Casey (PA Senate candidate) says he would vote to put Alito on high court

[Freddie Stubbs]

Man who hopes to replace Santorum in Senate is criticized by both sides.
By Jeff Miller
Call Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON | Democrat Bob Casey Jr. said Tuesday that if he were in the U.S. Senate, he would vote to confirm Judge Samuel Alito Jr. for the Supreme Court.

Casey's announcement put him on the same side of the nomination fight as Sen. Rick Santorum, the Pennsylvania Republican he hopes to defeat in November.

But it was sure to disappoint liberal interest groups that traditionally back Democratic candidates and have been united in opposing Alito.

Casey's decision also put him at odds with the vast majority of Senate Democrats. Although Alito cleared the Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, all eight Democrats on the panel voted against him. Only one Democrat — Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska — has said he would vote to confirm Alito.

more: http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/state/all-a5_5caseyjan25,0,2808085.story

[wakeme2008]

1. Sometimes I just do not understand Dems

:grr:

[LynneSin]

4. Actually I do!!

At first I was baffled about all of this and then it dawned on me - this guy can't vote for Alito. Neither can Ed Rendell, who said the same thing.

We all talk about how Rick Santorum is a done deal, but don't count Tricky Rick out until the last vote is counted. He has the resources of very powerful right-wing organizations behind him including Fundamentalist Groups, NRA and other very powerful and very rich groups that would spend all they can to keep Tricky Rick in his senate seat.

So why use the Alito nomination as something to galvanize those right-wing fundies? It's not like Casey can vote for any of them nor will he likely be on the senate judiciary committee if he gets elected. If anything Casey's ideologies pretty much match Harry Reid, who is another pro-life democrat.

In Pennsylvania, when someone starts screaming liberals we start losing voters. "Liberal" means, especially to the 'T-Zone' section of Pennsylvania that they'll tax you to death, destroy God at all cost and take away all your guns. Democrats know to win state wide they don't want following them around everywhere which is exactly what they did to Ron Klink, another Casey-democrat who was the candidate against Santorum back in 2000.

[wicket]

10. Well said Lynne!

:thumbsup:

(OT- your sig needs more cowbell ;) )

[leesa]

18. Great. Another GOP go-along to get-along....all we need.

What happened to right is right and wrong is wrong. Alito will help build a dictatorship...he doesn't have a problem with that?

[LynneSin]

24. Does it matter

Casey can't vote for the guy so why open a can of worms with Santorum and his unlimited funds from right-wing ideologues?

:shrug:

[CTLawGuy]

53. Ok, so if Casey says that and gets elected

what's going to happen with the next Alito that comes around?

Is he going to change course and vote against that person?
What would happen to his prospects for reelection if he did?

[still_one]

31. I am tired of political games

say what you mean, and mean what you say

If he said he would vote for alito, I TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD, otherwise he stands for double speak, and that is even worse

I don't live in Pennsylvania, but there is NO way I would vote for someone who is for the alito nomination. I am tired of people making excuses just because they have the name democrat associated with them

What we are talking about is a justice WHO DOESN'T believe in the seperation of powers

This is more than about winning or losing, it is about our Democracy

[silvermachine]

40. Cowbell makes you deaf...

<<<In Pennsylvania, when someone starts screaming liberals we start losing voters. "Liberal" means, especially to the 'T-Zone' section of Pennsylvania that they'll tax you to death, destroy God at all cost and take away all your guns.>>>

Oh ok.
So let's just abandon principles. The GOP at least stays on message on tries to change minds and persuade voters to consider their point of view. But we always have to cut and run? Go go GOP-lite!

[JNelson6563]

48. You really "get it"!

I wish more did. :toast:

[CTLawGuy]

52. so we should pander to people

and tell them not what we think, but what we think they want to hear?

Somehow I don't think that's right.

[Penndems]

84. One other item too, Lynne . . .

Alito sits on the Third Circuit bench in Philly, which is also where Judge Marjorie Rendell, the Guv's wife, presides. No doubt Ed Rendell knows Sam Alito and his emotional wife VERY well.

I'd be interested to hear what Midge Rendell thinks of Alito.

[PatsFan2004]

38. If you happen to be a anti-abortion DEM like my congressman

Steven Lynch, then you might be disposed to vote for Alito. My DEM congressman is pro-union, pro-family, and well-respected in Massachusetts and defeated a gay female politician who was pro-choise, pro-gay, and very progressive up here in Kennedy country.

[rox63]

2. ACK!!!!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[alarimer]

3. We don't need this guy

Why in the hell did the Dems hand pick him for this race? I don't get it. I know Santorum is bad but Casey is almost as bad.

[princehal]

5. No

Casy is NOT almost as bad.

[RB TexLa]

79. True

I'd love to have Casey or someone like him running here in Texas. I'd rather a anti-choice consertive Democrat in the Senate that I disagree with half the time than a republican I disagree with 80 % of the time.

[insane_cratic_gal]

9. because he's the only one who beats Ricky

In the polls

He's liberal on social issues on choice he's all about Anti choice

[0007]

36. What in the world are talking about? Absolutely no comparison

[silvermachine]

47. No, he's not as bad...

...while I disagree with his stance on the issue of choice, he is way better than Santorum.
What is sad to me is to think that people on this board think that GOP/RW/fundie freaks that vote for Santorum might vote for Casey because of his anti-choice views. It'll never happen. That's hardly the segment of the electorate that I think a truly progressive Democratic party should be targeting. Actually, I think it's far more likely that Casey would vote to confirm Alito simply because that's how he really feels. I don't agree with it but I can respect his backing his beliefs. But if he's doing it to try to appeal to people that would vote for Santorum (or out of fear of awakening the dreaded "sleeping giants" ) then he's a fool.
Some people on this board fail to realize that if say, 35 years ago, someone could have looked into the future and seen what the GOP had come to stand for, they would have said "No way! Those ideas are way too RW and radical. People would never go for it, they'd be turned off."
Well guess what?
The GOP was in it for keeps. They stayed in the minority but found ways to perfect and hone their message. And they didn't stop and rest or retreat after triumphs. They became MORE RADICAL all the while. What the Dems have chosen to do all too often is to acquiesce. Water down the message out of fear of offending someone. No wonder we seem to stand for nothing.
It's a prescription for failure.
And too many in this party take it. Cowed by their own "leaders" as much as by the media and the GOP attack machine.
For fuck's sake it's time to stand firm people.

[Freddie Stubbs]

82. He is a good ideological fit for much of the state

And he recieved more votes in an election that anyone in a PA election, ever.

[insane_cratic_gal]

6. Casey is a big Anti-choicer

and panders to that crowd, so I am guessing that is why he stated he'd support him.

I'm a woman and very much pro choice. Its the one issue I have with Casey. But in Pittsburgh, the anti choice crowd brow beats Pro choice candidates. Ask Specter he gets slapped around all of the time.

[LynneSin]

12. So is Harry Reid

what's your point.

And actually I would define both of them as pro-choice since both of them work hard to take care of the children once they are born

[insane_cratic_gal]

13. My point

If he wants to keep the Pro-lifers on his side he has to support the Alito Nom. Alito is loved by the right wing fanatics for his support of a Pro life.

Reid's already in office, I don't worry about him as much.

[LynneSin]

17. What does it matter what Casey says now?

He comes out against Alito and he riles up all those sleeping giants that support Santorum with the religious right.

Hell even Rendell said he would have voted for Alito. Neither candidate needs to have the fundies going crazy spending unlimited money in PA against either of them and trust me they will!

[VelmaD]

21. But they also don't need...

to alienate their Democratic base. Republicans win when when Democratic constituencies don't turn out to vote. And supporting this nominee seems like a really good way to turn off Democratic voters.

[insane_cratic_gal]

29. Look Lynne

I didn't say it mattered. Someone asked WHY would he support him (Alito), I simply gave an answer. I'm not bashing I am simply stating factual information. I live in Western PA, I'm more then aware of what Supports Santorum and why Casey did what he did.

[VelmaD]

14. I'm sorry Lynne but you are dead wrong on this one

Being pro-children once they are born does NOT make one pro-choice. Only favoring a woman's right to choose whether or not to have the child in the first place makes one pro-choice.

That said, in this case Casey is better than the alternative (then again that's not saying much given that a ham sammich would be better than Santorum), since it's unlikely he'd actively work to overturn Roe if elected. But he's not the best the Dems could have done.

[insane_cratic_gal]

16. I agree

and If push comes to shove I'll vote for Casey over Santorum or the ham sandwich over the Bologna.

[LynneSin]

20. No, that's where you are wrong

everything is an entire package. How much better would we be if all we did was fight for the fetus and do nothing once the child is born.

Choice is an entire package that starts from conception and works it's way until death.

If this is your mentality then that means you are also against Harry Reid and John Murtha - Two people who have dismal ratings against choice.

Sometimes we need to take the damn blinders off and take a look around at what's out there.


Casey Jr. has never once been in a position to make a voting decision either for or against choice including the fact that he can never vote for or against Alito. We all sit here and do happy dances that Santorum is going to be gone in 2006 and yet even I know that's still a difficult task knowing all the softmoney that'll come into this senate race from Religious nutjobs, NRA, anti-choice and other right-wing idealogue. Casey is smart with what he said today and I stand by his decision. The right-wingers love nothing more than turning a campaign into single-issue items that tringer the heart-strings and voting trends of america. That's why Bush focused so much on the marriage amendment and anti-embryonic stem cell research. BECAUSE HE HAD NO OTHER FUCKING PLATFORM TO RUN THE RACE ON. So if we blind the voters with such hot topic issues then people will forget the important stuff like we're all getting poor, life is getting more expensive and this war is a fucking nightmare.

Casey does NOT want to bring that into this campaign because it will play right into the "T-Zone" of Pennsylvania where political ideologies run from moderate to uber-conservative. And like I said, Harry Reid is also anti-choice but no one is complaining about him.

[VelmaD]

22. You spin it to yourself however you have to...

to be able to vote for Casey. But choice in this context is not about conception to death. And choice is not about programs for children (which I support whole-heartedly). Choice is about control over your own body and your fertility. It's about your right to own your own body.

And I for one do complain about Reid and Murtha. I have NO time for politicians who don't believe I have the right to make decisions for myself just because I was born without a penis.

[LynneSin]

26. Sweetie - don't get dizzy in the process

especially when you don't know anything about Pennsylvania Politics. I've been fighting Rick Santorum for 12 years and trust me, Casey did the right thing today!

[VelmaD]

28. I'm not the one spinning here

And Pennsylvania doesn't have a corner on rabid, mouth-breathing, fundie nuts. Hell, I think Texas invented them. That doesn't make supporting this nominee the right thing for ANY Democrat anywhere to do.

And it's not just about choice. There are so many other things Alito has done that should scare the bejeezus out of the public. How can you expect people to want to vote for Casey if they don't see any real difference between him and Santorum?

Saying he would vote for Alito shows that he puts politics ahead of principles...and you can't tell me the voters don't see that.

[LynneSin]

37. Well I suppose in your world you're probably right

:P

[silvermachine]

39. What???

<<<And actually I would define both of them as pro-choice since both of them work hard to take care of the children once they are born>>>

You might want to pass that little gem on to Planned Parenthood or NARAL and see how it goes over. Geez.

[still_one]

32. This is more than about pro-choice

Yes, I am pro-choice, but this is about destroying the seperation of powers

Boy am I glad I live in California

[BlueEyedSon]

7. Chuch Pennacchio, please!

http://www.chuck2006.com/

[insane_cratic_gal]

8. I love Chuck but he's done no

campaigning here in Western PA! He has to carry western PA to win it.

[LynneSin]

11. Anyone who doesn't understand why he did this doesn't understand.....

Pennsylvania Politics.

And not only did Casey say it, but so did Ed Rendell who is the very pro-choice governor of the state.

Ron Klink was almost identical to Casey in political stance and ran against Rick Santorum, who was still not very popular. Klink's biggest problem was the fact that he had no money to run against Santorum. And Santorum along with his powerful allies ran commericials all over the country and especially in the "T-Zone" which is the red part of the state.

Tricky Rick and his powerful, rich backers including Right-wing Ideologues, Fundamentalists and the NRA would love nothing more than to run commericials against Casey painting him as a 'liberal'. And the word 'liberal' scares the bejesus out of 'T-Zone' Pennsylvanians because they start thinking they'll be taxed more, god will be taken out of church and their guns will all be taken away & melted.

Casey can't vote for Alito and neither can Ed Rendell. So why should they risk a smear from right-wing nut jobs?

Originally Casey didn't even want to answer the question, which is what he should have done. But put to the task some may say he wimped out but personally I'm not worried about this.

[sandnsea]

15. We'll never win President

That's why. I don't have so much of a problem with Casey's position, but Rendell?? He could have used mining or labor rights to reject Alito. I know exactly what you mean about the liberal label, but if we don't start neutralizing some of this outside of the Presidential elections, we'll never ever win them.

[LynneSin]

23. How did Bush 'win' in 2004

* Economy is tanking
* Cost of Living is way up
* War is taking an absolute wrong turn
* Bush is running against a decorated war veteran and Bush was AWOL
* Hell, need me to go on with everything else?

Bush 'won' (and believe me I use that term quite loosely since we know Ohio was fixed) by ignoring the real issues and creating false ones to scare Americans

"OOO, gays could marrage and the world will end"
"Scientists want to kill lil babies and use their cells to clone"
"9/11 9/11 9/11"

None of those above issues are real. Nothing will change if gays can marry, the embroyos used for stem-cell research would have been destroyed anyways and 9/11 was 5 years ago but we're not any safer!

Rick Santorum will use the same exact tactics because he did so with Ron Klink (who ideologically is much like Casey) back in 2000. Hell the only commericals I ever saw on TV even I started thinking Santorum was warm & loveable and that Klink was evil re-incarnate.

We could all learn something from Alito when it comes to campaigning. Sometimes it's just best to not even discuss the real issues since they can and will be held against you but instead just say what needs to be said in order to get the position earned.

That's the future of politics including presidental campaigns

[sandnsea]

30. The liberal label

You just said it in your own post, people vote against what they perceive liberal to stand for. And yes, I agree that we would have been MUCH better off to avoid abortiona and racism in regards to Alito because people just yawn whenever Democrats bring up those issues. That appears to be our choice, dump them as issues and get clobbered by our core supporters; divert to new issues; or figure out how to talk about them in a new way.

[still_one]

34. That is the democrats own fault

They are the ones who allowed it to happen. I AM A LIBERAL!!!

Not a progressive, or some "new democrat"

I am for social security and medicare, and not off-shoring jobs at the expense of people here, or invading countries based on lies

[sandnsea]

35. Doesn't change the problem

Denying that there are large numbers of people moving away from the traditional social issues of the Democratic Party doesn't fix anything.

[silvermachine]

41. Wrong, wrong...

...A thousand times wrong....people aren't moving away from the "traditional social issues of the Democratic Party". They are moving away from a party that lacks the guts and conviction to effectively espouse what they stand for. If indeed they stand for anything anymore. Some of the remarks I've seen on this thread are the most depressing and defeatist I've seen in a long time. Believe me, this kind of weak-kneed bullshit does far more to hurt the party in the long run than any perceived inter-party squabbling or Kerry/Hillary-bashing (otherwise known as political discourse) does.
And I'm from Sharon (Mercer Co.) by the way so I am very familiar with the political mindset in Western Pa.

[still_one]

44. That is exactly how I feel

for six years they have rubber stamped everything this administration has thrown at them

[sandnsea]

56. We had problems YEARS before now

These problems have been a long time coming, we've been on a downhill slide since the 80's.

[sandnsea]

55. Liberal Label

Look, the Democratic Party has been branded with the liberal label, exactly, precisely what LynneSin said. All across the country. You can see with Alito how well abortion and minority rights resonates. We've got a real stampede against him, people are seething just like they did with the Schiavo case, right??? Wrong.

Yes, we do have to stand up for traditional values, I agree. But we also have to face the fact that the way we've been doing it IS NOT working. It isn't as simple as pro-choice and the rights of the poor and minorities. Republicans believe those are fundamental rights that are never going to go anywhere, they believe they're good and decent and more committed than Democrats are. They've convinced themselves we pander and they get things done.

The problem is not balls and spine, the problem is that the Democratic Party gets bogged down in a couple of issues and hasn't broadened to listen to the new needs of all Americans.

[silvermachine]

63. Ok....

...<<<Look, the Democratic Party has been branded with the liberal label, exactly, precisely what LynneSin said. >>>

No. What has happened is that the Democratic Party has allowed the term liberal to be twisted into a caricature. There was a time when liberal did not have the (false) connotations that you fear it is imbued with. This began in earnest with our fielding weak candidates like Michael Dukakis and the inability of our party leaders to craft a compelling way of conveying ideas to the electorate.

<<<You can see with Alito how well abortion and minority rights resonates. We've got a real stampede against him, people are seething just like they did with the Schiavo case, right???>>>

Well, when leaders in the party fail to motivate the base and fail to articulate why these issues are important to independents and swing voters, you get the kind of tepid response you see in this thread.

<<<Yes, we do have to stand up for traditional values, I agree. But we also have to face the fact that the way we've been doing it IS NOT working.>>>

Well, in this we are in agreement.

<<<The problem is not balls and spine, the problem is that the Democratic Party gets bogged down in a couple of issues and hasn't broadened to listen to the new needs of all Americans.>>>

Yeah. Let's not worry about pesky things like "pro-choice and the rights of the poor and minorities." Sure wouldn't want to get bogged down with those things. After all it's only women, the underprivileged and non-whites.

[sandnsea]

64. Well how did that happen???

How did the liberal label caricature happen? What are all the people in western PA and the south and the rural west saying about the liberal caricature? When did they start saying it, before Dukakis? What do they say about it every blessed election cycle?

The attitude is there. It's been there for a long, long time. We need to change the way we talk about abortion, women's issues, the poor, minority rights. We just aren't getting through anymore. Alito is clear evidence of that. It also doesn't mean that the centrist approach is right either, they've caused just as many problems as any liberal caricature.

It's stunning to me that we could have this shell of a man with some truly scary decisions going to the Supreme Court and I would bet 80% of Americans have absolutely no clue why they should be concerned. Sure, you can get the interest groups to say abortion, minority rights, environment; but they still don't understand the Republican ideology that is central to it all. That's where we fail and it's not because of balls and spine, it's because we're not speaking to the changes in needs of the American people.

[silvermachine]

66. Obviously you haven't bothered...

...to read or digest my posts.

<<<How did the liberal label caricature happen?>>>

I just explained it in the earlier posts.
I can't make it any clearer.

<<<When did they start saying it, before Dukakis? What do they say about it every blessed election cycle?>>>

A lot. So we fight back. Let people know what it was like before Roe v. Wade.
Let them know what it was like before the civil rights era.
Be PROUD of our accomplishments and record. Let people know what the real meaning of liberal or progressive is, rather than run away from it or pretend it's the nutty aunt/uncle that we hide in the attic.

[sandnsea]

68. Yeah, we change the way we talk

Gee. That's what I said.

[still_one]

43. when they are directly affected, things will change

when their kids get sent to iraq, when they can't afford a prescription, when their job gets offshored, then things will change

[CTLawGuy]

54. Bush didn't win by trying to sound like a democrat

his issues may be bullshit but at least he took a firm stand on them. The Democratic party is out of power because people don't know what we stand for.

Ok, if casey says he'd vote for Scalito, and Santorum says he'll vote for scalito, who does that impress? The people who like Alito will vote for Santorum anyway, because he'll be a better conservative than Casey.

[sandnsea]

57. Oh yes he did

He promised to support the AWB. He promised to unite. He ran on education and health care. He never said anything about privatizing social security. He promised to not develop Yucca Mtn. He promised to not nation build and not start wars without exit plans. I would bet mostly, he promised to not squander the surplus and I think even Democrats were afraid that's what another Democrat would do. He most certainly ran on the most important issues to Democrats in 2000.

[silvermachine]

65. Ok...

..."He most certainly ran on the most important issues to Democrats in 2000."

Then why didn't the Democratic candidate win, Supreme Court and vote ripoff notwhithstanding?

Because Gore ran a weak campaign (Donna Brazille anyone?), tried to get GOP votes (yeah, his running away from Bill Clinton and the triumphs of their administration really helped, along with his stance on Elian Gonzalez...) and adopted the DLC playbook (principles be damned, defeat at any cost!).

[sandnsea]

67. Because of the liberal label

You get everything the Democrat promises, without having anybody call you a pantywaist.

And, without quotas. Without endless welfare programs. Without whining about Christmas programs at school. Without having laws to protect water bugs in rain puddles. Without higher taxes. Without interference in the way you parent your kids. Without endless nannying over cigarettes and video games. Without feel-good foreign aid programs. Without letting rapists and murderers out of jail.

Get the picture?

[silvermachine]

77. Great GOP talking points...

..at least now I know where you REALLY stand.

[sandnsea]

81. In-cred-ible

You asked why people who ought to be voting for Democrats vote for Republicans. I told you. I don't vote Republican and never have, so duh, I wouldn't be one of those people, now would I?

For somebody who claims to live in the heart of red country, you sure don't seem to know much about the way they think.

[silvermachine]

78. Because of the liberal label?

We lost because someone called us a name? Ha ha ha ha...
But actually it's true. And you are part and parcel of it. The problem that is. You are the true pantywaist here.

[CTLawGuy]

74. 2004, Im talking about

I agree he passed himself off as moderate in 2000.

[sandnsea]

83. He did in 2004 too, somewhat

Alot of moderates really believe "healthy forests" is a good thinning program, NCLB holds schools accountable, HSA's will solve the health insurance crisis, he respects gays because he wouldn't object to civil unions, he supports women's issues because he says "working moms". He picks up just enough language to give the moderate an out to vote Republican. And I still say they vote against the liberal label, particularly in presidential elections.

[farmbo]

25. Thanks for the Pa. Update....Don't forget Alito's Philly fanaticism.

That probably makes Alito a beloved figure in the eastern part of the state.

BTW...Rendell's support for Alito is literally on the front page of the RNC website.

We outlanders are seeing a great deal of silliness in that campaign. I can't wait until its over and Sanitorium is back selling insurance.

[mmonk]

19. Alot of dems like the suicide strategy.

[still_one]

27. why is he a democrat

if the democrats DO NOT do everything they can to stop this nomination, including filibuster, the DNC will NOT get another penny from me

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. He is strongly opposed to cutting government social programs

His favorite quote is something that Hubert Humphrey said: "The moral test of a government is how it treats those in the dawn of life, those in the shadows of life, and those in the twilight of life."

[still_one]

46. that is all fine and good

but why is he against seperation of powers, because that is exactly what he is saying when he indicates he would vote for alito

either he is pandering, believes it, or is a fool

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. Perhaps it is the abortion issue

He may be seeking to protect those "in the dawn of life."

[drm604]

42. I'm not crazy about Casey.

As you can see from my sig, I'm supporting Pennacchio in the Primary. But, if Casey wins the primary (and unfortunately, he's the one I'd put my money on) then I will support him and vote for him. The fact is, like it or not, in PA Casey can win on name recognition alone. And he is better then Santorum (which isn't saying much).
I've already started to get phone calls asking me to volunteer for Casey. I haven't returned any of them. After the primaries I may, but I will be supporting the lesser evil. :(

[Mandate My Ass]

45. I love Chuck P.

I'm starting to believe I won't vote for Casey no matter what and not because I'm a one-issue voter. Casey is, and his coming out in support of Alito when he has no stake in that vote sickens me. :puke:

[drm604]

49. I understand how you feel.

But the big prize here is taking control of the Senate away from the Republicans. If it takes supporting Casey to do that then so be it. I hate the party moving to the right in order to get votes, but that's a longer term issue that we all have to fight for from the grassroots level (by supporting people like Pennacchio in the primaries, for example). In the meantime, we need to at least minimize the damage as much as possible.

[princehal]

51. COMPROMISE SUCKS SOMETIMES

nt

[Tom Joad]

72. This ain't compromise, this is complete surrender.

[wisteria]

58. Any Dem, even a pro life Dem is 1000 times better than Santorum. n/t

[Mandate My Ass]

59. He's not pro-life, he's anti-choice

He supports the Iraq invasion and the death penalty.

[Tom Joad]

73. He's anti-civil liberties, pro-dictatorship.

[Algorem]

60. "DLC Golden Boy Casey French Kisses Alito "

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_060125_dlc_golden_boy_casey.htm

by Rob Kall


http://www.opednews.com

I started off titling this Casey supports Alito. But that was too weak. "Embraces" -- still not strong enough. So... maybe their lips didn't touch, but the thought of their tongues intertwined is about equal in disgustingness to the idea of a blue state Senatorial candidate endorsing the very essence of right wing extremism-- Samuel Bush-can't-do-anything-wrong Alito.

How much proof does any Democrat need that the DLC is a toxic, destructive, republican influence on the Democratic party. Their favorite son, their "golden boy" choice to run against Rick Santorum in what will be the most watched campaign of 2006, has come out in support of Sam the unitary-presidency-fascist Alito.

So far, the only elected Democrat to support Alito has been Ben Nelson, the closest thing to Zell Miller in the senate. But at least he has an excuse. He's a democratic senator in a red state. Casey is just a shill for right wing counter agents in the democratic party.

Counteragents? Am I going down the deep conspiracy theory end? Maybe. Maybe Harry Reid, another antiabortion Dem is going to lead the senate to filibuster Alito, but so far it doesn't look that way. Maybe the Democratic leadership that is supporting Casey has picked losers for the past 40+ years of regular senate elections. If they are not counter-agents working with the corporations that rule the Republicans, they are just flat out losers...

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. Casey has never been associated with the DLC

Casey is liberal on economic issues, while the DLC tends to support more moderate views in this area.

[Algorem]

69. Rob Kall's a dingbat

[Freddie Stubbs]

76. Agreed. Please stop posting his dingbat falsehoods.

;)

[Horse with no Name]

62. In my opinion

If I lived in PA, I wouldn't vote for him for this statement.
He just proved he would be willing to at best, vote against my interests for political gain and at worst, lie for political gain.
What would he put forth that would make me think he wouldn't use his power for political gain?
There are enough of those slimeballs in Washington.
We surely don't need any more with a (D) behind their name.

[Tom Joad]

70. Scum of the earth award.... to be shared by Casey and Santorum.

[wisteria]

71. Attacking Casey and not supporting him is what the Santorum

camp is hoping will happen. We can't abandon a good Dem or one issue- he isn't even voting- and play into their hands.

[VegasWolf]

75. If my senator said that I would either stay home or vote 3rd party. nt

[enough already]

80. Well, at least Casey is Pro-Choice.....

Oh, you mean he's actually further right than Sanitorium on Choice? Just great.