57% Back a Hit on Iran if Defiance Persists

[sabra]

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-fornpoll27jan27,0,1568613.story?coll=ny-leadworldnews-headlines

57% Back a Hit on Iran if Defiance Persists
The war has not diminished Americans' support for military action against Iraq's neighbor if nuclear pursuits aren't dropped.


WASHINGTON — Despite persistent disillusionment with the war in Iraq, a majority of Americans supports taking military action against Iran if that country continues to produce material that can be used to develop nuclear weapons, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

The poll, conducted Sunday through Wednesday, found that 57% of Americans favor military intervention if Iran's Islamic government pursues a program that could enable it to build nuclear arms.

Support for military action against Tehran has increased over the last year, the poll found, even though public sentiment is running against the war in neighboring Iraq: 53% said they believe the situation there was not worth going to war.

The poll results suggest that the difficulties the United States has encountered in Iraq have not turned the public against the possibility of military actions elsewhere in the Middle East.

[Earth_First]

1. Enough with the public polling already. It's already in the cards...

so why go through the motions and insult the rest of us?

:mad:

[rfranklin]

2. the morons never learn...they are being lead by the nose into Iran...

just like Iraq.

[applegrove]

3. Give Iran the airplane parts for civilian aircraft they crave. Then it

will be over. Oh wait. The bourse. What is it that the USA has that will cause Iran to give up anti-semitism, nukes in the future, & the bourse?

What a nightmare.

[leftchick]

4. are they puting kool-aide in the public water systems now

:banghead:

[0007]

5. Why am I suspicious of the number of people supporting a strike

on Iran?

Is it because this has been the same old rhetoric for days now and the polls I've seen doesn't warrant such action on Iran?

[EFerrari]

80. Whose poll is this? A WH show of hands? I'm with you.

This is propaganda. Even we are that stupid. lol

[Stockholm]

6. "Defiance" ?

Sigh...

57 percent of that poll is :dunce::es

[BlueManDude]

34. I know "Defiance" how about the notion of "sovereignty" ?

[cali]

7. Now this is depressing.

We need dem leaders to stand up against an attack on Iran. I don't expect much. To me, this is at least as important as Alito. Make that more important; the danger is more imminent.

[tanyev]

8. God Bless America.

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

[Blue_Tires]

62. wow...is that from a song or a movie?

[tanyev]

64. You must be a young whippersnapper!

That is from Arlo Guthrie's great opus, "Alice's Restaurant."

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
(Excepting Alice)
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

[qanda]

9. They should add to that question

Do you support the draft that will be necessary, if and when, we strike Iran? Let's see where Americans really are on this issue.

[2Design]

10. who are these mythical 57% - the BFEE is 57% now??? n/t

[Deja Q]

14. If the conditions are right, I must be one of them.

See my other post. Iran has shown itself TO be a threat - a REAL threat - even if it's not directly related to the US at this point. It indirectly would start WW3, and we'd indirectly be turned to burnt toasty goo by a bomb sent by any of Iran's supporters (China, Russia, et al)

[leveymg]

48. You mean if the wind conditions carry the fallout away from YOUR house?

"If the conditions are right." !!!!!!!

[MisterP]

67. yes, war will keep us from being killed

[zanne]

52. Polling companies don't do it for free...

They take polls for clients who pay them to take polls. Like most businesses, they want to please their clients so they'll come back again. I'm more interested in who hired the polling company than who the pollsters are.

[shantipriya]

11. 57%

This time only those who support the war should do the fighting. No more sacrifice from the poorer segment of the society!

[pdurod1]

12. Seems like N. Korea has fallen off the radar...

[Deja Q]

15. I wonder why.

Waiting for Reunification; as South Korea ditched the dollar some time ago and as such is no longer our friend?

[Deja Q]

13. *'s recent support of the Russia deal with Iran shows * thinks differently

Attack won't happen regardless.

And the DUers who think the Iran talk was solely a gaggle of lies will be relieved.

I doubt Iran has the means to deliver nukes to the US, but they do have the means to launch WW3 if their insane leader decides to really blow Israel off the face of the map, as he was frothing over during a statement he made several months ago...

[Demeter]

20. I'll See Your Insane Iranian Leader and Raise With One US Insane Leader

Enough of this bluffing.

[The Stranger]

38. I am glad you "doubt" they have the means because not even the most

war-mongering, Christofascist, Neocon Totalitarian can lie enough to say they have an intercontinental delivery system.

And this notion that a cricket chirping in Idaho could cause an avalanche in Prussia is something of a stretch.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. D-R-A-F-T Line up, young republicans - it's your turn.

[Raydawg1234]

88. I don't know about young rebublicans, but I am a young democrat,

and if there is a draft, I will be out in the streets chanting, "Hell No, I won't Go!"

I would never join an army under the command of GWB.

[Frank Cannon]

17. This same 57% should have NO PROBLEM with being drafted...

to go fight Iran.

Yeah, right. :eyes:

[adigal]

18. HaHa!! With what army???

'merickans are easily fooled, aren't they?? But you know what?? The more they fight them over there, the less they have to round us up and put us in camps over here? You know?? So maybe we should only let Democrat soldiers come home.

[TheCowsCameHome]

32. Operation Yellow Elephant - All the RWinger's kids this time

[hatrack]

19. 57% harbor delusions of safe, cost-free war

Without goals, limits or definitions.

57% are stupid fucking assholes.

[raccoon]

22. I believe the polls are either made up or stacked.

BUt I agree, probably a great many people still harbor delusions of safe, cost-free war.

[saigon68]

36. UPDATE TO THIS SONG

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Iran-nam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Iran-nam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

[kineneb]

40. ...and its one, two, three,...etc.

Yup. I said this about Battlefield #1 (Afghanistan) and #2 (Iraq). Wonder when the neocons will volunteer their kiddies to fight for Glorious Leader's dystopia.

[saigon68]

83. They (cowards)never will do anything more than yellow ribbon magnets

They will NEVER get anyone in my family again.

NEVER EVER

[Zynx]

21. And people wonder why I distrust direct democracy....

[lovuian]

23. This is BS Republican BS!!!

:crazy:

[sadiesworld]

24. Is this really all that surprising?

Where is the opposition to Bushco's increasingly hawkish stance toward Iran? At least with Iraq there was some identifiable dissent buzz coming from the left and the international community.

Once again, DUers are quick to pounce on the stupidity of the "sheeple" while ignoring the absolute failure of the dems to provide any leadership.

[tatertop]

47. Sadly, we are seeing almost no opposition from the Democrats

[cantstandbush]

25. Face it. Most Americans don't have a clue! n/t

[meganmonkey]

26. Oh god here we go

:cry:

[leveymg]

50. The Pentagon isn't going to sacrifice itself to save BushCo on this one

Not after Iraq. There's no winnable scenario. The Pentagon has wargamed this, and there's no outcome that doesn't escalate out of control into a general regional war. Unlike Iraq, the Iranians have chemical and bio warheads, and the Israelis would retaliate with nukes. The Pakistanis would enter against Israel. We're looking at 10-20 million dead.

Nobody wins. It's not going to happen.

[Bushwick Bill]

77. Stan Goff agrees

Many of you know Stan, retired US Army Special Forces and former West Point instructor. Stan put together a very thoughtful piece today explaining why an invasion of any type is not going to happen. For the most part, it put me at ease. But, he concluded with this: "So there is my argument for why Iran can rest easy for now. But… A stupid person is a real thing." Here is an intro to his and Mike Ruppert's companion piece:

<snip> If that’s too fancy, here’s the simple version: back the dollar with gold, and it’s a solid currency. Back the dollar with a solid manufacturing economy, and it’s a stable currency. Back the dollar with petroleum trading and military force, and you’re o.k. — so long as you’ve got enough military force to prevent oil-rich countries from selling their oil outside the dollar. Because if that happens, then the dollar is backed with nothing but propaganda and it will collapse.

That could be brought about in several different ways, alone or in combination. A plunge in the dollar would hurt the rest of the world, especially China, whose goods are sold here in profusion. If the Chinese develop their own domestic market for their exports, China will no longer need to sponsor American debt so that American consumers can buy Chinese products with crypto-Chinese money. It will be a long time (if ever, given the realities of Peak Oil and Gas) before the general population of the Middle Kingdom has enough Yuan in its pocket to buy what it manufactures. But if China and her allies and dependents are sufficiently threatened by American imperial behavior, it will make sense for them to injure the dollar much sooner. That is to say, the higher America’s level of risk-prone insanity, the sooner it will be reasonable for the rest of the world to sacrifice its own short-term economic interests in exchange for long-term freedom and security.

It’s like 1971. In that year, U.S. domestic oil production peaked just as the dollar standard was moved from gold to Saudi oil under the strain of runaway military spending in a heroin-soaked quagmire. Today, there is the same military sinkhole (with the dope coming from Afghanistan’s Golden Crescent instead of Vietnam’s Golden Triangle), the same peak energy pattern (with the Peak in both Oil and Gas, this time at the planetary level), the same sudden need for a new foundation under America’s inflationary currency (if you can find a new one, let us know – we also want a new place to move domestic debt now that the dotcom bubble has been drained into the housing bubble, now being drained into default).

Iran will open a euro-denominated oil trading bourse this March if the U.S. (perhaps via Israel) does not attack it. But if the U.S. does attack Iran in an attempt to prevent this, the rest of the world will dump the dollar to reign in American aggression. Remember that 3-D medical graphic with the tumor in the middle? If you listen hard enough, through the anesthesia of the Golden Globe Awards you can just about discern Doctor Thermodynamics turning to Nurse Dialectic and saying “scalpel.” –JAH]
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012706_deadman_walking_summary.shtml

[dipsydoodle]

27. The Iranian oil bourse

I figure that at least 57% of the American public have no knowledge of Iran's oil bourse and that an act of aggression may simply speed up their intended transition to petro-euros. I have visions of millions of muslims doing a karaoke to the tune of Goodbye Dolly Gray with Dolly substututed by Dollars - Goodbye Dollar we must leave you..........

[Barrett808]

43. Welcome to DU, edward!

:hi:

[Peace Patriot]

28. Well, I've been defending the American people for two years now,

partly because I was so inspired by the huge disapproval of Bush's war on Iraq, way back in Feb. '03, before the invasion. 58%! Across the board in all polls. They didn't trust Bush. They saw through the lies. 58% is huge, in the midst of that relentless disinformation campaign.

Other stats influenced me, too--63% opposed to torture "under any circumstances" (May '04). In fact, there is a strong case to be made for an overwhelming progressive majority in this country, based on the issue polls (and bolstered by Bush/Cheney's miserable approval ratings).

So this stat--57% for military intervention in Iran, if they pursue nuclear weapons--has got me puzzled. And I'm tempted to light into the American people as stupid sheeple, the way other DUers sometimes do.

How can they give Bush a 38% approval rating (!), and trust what this incredible liar and criminal says about Iran? How can they not see that military intervention--likely bombings--will kill INNOCENT people, without trial, without defense, without recourse, as we slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq, and tortured many more? And, finally, how on earth can they not see that our Constitutional government is hanging by the merest of threads, due to Bush's grabbing of king-like powers of spying, torture, murder and pre-emptive war without opposition, and with no accountability?

I don't know. Like I said, I'm tempted by the sheeple meme. Did they resist all the brainwashing on Iraq, and on every other matter from the 9/11 standdown of the Air Force/NORAD to tax cuts for the rich amidst trillion dollar deficits, and vote these bastards out of office in 2004, and get Diebolded, and finally just get tired of resisting, and have now succumbed to the unrelenting message that common sense is no longer relevant? Have the American people succumbed? Have they finally lost their minds?

Before I'd come to that conclusion--especially in view of the strong evidence to the contrary--several things should be considered;

One, that Iran nukes may be real, while Iraq's were fictitious--and Americans just haven't thought of the Constitutional and other consequences of the U.S. UNILATERALLY BOMBING ANOTHER COUNTRY which is MERELY ASSERTING ITS SOVEREIGN *RIGHT* TO PROTECT ITSELF WITH WEAPONS THAT WE OURSELVES AND ISRAEL POSSESSES!!!

Two, that Americans are ignorant of the history of this--that WE destroyed Iranian democracy in 1953, and inflicted them with the horrible, torture-loving Shah for 25 years. The Iranians have NOT forgotten this--and have NO reason to trust our intentions, or Israel's. They are paranoid WITH GOOD REASON. They are scared. They see the entire US military on their border. And Americans don't know this, don't understand this, and are looking at the situation exactly as our war profiteering corporate news monopolies WANT them to look at it.

Three, Americans have really had a lot to take in, in the last couple of years. They may well be psychologically and emotionally exhausted, and their word of mouth system of communication--which has gotten around the corporate media on other matters--is failing to function on this issue. It's just one PNAC campaign too many. They can't take it in--and they reacted, in the cited poll, with kneejerk responses to the questions AS FORMULATED. What they may have really HEARD, in the gist of the questions, was this: Do you want more nuclear weapons introduced into the Middle East situation? WHO would say yes to this? No one! And they may have been sort of tone deaf to the corollary: that it is OUR responsibility to prevent it, and our right to do so.

Four, adding to what may be a syndrome overload: an inability to remember things, for instance, that the Bush junta DESTROYED the CIA's counter-proliferation project, twenty years in the making, headed by Valerie Plame, putting all of our covert agents/contacts at risk of getting killed. Is the Bush junta really looking out for our safety, or are they playing the dirtiest of war profiteering games (and who knows, maybe even have the most radical Iranian mullahs in their pay)? Can Americans--who sussed out the lies on Iraq, way back before the invasion--follow things from day to day, and week to week, on this Iranian matter? Do they need to re-boot their brains?

Things to consider anyway. We really do need to strategize on the basis of truth and reality. I've preached this constantly on the matter of Bushites owning and controlling our election system with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls. We MUST face reality. The reality here may be that 57% of Americans are just WRONG, and, if they did have the right to vote, would vote the wrong way, in favor of bombing Iran in the name of the Holy Roman Empire!

I have often said that our problem is not issues, memes or policies--it is DISENFRANCHISEMENT! Our problem is not educational--it is that the votes are not being COUNTED. On Iran, the problem may well be educational, and a matter of issues and how they are framed.

[sadiesworld]

63. I see no opposition leadership on this issue.

None, nada, zilch. Prior to the Iraq invasion France and Germany voiced their opposition. Multiple leaders on the left wrote articles and went on tv and radio to voice their opposition. My take on the current mesage coming from the politicos is "Bushco was full of shit last time but this time the situation is SERIOUS". :shrug:

(I probably shouldn't be kicking a thread about the stupidity of the "sheeple" :( )

[Raydawg1234]

89. not to mention that the Iranian anti-shipping missiles might destroy the US

fleet in the Gulf. And that the Iranian army might stream over the border into Iraq, And that Iraqi militants have vowed to support Iran...........

The American public has bought into this notion that our military is invincible. Reality though, shows that a war with Iran would be very difficult, and might cost a substantial number of lives. That is unless we use nuclear weapons, but that might set off world war 3.

Thus, I have concluded that the military option is not on the table right now.

[Vidar]

29. This is not believable in light of Bush's 36% approval rating.

[Peace Patriot]

31. I know what you mean, Vidar. It doesn't add up--which makes me

think that the poll was skewed in some way--or maybe that those being polled were taking it as a theoretical question, about more nukes in the Middle East, and not as a Bush telling lies again question (that is, an oil/preemptive war question).

I'm inclined to think the poll was skewed. But we shouldn't rule out the other possibilities (as per my post above), for instance, that Americans are just plain tired--their brains are fried--and have succumbed to the brainwashing and the disinformation in this case--or (and?) their system of communication has not caught up with the facts yet.

[AX10]

42. I want to see the actual question asked.

This seems like BS to me.

[Raydawg1234]

90. Or maybe they just think that war makes for good entertainment on tee vee

[zann725]

30. 57% of WHO? Those who want The Rapture soon?!

n/t

[Straight Shooter]

33. America, the most defiant country in the world, condemns defiance.

Go figure. :eyes:

[alarcojon]

35. Disheartening, but not surprising.

I guess most Americans still think we are some kind of omnipotent world police who can attack anyone, at any time, under the thin veneer of national security, without regard to how many troops we may already have fighting Bush's imperial wars.

Sigh

[saigon68]

37. A COUNTRY OF SHEEP AND RUSTIC FOOLS

GOVERNED BY WAR CRIMINALS, RACIST THUGS AND HOODLUMS

[donkeyotay]

39. How many times will they fall for this shit?

9-11 changed EVERYTHING. Even the Constitution.
Osama, dead or alive.
Saddam Hussein is a bad man. Clearly he has something to hide. Oh yeah,,, he's got nuklar weapons!!!!
Iran, yeah, that's it. Iran's the real threat. Not Korea or statues with tits or abortionists or queers getting married. It's IRAN. Really. We mean it this time.

Why should anyone be surprised if Iran wants to arm itself? Wouldn't this just be another triumph of our foreign policy? Anyone care to change the shit we've been doing to other countries that doesn't seem to bring anything but war and suffering? How about the latest quagmire: Afghanistan? When does Pakistan come home to roost? When does the civil war looming with Kurdistan become WWIII? When do people remember that we've DONE THIS BEFORE and the people who wept and suffered tried to find a better way. The neofascists have been so quick to say that way didn't work, but does theirs?

[BadGimp]

41. I have this article hanging on my office door

a HIT .. is that what it's come to for these people?

WTF is BUsh to these people, Don Corelone??

How vulgar and disgusting.

I wonder what the numbers would be if they asked the question this way:

Would you support a hit on Iran if it meant gas would be $5 a gallon by November and stay there indefinitely?

[Snivi Yllom]

44. the troops will soon be pulled out of Iraq all right

they will be redeployed to Tehran, Bandar 'Abbas, Shiraz, Abadan, Esfehan.......

here we go again

[pinniped]

45. So, the pubic wants another soon to be built war memorial.

Disgusting.

We need:

- Afghanistan War Memorial
- Iraq War Memorial
- Iran War Memorial

For now.

Oh ya, the supposed 57% also think they have toooooooo much civil liberties left.

Fear not, the next war * starts will dismantle those other pesky scribbles on parchment.

[ronnie624]

46. Bombing Iran

"You always get higher support for things like 'military action,' because that could just mean bombing, as opposed to sending troops or going to war," Mueller said. Yes we americans just love a good bombing, don't we.

Are Americans really so filled with foolishness that they don't understand that a bombing campaign against Iran would kill many thousands of women and children? Or do they just not care?

If the proof of behavior is in what we do , not necessarily what we say and Iran has never attacked anyone, then how does one logically conclude that we have a "right" to bomb them?

[alarcojon]

60. They just do not care

Since the first Iraq war, the notion of a clean, surgical air war - bullshit though it is - has stuck in the minds of the vast apolitical legions of Murkans. What's a little "collateral damage"?

And the notion that we can attack anyone anywhere has been around forever and isn't going anywhere.

[Raydawg1234]

91. Don't forget about Iran's anti ship missiles and their chemical and bio

warheads. Unlike Iraq, Iran has a serious retaliatory capability. Their sunburst anti-ship missiles pose a serious threat to American ships an the gulf. And they can also shut down the straits of Hormuz, grounding the world's oil supply to a halt. Chemical and bio weapons being used on Israel could trigger a nuclear response. So, even just a bombing campaign is not easy, and puts thousands of lives at risk. But, the average American is not educated enough to know this. The average American thinks that every country outside the US has a third world military incapable of inflicting damage on the American war machine. This is not the case! I do not know what people will think when they see American aircraft-carriers in flames in the Gulf. But I can guess that it will shatter the confidence of the American people.

[phusion]

49. Headline should read:

57% support the beginning of WW3.

[Tight_rope]

51. WTF...Who are the 57%?...I want to see names...Let them sign up for duty!

:wtf: :mad: :puke: :argh: :spank: :grr: :nuke: :banghead:

[VaYallaDawg]

53. As soon as Condoliar called it a "regime" it was locked and loaded.

[darkism]

54. Let's attack a developed nation...

...that could easily rip our now-tattered military to shreds.

Yea, THAT'S a good idea, alright. These are the same idiots who think we're winning in Iraq and no one has died.

[Army]

55. What the Hell

Let's go after Nova Scotia too. Bunch of jerks.

[hippiegranny]

56. oh yeah? 57% and WHAT ARMY?

That's what I want to know.

[spanone]

57. Ain't we a good Christian nation.

Bomb the fuckers. :sarcasm:

[High Plains]

58. My fellow countrymen

what a bunch of assholes.

[HuffleClaw]

59. suuuuuuure

its how the questions are worded that is key. that story has no link to the poll itself i see.

[JeffR]

61. 57% my chicken-fried, all-American ass

This is as bogus as the average Snotty press-briefing.

Bullshit.

[oblivious]

65. "51% say the Iraq war is really part of Washington's war on terrorism"

There's no hope!

[agincourt]

66. Therin lies the problem,

a willingness to use military force on a third world country, that people assume will use WMD on us if available. The worst attack on the US was arranged in a failed state that couldn't build WMD for the life of them. The corporate feudalists always wave the red blanket of WMD to get wars against third world countries. Like the non-sentient bull we charge.

[IndianaGreen]

68. I wonder how will they feel when Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz.

How many of our armchair warriors will be able to afford refueling their vehicles when gasoline is over $10 a gallon, if they are lucky to find any gas?

[oblivious]

69. Here's the complete poll report with questions.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-poll27jan27,0,510814.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines

[ronnie624]

79. "But most of those surveyed...

believed Bush's policies had made the nation more secure. And a plurality say they trusted him more than they did Democrats to protect the country against terrorism..." :eyes:

[oblivious]

84. Some more sad results. READ THIS AND WEEP.

1. 46% say Bush is honest and trustworthy

2. 52% said Bush's policies had made the nation more secure

3. 48% approve of his job in the war on terrorism

4. 41% approve on his job re the situation in Iraq

5. 55% say neither the US nor insurgents are winning the war in Iraq

6. 59% said Congress should reauthorize the Patriot Act.

7. 51% say give up civil liberties for safety from terrorism

8. 53% say wouldn't mind if phone calls were being monitored by the U.S. government as part of the fight against terrorism


Do 4 and 5 make sense???? How can people approve if they don't think the US is even winning? For that matter does any of this make sense? How can this be? Americans willingly giving up their freedoms? It goes against everything I ever learned about America and Americans.

[Raydawg1234]

93. lots of Americans don't really understand what freedom means anymore

[leesa]

70. Then 57% of Americans are gullible idiots.

Americans must be the most cowardly people on the planet.

[truth2power]

71. Nobody asked me! n/t

[seg4527]

72. when this happens

it's time to riot.

[EndElectoral]

73. I suppose we could draft the Bush girls.

[Dan]

74. I guess we would also like $7.50 a gallon gas

but that is just a WAG. Gas prices would probably drop to less than a dollar.

[Guaranteed]

75. Goin' the way of Rome.

Later, America. You're too stupid- sorry!

[antonialee839]

76. Apparently 57% of us have no idea how thinly stretched our

military is right now, and have to be down right stupid not to have learned a freaking thing from the Iraq debacle. Just as dumb as the pResident they follow.

[Emillereid]

78. As I've said before, Americans are too stupid to live with!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

81. I've come to accept that the majority are too stupid to live

And they're begging the rest of the world to put them out of their misery.

[deadparrot]

82. I'm so fucking tired of this.

I'm just so tired. Let's just invade every goddamn country on earth. Maybe that'll calm them the hell down. Short of that, I don't know what it'll take. One word from the boy king's mouth, and he's got massive support for whatever fucking quagmire he wants. :banghead:

Where do these armchair generals propose we get the massive army needed to build another state? This isn't fucking Lord of the Rings, with soldiers magically materializing from a bunch of goo. These are human beings. There's only a fixed number of them available. And they're already in Iraq.

So unless these imbeciles are ready to sign themselves or their offspring up for military duty, they'd better stay the hell away from me.

[maryallen]

85. Bullshit poll!

I don't believe it.

Pure propaganda.

[Massacure]

86. Bush settle his differences over a game of cards? Naaaaaaaah.

I really do think that is a bust.

[pro_blue_guy]

87. SCARY

WWIII in the making???

[SoCalDem]

92. Wow..what a surprise that Newsday is the source.

This in-your-face stuff needs to STOP..yesterday

Schoolyard bully style diplomacy is the oxymoron of the millennium.

I wish the rest of the world would wise up, and just lay low for a few more years. This freak will hopefully be headed out with his warmongering pals, and maybe the sane ones left can start to put the pieces back together.

This is all so reminiscent of the pre missile crisis days.. and people are not as smart now as they were then:scared: