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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:07 PM
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House Authorizes $401 Billion Defense Bill
AP via FOX (sorry to have a FAUX link but thought the story was important nonetheless)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102549,00.html

WASHINGTON — A $401 billion defense bill approved by the House on Friday would grant Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld (search) the increased control he sought over 700,000 civilian employees - a change the Pentagon says will free more troops for combat positions.

Democrats opposed provisions of the bill affecting the civilian work force, nuclear weapons research (search) and environmental laws. But most joined Republicans in a 362-40 vote for the bill authorizing 2004 defense programs.

"There is so much in this bill that takes care of the troops, their families, their needs, their capability of waging war - and we are at war," said Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee.

The bill increases soldiers' pay by an average of 4.15 percent and extends recent raises in combat and family separation pay.

The Senate is likely to approve the bill early next week. It would then go to President Bush for his signature.

...more...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:16 PM
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1. Could this be the New Deal Republican style?
They would never spend this much money to create civilian jobs during a time of peace. So, instead, they're going to start us down the Orwellian path which will give them the economic numbers they're looking for in job growth by waging war. Instead of GM, we'll be a military-industrial economy.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:19 PM
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2. Ooooh!
Pithy comment, ROTFLMAO!
Love black humor!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:37 PM
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5. Given the # of conflicts we're in and the draft to make a comeback...
you could be very right.

This also nails another coffin the United States is lying down in.

But we're not industrial as we keep shipping jobs overseas in the name of greed and exploitation. Anything we make here would be devoted to military causes, and even then it'll be cheaper to do outside then export in.

We're becoming an economy of service, exploitation, and military conquest.

Obviously, the United States is in a sheer state of paranoid desperation as it has wantonly said "fuck off" to the international community in a rash pursuit of everything appearing to be against it. This suggests the United States has a few monkeys, skeletons, and other bad things in its closet that it doesn't want everybody to see. Other countries have terrorism and other things and they're not acting like a bunch of maladjusted psychotic sociopaths. (of course, now it wants international help and if the international community decides to help us then the whole of civilization is doomed.)

If we're not now, our soldiers will be defending a soulless, empty husk. Not a thriving, compassionate, idolized-in-the-pursuit-of-goodness country. They are fighting for ideals which have never truly existed. They are fighting for the wealthy so the wealthy can keep their wealth. As a country, the United States is close to death.

And it's sad.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:41 PM
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6. We are so stupid as a nation that I wouldn't be surprised
to hear that we're outsourcing our weapons manufacturing. We'll be shooting the enemy with M-16s made in Taiwan.

Yeah, let's hear it for globilization!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:59 PM
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9. As a nation. Fortunately, some individuals are still smart...
Thank goodness for DU, in all honesty! (we may bicker amongst ourselves, but we still see the true evil and who* it is.)

But, globalization... Even with regulation, the instant an elected Dem allow it, the repukes will come along and remove the regulation and control - reenabling the extortion and exploitation which is currently happening.

On the plus side, the people making the outsourced weapons might keep a few for themselves... Or is that a minus side? I'm so disenchanted with America, I don't even know anymore. :-(

Hey, just saw an advert for America's Most Wanted - Johnboy Walsh is teaming up with the Department of "Homeland Security"(tm). Gee Johnny, did your show capture all of America's nasty criminals yet? If not, then don't stray from your crusade into somebody else's, especially when YOUR crusade actually has some merit and has a greater chance of success. Don't let another kidnapper/child molester/murderer roam around free because you're now kissing up (and licking up) to the repukes, who you think would get you more ratings. Oh yeah, I forgot, you are a repuke. Pig.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:51 PM
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12. I agree.Sadly even here many will not accept this truth..
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:29 PM
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3. We're at war...
Depends on who you ask.

We've done more than our share of invasions.

Invasion is not war. Especially when they lack the same weapons to play the game on equal level.

This is not a war, it's the actions of a petty petulant bully, no good at anything or no good FOR anything.

And the Dems who support these atrocities are not Democrats, nor people who should have any power or control in a civilized world.

Of course, I also have implied the world is not civilizied. Oh well, life is what we make of it. Funny how we often choose what we don't like.

I'm dangerously close to voting Green for all except President. I will not recognize the authority of these vermin. Go ahead and punch me in the balls, I will not support evil, even when it's the lesser evil. Not anymore.

On the plus side, at least the soldiers' pay gets increased, though they get tons of perks and great veterans' benefits when they leave the service.

I want to support the troops, but I want to support justice and morality as well - qualities the United States lacks, and I'm not just talkin' our ability to destroy things and kill people.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:37 PM
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4. The Dems are acting pretty unconvincing as opponents.
A person just waits and waits for a sign that they're on the same page with their constituents, and ... nothing.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:53 PM
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8. So what does John Q Public think?
Though I'm about to get really depressed, I have to wonder what the public thinks, when you consider that liberal/progressive nonfiction books have been doing considerably better than the repuke books. Unless more repukes watch tv than books, and that would make sense and I'm not about to make a very harsh glib generalization about people who watch the televised media...

Witness the sadder side of American life in 2003:

The repukes are calling ALL the shots.

The Dems in power readily capitulate, basically saying "We're just like you". (meanwhile we on DU and other pockets of people who remembered how to THINK know those in power are flat out wrong and are now less likely to vote for them, knowing what spineless cretins they are.) Consider what many a person would do: if they saw a person calling the shots and then saw other people effectively saying "we're just like you, Mr. person calling the shots", why the hell would they consider them unless the one calling the shots died? Add a nail to the Democratic Coffin for this insult alone. The Democrats are killing themselves by doing this, and do they realize it? They, the public, are just as likely to vote repuke anyway.

Nobody's ever heard of any other political party, except for the generic term "3rd party", yet alone taken them seriously (thanks to the media of either major party affiliation telling the sheeple that voting 3rd party is "a waste", and remember that BOTH major parties have many corporate interests and most 3rd parties are for the people, not the corporation.) Since when do you hear about a 3rd party in anything, unless it's in a negative light? Once again, the media is calling the shots and it is not a liberal media.

I fear Bush and his repuke friends will win in 2004. And not necessarily because of the people but because the Dem candidates have been so frigging stupid with their "I can do it too, just like you, look at meeeeeeeee!" attitude. And will the public, or anybody, believe "bipartisanship" as an excuse? Bill Clinton was bipartisan and look how he was treated throughout his tenure, and beyond. ANother nail in the Dem coffin, we capitulate and cooperate and they'll spill acid onto our collective crotch in the end anyway.

And even if Bushco lost, how much difference would a Dem majority make? With all the tax cuts, any tax increases will not be tolerated of. The pukes and the media have made damn certain that new taxes or raised taxes are evil, even if they themselves raise taxes/costs. No Dem can even begin to add social programs.

And, no, even if a 3rd party won a clean sweep of the US government (how I'll wish that to my grave and beyond) - or a truly totally progressive Dem party (meaning no "centrists", sorry), the pukes have done so much damage that the public won't be able to tolerate massive change. They'd have a collective nervous breakdown.

Quite frankly, we're going down a road that has no turns and blocks us off from the rear.

Whether it be the national debt, the invasions and so-called "wars", right down to puke-oriented popaganda and brainwashing, I think America is screwed and the public did it to itself. We lost it when we allowed politicians to get away with crooked acts. We then killed ourselves when we stoped caring about politicians and what they do. All the public wants is an empathic act. That's why they loved Reagan, the destructive ACTOR. And that is why Bush II, the antichrist who claims to come in the name of God yet causes wars and misery around the globe, is still popular.)
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:49 PM
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11. Yup
It's the Colmes Dem Party.

Apologies to Mr. Franken.

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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:50 PM
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7. Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator?
Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator.

Who names these things?

Guess just a simple Nuclear Earth Penetrator wasn't enough.

from the article:
The bill lifts a decade-old ban on research into low-yield nuclear weapons and authorizes $15 million for continued research into the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (search), a powerful nuclear weapon capable of destroying deep underground bunkers. The administration would have to return to Congress before development of the weapons begins.

Republicans said there is no harm in exploring weapons that may be needed one day to destroy hidden stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. Democrats said the provision could trigger a new arms race and increase the likelihood of nuclear war.

Robust.

Makes me feel like pulling the covers up over my head and wishing the boogeyman away.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:45 PM
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10. Yes, it would be ironic if we declared war on China,
only to discover that all our ammunition was manufactured there. And what good would it do to destroy underground bunkers if Robust Not Funny Microbes were being bred in several hundred secret laboratories around the world - mostly in nations threatened with pre-emptive annihilation at the hands of the Bush and Cheney comedy team?

Do you ever find yourself praying that another nation (or coalition) stops us in our tracks before we destroy ourselves? Could Belgium do what the Democrats won't?
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