaurant patrons knew what they were eating.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:04 PM
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58. predators should NEVER eat other predators!
it doesn't happen in the wild under normal circumstanses. When you go against nature, you get burned (witness feeding cows to cows=mad cow disease, man eating apes =ebola virus, man eats civit (a carnavore) and up pops SARS)!
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:48 PM
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7. You never know.
I was working as a technical advisor in an Asian country. I tried to eat in a different restaurant every night. One evening I wandered into an out-of-the way place. No one there spoke English so they sent out for an interpreter. The interpreter asked if I wanted some barbecue meat. I said yes. The meat was a rack of ribs -- very rare and tough. I tried to match the size of the ribs with the animal it might have come from. Too small for pork ... too big for rabbit ... wait a minute ... a dog would be about this size. I sent it back to be cooked a little more. They were so nice to me at this place that I didn't want to make them feel bad by not eating it. I figured if I died from it, at least I hadn't hurt any one's feelings in the process. That was thirty years ago.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:01 PM
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11. Your a brave man Bill.
On the Lonely Planet on discovery the guy ate curried sheeps brains,for breakfast! He just stopped at the first stall he came to. I think it was Northern Pakistan.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:55 PM
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18. a gracious death
You must be one polite guy!

Julie-who's always impressed with good manners :-)
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:23 AM
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22. i ate a "dog burger" at a hole in the wall.....
......in Barbados...i just figured it was a local name for a hamburger...after all, it had cheese, lettuce and tomato with a horseradish sauce...i thought nothing of it until we had left the port call, then i was informed there was ground dog meat for sale in the markets there....wasn't bad with the horseradish, i had to admit, but if i visit the island again i will stick to seafood and breadfruit....
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:13 PM
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12. Another of the many times I'm glad to be a vegetarian.... But c'mon!
Like any of us haven't eaten dog, rat, possum, and no telling what else in a lifetime of fast food restaurants.
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:17 PM
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13. Delicacy in some parts of Asia.
Big whoop. Some people in China and Korea eat dogs. Its supposedly quite delicious, or so they claim.

Here in Japan, they eat horse-sashimi and bear-paws. Just another meat-product.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:24 PM
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15. I don't have any problem with horse steaks, but "sashimi"? ewww
and I absolutely draw the line at bear parts. I'd eat a bear if I were starving, but some of the shit that goes on with those poor critters (like their gall bladders) is -really- disgusting...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:16 AM
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23. I had horse sashimi in 2000
I was staying in a minshuku (family-owned lodging) in Tsumago, which is in a mountainous area. They brought out the typical minshuku dinner of small servings of about ten different items of local traditional cuisine, and there were these red strips of meat on a folk art pottery tray. When I asked what it was, they said it was "basashi," or raw horse meat.

They explained that in the old days, Tsumago was too far from the sea to transport fish within the time frame that's safe for making sashimi, so they used horse meat instead. (Which begs the question of why one should eat any kind of meat raw. But anyway...)

I watched to see what the other guests (all Japanese) would do with it. They picked it up with their chopsticks, ran it through a shallow bowl of soy sauce, and ate it. I did the same. Actually, all I could taste was the soy sauce.

At least it was better than some of the squishy, chewy, oily marine life that I have been served at minshuku.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:42 AM
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33. I stayed at a minshuku in Kisennuma
which is very close to the epicenter of one of those recent Miyagi-ken earthquakes.

Anyway, the husband was a fisherman, and the menu feature fresh caught delicacies. Nothing oily or yucky about that.

As far as basashi goes, I have never tried it, and I don't know anyone who will admit to trying it. But I did make the mistake recently of purchasing a can of Godzilla brand "New Corn Beef" which actually contains horse meat. I have yet to gain the courage to try it.

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molok555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:43 PM
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43. Basashi is great!
Umm, as ling as you have no compunctions against raw horse meat.Yamanashi is one of the top places in Japan for it and since I lived there for more than 2 years...Get it with shoyu, shouga and tanpopo-delicious! Also had shika-sashi-not as good. A little gamey. And here in Sai Gon, gotta love the fried scorpions (actually not all that good).Some friends were at a local bia hoi and saw some people eating what they originallly thought was turkey-'till they realized that there ain't no turkey here. It was about dog-sized, though....
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:34 PM
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47. There's a very good biological reason why one would eat....
any kind of meat raw.

Vitamin C.

Humans do not produce their own C, unlike most other mammals.

C is very delicate, and breaks down into useless components under heat.

In a C deficient environment, raw meat will supply enough C to prevent scurvy and other C deficiency disorders. The Inuit have eaten their meat raw for most of their time in the Arctic. Northern Japan has a climate that can be as harsh and, in the winter, as deficient in vitamin bearing plant material. (See "The Primal Feast: Food, Sex, Foraging and Love" by Susan Allport for a good, layman's discussion of trace nutrients and biological needs.)

Thus, the taste for raw meat was biologically acquired, and continues as a cultural relict, even though tablets and imported produce are now available.

Politicat (who uses her anthropology degree far too infrequently.)
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:39 AM
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24. It's not bad at all.
I've eaten it on a few occasions, it's like anything else, there are some restaurants that prepare it well, some that prepare it poorly.

The poster who mentioned the bears and their gall-bladders is absolutely right, there are some horrible things done to those poor animals. Kept alive (barely) in cages so they can be used as "medicine" for the rich. Truly horrible.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:20 PM
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14. So these 2 Lakota go to visit NYC....
...And they see a wiener wagon w/a sign that says "Giant Hot Dogs". So one says to the other "Hau, Kola, let's go get us some of that giant dog"

so they get their hot dogs and the first one looks inside the bun and snaps it shut real quick and looks at the other and says "Uh, what part of the dog did YOU get, Brother?"
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:29 PM
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16. OMG
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:57 PM
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19. was it a Taco Bell?
You ever actually looked closely at the "meat" in one of their tacos?

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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:59 AM
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30. Taco Bell got in trouble for serving kangaroo meat in the tacos
when I lived on Guam.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:10 AM
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20. This is unbearable ............They deserve the Electric Chair!!!!
Dogs are much higher souls than humans......

at least in this millenium!!!!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:11 AM
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21. Weren't dogs originally domesticated as cattle?
Like, 100,000 years ago?
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:03 AM
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26. Dogs not actually domesticated.
It is thought that dogs and humans actually sort of became codependent on each other. Dogs hung around human settlements stealing food, people eventually started liking the dogs, they became friends and hunting companions. They are, sort of, partners. Some folks would never consider eating their partners. Other folks, I guess, never did consider them partners and eat them.

I, for one, could never eat an animal that could "love" me and which I could love back. I therefore confine my meat to fish, chicken, and turkey. If one of those creatures ever falls in love with me, it will limit my diet even further.

Horses are another story. I can't imagine people in poor countries eating their horses unless they are old or lame. Horses are transportation and pack animals in those places. In third world countries, I think if you are eating horse meat it is probably mostly from very old, tough animals. In Europe, it's a whole different story. Most of their horsemeat comes from US auctions and most were once pets. I don't think that much horse meat comes from animals actually raised for meat. Raising horses is more expensive than raising cattle (cattle have multiple stomachs to digest their food), because they require a higher quality diet. When you are eating horse meat, you most likely are eating an ex-pet, ex-show horse, or ex-racer.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:52 PM
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38. If one of these creatures did "fall in love" with you
I think it would limit more than your diet!

(I'm picturing a romatic valentine gift for a small fowl)
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:21 PM
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46. LOL
With candy and flowers?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:15 PM
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53. As an aquarium owner....
I can tell you that fish get to know their owners, and seem to be caring in their own low IQ sort of way :-) It's not love per se, like what a parrot or dog will give to you, but it's a definate recognition and fondness.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:37 PM
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54. Now, don't you try to
limit my diet any further. :-)
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 06:09 AM
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25. Roast Beast?
I don't think I'll look at Dr Seuss in the same way again; little Cindy Who didn't deserve it.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:17 AM
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27. Step right up, folks...today's delicacy...
...the true meaning of the phrase "hot dog":

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:25 AM
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28. "The requested document could not be found."
:(
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:29 AM
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29. Try This Link
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:06 AM
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31. A local Chinese restaurant had some dogs chained up behind their place....
....never went back there...another one had sewerage pouring out of a hole in the back wall running out onto the ground...I called DEQ about it but nothing was ever done guess because the owner of this particular one is gooood buddies with the mayor...my b/f had seen both these incidences surveying an adjacent lot. :evilfrown::puke:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:37 AM
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32. Dog eat dog
and we don't mean hot dogs.

Asians consider roast puppies a delicacy. I met a woman who worked on a crab boat in Alaska who had her dog stolen and eaten by some Japanese fisherman. They didn't understan her emotional response. In Vietnam guard dogs were killed for the same purpose.

One thing Orientals are reviled by is Westerners eating cheeze, which is rancid milk.

So much of this is just cultural variations.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:26 AM
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34. Some thoughts from the past:
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 11:29 AM by SOS
The butcher relenteth not at the bleating of the lamb; neither is the heart of the cruel moved with ditress. But the tears of the compassionate are sweeter than dew-drops, falling from roses on the bosom of spring.
Akhenaton (c.1375 BC)

When a man has pity on all living creatures then only is he noble.
Buddha (563? - 483? B.C.)

All cruelty springs from weakness.
Seneca (4 BC - AD 65)

We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.
Immanuel Kant (1724-1804)

Cruelty to animals is one of the distinguishing vices of low and base minds. Wherever it is found, it is a certain mark of ignorance and meanness; a mark which all the external advantages of wealth, splendour, and nobility, cannot obliterate.
William Jones (1726-1800)

The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man.
Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

If a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals.
Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910)

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages.
Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)

It is man's sympathy with all creatures that first makes him truly a man.
Dr Albert Schweitzer (1875-1965)

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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:30 AM
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35. And today's Grimmy LOL
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:09 PM
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37. If they eat primarily veg we usually eat them.
Here in the US it seems that the primary deciding factor is that the animal not consume flesh. We eat mostly stuff that is thought to live on primarily a veg diet. We don't usually eat cats or dogs if you stop to think about it... or any other meat eater for that matter.

Horses are about the only herbivore to get a pass because they are some kind of emotionally protected animal, I think.

However, Birds do practice cannibalism, and we eat chicken and turkey. Pigs will eat ANYTHING-including each other--as will goats. And fish will eat each other.

Sorry--just random musings as I looked at this thread.

Laura
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:11 PM
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39. So Vegans are, ah, hem "fair game"?
I don't likes eating peoples only fisheeez. :evilgrin:
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Cambist Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:22 PM
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40. Louis and Clark
Their favorite food on the way back from there expidition was dog. That is a written fact. It's all in how you look at things I guess.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 02:04 PM
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45. "Plants Are People Too! "

http://www.berrybooks.com/plants/plants.htm

Humans must recognize that plants are people too

The recent barrage of animal rights literature that has saturated our campus has opened my eyes to the nightmarish crimes that occur around the clock in American laboratories. While animal rights groups are certainly to be commended for their efforts, I now believe that a still greater tragedy has passed unnoticed by the vast majority of our citizens -- the wholesale abuse and slaughter of plants.

I have arrived at this conclusion only after a great deal of soul-searching. The traditional animal rights position, of course, states that using animals for human benefit is morally bankrupt. We are informed that justifying animal research by claiming that humans are inherently more valuable than animals is unreasonable; it is only our anthropocentric bias which leads us to conclude that animals are less important simply because they differ from human beings. While this is true, the same analysis applies quite readily to our botanical friends as well. Merely because plants are incapable of motion, emit no brain waves, and have no social structure or mechanism for communication, we arrogantly assume that we may ruthlessly exploit them for our own ends.

We have become so inured to the horrors of plant abuse that we fail to note even egregious violations of this truly righteous "biocentric" philosophy: the seasonal mass execution of billions of wheat and barley organisms, cut down in their prime; the deliberate breeding of new forms of plant life specifically for human consumption; and, most shocking of all, the deliberate torture and mutilation of plants such as grass merely to satisfy human vanity. Such horrors can no longer be ignored. We, possessing faculties which our brothers in the plant community may lack, must act to protect them from such savagery.

Daniel A. Gilbert '91->
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V109/N21/gilber.21o.html
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:56 PM
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49. hee, hee. You must be a "breatharian" unless your diet is
totally carnivorous and don't "murder" plants.

:bounce: :bounce:
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:03 PM
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50. Wow!
Every living creature must survive and the only way that is possible is by eating other living creatures, animal and vegetable. That's the way it is and the way it always has been and the way it always will be. Even though eating is necessary, it is no reason to torture animals (or plants, I guess). I remember reading, long ago, that Native Americans revered all life and specifically the animals and plants that fed them. The plants and animals that we raise to eat are all much more plentiful on this planet than they would be if we did not eat them, thus insuring their survival, so it is not all bad for them. But, I certainly see no reason that they cannot be treated humanely before they serve us, or, more accurately, we serve them.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:29 PM
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42. GD B*stards!
They give the Culinary Industry bad names and a bad reputation.

JERKS!
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:57 PM
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44. The Health Department closed a restaurant here that sold rabbit;
there was a hare on every plate.

Sorry...
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:43 PM
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48. come on guys, protein is protein, and chicken is.... well you can make
just about anything taste like chicken.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:05 PM
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51. This was in Edmonton? Can't read the story on my browser.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:06 PM
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52. This story has been going on for days
The owner of the restaurant was behind on his rent and buggered off taking most of the restaurant fixtures with him. The land-owner posted security guards (a good case of locking the barn door after the horse has bolted) and the guards found it (what were guards doing rummaging around in freezers? - I've done guarding and you stay out of there).

He may have left the carcasses behind after trying to sell them to Edmonton's vibrant Asian community, or to "poison the well" of Chinese restaurants to get people back for losing his own (how did he manage that? - the restaurant was popular).
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:35 PM
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55. He better post GD security guards
The piece of shit should be put behind bars. If the asian community has a taste for DOG OR CAT then let them go home and eat it.

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57. The big deal was that the meat was uninspected.
""The issue that I'm dealing with is that it's uninspected meat from an unapproved source," Reive said."

Dirty restaurant owner should serve time for endangering their patrons.
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