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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 03:54 PM
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Hostage journalist Jill Carroll seen in new video
CAIRO, Egypt - Kidnapped U.S. journalist Jill Carroll appeared in a new video on Monday on Arab-run Al-Jazeera television, weeping and appealing for the release of women Iraqi prisoners.

Carroll was a freelance reporter working for the Christian Science Monitor when she was kidnapped in Iraq on Jan. 9.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11102758/
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:06 PM
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1. If she dies only * will be responsable
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:12 PM
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3. Well, the people who kill her will be responsible too.
C'mon.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:25 PM
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7. You "C'mon" eyesroll
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 04:26 PM by 951-Riverside
If we didn't invade iraq on lies, let the country go to hell after-wards, massacred civilians then turn around and say that is was all in the name of freedom & democracy she wouldn't be in this situation, remember up to the time we invaded iraq American journalists could walk around without the fear of being captured and/or killed.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:27 PM
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8. Should criminals have NO responsibility?
I'm not saying Bush (and the others who got us into this mess) doesn't have blood on his hands. Far from it.

But it's not "only his responsibility."
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:20 PM
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17. Of course it's his responsibility
Did you not hear him say right before Shock and Awe, "THIS FEELS GOOD!?

That fucker put all of us in danger, when before there was no danger to us or any of the countries surrounding Iraq.

IT. IS. bush's. RESPONSIBILITY!

The blood is not only on his hands, it oozes out of every pore of his body.

IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER!
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:34 PM
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10. Maybe true, but
it is still the sole responsibility of her kidnappers and (I hope not) murderers what they have done.

Also, she didn't have to go over there, so we could blame her, too, if we have blame to share that does not go to the Islamic terrorists who hold her.

People are responsible for what they do. Whatever bush has done, does not justify kidnapping and killing of innocent civilians.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:27 AM
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28. Bush has killed innocent civilians, too, don't forget......
doesn't his bible say "an eye for an eye?" Maybe the Iraqis feel that ole' saying justifies this.

Bush is the one responsible for this - no one else. Quit giving him a pass or you're just like the MSM who has given him a pass from day one.
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:58 AM
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29. Nothing
Bush* has done justifies this.

Just because I kick your kid, does that justify kicking mine?? No!! You take up your fight with me. Beat the shit out of ME. Have ME arrested. but if you kick my kid, why you're no better than I am. And will go to jail, or get beat up, for it by ME.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:29 PM
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13. What does that have to do with these savages
kidnapping and possibly murdering her?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:58 PM
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19. Well, for one thing, we started it. We savages bombed
civilians, took hostages, threw goat herders in jail and tortured and killed them FOR A YEAR before the insurgency started.

Other than that, nothing.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:06 PM
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20. The savages who kidnapped Ms.Carroll
didn't kidnap her because of our wrong actions; they kidnapped her because they are savages.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 10:30 PM
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21. "they kidnapped her because they are savages"
Thats your personal opinion it doesn't necessarily mean its true fyi when we bomb innocent civilians its called collateral damage or the usual response is "they were asking for it" when they respond out of anger & fear they are called savages.

Why?



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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:20 PM
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31. I Should Be Interested in The Autopsy If They Kill Her
I should be very interested in the autopsy if these thugs kill her. Was she beaten? Was she sexually abused? Certainly she was held against her will, psychologically tormented and her life was threatened.

I see no reason to ascribe nobility or purity to Ms. Carroll's captors just because we oppose Buckaroo Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:32 AM
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25. Why must everything be about politics?!
Here is a young woman, clearly terrified for her life, shown weeping and pleading in front of a camera. The only appropriate response, if you can bear to watch the video, is to say that this is horrible, inhumane, disgusting. That's it. Nothing more.

Just shut up about politics. Shut up about George Bush. I am sick and tired of people viewing everything freaking thing in the world through the prism of politics. This is about a young woman's life. Regardless of what you think about this war or American policy, we should all be able to agree that what is happening to this woman is awful. We should be able to agree on that as human beings, not as Democrats or Republicans or Americans or Iraqis or whatever.

Let me be clear, so you don't mistake me: I think Bush is an awful president and I can't wait until he and his underlings are gone from power. But there are plenty of threads where you can say that. Burn your political passions in those threads. Let's not pollute our sympathy for this woman, let's not exploit the tragedy that's befallen her.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:18 AM
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27. Bush's politics are inhumane.
It's not that politics has nothing to do with why that journalist is there in the first place.
Not "everything", doesn't "have to be" - but many things do have a political component to it.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:07 PM
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2. Damn
One good sign is they didn't kill her a few days ago, as they claimed they would.

Still no WMD and no purpose to this idiot war. Fuck Bush!
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:28 PM
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9. Encouraging
It so cruel to use her like that, but the fact that they haven't killed her makes me believe they'll let her go. I remember the two Italian girls who were also set free.

Can any foreign girls, especially non-Muslim, who are in Iraq now please leave!!! Can the troops please leave soon too. You are in another people's country. You didn't find what you were looking for. Please leave!!! Nobody likes occupiers.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:14 PM
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4. how heartbreaking for her family
to see her so distraught. CNN chose not to air video and use only a frame.. finally they are being sensitive
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:19 PM
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5. I thought the women were released on Friday,
I thought the paper said 5 of them were released? How many are there left to release then?
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:35 PM
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11. only 5 or 6. still at least 4 still being tortured
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:59 PM
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14.  Dr Germ and Mrs Anthrax are still being
held but technically no longer under arrest. This according
to the Q&A part of Thursday's paper

Supposedly, they are awaiting decisions on the
how and where they will be re-located.

Which corporations/govts in which country wants
to hire them?
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:22 PM
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6. The criminals who kidnapped her are doing no service to the Iraqis
I believe it to be just the opposite. They kidnapped her and she has actually been sympathetic to the Iraqi people, from what I've heard. So they need to release her and do so immediately. And they need to be tried and convicted quickly as well. Maybe they can swing from the same gallows that Hussein will be swinging from.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:57 PM
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12. Yeah, that'll teach those Iraqis to attack us like they did on 9/11
Right?

:eyes:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:09 AM
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24. Oh give it a rest.

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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:18 AM
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30. Sorry my reference to the kidnappers being criminals upset you
Not really. They're criminals. Period. End of story.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:01 PM
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15. This sickens me so. nt
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:06 PM
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16. My heart goes out to her and her family.
Sigh....so much trouble in the world.....

:cry:
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:54 PM
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18. I doubt they will kill her...
She's too young, attractive, and even looks somewhat arabic. Though I suppose rape might be another issue, which would'nt be much better than murder of course. She looks completely undone in that video.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 11:11 PM
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22. I sure hope they let her go.
She's doing much more to help than hurt. Hopefully they're seeing that.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:05 AM
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23. Poor girl was crying.
I hope they won't kill her.
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:15 AM
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26. Let us not forget that her (Iraqi) interpreter was killed
Alan (or Elin) ran a shop called "Alan's Melody". He was a Christian, from Basrah, with a wife and young children; he had many friends who mourn him now, crying for days. Read Riverbend's entry for 12 January 2006,

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/


The most important thing about Alan was that he never let you down. Never. Whatever it was that you wanted, he'd try his hardest to get it. If you became his friend, that didn't just include music- he was ready to lend a helping hand to those in need, whether it was just to give advice, or listen after a complicated, difficult week.

After the war, the area he had his shop in deteriorated. There were car bombs and shootings and the Badir people took over some of the houses there. People went to A'arasat less and less because it was too dangerous. His shop was closed up more than it was open. He shut it up permanently after getting death threats and a hand grenade through his shop window.


There is a picture of Alan on

http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/

- see his entry for 18 January 2006.

Unfortunately, Jill Carroll is paying for her naivety. See the Treasure of Baghdad's entries for 9 and 13 January 2006 (which includes pictures of her).


She was in love with Iraq and its people. She always felt that she belongs to this country.


More pictures of Jill on 24 Steps to Liberty

http://twentyfourstepstoliberty.blogspot.com/


She is working in Iraq for three years now. She is a freelancer. And because she has no newspaper to belong to, I always tried to convince her to leave the country. It is very dangerous for foreigners to travel in one soft car in this country now. She wouldn’t listen to me. “I am not afraid. I write about people and they read what I write. They wouldn’t hurt me,” she always replied when I asked her to leave.

She left several times to vacation outside Iraq and in emails she told me “It is homesick. That is how I feel now. People here are not like Iraqis, are not full of love, are not nice. I cant wait to come back and see you guys.” And when she arrives, she says “Hi guys. I am back home.”

<snip>

I remember once we were chatting and I asked her, “so where is home for you?” And without hesitation or a moment to think, she said “This is home. Iraq. Why? What’s wrong with that?” and as the chat goes on, at some point she smiled and said “I know my fate is in Iraq.”

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