ABC: U.S. Strike Killed Al Qaeda Bomb Maker (also trained 'Shoe Bomber'..)

[sabra]

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1517986

U.S. Strike Killed Al Qaeda Bomb Maker
Terror Big Also Trained 'Shoe Bomber,' Moussaoui


Jan. 18, 2006 — ABC News has learned that al Qaeda's master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed in last week's U.S. missile attack in eastern Pakistan.

Midhat Mursi, 52, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri, was identified by Pakistani authorities as one of three known al Qaeda leaders present at an apparent terror summit conference in the village of Damadola.

The United States had posted a $5 million reward for Mursi's capture. He is described by U.S. authorities as the man who ran al Qaeda's infamous Derunta training camp in Afghanistan, where he used dogs and other animals as subjects of experiments with poison and chemicals.

"This is extraordinarily important," said former FBI agent Jack Cloonan, an ABC News consultant, who was the senior agent on the FBI's al Qaeda squad. "He's the man who trained the shoe bomber, Richard Reid and Zacharias Mousssaoui, as well as hundreds of others."


This reward poster released by the U.S. government's Rewards for Justice program, shows Egyptian chemist Midhat Mursi, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri. The U.S. government has posted a $5 million reward this year for the capture of the alleged al Qaeda bomb maker. (Rewards for Justice Program)

[northzax]

1. does that mean the pilot gets the cash?

and if this is the guy who trained the Shoe Bomber, then is he that much of a threat? Reid, as I recall, couldn't light a match.

[underpants]

3. (scratches chin) how successful was Mousaoui again?

Luckily not at all..and I do mean luckily.

[northzax]

11. well, he wouldn't honestly have increased the damage

since the planes he was supposed to be on were successful in their mission, I believe. I'm not saying that trying to blow up a plane isn't serious or evil, it certainly is, simply that if the training this guy was dishing out is represented by the (thankfully) incompetance of Richard Reid, then he's not much of a mastermind. I mean really, could they not swing the cost of a Bic or Zippo?

anyone who plans something like this, frankly, needs killing, but let's not celebrate overly the removal of someone who's not very good at what they do, apparently. If he built the Khobar Towers bombs, or the one that hit the Cole, then good riddance to bad rubbish, it just seems to me that Al Quaeda has a lot of not very skilled lieutenants for such a lethal organization.

[underpants]

19. True about the Lt.s part

having read the 9/11 Commission report it seems that it doesn't take much of either god given intellect or worldly experience to pull something like that off. In fact the 9/11 assholes were pretty much just picked blindly.

[CityDem]

25. No pilot involved

Rocket was fired by a Predator drone operated by some air force desk jockey using a joy stick. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[cantstandbush]

75. But, but, but the UN has said no evidence of any Al-Qaeda killled

in bombing. WTF? What is the real story?

And notice this ABC story says the man was known to be "present" at the meeting but we don't even know for sure if the bomb really hit the place where the "meeting" was taking place. All we really know is that 18 people including women and children were killed and the relatives have said NO Al-qaeda were present.

[Caution]

2. I don't generally revel in the deaths of people but an actual success

in the bullshit war on terror is something to be happy about. If only someone competent were running this country maybe a few more of these bastards would have been caught/killed.

[nautibits]

31. how can you be happy

when children were killed in the attack? We have no bizness launching attacks in Pakistan or Afhghanistan.

[truthInCO]

43. Shit happens. Blame them for putting children at risk. n/t

[manic expression]

48. Come again?

A KID dying is "Shit" to you? I do believe you need to look in the mirror.

AN INNOCENT LIFE IS NOT "SHIT". We murdered those children for no real reason, all the while completely throwing respect of borders to the wind. That does not just "happen", it is wrong.

I think we put them at A BIT MORE F*CKING RISK by shooting a missile into a place where children were. Furthermore, it is the responsibility of the attacker to make sure nothing of this sort happens.

Remind me again, who is the terrorist here?

Seriously, what you said was just despicable, and then some.

[truthInCO]

61. That's fine.

Yes it's despicable, war is hell. I'd prefer they wear a uniform and fight fairly.

They aren't.

Respect of borders? Civilian collateral? Responsibility of attacker?

It's like you just heard about war and are trying to figure out what it is, Che.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, or the few. These terrorists will kill no more civilians, they will put no additional children at risk, they will not spread knowledge of poisons and bomb-making manuals, etc.

Of course the death of a child or an innocent is a tragedy. It should be the responsibility of your "minute men" or "freedom fighters", "insurgents" or "rebels" to not put their people at risk.

It's as clear as day that good came of this. You should light a candle to honor your "Shahid".

[manic expression]

63. No, it's right

Yeah, "war is hell", even though no child had to die. "War is hell", even though this was a despicable and unreasonable act. That is no excuse, and such an argument has no meaning on what actually happened. Any sadist or war criminal can whip out that kind of incorrect view, but it does nothing to change wrong from wrong.

I "just" heard about war? Are you serious? Have you "just" heard of human rights? Have you "just" heard of the Geneva Conventions? Have you "just" heard of decent behavior? I think you've heard of them, but you ignore them.

"These terrorists will kill no more civilians..."

I'm pretty sure the US killed quite a few civilians, and those terrorists will continue to kill innocents. Oh, you mean THOSE people? I guess their lives don't count in your book, do they? The fact is that our behavior here is no better than any terrorist attack. Our actions are no more justified than any terrorist attack.

By the way, do you really buy what the Pentagon is saying? If so, you wanna buy a bridge? The assumption you are using is not only suspect, but it is meaningless EVEN IF true.

The death of a child is not JUST a tragedy, it is a MURDER. This was not bound to happen. Furthermore, it was not the targeted that put the children in danger, it was the group that was the attacker. Your logic is the equivalent of thinking people who get mugged deserve it for walking down the street.

Good? I fail to see how slaughtered children equals "good". Only the most delusional would say that this has any good. On the contrary, it is patently unjustified, and the results are disgusting and wrong in every way. Go ahead, use your mistaken justification for killing children, but know that it is hollow and worthless.

You should light a candle for the murdered children. Maybe then you'll see some truth.

In the meantime, I'll support people who actually fought and are fighting for justice and equality (instead of those who murder kids). Nice try with the Che-bashing, but if you knew anything about what he fought for, you might have some insight on the topic (you don't have any).

[truthInCO]

65. Eyes off the ball

We disagree. Try to cope with it better.

You won't admit that these animals use civilians, women and children as human shields. That's fine, your pathology is well understood.

Che bashing? Unnecessary. Simply pointing out your adoration is enough.

[manic expression]

66. Cope with it?

I'm sorry, but how should I cope with such callousness and ignorance?

So now any civilian killed was obviously a human shield, regardless of the individual's actual home, life and other frivolous facts. That is just wrong. They were living their lives, something we took away. That is disgusting and the epitome of injustice.

Even IF they were being used as human shields (an incorrect assessment), that is no excuse for their deaths. No one is responsible for the murder of those children aside from the ones who murdered them.

Another telling thing is that you refer to human beings as animals. First of all, it is the Pentagon, of all sources, that is telling us they were terrorists. THAT alone should make you skeptical. Secondly, no matter what a person does, they are not animals. Your mindset echoes colonialism.

Lastly, WHO here, exactly, has shown unreasonable and base behavior? I would say the ones who slaughtered children, but that's just me. If you're OK with killing kids, I'm sorry for you, I guess we just "disgree"...:puke:

Yes, actually. I admire Che, and there is a good reason for it. He fought against injustice and for equality. Do you oppose such a cause?

Also, shall I make meaningless comments about your avatar in place of an actual argument?

[truthInCO]

67. Go for it

Ya the government is lying to us, we are targeting civilians, Che is a great hero, we shouldn't go after terrorists :tinfoilhat: You saw who was killed in the strike right? And ya, feel free to make fun of the air force logo.

You are on a whole different planet dude. I can't relate to your paranoia, conspiracy theories and gut-wrenching, myopic pacifism.

Good luck with spreading your message, you'll make a great Dhimmi.

[sniffa]

70. wow

:eyes:

[manic expression]

79. What?

You really are insane.

Oh, so the US government never lies? The US government is virtuous and true? :eyes: You cannot be serious. Our government has shown a GREAT amount of dishonesty in many ways. For you to take the PENTAGON's word as gospel is beyond ridiculous. Try looking at the truth instead of the delusions you are force-fed by those in power. When you blindly believe what your government tells you, you will find nothing but blindness. Seeing red, white and blue where there is only wrong is pitifully mistaken, and contributes and allows further wrongdoing.

We are targeting civilians. That much is documented and true (would you like a link?). Again, please get rid of your petty and direly mistaken misconceptions that America is not guilty of terrible crimes and the perpetrator of disgusting actions, because it is. The US has been involved in injustice after injustice, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll see reality. Even IF we didn't directly target civilians here, we did murder civilians. If you did that in society, you'd get manslaughter at least, but most likely you'd get charged and convicted of murder.

We should "go after" terrorists. That includes NOT driving people to fight us because of our own base actions. More importantly, murdering civilians puts the wrong squarely in our lap and no one else's. We ourselves are the terrorists for so despicably covering our hands with the blood of children. That cannot be justified. To think that murder can be rationalized for any meaningless reason is simply wrong, and you have aptly demonstrated that.

Che was a great person. He fought against injustice and for equality. Honestly, how can you dismiss this? How can you insult someone who has accomplished great things against oppression? Try getting some perspective, intelligence and compassion...then get back to me.

Actually, I won't talk about your avatar; only an immature person would do so.

I would like to wish you the worst of luck in supporting such injustice and murder. I, however, will continue to oppose those very ills.

Think of those murdered children next time you feel "proud" of your country.

[goondogger]

71. Not very wise

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, or the few."

Thank you Mister Spock.

A utilitarian approach to ethics has many flaws. But even within that framework your implicit argument--it is for a greater good to kill 'x' number of civilians to kill a terrorist--is sorely lacking. Aside from the arbitrary calculus of weighting the value of lives, you fail to consider that the greatest good would involve apprehending/neutralizing the terrorist while *not* killing innocents (as well as avoiding the subsequent backlash that will likely breed more terrorists than we killed).

Simply citing the necessity of war and claiming this is a good thing is the height of intellectual and moral laziness.

[leesa]

77. You actually believe this?? Funny!

[wookie294]

4. I doubt this info is true

I don't believe any "good" news coming from the US media or the Pentagon. It's 100 percent bullshit.

[The Magistrate]

7. It Is Difficult, Sir

To rely on the credibility of such reports....

"The War Office keeps three sets of figures: one to mislead the public, another to mislead the Government, and one to mislead itself."

[jpak]

18. Agreed

Aluminum tubes

Niger uranium

Mobile Bio-weapons labs

Pat Tillman

Jessica Lynch

global warming

medicare overhaul

social security

and more...

This administration will lie about anything and usually does.

I don't believe any of this.

[xxqqqzme]

36. I do not believe anything

coming from the lying rat bastards in DC. Any dead person can be blamed for whatever 'crime' they need 2 pump up.

It's the guy who trained the shoe bomber?

I'm the international president of compulsive liars anonymous - honest!

[malaise]

58. I'm with you on that

More bullspit.

[rodeodance]

38. With the propaganda coming from all sides, it is difficult to know the

thruth.

[reality based]

5. I had heard it was Zarqawi

on vacation after donating a kidney

[daleo]

6. So, they know this from the invisible bodies?

Or did they use their "curveball intelligence" to determine this.

[sabra]

8. they read it on the internet(s) ?

[CJCRANE]

9. They got the Terror Big !!!

"U.S. Strike Killed Al Qaeda Bomb Maker
Terror Big Also Trained 'Shoe Bomber,' Moussaoui"

[rocktivity]

10. We missed our target but killed four foreign terrorist plus Ried's teacher

Then bombing those 13 innocent civilians was worth it, then!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Lance_Boyle]

12. What's this?

They're not claiming to have killed yet another "number three man" in AQ?

THAT'S progress. :eyes:

[DELUSIONAL]

13. Whatever -- the photo looks like a composite of TV badmen

I need an independent credible source before I'll believe any of this fantasy propaganda.

They have lied so often that even if they were to say that the sky is blue -- I'd never believe them.

Cranky liberal

[htuttle]

15. The photo seems to bear a resemblance to Mister T

Hmm....have you ever seen them together at the same time? Hmmm? Have you?

[daleo]

16. I pity da foo

Who messes with Bushco.

[gordianot]

14. To think someone actually printed this drivel as news.

How far we have fallen.

[HuffleClaw]

17. suuuuuuure

complete and utter crap, every word. funny, thats what now, their third excuse?

[endarkenment]

20. We are now in the new story of the day mode. nt.

[central scrutinizer]

21. Is this another #3 guy?

Al Qaeda has way too many #3 guys. They should try to trade some of them and move up in the draft - get some money and a #2 to be named later.

[Roland99]

27. Oh, heck no! He was the #1 bomb making trainer. He was even certified...

He had a MCT (Mujahedeen Certified Trainer) specializing in explosives.


;)

[daleo]

22. One can infer that the consequences of this are bad

Very bad, in Pakistan, just from the way they are catapulting the propaganda.

[anakie]

23. the louder they shout to justify this attack

the more callous and inhumane they appear. There is no justification in killing 18 or so civilians on the off chance that there may be some so called 'terrorists' there. But the civilians were only Pakistanis so they don't really count do they.

[Teaser]

24. Entire Story Made Up

no doubt at all.

[VegasWolf]

26. One upside re this bullshit, at least Bush will have to think twice

next time before killing little children along the Pakistani border.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[slackmaster]

28. Must not have been a very good trainer

The guy was trying to set off a charge of C4 with a match, no detonator.

:freak:

[mikeytherat]

29. His name was on a guest list, so you KNOW he was there and we got him

He was on the guest list! End of argument!:

"Pakistani authorities tell ABC News they have confirmation that Mursi was among those on the guest list for the late-night meeting. The authorities say al Qaeda's No. 2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was also expected to attend but apparently changed his mind."

Also, gratuitous animal-torture propaganda (it's all worth it to get a dog killer, you know?):

"The United States had posted a $5 million reward for Mursi's capture. He is described by U.S. authorities as the man who ran al Qaeda's infamous Derunta training camp in Afghanistan, where he used dogs and other animals as subjects of experiments with poison and chemicals."

mikey_the_rat

[pinniped]

56. What a monster!

Good thing no one in the civilized USA would ever think of using dogs, cats, monkeys, and other mammals for experiments.

--he used dogs and other animals as subjects of experiments with poison and chemicals."--

[leftchick]

59. "guest list", " employment applications"??

who knew Al-Qaeda was so efficient and public about their activities. And throwing them out on the internets like breadcrumbs for the feds to follow. Isn't that just fascinating how it all works out?

I sure feel better about slaughtering innocent families with babies and children now.

:(

[Rex]

30. Well then it is okay to bomb neutral countries and kill their children.

Killed al Qaeda's master bomb maker, shit that's good nuff for me! I bet the Brass wishes they used this lie when they killed that wedding party a few years ago. So will we get DNA verification by a third party nation or will....ehh....nm, why waste my breath.

[Briar]

32. What this says is that the US government

thinks Americans will think killing women and children justified if it claims it killed a couple of terrorists along with them.

I hope they are wrong about that. I really do.

[PatsFan2004]

41. Your comment reminded me of the scene in the movie Peacemaker

where the FED sniper has a shot at the terrorist carrying the backpack nuke. However, he hesitates when a child is partly in the line of sight and the terrorist gets away to setup the bomb and start the countdown timer.

What do you do when the choice is a few civilians at your hand or the whole city of New York at the terrorist hand? Not that I know the answer to that difficult question.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. Did they find his passport in the rubble. Like they did Atta's?

Although in this case it would actually be more credible.

[ColonelTom]

34. Boy, there's an accolade - "trained the shoe bomber"

"Lift that shoe! Flick! Flick! Flick!"

I feel safer already. :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

35. Gee, I didn't know we had DNA samples of these people

Do we collect DNA samples of every Al-Qaeda recruit?

This is more propaganda to somehow justify the bombing of a sovereign nation by the biggest terrorist state on this planet.

[KansDem]

37. He was killed in Pakistan? So tell us again why we're in Iraq?

We spend billions of dollars, killing over 100,000 Iraqis, in a 2 1/2 year-old "war on terror" with no results; we send one missile volley into Pakistan and kill an al Qaeda "master bomb maker." Anyone else see a disconnect here?

[stevedeshazer]

62. GUESS WHO VISITED PAKISTAN AND MUSHARRAF?

http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/18/stories/2006011803471600.htm

hint:

[Steve A Play]

39. Al Marsi? Didn't he throw babies out of their incubators to use them to

make his famous 'Abu' Khababs? Nothing as mouthwatering as a fresh, hot, Abu Khabab straight from the incubator!

Mmmmm Mmmmm Good! :)

[Miss Chybil]

40. So that justifies killing all those civilians. OK. I get it.

Not.

[sabra]

42. Update: Pakistan names 3 al Qaeda believed killed in strike

http://www.localnewsleader.com/elytimes/stories/news-00126976.html

Pakistan names 3 al Qaeda believed killed in strike


ISLAMABAD - Pakistani intelligence sources on Thursday identified three of four al Qaeda members believed to have been killed by a U.S. airstrike last week, though they have yet to recover the bodies.

One of the dead was said to be Abdul Rehman Al-Misri al Maghribi, a son-in-law of al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri.

Another was Midhat Murfi al Sayid Omer, an expert in explosives and poisons who carried a $5 million U.S. reward on his head.

The third man named was Abu Obaidah al Misri, al Qaeda‘s chief of operations in Afghanistan ‘s eastern Kunar province.

Considering the bodies are "missing", I ask how do they know this?

[daleo]

47. They don't have to know it, they just have to "believe" it.

"believed killed"
"believed to have been killed"
"One of the dead was said to be"

They just close their eyes and wish, I guess.

[anitar1]

54. Wonder how much money they got for that lie? n/t

[onager]

68. "They carry away their dead and wounded!"

Oh sorry, that was Gen. Westmoreland talking about the Viet Cong.

I was having a flashback. Just ignore me...

[alfredo]

44. ON ABC they cast a bit of doubt on the certainty of Mursi's

death. They are not completely sure.

[0rganism]

45. But he may have lost a limb or two, sources say

Reliable Pentagon sources, preferring to remain anonymous, said, "We know we hurt him bad, probably all the way to dead, maybe. He could also have lost an arm, a leg, or any number of internal organs, or possibly even scraped his knee on the rubble."

[alfredo]

46. Lost his car keys, and some tupperware he was to take to his wife.

[goforit]

49. There goes another witness that Bush IS Al Qaeda!!!

[nautibits]

50. cool. So now I wont have to take off my shoes at the airport anymore

now that they got the shoe bomb maker.

[Thor_MN]

51. CNN says that he "may have been in the vicinity" but no one

can actually say who was killed. So we maybe, kind of, could have, possibly killed him with our million dollar pinpoint precision ordinance. What part of "Beyond a reasonable doubt" do these assholes in the White House not get? One more time, Dumbya, if there is ANY doubt, you don't do it!!!

For all the noise he made about not doing it, it kinda sounds like putting a million dollar missle through a tent and hitting a camel in the ass to me. Just wish that all that happened was the loss of a camel...

[killbotfactory]

52. Yeah, right

"Coulda, maybe, might of" isn't going to quell the protests in Pakistan.

[anitar1]

53. Does anyone really believe that? I laughed when I heard it.

More spin for the BFEE. They are total liars and we all know it. Did they have DNA on these guys.? Did they scrape up the scorched bits of flesh they found and say, Oh , I recognize this piece! It was a bombmaker!. This is so absurd.Total MSM crap.















edited for spelling

[pinniped]

55. Come on, this is more bullshit propaganda.

The first few days they don't say shit about who gets killed, the official word is "no comment," then they say maybe four or five terra-dudes were killed, all who had connections to this al-Qaeda thing, but they were all taken away by their comrades to conceal the "real reason" for the raid, now, they're actual al-Qaeda members including some Chemical Ali #2 guy and some shoe-bomber wannabe.

Pakistanis were protesting and mad as hell they're being bombed by the criminals ruining this country, now, in a failed attempt to justify the mass killings, they claim among the dead were al-Qaeda dudes.

This is typical * cover-the-fuck-up procedure.

Bull-fucking-shit.
Bull-fucking-shit.

On second thought, I should give these inept fools more credit.

I will believe it when I see their official al-Qaeda application for employment.

[leftynyc]

57. If, in the next year or so

I don't hear that we killed this guy AGAIN, I MAY believe this story.

[Tight_rope]

69. My thoughts exactly...n/t

[Hyernel]

60. How about: U.S. Strike Kills Klingon Ambassador

They can make up anything they want, when they want to market a "success" to the skeptical public. The media has no way of confirming who was killed.

[goondogger]

72. DaHjaj'oH QaQ jaj DaQ Hegh [nt]

[Javaman]

64. You know, once upon a time exploding clown shoes were funny..

Not anymore.

[madmark]

73. These are the right kind of people to be killing (as oppose to iraqi

baathists) but the Bush Admin just has no more credibility with me; even if they actually do hit Al Quada targets, I really do not know if its true or not based only on Bushco accounts.

[Andrushka]

74. A "terror summit conference"?

Who was the keynote speaker, you think?

[leesa]

76. Right. More bullshit that stupid Republicans will swallow whole.

[Clara T]

78. "This is extraordinarily important,"