Feds want Google search records (everyone's searches for a whole week)

[Newsjock]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/13657303.htm

Feds want Google search records
BUSH LAWYERS ASK JUDGE TO MAKE GOOGLE HAND OVER DATA; GOOGLE PROMISES A FIGHT
By Howard Mintz
Mercury News

The Bush administration on Wednesday asked a federal judge to order Google Inc. to turn over a broad range of material from its closely guarded databases.

The move is part of a government effort to revive an Internet child protection law struck down two years ago by the U.S. Supreme Court. The law was meant to punish online pornography sites that make their content inaccessible to minors.

In court papers filed in U.S. District Court in San Jose, Justice Department lawyers revealed that Google has refused to comply with a subpoena issued last year for the records, which include a request for one million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from any one-week period.

The Mountain View-based search engine opposes releasing the information on a variety of grounds, saying it would violate the privacy rights of its users and reveal company trade secrets, according to court documents.

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[WestHoustonDem]

1. Fuck that! Fightem Google!

:wtf: :wtf:

[radfringe]

53. fed fishing expedition?

:mad: the bushies* won't turn over their info on abramoff, cheney's energy meetings, Plame outing etc. -- but they want to be able to sneak a peek at our info?

[Tight_rope]

96. I totally agree...."It's All About CONTROL"!...Fuck That...

[Name removed]

116. Deleted message

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[wordpix]

150. King George wants Google names but won't give up names of people doing

work of the exec. branch such as Cheney's energy policy meetings. Good point

[fishwax]

168. curious, innit?

:grr:

[LiviaOlivia]

2. I 'll make it easy for the Feds

Yesterday I Googled Dubya sucks cock and Rove likes to watch.

[mcscajun]

4. Ooooh, If Only....

...we could know in advance which week they were going to turn over to the Feds.

What juicy searches we could spread through the files... :)

[Auntie Bush]

35. That means bush is a sucker!

Does that make Rove a suckee?

[AndyTiedye]

43. I Google "Reichstag Fire" On a Regular Basis

I have been developing the "Reichstag Fire Index", which uses the number of recent google hits on the phrase "Reichstag Fire" to guage how many people "get it".

It was by googling for "Reichstag Fire" that I first found Democratic Underground.

[Lilith Velkor]

80. Interesting

I found this place by googling "coup d'etat United States"

[schrodingers_cat]

184. And I found this place by Googling 'Fascism'....(n/t)

[Marie26]

89. Hadn't heard of it, but oh my god.

You're exactly right, the parallels are just eerie.

[BrotherBuzz]

115. Andy, I've been focusing on Yellow Journalism and propaganda

Our paths will soon to converge. The evidence is overwhelming. But then again, they tell us we're just a bunch of whining, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, liberal-demokkkRAT - progressive-socialist-fascist - commie-nazi-islamofascists. No wonder more people don't "Get it":shrug:

[darkmaestro019]

172. exactly

Labeling and demonizing--it allows people to go "Oh, that's a conspiracy theory," the minute you try to tell them anything that clashes substantially with Faux and The One Fking Newspaper With Many Faces.

It's liberal or hippie or Communist or anti-Christian or unpatriotic, whatever word will allow them to cover their ears and go la-la-la the fastest.

[roguevalley]

49. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

"Yesterday I Googled Dubya sucks cock and Rove likes to watch."

May I say again: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! :rofl:

[savemefromdumbya]

87. I think they will be more interested in Spongebob!

Can you imagine all the Spongebob queries?

[scarface2004]

107. me too!

its my homepage now!

[serryjw]

157. How many hits did that get?

n/t

[PerceptionManagement]

3. Talk about a fishing expedition...

Cant they narrow it down a tad more? Further more, a search for information is a crime now?

[donco6]

79. I agree.

How can that possibly result in grounds for a warrant? Because someone searched for porn? I mean, out of a million random customers you're going to get 5 million hits on porn sites - what on earth can they do with that? Indict the country?

Brother.

[Tight_rope]

98. Looks like it! Damn, I think of all the things I google and run into ...

something totally different from what I'm looking for. Does this mean I might go to jail because I googled Carolina, looking for a french song, but instead get a french porno movie called Carolina.

[XemaSab]

143. Totally

There are many valid, legitimate reasons to look up info on child porn, nuclear missiles, communist insurrection, Brazilians, etc.

Just because you do a google search for something doesn't make you a criminal.

[lovuian]

5. Google knows its a privacy issue...

:bounce:

[Amonester]

6. WTF?

"The law was meant to punish online pornography sites that make their content inaccessible to minors."

Is it just me or something's wrong with that? Punish sites that don't allow minors to access their content? Why? (scratching-my-forehead-here)

[Newsjock]

7. likely an error

I'm guessing that's an error in the background reporting here.

[Amonester]

10. M'kay (I guess it goes with the rest of the reports these days).

War = Peace
Dictatorship = Democracy
Eavesdropping = Privacy
Reporters = Propagandists

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. It looks like they've corrected it now

It now reads "meant to punish online pornography sites that make their content accessible to minors".

[Ian David]

8. I only hit "Paris Hilton Naked" as a joke. I meant "Nuclear Bomb Plans"

[Art_from_Ark]

9. Too funny

:rofl:

[Zhade]

33. ..

:rofl:

[Mithras61]

139. Remember "The Nude Bomb"!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081249/

:crazy:

[UpInArms]

11. maybe Snotty Scotty should just tell us when and where Bush

met with Abramoff - and quit trying to figure out which search criteria we're using to figure it out on our own.

[truth2power]

12. Now it's about porn??

I thought it was about terrorists. I swear, I just can't keep up anymore.

[Bozita]

20. Yep, it was about national security yesterday, but 9/11 changed ...

... everything.

Didn't the Justice Dept recently go after a titty bar owner? Using the Patriot Act to do it?

These people are simply unfuckingbelievable1

[converted_democrat]

76. Yep, they went after Galardi-- I know I've spelled that wrong, but that's

the name.. Galardi.. They own strip clubs all over the country, primarily in Tampa, Miami, Las Vegas, and New York.

[wordpix]

151. we must keep our children safe and so * needs to search Google DB -WTF?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

13. Couldn't they just doctor them...

the way Dumbyass fixed up his National Guard records?

[Warren Stupidity]

68. They could but that would be a felony. nt.

[aquart]

14. So the Colin Farrell sex tapes are irrelevant?

[goforit]

15. GOOOOOOO GOOGLE!!!!

[GrumpyGreg]

16. They'll be bored to death if they ever check mine---I look up

lots of recipes.

Maybe they'll just get hungry and leave us alone.

[DBoon]

30. I'd worry

some of those recipes might be encoded terrorist plots.

[KDLarsen]

45. You got that right..

I mean, mixing 3 "eggs" with a pound of "sugar" and a pound of "cocoa" might produce some "fat" results.

[smb]

86. Go Chase Real Criminals

some of those recipes might be encoded terrorist plots

Of course, the feds can't be bothered to go after a real internet problem (spam) that could easily be used to spread coded terrorist cell messages (there's no way to do traffic analysis when one person out of a million recipients knows that there's a hidden message under the "h3rb@l v!@&r@" ad). I wonder which spammer paid who.

[GrumpyGreg]

110. When I tried cooking some of them they might as well have

been encoded terrorist plots.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Oh, shit! Someone sent me to one of those beam-me-up sites today!

I'm screwed! I'm screwed!

[Beam Me Up]

88. What's this? I do not know what you are talking about.

Personally, I have spam arrest.

B M U

[The Backlash Cometh]

95. You too can end up on the FBI Watchlist:

Just google H.A.A.R.P.

[yorkiemommie1]

18. well i usually google

'MISERABLE FAILURE'

[neuvocat]

51. Ah, someone was bound to beat me to it.

[Tight_rope]

99. Thanks for the link....Best link I've hit in a long time!

[Triana]

19. I see this as a ruse...this administration is and has been...

...attempting to gain total control of the internet in the U.S. as China does. This is just part of it and their wiley LIE to get Google's technology and other data they have no business snooping in.

Porn my ass. THAT is not what they're after. What they're after is CONTROL.

[Bushies gotta go]

22. I agree. there are way too many coincidental

events happening lately involving the Internet including Bell South, NSA tapping, the "Internet annoynace" law, etc. (I've lost count).

Not to mention that the Internets are shrubs worst enemy... knowledge is dangerous for the Bushies.

[Evergreen Emerald]

78. I agree Triana

The fundamental flaw in their plan of controlling the media was that they discounted the internet. It is the only place where the masses can find the truth. They have been attempting to remedy that flaw for a while.

We cannot allow them to control this media outlet. It is the only thing keeping staving off the attempt at fascism.

[yorkiemommie1]

113. yeah, i think they want to round people up

eventually ( you know those fake emails from the 'cia' and 'fbi' accusing people of 'visiting illegal sites'? ) well, that's where they REALLY want to go.

[ClayZ]

21. Google's Company Motto is "Do No Evil"

:kick:

[pro_blue_guy]

23. Ha!

Has anyone ever googled "failure" Maybe they should send that to Bush!

[nickyt]

24. I just Googled Google for a contact...best I could find was

[e-mail] and I told 'em not to let these criminals push them around...

[targetpractice]

25. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED (PLEASE READ)....

From the future...

http://blog.outer-court.com/googlerobot/

;-)

[Hissyspit]

28. Funny and creepy at the same time. n/t

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

38. 2 Damned GOOD! High Quality "VeriSciFi" -- Worth Reading :^)

<snip>
Under the Patriot Act IV, are you forced to share information crawled by Google Robots with agencies such as the CIA or NSA?

We are sorry, but at this moment we cannot comment on government relationships. We hope you understand. Note that as part of our company motto, "Don't be too evil," we take your privacy concerns very seriously.

©2030 Google - Home

VeriSciFi comes from the word verisimilitude -- a kind of rigorous accuracy in depicting a future time. It doesn't have to be a future we hope for -- an alternate 2030 VeriSciFi could see practically the same thing as the Google Bots, but instead King Bush Bots!

<snip>
Under the Regency Act of 2015, are you allowed to share information crawled by King Bush Bots with agencies such as the His Majesty's Horse and Buggery, Haliburton, or KFC??

We are so pleased to say that we are in fact encouraged to share as much data as we can pump out to any organization His Highness or Crown Prince Jeb alerts us has need! We hope you are as excited as we are. Note that as part of our company motto, "Evil Free -- So Says The King!!," we take your security concerns very seriously and will do everything we can to track you at all times.

©2030 Royal Google - Home

ewwwwwwwww!

[DrBlix]

155. Someone just sent me this, worth a try

http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

[cosmicdot]

171. EPIC 2014

"In the year 2014, The New York Times has gone offline. The Fourth
Estate's fortunes have waned. What happened to the news? And what is
EPIC?"

link to the short film
http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/

part of the transcript can be found here:
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/11/29/summary_of_the_world_googlezon.htm


http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
http://www.scroogle.org/scraper7.html
http://www.scroogle.org/

a DU post recently shared this tidbit about Yahoo:
http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm

YAHOO is tracking what you are doing and every site you visit. If
you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - be aware that Yahoo is now using
"Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to
cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you
visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo.

Yahoo's updated privacy statement at
http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy

About half-way down the page, in the section on 'cookies', you will
see a link that says WEB BEACONS.

Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the page that opens, find a
paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network."

In that section find a little "Click Here to Opt Out" link that will
let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Be careful! NOT to click on the
next button shown. It is an "Opt Back In" button that, if clicked,
will UNDO the opt-out. Just leave.

Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to
opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That
means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you
use.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Funny how they pick the largest, most widely-used Internet search engine.

Yes, this is the beginning of the government's attempt to wrest control of the Internet from the citizens of the U.S. and the citizens of the world.

I wonder what Alito's position is on this? :sarcasm:

[savemefromdumbya]

27. Bush is probably looking his WH photos with Abramoff

he's determined to search a million google records!

[NMMNG]

29. They're going to be awfully bored if they pull my searches.

Fascist mother effers.

[Goldfish]

31. Guess who works for Google?

Found out that Dan Senor is senior VP of global communications
and strategy, replacing Cindy McCaffrey. I don't know who she
is, but Senor is engaged to Campbell Brown, and was a former
assistant to Paul Bremer. Maybe someone here can put the pieces
together.

This is my first post on DU. I love it here!

[Zhade]

36. Welcome to DU!

:hi:
Good info!

[54anickel]

37. Welcome Goldfish - what took you so long to finally post?

I guess we all love it here - why else would we be sitting in front of our computers posting messages in the middle of the night? DU has become my extended circle of family, friends and neighbors...it's sort of hard to find people I can relate to in my "red" neck of the woods.

[ngGale]

52. A DU Welcome, Goldfish

very good info.:hi:

[Tight_rope]

100. Welcome to DU Goldfish and thanks for the Great Information!

[MADem]

102. Wow, that is CREEPY and disgusting!!!

He's probably already slid the records to them under the table, and they know what they want already....and Campbell Brown could do better--she must be dumber than she looks.

[Gronk Groks]

137. Welcome Goldfish...Just be aware that...

...The shrub now has you on its "enemies" list.
Of course that list is getting mighty long now...

I suppose since I Googled "Bush" & "Fascist" that I'm screwed...
...but since I've been on DU a while I'm definitely a "person of interest" anyway.

[rainbow4321]

140. He worked for Carlyle, also

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dan_Senor


Dan Senor was an advisor to Iraq Coalition Provisional Authority director Paul Bremer until the nominal transfer of sovereignty. He also acted as the civilian spokesman at CPA press conferences in Baghdad, partnering with US military spokesman Mark Kimmitt. In May 2005 Google, the internet information compiler, hired Senor as vice president of global communications and strategy.

In 1993 Senor did an internship at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful pro-Israel lobby organization which some regard as being affiliated to the Likud party. AIPAC's website quotes him as saying: "Whether I was learning the ins and outs of Washington with my fellow interns or attending briefings on Capitol Hill, my internship at AIPAC prepared me for my work in politics". His sister, Wendy Senor Singer, heads AIPAC's office in Jerusalem. His brother-in-law, Saul Singer, is the very right-wing opinion editor of the Jerusalem Post.

Senor is listed as a director on the website of USIBEX, the US-Israel Business Exchange. It describes him as a Senior Associate of the Carlyle Group. It is not clear from the website if this information is still current.

Senor worked for the Carlyle Group as a venture capitalist from 2001 to 2003. The Carlyle Group is a venture capital company specializing in defence and industry which has strong ties to the Bush family.

In 2005, it was announced that Senor would be joining Google in a top lobbying capacity. However, the appointment fell through. Google told the Washington Post that "we were a little bit early to confirm" the appointment but indicated that he may be employed to provide "strategic advice." )

[NYC]

165. Welcome, Goldfish.

Excellent first post! I had forgotten about Dan Senor going to Google. I'll try to see if I can dig up some information.

[jefferson_dem]

169. Welcome to DU, Goldfish!

:hi:

[TOhioLiberal]

32. Disturbing...

...feeling violated. I wanna kick {REDACTED} ass for this!

[NVMojo]

34. Another way to spy on and intrude on American lives! This is bullshit!

They could give a shit about kids. This is just pure freaking paranoia on their part to discover why Americans are losing their mojo for George W. Asshole Bush and pals!

I WANT MY FUCKING COUNTRY BACK!!!

[wookie294]

39. I often Google the words "Republican" and "Molesting"

Then I put the search results on a Republican pedophile website here....

http://www.armchairsubversive.com

The FBI should simply hang out in Republican circles if they want to catch child molesters.

[TexasLawyer]

40. Where there's smoke...

138,000 hits on Google for "republican molester". Uh oh, but then there's almost 100,000 for "democrat molester".

what could it means?

[niyad]

41. well, just by the wording "democrat molester" you KNOW it's freeps

types googling that.

[DuaneBidoux]

170. They might actually get some good hits if they (correctly) used the...

adjective where the adjective belongs and the nouns elsewhere.

[wookie294]

42. I've challenged the freeps to give me Dem pedophiles

Nobody has met the challenge. Sorry, but child molestation is more common among uptight people who are prudish and anti-sex, i.e., Republicans.

[Historic NY]

44. Man I'm going to have to spice up my googling............

mostly its crap about * but then I do some bizzare lookups for useless info.

[f-bush]

46. We live in a Nazi Nation

[rucky]

47. Fishing expidition.

boy will they be confused by my google records.

[libnnc]

48. Search *this* ass-hat Feds!

if I only had a web-cam to express my true displeasure...

fascist bastards!

[neuvocat]

50. Do a search on "miserable failure".

That'll teach them feds a thing or two, I tell ya.

[thecai]

54. Search Corruption in Bush family

for starters

[bdot]

55. I use Yahoo... but then I'm also not searching for that stuff.

[thecai]

56. Search Bush Fascism

Lots of search results there!

[Glidescube]

57. What if Google simply deletes it's data base?

So the Chief systems engineer says, "Oopps Silly me,I accidentally hit the darn-tootin delete everything in the database permently button! Im sooooo sorry. it wont happen again!"

But WAIT! There is a copy in the Cayman islands. All you have to do is get a court order from them and presto-chango, it's back! Good luck!

[rodeodance]

58. Stuff like this really scares me--if they gain access to ALL records. -I

really do not care who knows--it is the principle that worries me--fishing as it is called is dangerous.

[moondust]

185. Isn't the Fourth Amendment all about "fishing"?

[Peter Frank]

59. Assuredly kicked & recommended... n/t

[Peter Frank]

60. Assuredly kicked & recommended... n/t

[sattahipdeep]

61. When we're going to have another CIA/contra/crack hearing.

http://www.parascope.com/articles/cnews/981226.htm

[Crayson]

62. Only and Easy Solution to Greed for Information

OVERDOSE !!!

The Feds want all the records about everybodies Google searcher?

If that was to be implemented, within days you'd see massive bot-nets doing nothing else than search for "Bin-Laden" from every computer they infect.

Millions of suspects!!
Eat this!!

[highnooner]

63. Here's why you should already be concerned

The government indicated that other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release the information, but not Google.

[htuttle]

69. I'm sure that 'other unspecified search engine' is probably Microsoft/MSN

[hvn_nbr_2]

84. The article said Yahoo and MSN are #2 and#3 search engines.

I take that to mean that they both complied.

[Tight_rope]

104. That's it...as of "TODAY" no more using Yahoo as my search engine.

They can kiss my crispy ass.

[bklyncowgirl]

64. Good for Google

This is outrageous.

[Lochloosa]

66. Hey bush google this..."Bush +pedophile +Bohemian grove"

:mad:

[auburngrad82]

67. Let's Google "Bush + Gannon" as well

Liberal bumper stickers

[Clark2008]

70. Is Al Gore still a Google board member?

He was for a long time.

I'm sure, after Monday's speech, that he won't let this happen without a fight.

[leftchick]

71. so will all of the RW freaks, like my nephew, get a visit

after they repeatedly watch beheadings on the internets?

[samhsarah]

72. Go Google!!!!!

Good for you!:yourock:

[JPZenger]

73. Let's All Google "Worst President Ever" at the same time

Let's throw the NSA's super-mega-computers into a tizzy. During the State of the Union, have tens of millions of people google "Worst President Ever" at the same time.

[JPZenger]

92. Google's Results for "Worst President Ever"

http://images.google.com/images?q=%22worst+president+ever%22&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

[Marie26]

94. the google hackers have been busy

The official White House site also appears as the first result for this search.

[cantstandbush]

74. If Google complies with this "broad" request it should take an economic

I don't know how to protest this or how to make them feel it financially but there must be a way. Unless the data contains strictly "child porn" or "teen porn" or something similiar, i just can't buy this. All of our political Googling could be swept up in this and the next knock at you door could be the IRS or Secret Serive trying to quell dissent in the political arena.

[twaddler01]

75. hahahaha

that is just wrong *sigh*

[JPZenger]

77. Here's More Info from another source

http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/01/18/googles_privacy_fight_with_the_government.html

[MissMillie]

81. Which week?

We can always use a different search engine for a week.

[JPZenger]

82. Other Search Engines Already Gave In

The article says the other search engines already gave in, and provided the info. to the Feds. Google made the headline because they are refusing.

[JPZenger]

83. They Can See my searches, if I can see Rove's

I'll make a deal with the Feds. I'll allow all my google searches to be turned over to the Feds, if they let me see Karl Rove's.

[smb]

85. Do Your Own Homework

If the feds want to find out about porn on the net, they can look for it themselves.

(Admittedly, it can be more difficult than it would seem. I did a search for "bush" and most of what I found pertained to some dimwit in Washington DC....)

[NYC]

167. Thanks for the laugh, smb.

:hi:

[JPZenger]

90. ABC Just Picked Up the Story

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1521417

I believe this will be the Bush Administration's waterloo. They have gone too far, and affected too many people with this demand. No longer can they claim that their illegal privacy intrusions won't affect you if you are not part of Al Quada.

[MADem]

103. This may be the thing that gets the 18-28 year old demographic voting

If they turned out in the percentages that senior citizens do, they COULD change the world. Unfortunately, not enough of them show up at the polls on election day. They have good intentions, but poor follow-through.

[karlrschneider]

91. Google can trade my searches for Diebold's source code

;-)

[maseman]

93. That's great

I guess I'll be going to jail now. My wife e-mailed "child head-shots" yesterday. Our seven year old is going to be in a dinner theatre show for a few weeks. She wants to get him some headshots done for the newspaper and Playbill.

[gauguin57]

97. When I google "George W. Bush is a doo-doo head," I get a freeper post

When I google "George W. Bush is a dummy," I get lots of sites.

Unfortunately, when I google "George W. Bush is a fascist idiot" and "Impeach his chimp ass," I get no sites.

Yeah, George ... let us know what week you're asking for records. We'll give the NSA something to read, and HOW!

[Contrary1]

101. Speaking of Freepers...

I just waded over to FR to see what their take on this is. Overwhelmingly against
Google handing over the info. I could find only one post in favor of it.

I bet the Feds back down.

[Hardrada]

108. That's because they google all the S&M sites

and seek gay porn as well and wouldn't want their Bible Study groups to find out!

[smb]

109. LOL

Seriously, though, even the FReepers know that this is an embarassing fiasco for the Administration (and that it undercuts their "trust me, we only want to spy on the Bad Guys" arguments).

[cascadiance]

105. I still wonder if Google has sucumbed to government pressure in the past..

... and did it under the table. Many here have at times noticed mysterious lack or what appears to be some manipulation of search hits for certain sites, images, etc. with certain keywords.

One of these instances I noted in this thread a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=39220

As I noted earlier, I think that Google, the company itself, is one that doesn't want to be controlled by the right wing, but I'm guessing it gets daily pressure on many fronts that we don't even hear about to do so. Perhaps Google has internally policed themselves enough to rid themselves of some of these "holes" where some sets of employees allow the government to intrude on their business to the point that the government now is getting more formal and public in their efforts to try and use Google for their control agenda. We are seeing in this thread how the public won't tolerate this with even freeperdom rejecting it. Hoping that this is a sign that Google internally has completely put up its walls against this criminal adminstration and "just said NO" to them now.

Keep our one good means of gathering daily alternative news info unspoiled please! Thanks Google!

[Selteri]

106. Fuck those feds, they can't bring back a law that is struck down! NT

[Vinca]

111. I swear . . . I'm going to check the house for tiny cameras and

listening devices. Bushco is making me paranoid. I bet they know I've got dust bunnies under the bed the size of a cat.

[Catchawave]

112. Oh Great timing......

I did a search for "Al Jazeera" today :hide:

Also "George Clooney" :loveya: <----granny porn!

[Zookeeper]

164. My 11 year old just did a search for "Growing molds"

Now, he'll be investigated as a possible bio-terrorist! :crazy:

[Imagevision]

114. Bush/Rove want to control online activities - control news reporting

[villager]

117. Feds Seek Google Records in Porn Probe

Feds Seek Google Records in Porn Probe



SAN JOSE, Calif. - The Bush administration, seeking to revive an online pornography law struck down by the W.S. Supreme Court, has subpoenaed Google Inc. for details on what its users have been looking for through its popular search engine.

Google has refused to comply with the subpoena, issued last year, for a broad range of material from its databases, including a request for 1 million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from any one-week period, lawyers for the U.S. Justice Department said in papers filed Wednesday in federal court in San Jose.

Privacy advocates have been increasingly scrutinizing Google's practices as the company expands its offerings to include e-mail, driving directions, photo-sharing, instant messaging and Web journals. Although Google pledges to protect personal information, the company's privacy policy says it complies with legal and government requests. Google also has no stated guidelines on how long it keeps data, leading critics to warn that retention is potentially forever given cheap storage costs.

The government contends it needs the data to determine how often pornography shows up in online searches as part of an effort to revive an Internet child protection law that was struck down two years ago by the U.S. Supreme Court on free-speech grounds.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_hi_te/google_records

[gmoney]

118. Total Information Awareness anyone?

They can SAY they're looking for Pr0n, but who knows what they'll get into? Enough to make me become a luddite.

[villager]

120. you haven't been Googling the verboten "Democratic Underground,"

have you?

A cousin of a man under investigation knew someone who once mentioned the name of that site, according to our witneses, so we'll be needing to round you up...

[Hugin]

119. Say after me... "Fishing expedition!"

Just as in the domestic spying... It'll all be politically motivated.

[tmooses]

121. I accidentally typed in porn clubs when I meant corn cobs-

does that put me on a list?

[villager]

122. you're posting here and asking if you're already on a list?

Any other rhetorical questions you want to toss our way?

;-)

[tmooses]

123. Can't keep track of these lists-must be guilty of something.

n/t

[villager]

125. you're already guilty, yes. Allow us to find out on which charges

n/t

[tmooses]

132. I know that when I hit 1000 posts a red light in some office in

Washington will go on.

[villager]

134. did you toast the moment with Victory Gin?

n/t

[Lochloosa]

130. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




:scared:

[pinerow]

124. This country is going to hell in a hand basket...

:woohoo:

[DemInDistress]

126. if that scumbag bush wants porn records google should give

them just porn entries. Is it possible to weed out all porn requests made by horny Americans? I'd like to know
If I use google to research 911 then my google searches should be exempt,same if you google Italian entrees
a cheap suit. if bush wants porn then google should give them porn not fishing expeditions for what they may deem a threat like 911 researchers..

[mongo]

129. Are you really saying

That somehow the privacy of people who are searching for porn is of less value than the search records of people not searching for porn?

[DemInDistress]

144. I'm saying if government has the right to search your records

for porn,then let google give up the pornsters. I have no qualms about privacy rights regarding pornography
apparently the law allows for a search but I reject government looking at what site I view regarding 911 or
cooking,or medicines,or books I may want to read. That's what I'm saying. To ask for one million random google
searches in hopes of retrieving someone who like porn is out of bounds.
the privacy of porn people is of less value than 911 hunters although my bet is they'd harass me for digging
into 911 lies and deceptions. Personally I hope google rejects all requests for any material including making
a nuclear bomb,this used to be a free country.

[mongo]

156. You know what?

I'll be in fucking jail for the heinous crime of selling a movie long before you are locked up for some pathetic google search on 9/11.

I'm sure you're just one search away from fame and fortune and the downfall of the Bush empire.

Give me a break.

You don't give a damn about civil liberties - do you.

[DemInDistress]

158. wrong mongo...

apparently porn searches come under some looky look law that allows government to monitor porn websites. If that is true then sobeit. Its not a crime to view porn, its a crime to view kiddie porn. Is that what you watch? If so, I have no sympathy for you or any kiddie pornsters. I bitch and holler loudly about the loss of the 4th amendment here in NYC.My gripe is the 911 MURDERERS (Bush) want to fish without just cause to see what
might be in those one million random google searches. They claim they want to search for porn,I want them restricted to just that PORN.
If you google adult porn thats your business and not an offense. If you do kiddie porn then you'll have a problem and rightfully so. Don't you agree?
Mongo,if you come under attack for viewing adult porn PM me and I'll support your right to be a horny American
my concern is the Bush Crime Family wants to tag all anti-bush people like you and me.
No, I don't believe I'll find the magic site that indicts bush for 911 but I'll damn sure keep trying. I found several smoking guns that need addressing.
Mongo,I am not your enemy unless your a kiddie pornster...

Friends?

[mongo]

161. You didn't say CHILD porn in your post above

and yes, I and the entire industry is against child porn. There is even an industry funded organization which goes after on-line child porn.

There have been exactly 4 underage performers who have entered the legit adult industy over the last 30 years. All of them had fake government ID's.

As far as this "looky look" law -- I've not heard of it. But as long as the feds are conducting correct and legal investigations - I'm all for going after pedophiles.

No one will ever be arrested for viewing sexually explicit materials made by and for consenting adults. However, I can go to jail for selling the same movie in my store - under federal law and in 40 some odd states (including Ohio where I'm at)

It's really an odd position to be put in. They can't ban a movie (no prior restraint on free speech) -- but everything I sell has to be within "community values". So, I am the default arbitor of community values, and if I guess wrong, I go to jail. Not to mention I am supposed to know the contents of 1500+ movies in my back room.

Yeah -- :hug:

[DemInDistress]

183. Thanks mongo...

:toast:

What does your attorney say about your predicament? I didn't realize your in the business of selling movies
nonetheless,selling sex vids to horny Americans is not a crime.
Who does bush/cheney fear more, porn merchants or 911 truth seekers? Who could hurt bush/cheney more,porn merchants or 911 truth seekers?
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to answer?

Thanks again buddy BTW,I live in NYC and I miss those Twin Towers..:cry: :cry: :pals: :pals:

[depakid]

173. Umm, did you read the article?

This isn't about kiddie porn.

There's also a well established legal requirement called "the least intrusive means" that's meant to prevent fishing expeditions like this.

[belab13]

127. If Google capitulates on this one I will boycott

plenty of other solid search engines. Remember they gave into pressure from the Chinese government and agreed to censor content available to the Chinese people.

[Matariki]

128. children are the crowbar of fascism

the internet is a big threat the the power structure that bush is part of, therefore the internet is a danger to children and needs to be controlled. everyone wants to protect 'the children', right?

can you imagine how comprehensive the control would need to be to keep porn off the internet? think it can't happen?

[mongo]

131. Well said n/t

[MetaTrope]

174. How does the government determine that a child is conducting the search?

If they do know that a child is online, maybe the junta just wants to deflect their web surfing to a military recruitment site.

[belab13]

133. its all about rounding up the dissidents

I'll bet my eyeteeth that this has nothing to do with porn

[MrPrax]

135. Yahoo...go figure

"Privacy advocates have been increasingly scrutinizing Google's practices as the company expands its offerings to include e-mail, driving directions, photo-sharing, instant messaging and Web journals."

Those same privacy concerns are just as much of a concern with Yahoo as well, but I digress.

I will hazard a guess that 'fear' of Google's revenue model and it's affect on privacy is an entirely different debate involving real privacy advocates than the one being fudged here.

Yes, people who are concerned about Google's privacy practices, are not at all concerned, about having that same information handed over to the US federal government? :eyes:

[Fridays Child]

136. You know what's great about this?

Just watch all of the porno-addicted repukes (aka: family values defenders and fundie Christians) come running over to our side re: privacy, now.

[dmr]

138. "other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release"

The government indicated that other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release the information, but not Google.

What? Which ones? Or is the government lying?

I've been researching heavily on the net for years, using primarily Google, and I do not see porn sites showing up in my search results. There argument is the biggest crock of cow dung.

This isn't about porn. It's not about national security or terrorism, it's about control. It's a rodeo game to stop the flow of information. They hate the power the net gives us.

[benEzra]

163. I wonder if it would be possible to file a Freedom of Information Act

The government indicated that other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release the information, but not Google.

I wonder if it would be possible to file a Freedom of Information Act request to find out which search engines gave up their data?

[d_b]

141. Gimme them fuckin'

Bush + Impeachment + fahrenheit 9/11 1/2 hits you commie jews!

[Lorien]

142. Er, if they're looking for porn, then all they have to do is

Google it for themselves. Obviously, this isn't the real reason for this fish expedition.

Geez-I was doing an image search for 12 year old girls for some children's book illustrations last year, and almost all that popped up were incredibly disturbing images. I'm all for stopping child pornographers, but what the Fed is doing seems like the most inefficient way of finding them (if that were their true intention).

[wordpix]

152. all the feds have to do is set up a sting operation like they did on NBC

They caught a string of pedophiles coming right to a "child's" house.

[mongo]

162. They've done that with website operators too

Busted someone for a child porn website and left the site up so they can round up anyone coming to browse.

[Rex]

145. Bout time they showed their disdain for free enterprise.

Mussolini would have been pleased.

[nealmhughes]

146. Senate Commerce Comm. Meetings this afternoon on C-Span I

very boring. A lot of backslapping "Oh, look what we've busted with the FBI's assistance from Justice. I tired of it rapidly. However, reading this post makes one wonder... Actually, there are some very sound research reasons to have googled "kiddie porn" sites: it's called academic research. It's part of this new thing called the Enlightenment...maybe BushCo isn't on board yet. And actually, you can hardly enjoy good old fashioned free hardcore porn with adult models without running a gauntlet of "barely legal," "Twinks", "First Timers", "Teen," etc. ad naus. What is not surprising is that many of the "models" who are purported to be of age do not appear to be natives of a Western representative republic or kingdom... "I'm not really a schoolgirl in NY, I just play one on the internet from my pimp's home in (insert name of favorite disgusting amoral third world dictatorship here)..."

[high density]

147. 1m random addresses.. Yeah, that sounds like it's targeted only to

the "evil doers." :eyes:

[namvet73]

148. Dick, Go "prosecute" yourself! -eom-

[IronLionZion]

149. What makes you think they aren't already doing it?

:think:

[greiner3]

153. Good thing that I only google;

Words like nuclear bomb, dirty bomb, bomb, terrorists, gun, bomb, World Trade Center, bin laden, and words like this every other week. Maybe I'll get lucky and pick my off week. :sarcasm:
bomb!

[Lisa]

154. if the White House doesn't like the results of googling "Bush + Dick" ...

... maybe they should change their names by official deed poll.

[oneoftheboys]

159. Why, I think I shall start goggling everything.

Do you think they can keep up?

:shrug:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

160. other companies have agreed to cooperate, not google tho

That's what it said in the article.

"The government indicated that other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release the information, but not Google."

I figure Yahoo caved in.

[kineneb]

166. ok, then, George, you tell me where I can find maple,

and other hardwoods for turning on my lathe. 'Cause that is what I have been looking up on Google. Also, where I can find woodturning tools, while you are at it. And ideas for bowl turning.

Jerks.:mad:

[Stockholm]

175. I would like to see FED's google record

It would illustrate perfectly the institutional mindset at the moment.

Would you send that please, Agent Mike?

[chelsea0011]

176. No more freedom in BushWorld.

[shawn703]

177. Republicans can't find the porn they are looking for

And want tips on what search phrases pull up the most deviant stuff there is to be found. Sick bastards.

[emad]

178. Google refuses White House search request

Simon Jeffery and agencies
Friday January 20, 2006


Google is resisting a White House subpoena to hand over the records of the searches internet users are asking it to perform, it has emerged.

The request was first made last summer, but when California-based Google refused to comply, the US attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, lodged papers with a federal judge in San Jose to enforce the order.

The White House argues that a list of all requests entered into its search engine over a single week - which could span tens of millions of queries - will help it build up a profile of internet use it needs to defend an online pornography law.

It also wants a million randomly selected addresses from the index of websites that Google searches.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1691273,00.html

[BlueIris]

179. According to a contributor on my blog, anyone wishing to thank Google

can go here:

http://groups.google.com

[indeman]

180. Remember, the Bush administration's goal is to keep itself in power.

The Bush administration doesn't really care about the security or well-being of the country. Virtually everything it does is to benefit those connected with the administration. And to assure its continuing ability to do that, The Bush administration uses several tactics to keep itself, and its anointed successor, in power. In other words, Bush's campaign is not limited to the months preceding the election. Rather, the public image cultivated by the administration during Bush's ENTIRE terms in office is part of a massive election campaign.

Part of that campaign is to shape the Administration's public persona to fit the values of the electorate (even though, the Administration's TRUE values have nothing to do with most American's values). Because computer users often search for things privately that they might not discuss in public, a gigantic sampling of search results from all of the major search engines could be an excellent campaign resource to help shape the theme and message of the campaign to fit the concerns and interests of the electorate.

[Trevelyan]

181. I think you are right indeman - Thank you for the address BlueIris

I will thank Google and hope they are honest and have not given the information already - somehow I don't trust anything MSM says.

The reason for the nomination of Alberto "Torture Boy" Gonzales becomes clearer to anyone who didn't know.

Interested in boycotts forming around Yahoo and AOL, I believe the article I read did mention names of those who had already complied.

ACLU/TV - has segments on people who have been hurt by the mistakes using the Patriot Act -- will check and see if ACLU has an action ready to stop this.

Human Rights Watch
http://www.supportmpscapegoats.com/files/82nd_Airborne_statements_of_abuse.pdf
=Ignoring the truth

When an MP soldier with no real knowledge of events turned in pictures he had in his possession for months, the military called him a hero.

But when a military intelligence nco, SGT Samuel Provance, attempted to set the record straight on the true nature of the involvement of military intelligence, he was threatened with charges and ostracized in order to shut him up.

Not only did the prosecution ignore the truth of what former MP SGT Ken Davis had to say, but they tried many times to smear his name by insinuating he was testifying for his own benefit when in fact he was subpoenaed. He was never the focus of the investigation and he was never charged
with anything. He is just a citizen, once a soldier, who knows what Army values are.

Since that time, similar situations have appeared in detention centers all over Iraq. As in this case, questions about policies and standards were rebuffed. One West Point Officer came forward because he was infuriated at the lack of Army values being displayed by the officer corp in not
accepting their responsibily

=The purpose of this website is to bring attention to the fact that seven MP’s were made scapegoats based on the government’s version of events. http://www.supportmpscapegoats.com/

First they came for "THEM", then they came for Me.

[BlueIris]

186. No problem. And I hear you about MSM. This week has been AWFUL

in terms of simple screw-ups they've made in even the most basic facts. Something's going on. They're scared.

[madmark]

182. more on the ongoing piss on privacy bandwagon; doesn't the state

have better things to (ie. kill bin ladin, exterminate al Quada, balance the fucking budget, better prepare for disasters so no more cities are lost, things like that)

[panzerfaust]

187. Fine: But 1) ...

1) Google will likely loose, and have to turn over the info.

2) Google reportedly keeps the IP addresses of the search originator in their database. Though this information may, or may not, be in the information they will be compelled to reveal ... there is no satisfactory-to-me reason why it Google keeps it in the first place.

3) Consider Google's "Desktop Search" tool. In concept, this is a great idea: allowing you to retrieve, using the Google indexing/search engine, anything stored on your computer. Years ago there was a fine program from Lotus that did this (“Magellan”, which in that pre-internet era, few knew what to make of).

Yet, If Google indexes your drives, what will it do with THAT information? If they do choose to suck it into their private database - will it not then also potentially be available to the government?

I have been going back and forth about installing "Desktop Search" - this government fishing expedition made my decision easy: "NOT"

So, what do I have to hide on my computer?

Many dark and likely soon to be forbidden thoughts: 1) I believe that with the semi-bloodless coup of 2000 America began the transition to a Fascist form of government, which will be completed with the confirmation of the current Supreme Court nominee; 2) I believe Mr Bush to be a morally corrupt figurehead for the corporations who run this country (and who control BOTH major political parties); 3) I do not accept Jesus Christ as my Personal Savior – nor even as a historically existing figure; 4) ... the list just goes on.

Dangerous thoughts indeed, in the New America.

Gott segnen unseren großen Führer!