CIA Official Says Voice on Tape Believed to be Osama Bin Laden

[sabra]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT004614.htm

19 Jan 2006 19:09:30 GMT

Source: Reuters

CIA OFFICIAL SAYS VOICE ON TAPE BELIEVED TO BE OSAMA BIN LADEN

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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT004614.htm

US analysts say bin Laden audio tape authentic

19 Jan 2006 19:13:54 GMT
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Jan 19 (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence analysts have authenticated an audio tape that threatens new al Qaeda attacks inside the United States as a genuine message from Osama bin Laden

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. consider the source

do you believe the CIA on this matter?

[jimshoes]

2. He could have at least

made a 8mm movie to go along with the audio.

[acmavm]

3. According the the neocons in the bush** admin the CIA is full

of some dumb Mo Fos. I mean, they botched the WMD intel, didn't they?

[stepnw1f]

4. You Mean "Fixed the Intel"

And that intel came from Bush's own OSP within the CIA.

[Autumn Colors]

5. Nope .... this tape brought to you by Los Alamos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=183367&mesg_id=183367

[IChing]

17. The WP article was from 7 years ago imagine the progress with

this technology in that time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Interesting to say the least.

[shance]

6. How do we know it wasn't taped years ago?

n/t

[GoddessOfGuinness]

33. It requires faith.

Facts are unimportant here. You simply have to believe he's alive, because the Great White Father says so.

[Warpy]

7. Either Congress needs to get off their combined, overpaid,

too comfortable asses and ACT against this bunch, or they need to declare themselves irrelevant to a dictatorship, disband, and return all the paychecks they've collected since Asshole stole the election in 2000. This is ridiculous. Everybody on both sides knows this gang has broken law after law after law, used the constitution for toilet paper, ignored treaties that have the force of constitutional law.

Either they need to act, or they need to go, every damned wimp on both sides.

Personally, I won't be voting for any incumbents. Period.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

8. BBC: "Opinion is divided as to whether the voice really is Bin Laden's"

.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628738.stm

I just want to know -Is it a body double?

I he's for real how'd they get him to say exactly what they want him to say?
If they have a deal with him I hope he turns on him and exposes the cozy relationship.
If they have him in prison I hope a guard or CIA gets pissed and comes forward to let the cat out of the bag.

I can't wait to find out how these " Binny L _{Camera Star} " Tapes are done!!

[EVDebs]

9. Deja vu all over again whenever Bush's ratings drop...up pops OBL

January 23, 2004

The Voice of Osama bin Laden
Osama's voice on tape proves that the leader of al Qaeda is still alive. Or does it?

By Richard A. Muller

http://www.technologyreview.com/Networks/wtr_13431,258,p1.html?PM=GO

Deja vu all over again, and whenever Bush or OBL seem in 'tight spots'. It would be better if the RFID technology related to OBL's kidney dialysis product needs were being truly exploited, if you get my drift.

Total Surveillance
http://www.motherjones.com/interview/2005/12/albrecht.h ...

Couple this insidious technology with purposely erroneous background checks

Who is checking the background checkers?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p13s02-wmgn.html

They've offshored, outsourced, and privatized TIA. Now all they have to do is fire you for being 'of the wrong political party' and put false information in your background data...and voila ! You've just created the most insidious terror project in the US ever.

If the NSA et al can track a purchase of my underware from Wal-Mart using RFID technology, they can surely track a 6' tall Saudi in the Hindu Kush mountains in need of kidney disease products. If they truly wanted to, that is.

[lvx35]

10. Bin laden regugitates right wing talking points.

" ... The war against America and its allies will not be confined to Iraq," the man's voice said, adding that "Iraq has become a magnet for attracting and training talented fighters."

"In response to the substance of the polls in the U.S., which indicate that Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to."

Bin laden says that Iraq has become a magnet for attracting terrorists, and laughs with glee that Bush's POLL NUMBERS are down. Sheesh.

[DrCorday]

29. I've noticed this. And bin Laden's logic is screwed up too.

And Bin Laden's logical arguments are somehow even more ridiculous and irritating that the right-wing wackos... achieving a level of fundementalist wacko previously unimaginable.

So, just imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts the soldier while collecting the remnants of his comrades' dead bodies after they hit mines, which torn them. Following such situation, the soldier becomes between two fires. If he refuses to go out of his military barracks for patrols, he will face the penalties of the Vietnam butcher, and if he goes out, he will face the danger of mines.

So, he is between two bitter situations, something which puts him under psychological pressure - fear, humiliation, and coercion. Moreover, his people are careless about him. So, he has no choice but to commit suicide.

What?! That doesn't even makes sense. It ignores suicide as a possible result of mental illness. And where does he get off saying that we don't care about our soldiers?! Granted, the right-wingers who've never fought in wars may not give a damn, but most of us here are struggling to get them home. It's just so absurd.

And also, why haven't we caught this guy?!?!! Oh wait, yeah, Republicans are in office... we all know how great they are at nailing our enemies.

[drduffy]

11. suspicious

why an 'audio' tape now?
where is independent verification of authenticity and date of production?
why any communication from bin laudin now?
what point or purpose does it serve for bin laudin?
what point or purose might it serve for BushCo if it is cointelpro crap?

These and potentially many more questions give me pause to refrain from jumpin on any band wagon about any so-called communication from bin laudin et. al.

[Vidar]

12. Straight from Rove Studios

[Tin Man]

13. The tape's real. OBL's interests are served by keeping Bush around, too.

OBL recognizes the beneficiary of the War on Terror, in it's current implementation, is actually Radical Islam.

Iraq is the best example of how US policies are losing the War on Terror - despite heavy handed military intervention by the US, Iraq is more Radicalized than ever, and the US is more isolated from our Western allies than ever. Yet Bush is determined to "stay the course" and "honor the sacrifices" etc.

And within the US itself, when faced with the specter of "terra", citizens appear quite willing to surrender their constitutionally guaranteed rights to an increasingly fascist government - so OBL wins again, by steering US citizens into abdicating our democratic system of checks-and-balances in favor of an imperial executive, whose very policies actually benefit Radical Islam.

Why did OBL appear on video tape on November 1, 2004? To get Bush re-elected. Why did OBL release an audio tape today? Purely to "take the heat off" the Bush Administration with regards to NSA wiretapping, Abramoff, PlameGate, and help get Alito into the Supremes.

Sept 11th was just OBL setting his trap. When we invaded Iraq, we stepped into the snare. The more we struggle, the tighter the noose becomes. Yessir, OBL is Bush's biggest fan.

[NV Whino]

14. Bull pucky!

[Tight_rope]

15. Yeah and I'm a billionaire!...Fucking lying Bush regime!

[jobycom]

16. If so, it's even greater proof of Bush's failure. Impeach him now. nt.

[drduffy]

18. did you ever see the bin Laudin's picture on the tape

acknowledging responsibility for 9/11? That man looked nothing like bin laudin and was right handed wheras bin laudin is left handed. Originally, bin laudin denied any responsibility for 9/11. "Fool a man once........duh......shame on him......daauhh....."

Anybody who looks at the evidence, actually studies the evidence, comes away highly suspicious of BushCo.'s involvment in 9/11. So why not lie a little bit about bin laudin. Why not plan for another 9/11 when the need for martial law arises..... and it is becoming more so all of the time.... as BushCo. is stymied here and stymied there..... THE NEOCONS will not give up power willingly. They WILL do anything. They HAVE done the unthinkable. Why underestimate them now??

[pinniped]

19. Well, we all know there are never any fake tapes.

Every single one of these damm boogeyman tapes have been proclaimed authentic.

If I am wrong, please let me know.

[BadGimp]

20. The transcript reads like the CIA wrote it

[slampoet]

21. I work in Audio

There are plenty of programs out there that essentially have the person read all the phonics in their particular language and then the computer synthesizes what you want it to say in the speaker's voice and even intonation.

NOW, Blend this against the fact that the Neocon Crew were tapping phones before 911.
This tells me that they were collecting source material to splice a arabic speaking Bin_laden algorythm.

Check out these. Most are commercial products for home users, but some are not.



http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1561

http://www.vocaloid.com/en/introduction.html

Hell this one claims to correct mispronounced words and runs on a simple mac.

http://www.ircam.fr/288.html?&L=1&tx_ircam_pi2=33&cHash=2e15a5a54d

And here is the basic method to do it yourself

http://www.telecom.tuc.gr/~ntsourak/tutorial_synthesis.htm

Check out computer music journal over the last 10 years and you'll find a lot of articles on this.

[thebigidea]

23. and all of them are instantly identifiable... I... AM... DOCTOR... SBAITSO

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[thebigidea]

27. nah, I've heard all that stuff and have kept up with the tech.

have used whatever new program that has come up in various projects, they are getting better but they still can't fool any but the most deeply gullible.

And yeah, I'm obviously a "freep" because I think the current state of voice synthesis leaves much to be desired. Surely my views on that make me a ravenous rightwinger, whereas those that think that voice synthesis is so high tech and perfect that it can concievably create flawless OBL tapes are the only true progressives.

What complete arrogance! Next i'll be a fascist because I think though improving, soy sausage technology has yet to develop a perfect patty.

[slampoet]

35. No,

I AM arrogant about this (and pretty much only this) and it is because the products i help make are selling very well this year. That is because I never say that technology hasn't progressed and that we need to wait combined with the fact that I actually read the scientific research journals. if people like me listened to you Les Paul wouldn't have invented the multi-track.

You are displaying your ignorance by not actually looking at the evidence i have presented. Your post appeared a minute or so after mine. You assumed that you know better without taking in new knowledge. That is what freeps do.

Commercial voice synthesis programs that do quick jobs only articulate on 5-7 controlable variables but do it in real time at a sampling rate of 96khz 24bit. Now imagine if you have a supercomputer and 5 months to work on it at a sampling rate only attainable with custom a-to-d converters like lets say 480khz 48 bit. Please consider this before you post based on your experience with Fruity loops or Reason.

Plus if you have the person there you can take an Impuse Response of their throat with a simple microphone and a test tone generator. I already have several IR's of people's vocal passages that they did for fun. If you don't know what an Impulse Response is or how bloody easy (and free) it is, look into it.

The rule of the market place is that whatever you see on the market has been available to a college research lab for 5+ years these days. Plus check out the other threads here that are showing

Remember again. This is NOT out of the air synthesis, This is re-synthesis based on samples of the persons' voices.

Also this recording is on cassette and the noise floor seems to be something like -35 db, very noisy and perfect for covering up the digital aliasing from anything (just run it through a tube compressor, right? but i'm sure you know that trick too.) They have cell phones in Africa but not a single digital dictation machine? Digital minidisk recorders have been out for 15+ years and DAT machines for 20+ and yet a millionaire records on a cassete?


Again Read computer music journal, and not keyboard magazine.
Again next time read before you respond.



If you're not into reading just put this on EM411 and I'll enjoy the electronic music people tearing you a new one. Hell! you may even convice a 14 year old with the time to do it for the glory. Go ask Paul Lansky of Princeton if this is possible, he had software that could model human throats on his website in 1994!

[oblivious]

36. Thank you for your informative posts.

[IChing]

26. Why not use the Los Alamos program which is the most advanced

mentioned in this post or here? #5
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=183367&mesg_id=183367

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

[eridani]

34. The process would have to leave tracks on the audio tape, no?

If so, an independent investigation should turn up such evidence. What I noticed was the careful phrasing of the CIA claim -they think the "voice is that of bin Laden." That, of course, would be perfectly true of a synthesized voice tape as well.

[Strelnikov_]

22. "Yea, That Sound Like Osama. I Thought He Was Out On Sick Leave . .

today. I mean, his cube is dark and the TPS reports are still in his in-box. Maybe this is one of his telecommuting days."

[HuffleClaw]

24. proof the tape is bogus

they only ever 'authenticated' the fake bin laden tapes. the real ones they'd call 'unverified'.

on edit. and FAAAAST too. i mean super fast. the fastest 'authentication' ever i'm pretty sure.

[rodeodance]

31. it came within hours from the CIA--but I heard the FBI has yet to authenti

[Geo55]

28. Yep,.....sure

an' in the background you can faintly hear Groucho Marx saying "We took pictures of the native girls, but they weren't developed. . . But we're going back next week"

It's strange, now anything my government announces to me . I automatically consider it bullshit until proven otherwise........it's not supposed to be like that, ..right?

[Peace Patriot]

30. And we're supposed to believe the toadies and asslickers of the junta's

purged CIA? Har, har.

[Marie26]

32. Why now? OBL timeline

Bin Laden has completely dropped off the radar & hasn't released a tape in years.

Timeline of Bin Laden tapes (2004-now):

- 01/05/2004
- 04/14/2004
- 05/06/2004
- 10/27/2004 (video! - Election special)
- 12/16/2004
- 12/27/2004
..... nothing at all in 2005
- 1/19/2006

Bin Laden was releasing tapes reliably about every 3 months throughout 2004; then falls silent for over a year. Now, after all this time, he's up & threatening America again? Yet he doesn't mention, or even seem to know, that the US just attacked a village in Pakistan? No. This is BS. I don't know if the US created it, or if they've just been sitting on it waiting for a good time to release it, but this isn't legit.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html

[oblivious]

37. That's a good point. The missile strike was supposedly in his area.

It would be rather incredible if the real Osama hadn't mentioned it.

Edit: But Aljazeera says the tape was likely made last month (before the strike, I guess)

[Marie26]

38. I guess...

Or maybe it was made 5 years ago. There's really no way to know. In other tapes, Bin Laden referenced specific events (elections, etc.) that gave a real time frame. This tape is so non-specific, it could have been made almost anytime. If Bin Laden's really trying to prove he's still alive & dangerous, you'd think he'd come up w/more convincing evidence than a fuzzy, vague audio tape.