Bill seeks abortion's end in Ohio

[RawMaterials]

COLUMBUS - A Cincinnati legislator's bill to ban abortion in Ohio drew widespread support here Wednesday from a dozen groups eager to trigger a review of Roe v. Wade by what they see as an increasingly conservative U.S. Supreme Court.

At a Statehouse news conference marking this week's 33rd anniversary of the landmark 1973 decision, opponents called on the Ohio General Assembly to debate a bill banning all abortions.

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Mark Harrington, executive director for the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Midwest, called Brinkman's bill a test case. Anti-abortion groups say that a Supreme Court reshaped by President Bush - with new justices John Roberts and, expected soon, Samuel Alito - will be inclined to overturn Roe.

"House Bill 228 provides the necessary constitutional challenge to strike down Roe versus Wade," Harrington said. "It will immediately be challenged in the courts, and that's the strategy. House Bill 228 is a trigger law. The U.S. Supreme Court needs a law to trigger a review of Roe versus Wade."

Cincinnati attorney Alphonse A. Gerhardstein, who represents a number of abortion providers across Ohio including Cincinnati Women's Services, questioned whether the ban would pass in Columbus.



http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/NEWS01/601190364/1056

[MrModerate]

1. Yeah. Like the pubbies keep saying: "(S)elections have consequences" n/t

[liberal N proud]

2. All the players are in place, set to go as soon as Alito is confirmed

Ready Set Go!
Save the fetus so they can kill the baby

[area51]

39. "Save the fetus so they can kill the baby."

Well said.

The nazi party is so concerned about children, that it gives universal healthcare to all children from birth to age 18, right? <crickets chirping>

[sarcasmo]

3. It has begun folks. Watch every red state do this same thing to push the

Bill all the way to the Supreme Court.

[Gman]

4. This is political suicide for the GOP

they will take a big get out the vote issue for them off the table and give the left a huge get out the vote issue.

But of course, just as the far left has little interest in the welfare of the Democratic party, the far fundie right only cares about their own issues, not the welfare of the GOP.

[blm]

5. This is how Bush intends to get out the fundie vote in an offyear election

to protect a GOP congress - they'll push abortion measures and anti-gay marriage measures EVERYWHERE THEY CAN GET THEM ON THE BALLOT.

[calico1]

6. I think you are exactly right. n/t

[Faygo Kid]

7. Roe is going down. Will wake up America, and split the Right.

I do not favor overturning Roe. Obviously, women should have the Constitutional right to control their bodies, and decisions. But it's also obvious that Roe may not stand. I think we ought to start mobilizing for the eventuality. In each state, the Right will go to war: Should abortion be legal? Should abortion be criminalized, and for who? The doctors? The woman who seeks an abortion? What about cases of rape and incest, or to save the woman's life? What about the state's social support systems? Parental consent? Meanwhile, those of us who believe in the right of a woman to make her own decision, and in not destroying social supports for the poor, will be consistent and united. There is a part of me that wants Roe overturned for those reasons; a bigger part, though, says that once an established Constitutional right is overturned, others may follow. Like voting rights, which are in grave danger. At any rate, no state legislator is going to overturn Roe. That part is ridiculous.

[DBoon]

9. will every woman who miscarries become a criminal suspect?

outlawing abortion entirely means every pregnancy that ends prematurely or with a non-viable fetus is potentially a criminal act.

[Faygo Kid]

12. That's on the table, as are all options.

That's my point. I have no doubt that some influential W worshippers will go that far. Can they get the talk show hosts and Faux News to back them? Interesting.

[MountainLaurel]

14. Last year in VA

Legislation was introduced that would require women who miscarry to report them to the local police department.

http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html

[Radio_Lady]

36. {{SHUDDER}} My grandmother died during an abortion --

It was her fifth child. She got blood poisoning. My grandfather married her single younger sister who raised four kids, ages 12,11,5,and 4. My "Grandma" Ruth was only 21 when she married "Grandpa."

What a sordid time! -- it has come around to this.

[Megahurtz]

30. And what's worse, in cases of rape

who is going to decide whether a conception is really the result of a rape or not???

The woman or girl that got raped or......

the Police? An Investigator? A Judge? A Politician?....In other words,

an outsider who wasn't even there when it happened???

FUCK THAT !

:argh:

[RawMaterials]

8. Funny how this news comes out right after OBL

gets on tv, just wants to make me :puke:

[UrbScotty]

10. Is there a Bennett Provision calling for black babies to be aborted? (nt)

[hogwyld]

11. GOP long term planning...

Outlaw abortion so that all those kiddies can grow up to be big, strong, draftees for the ongoing Iraq boondoggle.

[Catch22Dem]

13. If they outlaw abortion they won't have a "cause" to rally the fundie base

Don't look for safe, legal, abortions to go anywhere anytime soon.

[xchrom]

15. they will over turn roe if they can.

the gop is not afraid of accomplishing anything on their agenda.

in fact they are proponents of success breeding success.

although fucked up -- look at what they have gone after since they have been in control.

and look at what they have accomplished. from their point of view.

[high density]

16. Why do all these right wingers want unwanted babies to be born?

They sure as hell don't want to fund the welfare system to take care of them.

[0rganism]

19. You're so close to the truth...

Two words: CHEAP LABOR

Increased supply of barely-literate impoverished young 'uns entering the labor force -> Reduced wages and benefits for workers

[wordpix]

24. that is the truth-don't want to fund welfare, schools, drug rehab, prison

reform...

[Betty]

35. to keep women under control

any woman who can control her reproductive choices is a threat to these assholes. Women should be incubators, and subservient to their husbands.

[0rganism]

17. Appropriate response by pro-choicers: leave the Ohio law alone

Sorry, that's the only way they can play it at this point. If a state as corrupt and republican-dominated as Ohio wants to outlaw abortion, they have to get their way for the time.

Same goes for Mississippi (which only has one abortion clinic in the state anyway), Alabama, and any other red state governed by religious fanatics and greedheads. Let them have their way with it, and we'll see how long the population lets it stand. We'll see what black markets and abortion tourism develop in place of safe and legal medicine.

If they want a test case, then let Ohio itself be that test case.

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[Hobarticus]

20. Whose abortion did you witness?

And please....tell us some background information on the circumstances.

[Heddi]

21. No, it's not a baby

Correct medical terminology declares that it's not considered a "baby" until it is delivered from the womb. Even then, it's considered a neonate. While still in utero, it is considered a zygote, embryo, or fetus, depending on the state of development.

I would encourage you to spend a few days in a health-care setting and see women who have abortions for reasons such as megalocephaly, microcephaly, and a host of other fetal developmental disorders. Even better, witness a delivery of a microcephalic baby. See with your own eyes a child that will not survive more than a few hours (at the absolute most) outside of the womb. A baby whose cranium isn't filled with a brain, but is filled with cerebrospinal fluid. A baby that doesn't have any recognizable features other than deformed hand and feet, that has no head, has no face, and is severely deformed. THen look that mother in the face and tell her it was appropriate that she couldn't have an abortion. Tell her that it's good for her soul that she had to go through gestating and delivering a child that will not live for more than 2 hours, that has no cerebral functioning. That has no brain.

I encourage you to ee that. It WILL change or at least challenge your closed-minded opinion on the subject of abortion.

Oh---and how were you able to witness an abortion? Were you a friend or family member of the woman undergoing the procedure? Were you a health care profesional? Or did you pose as one so you could see the horrible process of abortion?

Ever seen open heart surgery? Any other kind of invasive surgery? Those are pretty gross too. Should we outlaw them because of the grody factor involved? Or just those procedures directly related to the gynecological health and choice of the woman involved?

[Dave Reynolds]

23. You put it very well,

and I smell a troll in the woods.

[HockeyMom]

32. I saw my amniocentesis

of my when my Fallopian tube burst with a 5 week old EMBRYO. There was no "little head, no little legs, no little arms, etc." It was nothing but a bloody MESS.

As one of the doctors who operated on me said, and I quote, "It took almost half an hour to find her BLADDER." Anybody who knows anything about biology, knows the difference in size between an adult bladder and a 5 week old embryo. Yes, you IDIOT Fundies. SHOW women what that looks like.

Maybe I should have told them to take all the contents and give it all a good Christian BURIAL?????

[buddysmellgood]

37. THAT is an excellent post. Thank you.

[PSPS]

25. Let me guess ... you're a man

[Hobarticus]

26. Self-delete...n/t

[Zhade]

28. Let ME guess - s/he is an idiot, regardless of gender.

NT!

[Megahurtz]

31. I would bet a million bucks on THAT one. n/t

[Auntie Bush]

27. Simpleobservations...short stay wasn't it? Tombstoned already!

[saigon68]

40. Adios

Vaya Con Dios

[wordpix]

22. get your effing repuke noses out of women's private parts, dammit

[HockeyMom]

29. They want to PAY for government sponsored ORPHANAGES?

Do they think SUDDENLY all these "billions" of unwanted "babies" (fertilized EGGS too?) will become wanted? There are billions of women looking to adopt? This is not 1920. Are they going to ban fertility treatments (IVF) too to FORCE couples to adopt?????

No, say hello to GOVERNMENT sponsored orphanages for the POOR. The RICH, and probably middle class too, will find a way to PAY for abortions, legal or NOT.

[adriennui]

33. and so it begins

a f--k you to woman from the men of the republican party. i knew what it was like before abortion was legal. i don't know how i can explain the desparation and loneliness.

[GrantDem]

34. Indiana is joining the GOP "plan"

H.B. 1096 would make abortion illegal except to "prevent a substantial permanent impairment of the life or physical health of the pregnant woman"

The '06 election plan begins...

http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2006&session=1&request=getBill&docno=1096&doctype=HB

[depakid]

41. With apologies to Indiana and Ohio DU'rs

Those two states deserve EXACTLY what they've been getting- and given current policies- they're going to see A LOT more hardship.

And I for one have no sympathy. Keep voting Republican- despite the fact that your communities have been devistated their policies- and in Ohio's case- that your government is more corrupt that most 3rd world countries, and enjoy the results.

[GrantDem]

43. I agree w/ you...

It is very frustrating for us Dems that live in these states.

[AgadorSparticus]

38. dark ages, here we come!!! nt

[michiganbuckeye1970]

42. Defining the Abortion Debate

The Pro-Choice side has given up much in the general framing of the abortion debate. We have let the Anti-Choice crowd spew their none-sense about abortion being murder, while at the same time letting them take the position that abortion would be appropriate in the case of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

If the Anti-choice crowd actually believes abortion to be murder, how can they allow any exceptions? For the first two instances, what they are really saying is that if you are a human being who came about as the result of rape or incest, you are really less than other human being and are not worth saving...Murder is murder, right?

As far as the health of the mother is concerned, if abortion is murder, which is an intentional act, how can the intentional act of murder be justified to correct a health problem. We would not allow a mother to have the heart taken out of her child and put into her to save her life, correct? But if you accept the basic premise of the anti-choice group that the fetus is a baby (is a human), then it seems to me there would be little difference to terminating the pregnancy because the mother has a health issue, to terminating the child or even adolescent to harvest organs that the mother might need.

I realize that this is an extreme agrument, but if you take a second to think about it, I think it is logical. But you have to approach it with the current Anti-Choice groups' postions in mind.

When I get into discussion about abortion, I never allow the other side to slide into that seemingly middle ground of allowing abortions based on the health of the mother, rape or incest.

The only way that the Anti-Choice's stance holds up is with a complete ban on all abortions, regardless of the situation.

They cannot win with this position, ever.

And this is too precious a right for women to let those who are against basic freedoms to define the debate.