BREAKING NEWS: CNN Four Foreign Terrorists died.

[Lochloosa]

BREAKING NEWS The Associated Press reports at least four foreign terrorists died in Friday's U.S. missile strike in Pakistani village, provincial government says.

http://www.cnn.com/

No story yet.

[Greeby]

1. Vietnam logic

"Anyone who runs is a terrorist. Anyone who stand still, is a well-disciplined terrorist" :puke:

[superconnected]

61. yep, even the 4 year olds, when it happens.

[saigon68]

68. Where pray tell is the EVIDENCE?

THIS AIN'T EVIDENCE

The knowledgeable source -- who declined to be identified more specifically -- on Tuesday was not clear how many foreigners were killed by the airstrike, but said, "certainly some of them were of Egyptian origin," and had direct ties with al-Zawahiri.

AFTER THE "BOMB" SHREDDED PEOPLE TO PULP---- ITS DOUBTFUL THEY HAD ANYTHING BUT MUSH TO VIEW

[leftchick]

2. foreign to whom?

:shrug:

[HereSince1628]

3. Oh good, that justifies killing at least 13 innocent people.

'Such is the nature of collateral damage, you know we are at war:' Senator McPain.

:sarcasm:

[leftchick]

5. that is exactly what all of the so called "terror" experts have said

I heard it last night on ABC and this morning on NBC. :puke:

[HereSince1628]

9. It's also the same idea McCain put forward.

There is apparently no unacceptable level collateral damage.

[atreides1]

17. It's Simple

The ends justify the means, this was I believe Hitler's concept, as well as the belief of all of history's dictators, and those with imperial dreams.

So this administration has so far justified the Japanese's pre-emptive attack on the US, and it is now lending an evil credibility to the beliefs of all of history's dictators. And the Republican party and it's members seem to be along for the ride.

[HereSince1628]

27. But don't let them say 13 dead innocents is a means, it's an end.

I appreciate what you are saying, but, dead civilians is an outcome of their action, not the means.

[atreides1]

30. But they have said it

And no one has called them on their statements. Dead civilians have been the outcome of their actions since the first bomb was dropped on Baghdad, and they still defend their actions.

It is their means to their ends. They truly believe that killing innocent women and children is justified as long as they get the bad guys.

I wonder what Joe Republican would do if the Russians bombed a town in Ohio because their intelligence received information that Chechen leaders were having a meeting? Would McCain be saying the same tripe if it were Americans who were killed so that the Russians could protect their people!!

I doubt it.

As I stated this is their means to an end that they believe is right, at least for them.

[grahamhgreen]

52. Excellent point

[Julius Civitatus]

55. You can smell PROPAGANDA like a cheap cologne

[mom cat]

28. Exactly right,,,,The massive air war on a country in ruins is

abominable.

[Turbineguy]

35. Would not those people be

Zawahiri's in-laws?

[rooboy]

4. If that is really their story, it's journalism at its worst.

Who the fuck are CNN to say who is and who isn't a terrorist? Unless it is proven in court (or perhaps they died in the act of attacking someone), the most they are is "alleged" terrorists.

[rodeodance]

6. and the # 2 guy?

[MiniMe]

7. We bombed Pakistan. We are not at war with Pakistan.

They are our closest allies in the mideast right now. At least they were. If we had information that Osama was in Canada, would we bomb them too?

[LionInWinter]

8. This gang would love to bomb Canada ...

They have oil up there, you know.

[HereSince1628]

10. Don't tempt fate....they have plans, they really do have plans

[0rganism]

59. We bombed Cambodia. We were not at war with Cambodia.

Same song, second verse.

[EuroObserver]

11. Asia Times today has this ("intelligence sources")

Pakistan's misplaced ire over US misfire
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Pakistan's Foreign Ministry summoned the US ambassador for an explanation and Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the act was "highly condemnable".

But the fact is that Pakistan knew in advance of the US raid in Pakistan on Friday aimed at killing al-Qaeda's No 2, Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, who was believed to be in the area. Instead, 18 civilians were killed near the village of Damadola in the Bajur tribal area on the Afghan border in a raid by a US Predator drone.

Media reports claim that Zawahiri only escaped death because he did not keep a dinner date in the area that was targeted. Yet intelligence contacts tell Asia Times Online that the target was not specifically Zawahiri - it could equally have been Taliban leader Mullah Omar or Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, leader of the Hizb-i-Islami Afghanistan and a key figure in the Afghan resistance.

A Western intelligence source told Asia Times Online that the US had heard of a "big meeting" in Bajur of Taliban, Pakistani and al-Qaeda leaders. "They flew three Predator drones over the area for a few days and a few hours before the strike, and that seems to be what tipped Zawahiri off," the source said.

/more...

Hard to say how much is truth, how much spin-control, of course...

[rocktivity]

63. Why did it have to be an air strike?

If they suspected that a group of suspects were going to be at a certain house, why not have troops (theirs or ours) surround it? As for those four foreign terrorists, how do they know they're foreign, and how do they know we're terrorists?

:shrug:
rocknation

[coyote]

12. Oh these guys will rise from the dead within 24 hours....

it happens all the time when the US goes after terrorists.

[leesa]

13. Right. Well, they've called most Democrats and half of Americans

terrorists too. WTF does THIS mean?

[Lochloosa]

14. Story is now up. Link

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01/17/pakistan.strike.ap/index.html

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) -- At least four foreign terrorists died in the U.S. missile strike that was reportedly aimed at al-Qaeda's No. 2 man, provincial government said Tuesday.

A statement, issued by the administration of Pakistan's tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, also said that between 10 and 12 foreign extremists had been invited to the dinner at the village hit in Friday's attack.

"Four or five foreign terrorists have been killed in this missile attack whose dead bodies have been taken away by their companions to hide the real reason of the attack," said the statement, citing the chief official in the Bajur region where the targeted village of Damadola is located.

"It is regrettable that 18 local people lost their lives in the attack, but this fact also cannot be denied, that 10-12 foreign extremists had been invited on a dinner," it said.

[tocqueville]

20. this is complete BS

because if it is true, the amateurish "foreign fighter's" day would be already counted. I've never heard of an underground resistance or - terrorist organisation - having meetings in uncontrolled territory where 12 leaders or important figures are present. At least since air strikes have been invented.

[stray cat]

25. what place would be more controlled?

[DemonFighterLives]

21. Now they are extremists

That doesn't bode well for many here.
:nuke:

[punpirate]

34. Okay, if these...

... Talibani types were all going to a dinner, wouldn't they all be in the same place? If the intelligence were good enough that it was known they were invited, wouldn't intelligence also know who invited them to dinner, and also know where that individual's house was?

Then why were at least three houses bombed which were several hundred yards apart? And why did the attack occur at 3 a.m., presumably several hours after dinner, after they had presumably scattered to other places--or had left the area entirely? Why did the earlier statements say that the attacks occurred "perhaps before the arrival" of al-Zawahiri, if the object was to kill him at this dinner?

Why the imprecision in numbers? Four or five dead. Ten or twelve attending. They've had four days to interview the locals, but they don't know how many, or the names of attendees, or of those who were killed and removed.

I find that more than a little odd.

[Igel]

58. One has to understand how traditional the areas are.

The women are not to leave the house unless they're properly covered. However, male relatives and other women can see them uncovered. One frequently visits one's relatives for more practice concerns, too: they cooperate in food prep and child care, among other things.

This means if communities were set up Western-style, that the women would be constantly putting on burqas or whatever they're called in the area just to go outside, walk a hundred yards, and visit their kin, or to borrow a cup of flour, or pick up your kids after you've gone to market. This gets ridiculous if you're visiting your relatives a dozen times a day.

The response is to build in compounds, when you can: you have a wall, which the women consider 'indoors' for covering purposes. The extended family lives within a compound. But the various nuclear families have their own houses. They'd have celebrated Eid together, then gone to their respective abodes. How big the 'compound' is varies greatly. It might be a small shared backyard or very, very large apartment. It might be a large enclosure with its own well and goatshed. Or even larger.

Where people in such a compound decide to have the feast may change at the last minute, or it may be outside (but not this time of year, to be sure). Where the guest is billeted may also be decided at the last minute.

Some of the things that seem suspicious might be suspicious or might not be suspicious at all. If they bombed three houses that formed a compound, I'd find that normal. If they bombed three distinct houses separated by some distance in the village, I'd find that suspicious. But editors wouldn't include the word 'compound' unless they needed too--I think it sounds too militaristic, or needs and explanation, but that's the word usually used in the English-language Pakistani press, and I can find none better.

[Catrina]

50. That makes no sense!! If they regret that '18 local people lost their live

', wouldn't there have to be 22 dead to include the four 'foreign terrorists'?

And do they really think that the Pakistani people will accept this as a justification for killing innocent children and others who were not terrorists?

I think the Rendon Group is working overtime in the ME this week.


Oh, wait, I just reread the article. 'Four or five foreign terrorists' were spirited away by their buddies to hide the real reason for the attack? This is laughable. No evidence, no bodies, just another conspiracy theory! Days after the event! And they call US conspiracy theorist? Why did it take so long to come up with this story?

[DemonFighterLives]

15. Whack a Mole

Hit one and 3 more pop up.
I imagine the neocon plan is to kill them all, thereby assuring that they will get a few bad ones.
:argh:

[Turbineguy]

37. Whack a mole?

they should whack the mole who keeps tipping Al Qeada off.

[DemonFighterLives]

39. What the hell does that mean?

The drone should be whacked?
:shrug:

[Turbineguy]

41. No

it just means that when you have the talent and equipment that the US has to bring to bear on these guys, it seems strange that they always manage to stay one step ahead.

[0007]

16. Goody goody, that means junior is right on top of things,

don't ya feel safer now?

[neverevergivein]

18. If they weren't terrorists, they were "potential" terrorists

according to the RWers

[jazzjunkysue]

66. It was a terrorist. It was a militant. A fighter. An egyptian.

For crying out loud, what the hell are you trying to report?

"Egyptians killed in strike"
""significant" al Qaeda figures were killed in the attack,"
""certainly some of them were of Egyptian origin," and had direct ties with al-Zawahiri."
""four or five" foreign fighters were killed in the strike."
"10 to 12 foreign militants to the dinner"

They've obviously been told to report that we got someone who matters, but they won't say who. So, since the reporters are making it up, they're hedging their bets and calling these victims every bad word they can come up with.

It used to take B*** a couple of weeks to change the name from WMD, to Al Qaide in Iraq, to "Liberate Iraqi's" to "Freedom Is On The march..."

Now, they just morph it right in the same article. It's like multi-tasking. Multi-wilting.

This is like Coalition of the Willing. Of the Accepting. Of the not arguing. Of the keeping quiet.....Of the bringing them home before they said they would...

[still_one]

19. what can be believed?

[brainshrub]

22. What about the five women and five children... were they terrorists to?

I think the death count is higher than what I wrote in the title of this comment.

The airstrike was not rational:

http://www.brainshrub.com/airstrike-pakistan-illogical

[killbotfactory]

23. Yeah, right

CYA at work.

[pinniped]

24. Think I'll invite 10 or 12 of my foreign extremist buddies over for...

dinner.

--10 and 12 foreign extremists--

--The provincial government did not identify who the foreigners were or who was the target of the missile strike.--

That's because no one fucking knows who they were, only that they're dead.

--"Four or five foreign terrorists have been killed in this missile attack whose dead bodies have been taken away by their companions to hide the real reason of the attack," the statement said, citing the chief official in the Bajur region where Damadola is located.--

The real reason for the attack?

WTF does that mean?

Bodies allegedly being taken away means they were bad ass terrorists?

This has got to be the stupidest piece of shit story I'll see all week.

Fucking puke propaganda.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

26. Sure they did

Right.

Sure.

What's next? The yellow alert? Orange? Red?

Then the SARS alert?

Bottled water, duct tape, and hide under the bed?

Lying bastards. They have absolutely no proof of this. The bodies are gone, buried according to Islamic law, and you can't believe that anyone would permit exhumation for American testing?

Liars.

[MrPrax]

29. Pure Propaganda...

If all these terrorists were actually suppose to be there, then this part of the story would have been in the initial news cycle.

The only part of this 'story' that is new is to re-write the 'moral' reasons why the US government bombed a religious festival.

The fact of the matter is that the world doesn't read WaPo editorials to get the proper thinking towards this racist fascist act.

[Igel]

56. It was.

But the source was anonymous, claiming he wasn't authorized to brief the press; WaPo and a few other papers ran the story the day the Zawahiri-might-have-been-killed story became the Zawahiri-wasn't-killed story.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. Were they part of a wedding party?

[Oversea Visitor]

32. Truly amazing

Using a pile driver to hammer a nail.
Defies logic.
Why dont just go in and arrest them.

US is truly a country gone berserk.

[deminks]

33. Poppy is in Pakistan right now doing clean up

and suddenly we have a story about guess who came to dinner. Amazing coinkydink? No. Catapulting the propaganda.

[LeftHander]

36. Terrorists aged 3-12 were killed as they slept...nt

[Sydnie]

38. They held themselves a sting

They think the #2 guy is like those guys with outstanding warrants that they mail a postcard to and tell them that they won this great prize, or they found some money that belongs to them. All they have to do is show up at a convention center to claim it. Then they bust them.

They think these "terrorists" are no smarter than a "common criminal". Wonder where they sent the invitations?

Either they think the terrorists are stupid or they think we are. (Yes, that was a rhetorical question.)

[theHandpuppet]

40. And the proof of this is what?

What a joke. I'm just surprised at how quickly the MSM is falling all over themselves in the rush to report this as fact. I guess the fact that the Pakistani people got pissed off at the death of civilians and took the streets is the only difference here. We are killing civilians every day and I've never seen them (the MSM) give a damn before now.

[daleo]

42. Yeah, right.

I guess they checked their terrorist DNA bank.:sarcasm:

On edit - Sure, they don't have any bodies, but that's no problem for these liars.

[zann725]

43. Not being cynical, but is this "verifiable," or is "catching the big guys

plan yet again an unprovable distraction. How many times now have they killed Zarqarwi (pardon speeling)?

And now they've killed SOOOO many "big bad guys?!" Imagine how that'll boost Shrubco's recently plummeting Zogby poll numbers! Wow, what a coincidence.

[rodeodance]

44. AP: 4 terrorists 'invited to dinner' died in Pakistan strike

(front page headline on cnn website).

http://www.cnn.com/
AP: 4 terrorists 'invited to dinner' died in Pakistan strike

[rodeodance]

45. foreign terrorists"--via provincial gov report.

.....At least four foreign terrorists died in the U.S. airstrike purportedly aimed at al-Qaeda's No. 2 man, The Associated Press reports the provincial government said today.

[liberal N proud]

46. So this is the explanation to try and quell the uprising of the Pakistani

Tell them is was a planned dinner and we thought No 2 would show but we got some bad guys anyway.

BS

[warrens]

47. Yeah, right

Just like that wedding out in the Iraqi desert was foreign terraists sneaking over the border.

[Charlie Brown]

48. that turns the civilians dead into mere statistics

If we take out four bad guys for every twenty innocents, we'll annhilate the entire world within a generation.

[Vidar]

49. How about a few domestic terrorists--the real ones.

[xchrom]

51. that'll show those civilians for hanging out with terrorists.

:eyes:

[MsAnthropy]

53. Oh good, we got bin Laden's #2 man four more times!

[951-Riverside]

54. Sorry CNN,Faux,MSNBC That bullshit doesnt fly with me

I guess "Terrorist" is the new term for "Sand Nigger" because it seems like every arab family they kill the American goverment calls them terrorists.

[Igel]

57. Not Arab.

Probably Pashtun. It's probable some of the foreigners that were claimed to be there were Arabs, but it's not a claim I'd push too far; it's frequently considered prestigious in the area to wed your daughters to jihadi fighters, esp. by the pious.

[The_Casual_Observer]

60. I'll bet that no "terrorists" were killed. I'll bet this is bullshit

I mean, what else could they claim at this point?

[superconnected]

62. I'll guess another wedding party got shot up.

Hope the "terrorists" don't include pre-school aged children again.

[HuffleClaw]

64. suuuuuuuuuuure

complete crap. a belated attempt to justify their criminal act.

[lebkuchen]

65. Isn't Pakistan supposed to be a US ally?

[Dr Fate]

67. And I bet they had all the WMDs on 'em too!!! n/t

n/t