Iran's leader challenges Europe to take back Jews in Israel

[Behind the Aegis]

DAMASCUS - In a new attack on the existence of Israel, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has challenged Europe to take back the Jews who emigrated to Israel, adding that no Jews would remain in Israel if Europe were to open its doors.

Ahmadinejad delivered the challenge after arriving in Syria for a two-day visit on Thursday. Addressing Europe, he asked: "Would you open the doors of your own countries to these (Jewish) immigrants so that they could travel to any part of Europe they chose?"

"Would you offer the necessary guarantees that you would provide for their security when they came to your countries and not allow another anti-Semitic wave in Europe?" he added in an apparent reference to recent attacks on Jewish cemeteries and properties in European states.

Ahmadinejad provoked an international outcries last year when he said Israel should be "wiped out" and that the Nazi Holocaust against Jews in World War II was a "myth."


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[Fenris]

1. Wow.

:wow:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Jews are People of the Book

and so must be treated like the brothers and sisters they are. I might not agree with everything that the Israeli government has done, but I don't buy the idea that anyone should be driven from their homes.

[AngryAmish]

4. How are people that are not of the book to be treated?

Just curious.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Fair game. That's why Arab slave traders preyed on African

animists in the 17th & 18th centuries - being not 'people of the book' they could legally be enslaved and sold to the American colonies.

[400Years]

7. people forget that christain and muslim roots are the same

[Ignacio Upton]

12. Yes, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all come from Abraham

In a sense, we worship the SAME God.

[daleo]

13. I guess that's why Christian Americans bought them, too. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. That was part of the spin.

"What's wrong with slavery? It gives us the chance to save the heathen from his damned existance and bring him to Christ!"

Of course, they then would not allow them churches and reading the bible was a crime, but they baptised them. Right after buying them.

I'm getting nauseous.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. According to the Qur'an

if memory serves, all are to be treated with fairness and honesty. You only fight someone who is denying your right to practice your faith, and if you do that with animosity towards the person, it is a sin. There is a story of Ali, son in law of the Prophet, who was in a battle in the early days of Islam when pagan Arabs tried to stop Islam. He knocked down a warrior and was ready to run him through when the warrior spat in his face. Ali sheathed his sword. The warrior asked him why. "Because if I killed you now, it would be in anger and for myself, and that would be murder."

Many Sufi orders believe all paths lead to God, and therefore all people are treated the same.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Must be why the Wahabbists don't much care for Sufi. nt

[leesa]

26. People of the Book?? WTF is that crap?

[mitchum]

30. The believers of the raggedy ass tribes's magic skygod

Abrahamic nonsense: Judaism, Christianity, Islam

[politicaholic]

3. What...a...friggin'...idiot...

He has to be the dumbest world leader on the planet next to Kim Jong Il. What a complete ass. I would be embarrassed to be Iranian right now.

[AGKISTRODON]

6. THEOCRACY

I think many Iranians are. This is a really good example of the dangers of theocracy. Many of our ancestors came here running from shit like this.

[lovuian]

8. He really acts like he has all the cards ... I really think Iran is

more prepared for war than we are...

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. The Jews were there before Muslims were

Who will take the Muslims?

[kineneb]

16. a gentle reminder

The Persians were there before the Jews. Persians/Iranians are not Arabs, which are Semitic peoples, like the Jews. Arabs were the first people converted to Islam, then later the Persians were invaded and converted by the Arabs. Do not forget, history runs deep in that part of the world.

[Pavulon]

25. Jews were Jews

Before Mohamed ever existed.

Rome and others shifter power in the region.

Power moves from state to state naturally.

Jew hatred is this guy rallying his base.

[Igel]

28. The Persians were where before the Jews?

Persia? True, but hardly relevant. Persia's rather a good distance from Palestine, and they only overlapped as the result of the Persian's desire to move people around to weaken old alliances and allegiances, in imitation of the Assyrian practice.

Palestine? False, but to the point. Sea Peoples, various kinds of Semites, the occasional Indo-European (even if Hittites may be marginal Indo-Europeans, the Hurrians surely count). Possibly even the occasional non-Semite governor from Lower Egypt. Part of the uncertainty is when you date the Exodus and how you deal with Abraham's wanderings and clan.

History runs deep in that part of the world; it's not always accurate, but it nonetheless runs deep.

I wonder why the Iranian prez doesn't ask Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to take back all the Indo-Aryan people to Sogdiana? That would surely solve the Kurdish problem once and for all. But I guess all the Turkic peoples would have to truck back up to near Mongolia then, wouldn't they? And if Arabia had to take back all the Arabs, well, they'd surely have a water crisis on their hands.

[brentspeak]

10. Just our luck, Bush and Ahmadinejad in power at the same time

Either one of these two nimrods would cause enough world chaos on their own. But the two of them, at the same time?

[Village Idiot]

11. I am not excusing Ahmadinejad's rhetoric, BUT...

Does no one here remember that Iran is run, more or less, on a daily basis by imams, mullahs and other clerics?

How long do you believe this man would stay in power if he did not spout the traditional hatred for the Jews and Zionism in general?

Nothing he has said so far had not already been espoused (and at LENGTH) by Yassir Arafat previously - especially the parts about Europe taking back the Jews, and Israel being wiped off the map - and more than a handful of Arab Islamic leaders...

Not that what he is saying is not pretty damn ignorant, but after all, in an Islamic theocracy, this stuff is said ALL THE TIME...the same rhetoric comes out of Yemen, Oman and Saudi Arabia CONSTANTLY. It is only because the backstory for an US or Israeli attack on Iran is being prepared that you are reading all of this ALL THE TIME right now...

[ECH1969]

14. Iran's leadership wants war as much as Bush

Both will benifit.

[kineneb]

17. Iranian Pres. is trying to call BushCo's bluff

If the Iranian oil bourse starts up, the US empire could collapse because the dollar will no longer be the only currency used in oil trading. Several good articles on this today at Information Clearing House web site.
Of course, both leaders are so full of s*** that one could fertilize the entire Middle East with manure left over for Africa. They both have to play to their respective "bases" no matter what they may personally believe. So we are truely stuck with Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.

[jzodda]

18. What an asshole

nt

[barb162]

19. The KKK Bigot of the Century Award goes to Ahmadinejad

[Charlie Brown]

20. Does this include the Jews who are indigenous to the Middle East?

This guy has a big mouth, and wants a fight. Like with all bullies, the best answer is to ignore him.

[channa18]

24. Ignore him?

wow....you can ignore him at your own risk. He will soon have nukes and has threatened to use them.

[Charlie Brown]

29. you can support another war at your own risk

along with Hillary, the Republicans, and all the freepers. I've seen enough of it.

[channa18]

31. Does this bother you....

"God willing......we shall soon experiece a world without the UNITED STATES and ZIONISM"

SEPT. 15,2005

[Charlie Brown]

33. Of course it bothers me

but war is not the answer. I've heard Kim Juong Il say far worse things about America. Does that bother you?

[channa18]

35. uhhhhhh.....yeah,it does,actually.

I/m not advocating war....sheeesh.....but if someone has a gun at your head and says he's going to pull the trigger , do you say 'no, i wont defend my self'???

I would love to know if you think after Pearl Harbor we had a right to defend ourselves.

[Charlie Brown]

36. "I/m not advocating war"

It sounds like that's exactly what you're doing, since you shunned me for suggesting otherwise.

"I would love to know if you think after Pearl Harbor we had a right to defend ourselves."

Obviously, that's a matter of personal ethics. But there was a much better case for war against a world power that had attacked a US territory than there is against a very poor country in the Middle East.

Do you think we were justified in "defending ourselves" in Korea and Vietnam?

[channa18]

37. ok

"Do you think we were justified in "defending ourselves" in Korea and Vietnam?"....of course not.


interesting point....

"But there was a much better case for war against a world power that had attacked a US territory than there is against a very poor country in the Middle East"......


a very poor country that will soon have nukes and have openly stated their desire to destroy the united states and israel and we're supposed to assume its all bluster and posturing and ignore the fact since it hasnt happened yet and lets wait and see if he is really serious about using them and if he does use nukes to destroy his enemies and potentially may cause millions of deaths,and only then we may want to do something but dont do anything until it happens.Meanwhile wait.

is that about right?

[Charlie Brown]

38. I think you have your own agenda here

and I'm not going to give you any more ammo. Have a nice evening.

[rayofreason]

21. Only Europe???

So where do the Jews who were driven from Islamic lands go?

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[leesa]

27. This is an interesting question. Europe talks big about the ME accepting

the installation of Israel by Britain, but will these European countries now accept their Jewish people back that they drove out during WWII? I took this more as a rhetorical question. It is interesting. Most of the world didn't want its Jewish population yet they are shocked with the ME for being upset that they had to be uprooted to make room for them. Bunch of hypocrites.

[channa18]

32. bta......who said......

"Israel MUST be wiped off the map"

oct 25,2005

[Catrina]

39. Maybe he was hired by the neocons to do what he's doing

Did they use Diebold in the Iranian elections? He's probably a friend of Chalabi and Perle. They want so badly to invade Iran, Michael Ledeen will burst soon, if they don't get to do it!

I find it hard to believe that a legitimate leader of Iran, even if he privately thought some of the things this guy is saying, would give this kind of ammo to the Israelis. Seems a little odd, to say the least.

[Behind the Aegis]

40. Oh brother.

:eyes:

Talk about 'conspiracy theory.'