CNN BREAKING: Cindy Sheehan arrested in Capital!

[mikelgb]

mentioned repubs not wanting a protest... wolf talking about it now

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BREAKING NEWS

Antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan -- who was invited to attend President Bush's State of the Union speech -- has been arrested, Capitol police say.

http://www.cnn.com/

EDIT from CNN at 5:55: Already in chamber arrested in the house chamber! Took out a banner!

[lala_rawraw]

1. For attending on a guest pass... are you fucking kidding me?

[Cobalt Violet]

53. This is now post 9/11 thinking.

Us Democrats tend to be stuck in pre 9/11 thinking. YOu know like when we weren't a fascist dictatorship.

[Fridays Child]

2. FUCK!

[Catch22Dem]

13. What do you mean, fuck?

This is AWESOME! The mother of an American soldier who gave his life for his country being arrested for trying to see her president give the SOTU address on a perfectly legitimate guest pass given to her by a member of congress. Beautiful!!!

[Fridays Child]

I hope your take is good, on this.

I was hoping for the "picture worth a thousand words" value of her quiet presence.

[NYC Liberal]

27. You assume they would have given her camera time.

I think this will generate MUCH more coverage.

[Fridays Child]

131. They would have shown her.

CNN made a big production out of where everyone would be seated, including Cindy, and where the cameras are placed. Cindy at the SOTU is high theater to the news whores. They would have had to show her or risk being scooped by the networks that did.

[greyl]

113. I'm with you, that would have been nice. nt

[guruoo]

148. Ditto that

Just her presence would have been more than enough.

[stepnw1f]

177. They Would Have Used It to Paint Cindy

as "accepting" the "Olive Branch" from Bush. Nice try... clever. But Cindy was way ahead of them.

Good one Cindy!

[guruoo]

256. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they had tried that...

but you really think they could have gotten
the wingnut bloggers, talkers, and hangers on to
go along with it?

[JuniperLea]

24. Yes, couldn't be more fascist... erm... perfect!

This is exactly what we were waiting for, just surprising I guess.


Ladies and Gentlemen... May I present your civil liberties at work!

[SharonRB]

3. Link?

[yvr girl]

5. They're covering it on CNN right now

[imlost]

7. This is bullshit! What for?

[Adelante]

4. I just saw that

No details given. Now they're saying "may" have been arrested.

[Epiphany4z]

6. hahaha

dumb asses

[iamthebandfanman]

8. great

...

[Matariki]

12. saw that before you deleted it

get off it. she's dedicated.

[Catch22Dem]

16. No, I agree...great

see my post above.

[iamthebandfanman]

20. whatever

i removed it cause god forbid i disagree with people.
sorry but we dont need drama at this point do ya think?

[Vickers]

28. You can disagree here, just don't be a dickhead about it.

:thumbsup:

[iamthebandfanman]

36. sorry

didnt realise i was...

[Vickers]

No! I didn't mean you WERE, sorry!

I have to catch myself here and there...it means more when I rein myself in.

Sorry for the unintended accusation and confusion.

[iamthebandfanman]

54. thats okay

no harm no foul

thanks :)
sorry i misunderstood too

[jonnyblitz]

31. do you mean to say if she gets arrested for doing nothing but

just being there it makes US look bad(if in fact she is doing nothing wrong)? you would think it makes THEM look heavy handed and bad.:shrug:

you make no sense. sorry.

[barry kivik]

319. Yessssssssss

Dedicated to the brotherhood of following a creed tht no other will look into the face of and know the truth of how to bow out in an unforseen elected official.

[Murky Waters]

itchy trigger finger?

Jeez, at least wait until you find out what she was arrested for.

[yankeedem]

15. Now "we" look bad

I guess it depends what is meant by "we". If we is the American people, for allowing a brave woman to be silenced by a dictator, I agree.

If not, well....

[mac56]

17. "We" don't look bad.

"They" do.
This is "action, not stunts". That's what you said you wanted before you deleted your whole post.

Welcome to DU.

[RoyGBiv]

18. Pffftttt ....

Great, just great ... blame the victim.

[Name removed]

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[CountAllVotes]

21. We have no idea why she was arrested!!!!

>> just great
now we look bad i think.
thanks.
i hope shes happy, she could have made a difference by going in and protesting silently.

if she did something outrageous to get arrested, im mad.


hate me if you want for saying that, but things are getting bad and we need action not stunts. <<

We do not know why Cindy Sheehan was arrested. You are really speculating. Who's side are you on anyway?

[iamthebandfanman]

ugh

and it was stated as such. slow down and read what i said.

'if she did something outrageous'

i said that because nobody knows
if she got arrested for no reason, then it only helps our cause
but if she did something uncalled for then it doesnt

wouldnt u atleast agree with that?

i know which side im on thank you, dont question my intetions and where i stand on issues.

[shadowknows69]

46. drastic times call for drastic measures

Even if she did unfurl a banner she's acting in the best traditions of non-violent civil disobedience. Go Cindy.

[GemMom]

163. Just by showing up...

She's protesting. Her body language would have done enough. Bottom line is that bringing in signs and banners is not allowed in that chamber. Others have been removed before for similar behavior.

[Milspec]

203. "Others have been removed before for similar behavior."..

I belive all have been removed before for similar behavior.

I can think of a lot better action plan than this.

[knight_of_the_star]

241. I checked the followup

She was only wearing an anti-war tshirt, she didn't unfurl a banner.

[mac56]

47. "dont question my intetions and where i stand on issues."

Sure about that? That's what we're all about.

Welcome to DU.

[iamthebandfanman]

65. lol

yeah ive noticed.

i hate to give a disenting voice to anything, so i usually just dont say anything on here. mostly i dont disagree with things i see ...but i saw the headline and i went oh no!
im just scared i suppose.
they have to be stopped.
i may not have lost a son in the war, but im not happy either with things. AT ALL. but i know if I had the chance to go there and sit in that room, id simple wouldnt stand and i wouldnt clap.
i dunno
i didnt mean to over-react , so sorry if i did

[mac56]

77. Well, stick around, you'll learn a lot.

Mainly by getting your opinions challenged.

You'll learn, soon enough, that the hearts of many of us are with Cindy.

[iamthebandfanman]

91. and thats great

i was happy when i heard what she was doing down at crawford
i have absolutely nothing against her
and i dont think people should just jump to the conclusion that i do

i mean i get acused of jumping to a conclusion only to have people do the same to me.
kinda hypocritical there.

anyways
fun times on du!
:)

oh and btw
if it was because of a banner, they shoulda just taken it away n let her gone in.

[mac56]

108. Not hypocritical.

Just part of the process. Welcome to the NFL. It's helpful to have a thick skin, especially when writing comments that look critical of one of our heroes.

[Matariki]

128. there's nothing wrong with a 'dissenting voice'

but you're kinda swimming against the stream here in your opinion about Cindy Sheehan. Not alone, just in the minority. That's fine, but you have to realize that you need to make your argument with a little more finesse than a couple of not particularly well written lines dissing her. If you want to get your point across anyway.

[iamthebandfanman]

151. gotcha

i read ya loud n clear
but gosh
do people hafta be so vicious when they read something they dont like?

wasnt really expecting that.... i didnt get the impression everyone loved her so much by browsing the site a few times a week... musta missed something i suppose lol ;)

[CountAllVotes]

61. I posted what you wrote and you apparently deleted it quickly!

Those are YOUR words. What is there to say? You refer to the DU as "YOU PEOPLE". Who are you?? Learn how to read/write/spell and punctuate btw! :grr:

:dem: :kick: :kick:

[iamthebandfanman]

74. stop it

stop over-reacting.
please.
theres no need for it.
i deleted for the simple reason of what you just did.
personal attacks against me.
i dont want them because i may have over-reacted with an opinion i formed very quickly.
excuse me for having my own mind.

please, dont push me away.

[MaryRN]

Come on...

Take my hand..we'll all watch it together.

[Matariki]

68. so what's wrong with her doing something outrageous

Rosa Parks did something 'outrageous'. It all depends who gets to make the definition. She's dedicated to ending the Iraq war and is willing to go to jail to draw attention to the cause.

[iamthebandfanman]

84. well

maybe i consider those slightly different in nature.
maybe im crazy for doing that, i dunno.

i just dont put her and rosa parks in the same catagory.

i kinda dont like u comparing them at all to each other either, but thats just me.

[Matariki]

Rosa Parks has history to justify her actions

in what ways do you think their actions are different?

[iamthebandfanman]

127. ...

i dunno,
i mean
she did get civil rights ultimately for a whole group of people....i guess i see the war and basic human civil rights of people in our country... *shrugs*

now u tell me how you think they are alike?

because they stand up for what they believed in ?
cause thats very true.

n bless them both for doing so

[janx]

130. YES, because they stand up for what they believe in.

Freedom is never free.

[Matariki]

133. Rosa Park's actions were NOT well received when she did them

She was working for the civil rights movement and deliberately chose to get arrested for her actions to draw national attention to an unjust situation. It would surprise me if there weren't even people who thought Rosa's actions were hurting the movement and that what she did was a 'stunt'.

[iamthebandfanman]

139. see but today

today it doesnt work like that
not when there is massive poltical spin machines out there that people actually listen to
i have no doubt her intentions were good
and im in noway saying she shouldnt stand up for what she believes in at all
but these dirty lying bastards will spin it and make it into some big bad ordeal to try n paint democrats as bad again.
i just dont want them to have any ammo against us.

like i said, sorry i over re-acted in the first post.

the instant i saw the headline i thought 'oh no something for them to use against us(the democrats)'

sorry i was looking at the possible downside

[WinkyDink]

298. Yeah, Cindy has no sense of timing. Pity.

(BTW, I'd bet posts are taken more seriously when they don't have a childish small "i" or lack of punctuation in contractions or "u"....Just sayin'.)

[barry kivik]

320. Where was Holly?

Was her lady friend waiting outside and not allowed to participate? That sucks.

[RapidCreek]

232. Outrageous?

It wouldn't have been outrageous if she'd screamed lier at him. He lied, her son died. What the hell is outrageous about calling the sniveling little dictator on it? Why the hell weren't the Democrats standing up and making a scene when she was removed....they've done something outrageous as far as I'm concerned. Sitting about acting "statesmanlike" while a dictator takes our country away isn't being proper it's being stupid and cowardly.

Stupid and Cowardly.

RC

[depakid]

240. "we look bad"

That's battered woman/learned helplessness thinking.

Since WHEN did it matter whether the Republicans or any of their spokes persons looked "bad." They lokk "bad" all of the time. They're not afraid.

And look who's the majority party- and which party is now irrelevant in national politics.

[RapidCreek]

255. Amen!

Where is the rage?

RC
DAV

[TexasLawyer]

9. Perfect!!!!!

Now EVERYONE will realize that we are living in a police state.

[Punkingal]

14. Yep....

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[susu369]

41. Sorry, you give EVERYONE wa-a-a-y too much credit for figuring out

what the real situation is.

Sigh....

[TexasLawyer]

94. You might be right

:grr::grr::grr:

But at least they reported this on the news.

[NYC Liberal]

10. LOL, the morons just gave her exactly what she wanted!

:rofl:

Seriously, are they REALLY this dumb?

[AX10]

11. It's called Fascism!

[patricia92243]

19. We could not get more publicity if we paid for it. Much better than her j

just attending it. It will be broadcast ALL over the news and dim Bush's speech. It is happening already.

They will release her, of course, as soon as possible, but the damage will alrady be done.

Go Cindy!

[flobee1]

32. I FREAKIN KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

When I heard she had a ticket, I knew she would not be let in the building.

[GemMom]

164. She was let in the building

and arrested inside the chamber.

[shadowknows69]

22. Is it time for the torches and pitchforks yet?

n/t

[Ptah]

BASTARDS! BASTARDS!

[NYdemocrat089]

23. This is bullshit!! They had no right to arrest her.

She had a guest pass, and they had no evidence (at least reported so far) that she was planning to disrupt the speech!

:mad:

[CatholicEdHead]

30. Her presense is enough to be a "disruption" to them

I say let her in and let her sit through it.

[NYdemocrat089]

48. If you can't take the heat...get out of the kitchen.

If they can't handle a little opposition they need to rethink their policies. Maybe there's a reason people hate thier lying, rethuglican guts...

[raccoon]

304. Chimperor can't handle ANY opposition. nt

[TexasLawyer]

37. "Pre-emptive!"

If we can attack a sovereign nation pre-emptively, surely we can arrest a potentially disruptive person pre-emptively. :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[HeeBGBz]

25. Hmmmmm

How fucking rude.

No dissent within how many miles of the Prime Weasel?

Ooh, crack that whip. Punk ass skunk junkie.

[lala_rawraw]

29. if I was hasty i would say take to the streets...

thang god I am not hasty

[Cooley Hurd]

26. They arrested a Gold Star Mother at the US Capitol.

Excuse me, I think I'm gonna scream and decimate my TV.

:the_emoticon_that_expresses_my_rage_does_not_exist:

[GemMom]

180. Clarification...

Cindy founded the Gold Star Families for Peace organization.
http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/WhoWeAre/History/History.htm

This is different than the original organization founded in 1928.
http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/WhoWeAre/History/History.htm

[UncleSepp]

33. WTF, she had an invitation... what happened?

[electron_blue]

34. so was this a set up?

[TomClash]

America the Fascist

I never thought I'd see the day. :puke:

[seriousstan]

35. Now on Cnn, arrested already in House chamber for unfolding a banner

This is against House rules.

Arrested for a publicty stunt.

[CatholicEdHead]

43. Then take the banner and let her in

CNN is roasting Sheehan right now.

[seriousstan]

52. She will be held for the next hour because she has shown she will disrupt.

[Fridays Child]

51. If, and I repeat, IF, that's true...

...she shouldn't have done that. :(

[TexasLady]

57. thats what IM thinkin..IF

Doesnt make sense to me

[mwb970]

110. What's with her lately anyway?

Crawford was fine, especially at first. But I think she jumped the shark when she got arrested at the White House. Since then she has been a cartoon character.

[JennyH]

194. Might have been more effective if . . .

she had gone in quietly and just turned her back. MSM would surely have zeroed in on that.

[Trevelyan]

216. Hillary had CodePink protesters arrested. They took out banners, I think

one was cleverly inside someone's coat. The turn your back is a good idea. Weren't the Dems supposed to do that? I love Cindy for taking action. Couldn't watch * at all but someone had it on and it sounded like he got too much applause. I was hoping the Dems would do something. Did they dare to clap...any of them?

[still_one]

264. I agree with you

I think she would have done more for the cause by just being there, now the cause will be forgotten, and she will be painted as a disrupter.

I got flamed badly yesterday for suggesting that when she met with Chavez the other day, that would do more to hurt the cause than help it.

She has played right into their hands, and this will be used in their propaganda machine

The turning point was when Murtha came forward against the war. They tried to swift boat Murtha, but it didn't work.

We were making progress, and gaining support against the Iraq war, I am pretty sure all the progress made will now be undone

Look for at least 5 more years in Iraq, and a lot more deaths

[dolstein]

56. If this is true, Sheehan is truly an embarrassment

I don't care what your politics are. If you are invited to attend a state of the union address, you damn well be on your best behavior. That goes for Republican guests under a Democratic president as well as Democratic guests under a Republican president.

The Democratic Party stopped being the majority party when the public began identifying the party with war protesters instead of the hard working, blue collar types who used to be the heart and soul of the party.

The fact is that Cindy Sheehan only undermines herself when she engages in these pathetic stunts.

[merwin]

67. If I recall, the Democratic Party stopped being the majority party when

Bush got "elected".

The Democratic Party is comprised of many different groups, some of which happen to be war protesters. We don't fall in line like the Republicans do.

[dolstein]

95. Sorry, you're off my around 35 years

The Democratic Party used to be the dominant party -- not just in Congress, but from the White House all the way down to the state house. The Democrats won 7 of 9 presidential elections between 1932-1964. They won in the North, the South, the East and the West.

The Democratic Party started to fracture around 1966-1968 over Vietnam and the culture wars. And George McGovern and his draft dodging supporters damned near killed the party off. The Democrats lost six of seven presidential elections between 1968 and 1988. The image of the Democrats being anti-defense and weak on moral issues was fixed in the eyes of the public, and continues to dog the part to this day.

[Jane Austin]

178. Um, I supported George McGovern (a war hero) and I was not a draft

dodger.

Your intemperate remarks are not appreciated.

[dolstein]

190. If you think George McGovern's campaign was good for the party

then you clearly made a deliberate choice to live outside the realm of the rational. Cheers.

[WinkyDink]

299. Al Gore won the popular vote by a margin over 500,000. Where've you been?

[GemMom]

168. What about 1994?

Our majority was lost in the House in 1994.

[dolstein]

199. 1994 was about 35 years in the making

If you look at the seats that went Republican and have remained Republican, these are districts that had been voting Republican for president for decades. You had conservative voters voting for Republican presidential candidates and then voting for Democrats for Congress. A lot of these were conservative Democrats. When the Democratic incumbents retired (and many conservative Democrats retired in the early 1990s), they were replaced by conservative Republicans.

Another factor was redistricting. The first Bush administration used the Voting Rights Act as a political weapon, forcing Southern states to draw majority black districts that drew Democratic votes away from more suburbans districts that had, up to that point, remained competitive.

The DU'ers who believe that everything was just fine for the Democratic Party until the DLC came along as simply living in a fantasy world. They completely ignore the fact that the Democratic Party has been getting clobbered at the presidential level for over two decades before the 1994 election, that the Republicans first took over in the Senate in 1980, and that Democratic strength had been steadily eroding at the local level. The only thing that should be surprising is that it took the Republicans so long to take control of the House. If it weren't for Watergate, the House probably would have changed hands in 1978 or 1980.

[guruoo]

222. THANK you!

A Rightwing revolution, 35 years in the making, and some people
believe we should be able to turn it around in just 4, or 8 years.

[Jayhawk Lib]

90. I could not agree more!!

This is an embarrasment...

[WinkyDink]

300. And you are fooling whom?

[Matariki]

97. oh those pesky war protesters, standing for what they believe in and all

[Patchuli]

230. Thank you. nt

[janx]

137. You may call it a pathetic stunt.

Others may call it being an American.

[goclark]

201. She got their attention "by any means necessary"

Kennedy and Kerry talked all day yesterday, pleading our case and no one heard about the dynamic presentations that they made.

Cindy GOT the ATTENTION of the WORLD.

If she had just walked in and acted like a nice Republican wife, that would have been the end of the story.


Rosa Parks was hated for taking that bus ride, hated!

I say Cindy will one day go down in history for TAKING A STAND, "by any means necessary."

We have been begging for someone to have a spine, well she had one and now she is bashed, by us, for....... HAVING A SPINE!

[Taoschick]

174. Not to mention..

If you're trying to draw attention to yourself, it's better to wait until the Prez starts speaking before you attempt to disrupt the speech.

[WinkyDink]

301. The number of war dead is "disrupting the speech"??

BUSH SHOULD MENTION THEM, with HUMBLE REVERENCE.

And who said Cindy planned to DISRUPT? She was no doubt planning to sit there as the silent goddess of righteousness.

[Exiled in America]

181. I don't behave well in the presence of facsist murdering tyrants.

But I would certianly accept an invitation to confront them.

That's called being a patriot.
Sorry.

[leesa]

188. Oh screw it. The President and his henchmen are murderers. What are you

talking about? They are criminals...nearly ALL of them. BEST BEHAVIOR for fucking criminals???

[MODemocrat]

218. Per Malloy Cindy was wearing a T-shirt with #'s of Dead soldiers

I'm a liberal democrat, and I hate wars, especially, this one in Iraq, which is for oil, and we were lied to by the Bushgang in order for them to start it. Now they don't know what to do with the mess.
During president Clinton's speech, a number of the right-wingers got up and walked up.
Someone please tell me why people love war.

[GrumpyGreg]

235. Thanks for your thoughts-a voice of reason IMHO. n/t

[ojdidit]

260. when you're standing on a coffin soapbox....

There are less cartoonish ways to be effective in this fight. Not useful behavior, kinda like last time she made prime time...smiling her ass off while being carted off to the poky. Grow up Cindy, its not 1969.
Vote Green!

[Patchuli]

271. ojdidit? I was Green

and then Ralph Nader decided the difference that caused the problem which got W appointed. No thanks to Ralphie or the Green Party.

As for Cindy? She's standing up for Casey. She is grown up. It's definitely NOT 1969 and more than every it's important to stand against this war. She has a right and so do we all.

Green that.

[Name removed]

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[still_one]

269. not only herself, but she hurts the cause

for those who want the U.S. out of Iraq

[WinkyDink]

302. HAHAHAHA!

Yeah, just like those pesky protestors made us lose VietNam!

[Voltaire99]

287. Following Dolstein's prescription for "best behavior"...

...has left the Democratic Party so hobbled and ineffectual that it is little more than a rubber-stamper for Bushism.

Sheehan represents courage and principle; no wonder she's so upsetting to appeasers.

[lordwhorfin]

311. I have

zero clue why dolstein is even a Democrat at this point. He really seems to hate the progressive side of the party, and seeks to remove its voice from the party, as he blames, well, essentially most of the opinions on DU for the party's losses.

It's pretty clear to me that dolstein Democrats really dislike the Rosa Parks/Stonewall/NOW aspect of the Big Tent party and hope that those aspects of it will go away. Dems of this kind, if they are still Dems, really, are also viciously anti-labor. Oh well.

[Voltaire99]

317. Yes. The anti-progressive Democrat...

...is no lovely creature. There is, you know, the bitter soul of center-right "moderation"--what D.H. Lawrence once nailed in his famous poem about the bourgeoisie.

But the numbers are on our side. As more progressives leave in disgust or are driven from the tent, the GOP-lite set may be contented stylistically--they may think the coast clear for corporate dutifulness. But they will be miserable electorally. They will never be able to woo enough of the unwashed NASCAR vote. The weary, declining middle class won't sustain their once-in-a-lifetime Clintonian stock-bubble dreams. Nor will the megachurch cleave to them.

Only one way to win. Big progressive tent, baby, big progressive tent! ;-)

[jasmeel]

63. Did she actually get it unfolded?

[seriousstan]

88. They used the words "unfolded an anti-war banner".

[Maeve]

297. No banner, just a t-shirt with an anti-war slogan

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/31/politics/main1264678.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

[RoyGBiv]

38. Already in the House Chamber ...

Capitol police say she unfolded an anti-war banner and was arrested.

You can't fight in here. This is the war room!

[Placebo]

39. For unfolding a banner?

Puh-leez.

[TexasLawyer]

59. How did she get her banner

past security, which I imagine is about as tight as it could possibly be?

Also, why didn't authorities just take the banner away from her, rather than making an arrest?

[7P Dude]

73. It's not uncommon

It happens once every few years.

[Pirate Smile]

42. She unfurled a banner which is against the House rules.

[Kire]

115. Pacifica says it's a t-shirt

[xultar]

44. She should have waited to reveal her banner.

[dolstein]

62. BUZZZ -- WRONG ANSWER!!!

She should have followed the rules. Bill Clinton used to talk about people who worked hard and played by the rules. I don't care how much Cindy Sheehan has suffered as a result of the war, that doesn't give her the right to break the rules.

And if she had followed your suggestion, she'd have been dragged out of the hall in the middle of the speech, Bush's public would have jumped, and the Democrats would have looked pathetic.

[shadowknows69]

75. You mean the rules the facist government plays by?

There are no more rules if we want our country back.

[xultar]

82. Well in that case she shouldn't brought the banner at all.

No banners are allowed.

[pschoeb]

132. The National Women's Party did the same thing in 1916

During Wilson's State of the Union, I don't beleive they were arrested, or hauled out of the House.

[merwin]

140. They were still in a pre-9/11 mindset.

[seriousstan]

141. link?

[pschoeb]

152. here you go

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/suffrage/nwp/brftime2.html

check entry for December 5th 1916

[seriousstan]

157. Good catch, with your help I found more info about this protest...

Florence Bayard Hilles, Anna Lowenburg, Elizabeth Selden Rogers, Caroline Spencer, and Mabel Vernon (hiding banner under cloak) position themselves in first row of balcony during President Wilson’s annual address to Congress and unfurl banner reading: “Mr. President, What Will You Do For Woman Suffrage?” Wilson continues speaking; Senate page tears down banner. Incident generates great publicity in newspapers nationwide. Other CU members in gallery include Lucy Burns, Elizabeth Colt, Maud Gilbert, Bessie H. Papandre, and Mrs. Townsend Scott, who serve as guards for five women unfurling the banner.

[pschoeb]

159. Here you go some More

Editorial, "Suffrage Heckling," Washington Post, December 7, 1916.

What possible benefit was achieved for the cause of woman suffrage by the unfurling of a banner in the House, with its heckling inscription addressed to the President of the United States? ...the only result was a discourteous interruption of the President while he read his annual message. The suffragist leaders have done well to disavow the act of the hecklers.

The President has previously stated where he stands with respect to woman suffrage. There has never been anything equivocal about his utterances on this subject. Frankly and fairly, after Mr. Hughes (Charles Evans Hughes, Republican Party candidate for President against Wilson in 1916) had said that he favored a constitutional Amendment, President Wilson said that he believed the right way for the women to get the vote was through individual State action.

It is significant that in the face of this definite statement most of the woman suffrage States gave majorities for Mr. Wilson. Since the President declared himself opposed to a constitutional amendment as being the wrong way to bring about equal suffrage, it is not conceivable that the hecklers should expect him to advocate a constitutional amendment now.

The suffragists have won notable victories...Their progress has been due to the dignified methods pursued in the past.

http://marchand.ucdavis.edu/lessons/suffrage/suffrage.html

[seriousstan]

167. Thanks for the info.

They did indeed unfurl a banner but the Senate pages tore it down. Nice find.

[sam sarrha]

238. ...So what actually happened...someone sum up the real event..

[pschoeb]

247. Members of the Congressional Union

which later in 1917 became part of the National Women's Party unfurled a banner from a balcony in the House Chambers, while Wilson was giving his December 5th 1916 State of the Union Address. Senate pages tore down the banner which read "Mr. President, What Will You Do For Woman Suffrage?". No one was arrested and it seems the women were not removed from the House chambers either.

[fishwax]

254. very interesting

thanks for that info ...

[VP505]

146. Ya, she should

follow the rules, just like chimpy and rest of da cabal!

[guruoo]

154. Another golden opportuity

wasted. I don't blame Cindy, I blame the
stuck in the 60's nutjobs that are advising her.

[fishwax]

251. sometimes you gotta break the rules

civil disobedience has contributed much to the society we have today.

Turns out, though, that she didn't have a banner anyway ...

[harpboy_ak]

258. Every time they supress free speech THEY look bad

And if she had followed your suggestion, she'd have been dragged out of the hall in the middle of the speech, Bush's public would have jumped, and the Democrats would have looked pathetic.

what kind of repugnican lite are you? sorry, but every time they attempt to supress free speech, the public realizes again how scary these fascists are.

nope. sorry. no backtracking, no accomodation. now that the KKKourt is fully packed, we can look forward to heavier versions of this repression, and we MUST resist.

she was arrested for "unlawful conduct", according to CNN. the only unlawful conduct i can see is the unlawful suppression of cindy's first amendment free speech rights by arresting her for wearing a tee shirt.

it really makes the repugs look more thuggish.

[Voltaire99]

288. What do you mean by "would have looked pathetic"?

Using such a locution only hours after the collapse on Alito--surely that's the tail wagging the dog, Dolstein.

[fed-up]

45. This is what DeMOCKracy looks like??? f*ck bush and his gang n/t

[EFerrari]

49. Who knows how to help? I'm in a meeting for about 30 but will

check back.

[Fridays Child]

58. They 'll be holding her for "about an hour..."

...somewhere on Capitol Hill, according to CNN.

[TexasLawyer]

66. hmmm...

and how long will the speech be?

[Fridays Child]

87. You got it...

...about an hour. :mad:

[PCIntern]

50. CNN now blasting DEMS for her

being arrested...

All our fault...WAIT.. HERE's Lynne Cheney..!!!!! WOW!!!!

So sez Candy Fatass Crowley...

Auuuggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is just so repulsive...how this'll all backfire against Dems.

Wolf thinks that the uniform that all the rethugs are wearing makes them look good.

another Tweety...

[dolstein]

70. Well, the idiot who invited her DESERVES to be blasted

NT

[Jayhawk Lib]

101. Agreed....nt

[Catt03]

227. I agree

What is this woman thinking?

Visits Chavez...photos all over the world

Thinking about running against Diane Feinstien

And very poor judgment walking into that chamber drawing attention to herself and she is in way over her head.

It may take one person to start a movement, however a movement is more than ONE.

[AndyTiedye]

98. Everything Dems Do Backfires on Dems, Because FauxCNN Says It Does

The rest of the time they don't talk about us at all.

[trishp]

55. Next stop gitmo?

I just heard (unofficially, officially...who knows anymore) on CNN that Cindy Sheehan was taken away and would be "asked a few questions." Wonder if we'll hear from her again.....

[derby378]

76. Welcome to DU!

I think it would be suicide to "disappear" Cindy, even if she did pull a bonehead move like that.

[seriousstan]

81. Next stop, etiquette class.

There is a time and place for everything. This was neither. Look at what she gained and loss...

Gained....a moment that nobody will see.

Loss......any chance of ever being invited to these kinds of public opportunities.

This was a chance to get air time and commentary from the MSM as they pan the audience during the speech. Now the news will be the foolish publicity stunt before the speech, if any news at all.

She didn't pick her fight well in this instance. She has made it much more easy to marginalize her.

[imlost]

116. I agree.

[7P Dude]

122. Damn straight.

She could have made an absolutely profound statement by simply sitting and being seen in the crowd. Sometimes actions speak louder than t-shirts/banners/flags.

[Common Sense Party]

266. Gandhi didn't need banners or T-shirts.

Calm, stoic silence speaks volumes.

[GemMom]

270. Agreed.

I am amongst those who believe that Cindy made a statement just by showing up (upon invitation, of course), and she DID deliberately try to hide her t-shirt under outer layers, according to all the various sources I've read tonight. She took the risk, before the speech and the TV coverage really even got rolling. She was asked to cover it up and she refused to comply. Now she's charged with a misdemeanor which, theoretically, could bring a year's worth of jail time.

Was it worth it? You tell me. I think she would have had MORE of an effect by remaining IN the chamber through the whole thing and being interviewed in the lobby afterwards.

[pschoeb]

285. That's why his clothes were acts of protest, and flew the Congress flag

Not to say anything of the spinning wheel used both to make clothes and as a political prop, symbolizing independence. I think the Gandhi your thinking of, is only in your mind.

[hippywife]

289. Thanx, pschoeb!

That was exactly right! He dressed as a peasant and foreign officials and dignitaries received him exactly as he was. His appearance was part of his protest, too.

When everyone thinks of Gandhi they think of silence and meakness. Not so!

[PassingFair]

305. I don't think they would have let her in wearing a loin cloth, either.

Gandhi's attire WAS a protest in itself.
Diplomats were "uncomfortable" talking to
nearly nude little man.

[hippywife]

214. You can't be serious

stan.

Etiquette class? I can see it now...the revolutionaries who fought to establish this democracy, who knowingly risked arrest and worse for treason, sitting around sipping tea with their pinkies in the air bitching like a bunch of old wives about King George. Yeah, that got the job done!:sarcasm:

Being nice and is what got us where we are in the first place. Being nice is not going to get us out of it.

What does it matter how many lives are lost as long as we are "civilized" about it?

I'm done with all the equivocators on this thread.

[mike923]

313. Is she still in Jail? Can we help post her bail? What district judge...

will she be brought before?

[0007]

126. Cindy's not going any where without the people that love her

[seriousstan]

136. Maybe those will be the only votes she gets if she runs for office.

Every elected official AT LEAST knows how to act in a professional situation. She has just sunk her chance for any elected office, whereas she had the opportunity to show professional decorum. The shortest political career I have ever seen. Pity.

[GemMom]

166. Agreed about the professional decorum

Esp. if she's running for Senator. Sorry but actions like this do not help further the cause. She would have gained more respect by sitting there and disagreeing than trying to physically display a message. This behavior is NOT allowed. Even Bill Clinton said it's necessary to play by the rules. Something about attracting more bees with honey does indeed occasionally work.

[kalibex]

252. Maybe some of us are a bit tired of 'business as usual'...

...and don't consider her action tonight so horribly Gauche as to prevent us from voting for her should she seek public office.

[seriousstan]

286. I believe you are in the general voting public minority.

That is what it is all about.

[kalibex]

308. Heh... 'Believe'? Or Hope? n/t

[seriousstan]

315. I have no trouble stating my thoughts, perhaps you have a comprehension

problem.

[WinkyDink]

303. What's your problem? Now we're all about Miss Manners in politics??

Well, I guess then you must have appreciated that the Republican punks who pounded on the Miami-Dade Courthouse offices to stop the recount---wore SUITS and TIES!!

Cindy could "gain more respect"? Don't worry about it.

[jayfish]

306. Stan Is Always Looking For A Way To Prop...

up the fascists. He hasn't been fooling anyone for a long time.

Jay

[silvermachine]

309. Must be fooling someone...

...because he's been propagating this bilge for quite some time now. And he's still here despite his transparent efforts. Of course Dolstein is still here. And that's just another shade of ignorance.

[seriousstan]

316. If you 2 are finished playing with each other, you see something

the mods should know...ALERT! Otherwise, toss my salad.

[rodriguez94]

60. Has this been confirmed...this is bullshit

what the fuck do they think they are doing??

[msongs]

64. you can tell she is NOT a democratic senator - she has guts nt

[dolstein]

71. Sorry, but if she had any guts

she'd find a way to get her point across without breaking the law.

[merwin]

79. It's called civil disobedience... if African Americans had 'followed the

rules', there would still be segregation.

[seriousstan]

106. Not every act is civil disobedience, some are just acts of stupidity.

This was not the time or place and her cause was not well served.

[Occulus]

196. It's interesting.

I'm seeing a trend.

Things that alter history are Unique Events which are Never To Be Emulated. Comparisons to those events with other, more recent events are not being done in The Right Time And Place, or are Violating The Spirit Of (insert_historical_hero_here).

How....... odd.

And... was it a shirt or a banner?

[seriousstan]

206. I believe it was a shirt, as per the latest reports

BTW, not every person is Patrick Henry, some only think they are. I am sure many misguided people thought they were emulating great historical figures.

Cindy's latest statements were that she was going to run for office. THAT could have been constructive and furthered the discussion. THIS shut that avenue down.

Realism has a way of being......odd.

[Milspec]

217. "some are just acts of stupidity" !!!!

Some times I think shes a deep cover mole planted by Karl Rove. I think Cindy is in way over her head.

[Patchuli]

224. She's no "mole planted by Rove" and

she's not "over her head."

Her point of view is not an "act of stupidity." The pResident looks like a chickenshit bastard, which ...he is.

Cindy's for real. They should have let her stay. A t-shirt they don't like doesn't justify arresting her. Dissent is an American right. The pResident is not a patriotic American but a tyrannical little despot.

[UncleSepp]

86. Is it against the law to hold a sign?

I don't actually know. Is this a real law?

[7P Dude]

112. During the SOTU...

...yes.

This isn't the first time or first administration that people have been taken out of the chamber for showing a banner/flat/shirt/whatever-rumor-is-true.

[msongs]

105. what law broken? can you cite a code violation number? nt

[seriousstan]

120. Disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace.

[land of the free]

191. guts = making a stand without breaking the law

Hmmmm... can we agree this applies to our president, too?

Breaking the law is something rather popular in Washington these days.
(although I doubt bringing a banner into the chamber is illegal)


P.S. hello, all. Longtime lurker, just registered.

[EFerrari]

296. Welcome to DU, land of the free.

:hi:

[Patchuli]

221. I hear all she "did" was wear an anti-war shirt.

Is this not America anymore? I think t-shirts need to be uncensored in a so-called "democracy." However, in a fascist state, I guess wearing a t-shirt the opposition doesn't like could constitute a reason to take a person somewhere they don't want to go? Fuck this. That's not "breaking the law" however you spin it. And this is still America dammit.

[sam sarrha]

250. your are bashing her with no info, talking out your ass, get facts first

[silvermachine]

310. Laughable shill...

...as always.

[Canuckistanian]

69. Here we go...

Let the circus begin.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

72. Democratic Congressmen Should Walk Out

[msongs]

85. don't you wish the USA had a real oppostion party? nt

[reprobate]

208. Invertebrates don't walk. They slither

[drduffy]

78. I hope this isn't true.....

what a dumb thing to do. She should have just been there, with an accusatory but stolid appearance, to distract from Bush. Taking a banner could too easily be used against the movement. Not well th ought o ut if it occurred.

[7P Dude]

80. Calling it a Flag

They're calling it a "flag" not a banner on the radio right now.

[merwin]

92. If that's true, then there's nothing against the law about displaying a

flag, is there?

[7P Dude]

100. You got me

I have no clue. I know I've heard stories about the same thing happening before ever few years. I have no link to the stories but people attempting to make a political statement during the SOTU and getting arrested for it is nothing new.

[UncleSepp]

107. It was a tee shirt - since when is THAT illegal?

[seriousstan]

111. It all depends on the time and place. Disturbing the peace can be

a very broad definition. Disturbing the SOTUS is simply ignorant.

[lovuian]

83. WOW this is the struggle going against Protesters saw this

coming!!! Cindy we love you!!!

[goforit]

93. Yes!!!....ON SOTU, no less!!!

[buddysmellgood]

89. Cindy ROCKS!

[GoldenOldie]

109. Cindy Sheehan is an embarrasment to who???

Not to me nor millions of my fellow Americans. She speaks and acts for the millions of us who are unable to do it.

[drduffy]

96. I wish we had more information...

think what it will be like when the bushco fascists turn off the internet...

[951-Riverside]

99. Why didnt she wait until he started his speech?

[UncleSepp]

102. Not a banner... a shirt

Just came across Pacifica.

She didn't have a banner. She had a shirt on that said "Dead" and the number of dead.

[951-Riverside]

114. Oh My God! This is just unreal! n/t

[merwin]

117. They can arrest you for that?

[IndianaGreen]

192. I guess if she had worn a DU T-shirt, she would have been arrested

as well.

[SharonRB]

103. How dare they!

They've gone too far this time -- they're no better than the Gestapo.

[jasmeel]

104. The Sheehan story was gone from CNN fast! Am I blind

I don't see it.

[Gronk Groks]

135. They found out it was a T-Shirt, not a banner.

They got caught shilling for the fascists. Trying to salvage what journalistic integrity they have left, which is precious little.

[merwin]

142. Actually, they're still calling it a banner

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/bush.sotu/index.html

[reprobate]

213. It was a T shirt, and apparantly she was wearing it! She was arrested for

not covering it up, according to the story linked on CNN from the STU story page.

[Jackpine Radical]

160. It's linked from the main SOTU page; Peace Mom...

I had a little trouble finding it too.

And it still said "banner" at 8:45 CST.

[hunter]

118. What would Ann Coulter have done if Kerry was President?

Brought a rifle? Poison?

Yet these goons are terrified by a banner shirt. Bush is a coward.

Go Cindy!

[Chemical Bill]

119. She should have told * to go f**k himself.

That's allowed on the floor of the senate, right?

Bill

[meganmonkey]

121. Cindy Sheehan kicks ass

and I can't believe people are harshing on her for this, or any of her other actions.

She is a brave, bold patriot. She is crossing a line that needs to be crossed. It should be crossed by all of us, as often as possible, until this war ends.

She is a hero. She is one of the only people living today that I can say that about.

THANK YOU CINDY!!!!

:patriot:

[Amonester]

123. In the land of free...

She doesn't have the freedom to wear what she wants to wear?

So that's the "freedom" these war criminals want to spread over all the world?

No, thanks. (And F*** O** to these war criminals, lying pieces of s**t.)

[Trevelyan]

225. Didn't some FReepers nearly beat up a young woman who wore Flip-Flops to a

Bush speech saying she was disrespectful. I don't think the woman wore it as a protest and there are some pretty flip-flops that look like sandals.

Land of the free, home of those brave enough to threaten women for wearing sandals (during the summer) around the anti-Christ.

[fooj]

124. Big mistake. Big, big mistake.

Peace.

[meganmonkey]

144. I'm guessing you mean

arresting her was a big mistake...

[54anickel]

125. Someone's gonna come out of this looking rather foolish, and I don't

think it will be Cindy. She said she was going to be respectful in the other thread covering her invitation. Something doesn't pass the smell test here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2077560

[hippywife]

129. I don't care what anyone says.

She is not an embarrassment. If she did go in with a banner, this is an act of civil disobedience and I salute her for it. Those who think she is an embarrassment would be happy to play nice-nice until we're all stepped on and carted away. Looks like the elected Dems aren't the only ones who need to grow a spine.

[gizmo1979]

134. there is a time and a place

for everything.This isn't just bush this is the ceremony and tradition.You go with the flow just you being there is a victory leave it at that put the gloves on tommorrow.

[KAZ]

138. Yeah, Sam Adams should have just noted...

.. how much tea East India Company was unloading. Good strategery.

[hippywife]

156. ...

:thumbsup:

[janx]

145. NOT NOW.

If our country had decided to go the way of England, sure.

But we didn't, and that was hundreds of years ago.

[hippywife]

149. The time and the place to stand up to this

regime is here and wherever one happens to be standing at the moment. Waiting until tomorrow is useless. What are ceremony and tradition when uncounted numbers are dying and will continue to die? Every tomorrow only brings more death and destruction. Every today that is acted upon brings us closer to shutting it down.

[cmdrzog]

170. This is probably the last chance to stand

she did herself and everyone proud whether banner, flag or shirt. The spineless congressman that smile politely and clap at the drivel are the ones that bring shame; walk out or at least turn your backs or hiss at this sham and the talking fraud.

[KAZ]

173. You and Hippywife have written two, very profound...

paragraphs. "RIGHT NOW".

[hippywife]

197. Agreed!

Bush's very presence brings shame upon the Capitol let alone those who stood and politely applauded his drivel.

[guruoo]

172. It would have been the time, and place...

35 years ago.

Poor Cindy.

Makes me wish for just 5 minutes
with the idiots who put her
up to this banner lunacy.

[hippywife]

204. Bush besmirches everything

this should stand for by his very presence and you accuse her of lunacy?

She showed much more bravery in those few minutes than he has shown in a lifetime. Cindy is a true patriot in every sense of the word and its traditions.

It is always the right time to stand and speak out against injustice. This ain't no tea party. There are no rules. Not anymore.

Go Cindy!

[guruoo]

215. No, as a matter of fact I don't blame Cindy....

I blame the "experts" who have been advising her.

[hippywife]

291. Then you blame all of us in

the grassroots who dare to stand with signs before our community on a regular basis to denounce the war and this regime. We make our stand as witness and to give strength to all who are in opposition.

I blame people who sit back on their asses and "Tsk. Tsk." rather than put their own asses on the line for the preservation of our democracy.

[WinkyDink]

307. Get over your freeping,

and try reading. THERE WAS NO BANNER.

But I'd bet a "WE LOVE GEORGE" banner WOULD have been allowed, whaddayathink, huh?

[Gronk Groks]

150. I must disagree...we are no longer in a polite debate...

this is a fight for our very existence as a Democracy.

I have often wondered how Rome went from a Republic to an Empire ruled by self-declared "God" Emperors.I am saddened that my America is now poised to go down this evil path...

[Sadie5]

143. *They* said Cindy did this

They can get away with saying anything they want. Wait to see what really happened. Wolf Blitzer said they were *watching* for her as they knew she was invited. Could be they simply grabber her out of line and are detaining her until the speech is over.

[janx]

147. YES. All kinds of people knew she would be there. n/t

[GoldenOldie]

153. If not now - WHEN?

[guruoo]

161. Having a spine is one thing...

but times have changed. Tactics that may have served us well
in the 60's have over time become the political kiss of death.

[hippywife]

169. All the more reason they should

be used. I'd rather go down standing my ground and being detained with the brave than cowering on the outside with the cowards.

[guruoo]

176. I prefer doing what works best...

towards acheving the common goal
as opposed to what might make me feel good
for the moment.

[hippywife]

187. Yeah because that approach

has been working really well up to now and being arrested sure does feel good! :sarcasm:

I bet there's extra room in Bush's bubble.

[guruoo]

212. Could it be that

I've become a bit too goal-oriented in my old age?
:shrug:

[hippywife]

292. No

Too scared. Don't let them kill the better part of your nature or dampen your fight.

[reprobate]

220. So how about suggesting something you think will work?

It does little good to dissent without offering an alternative.

[guruoo]

223. Like I said, just her presence would have been enough

[KAZ]

171. And you suggest what?

A couple of non-published LTEs. How about some ignored phone calls to the Dinos in CO and NE. I know, an email will do it!

I was only eight, but I heard the same shit in the 60's.

[guruoo]

186. IMHO, just her presence would have been enough

America has aged, and we activists must learn to
adapt our message, and tactics to meet the
demands of this new target demographic.

This means think less angry mob, more nuturing parent.

That is, unless you're prepared to go ahead and initiate all-out
revolution.

[hippywife]

207. That's nothing but pure

cowardice and equivocation. Age has nothing to do with it. Even Gandhi stood and marched, and the people with him, to commit similar acts even though they were beaten and many killed.

We need to stand for something or live with the consequences. I will not let people of no heart create those consequences for me.

[guruoo]

226. As someone said, there is a proper time, and place

The people whose votes we need are the ones
that are most turned off by this.
Like I said, this ain't the 60's anymore!

[Patchuli]

234. What time, what place is there for this

that the media and the government will listen?!! Seriously, WHERE? We must make the time and place for them to hear us!

You are right, this "isn't the 60's anymore!" IT IS MUCH WORSE. If we are not willing to fight, then we don't deserve freedom. You can go down quietly if you like. Not everyone agrees with that.

All Cindy did is wear a t-shirt listing the number of dead soldiers. Since when does this 'free society' not allow free speech? Since the pResident was initially appointed?

[guruoo]

244. Depends on whom you need to win over

It tends to undermine the hard work myself and many others have put
into winning over, and then holding onto moderates, expat Dems, and so-called
'silent majority' types.

We have no need to win over the people that already
agree with us, (i.e., 'preaching to the choir').

Again, I don't blame Cindy, I blame the misguided souls that have
been advising her.

[KAZ]

219. I did a "Cindy" protest in Napperville, IL...

... last year. It was beautiful. 300 people showed up in one of the most Repuke counties in IL. We lit our candles, took our pictures, and patted each other on the back.

Empiracaly, I can't argue with you. Maybe the countless Cindy Rallies did something. I think the media killed it.

Oh, and Wolfe is now reporting "instant poll results". What do you think they are?

[guruoo]

228. Yes, public protest can be quite productive when it's

conducted within the proper context, and environment.

[hippywife]

293. Yes because

we can't be insulting people's sensibilities by standing proudly and defiantly and speaking the truth. It's just not the proper thing. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[silvermachine]

312. Oh yeah...

...<<<This means think less angry mob, more nuturing parent.>>>

The GOP has really made some inroads with this philosophy.:eyes:

[arikara]

277. And today's tactics

...of rolling over and taking it up the arse are winning lots of points too, aren't they?

Pardon my language, but this thread is a real eye opener to dynamics of the democratic party and I can bloody see now why it keeps losing.

The pukes won't lose despite all their different shades of nastiness. Because they stick together and NEVER jump all over each other no matter how outrageous some are. Look at Ann the man wanting to poison a justice, a preacher calling for assassinations... nobody on the puke side even blinks, its meaningless to them and isn't even news. Yet Cindy Sheehan is arrested and without even hearing the whole story, some dems are all over her case because she didn't stay in her free speech zone? What?

Unbelievable.

[Bluerthanblue]

205. DAMN right- There was a time and a place for a "tea party" too-

playing along has murdered thousands upon thousands-
I for one am sick to DEATH of it.

What is it going to take for America to wake the hell up?????!!!!!!!!


FREE COUNTRY????

where is that? In Cuba? In England? In Russia? it sure a HELL isn't here-

i'm so angry and discouraged i could scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-

[hippywife]

209. Be angry

but never be discouraged. Discouragement hands a victory to those that would cower us and those that enable them in times like these. There are people of strong heart and will all around you. :hi:

[VegasWolf]

155. Yep indeedy, proud to be an Murikan!!! nt

[DemInDistress]

158. But what if her t-shirt,banner flag said, "I support Bush" would they

have hauled her ass out of there or admonish her to cover it up??

[GoddessOfGuinness]

165. Good question.

Wish I had an answer.

[progressivebydesign]

211. The definition of "demonstration" for which she was arrested..

..means anything they don't like!!

[Proud2BLiberal]

162. WTF?

So she managed to get in wearing this shirt or carrying this banner--whichever it was? She made it past security and they waited until she was INSIDE to arrest her? HUH? All I can say is WTF!?!?!

[ignatius 2]

175. Good Christ, will this administration never tire of stomping on the

rights of United States citizens? Welcome to the United Facist States of America. I believe Huey Long said."facism will come to America wrapped in a flag."

Kudos to Cindy,that woman has got guts!

[bananas]

179. AP: Activist Cindy Sheehan Arrested at Capitol (for t-shirt)

AP confirms it was a t-shirt, not a banner.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/state_of_the_union_sheehan;_ylt=AlMyHXq8A4_yhyerq83APWKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Activist Cindy Sheehan Arrested at Capitol

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a fallen soldier in
Iraq who reinvigorated the anti-war movement, was arrested and removed from the House gallery Tuesday night just before
President Bush's State of the Union address, a police spokeswoman said.

Sheehan, who had been invited to attend the speech by Rep. Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., was charged with demonstrating in the Capitol building, a misdemeanor, said Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider. Sheehan was taken in handcuffs to police headquarters a few blocks away and her case was processed as Bush spoke.

Schneider said Sheehan had worn a T-shirt with an anti-war slogan to the speech and covered it up until she took her seat. Police warned her that such displays were not allowed, but she did not respond, the spokeswoman said.

Police handcuffed Sheehan and removed her from the gallery before Bush arrived. Sheehan was to be released on her own recognizance, Schneider said.

"I'm proud that Cindy's my guest tonight," Woolsey said in an interview before the speech. "She has made a difference in the debate to bring our troops home from Iraq."

Woolsey offered Sheehan a ticket to the speech — Gallery 5, seat 7, row A — earlier Tuesday while Sheehan was attending an "alternative state of the union" press conference by CODEPINK, a group pushing for an end to the Iraq war.

Sheehan was arrested in September with about 300 other anti-war activists in front of the White House after a weekend of protests against the war in Iraq. In August, she spent 26 days camped near Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, where he was spending a working vacation.

[El Supremo]

183. Just like they removed the people from Denver...

only because they had a "No blood for oil" bumper sticker on their car.

[guruoo]

198. It's Not the same

IMHO, not even close.

[HuffleClaw]

193. is there a PHOTO of this OFFENSIVE t-shirt ????

[jarjarbinksisgod]

231. that's what i want to know! n/t

[For PaisAn]

239. This is the only one I could find.

Can't make out if it says anything other than those numbers. If it was just the numbers then that's BS. Numbers are not Anti-War, they're facts.
http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/09/05/20060131223109990005

[HuffleClaw]

246. i notice they posted a security goon right next to her too

but i'm also wondering why she wasn't savvy enough to WAIT fifteen goddamned minutes to undo her jacket while bush was speaking. good god.

[guruoo]

202. Why am I not surprised?

CODEPINK

[WestHoustonDem]

182. Just received the truth about the arrest on the

Texas Kos mailing list from an unimpeachable source:

"Apparently Cindy was arrested because someone didn't like what she was wearing -- a black T-shirt (from VFP I believe) that said something about 2000 dead. She was minding her business and planning to listen respectfully to the police.

There was no disturbance and she did not have a banner. anyone who believes that needs to think about whether Capital Security would let a banner through...

Currently Cindy is sitting at the Capital Police Station, remaining silent until she can talk to a lawyer."

[guruoo]

195. N/T - (Replied to the wrong post)

[Barrett808]

Just ask yourself: Is this what you see in a free country, or a tyranny?

Highest incarceration rate, ubiquitous surveillance, militarized police force, ubiquitous military propaganda, arbitrary arrests, indefinite detentions, institutionalized torture, state-sponsored murder...

Does this path toward freedom or tyranny?

[Trevelyan]

233. Don't forget Operation Viper, a new and very specialized form of military

police and intimidation tactic. What was the name of the Hispanic man they murdered on an airplane in Jeb Bush country not long ago.

[Barrett808]

184. Just ask yourself: Is this what you see in a free country, or a tyranny?

Highest incarceration rate, ubiquitous surveillance, militarized police force, ubiquitous military propaganda, arbitrary arrests, indefinite detentions, institutionalized torture, state-sponsored murder...

Does this path toward freedom or tyranny?

[leesa]

185. Let Freeeeeeeedom ring! They hate us for our freedom.

[yasmina27]

189. Where was security?

Excuse me, but with most of the government in the Capitol Building, you know security was extra-tight. I can guarantee that she was searched, and if she was wearing the shirt under another, they would known and she never would have made it to the gallery. Same if she had it rolled up, or stuffed in her purse, or the same for a banner.

I'm sorry, this just doesn't smell right to me.

[loria65]

272. I totally agree!

[0rganism]

200. The thuggish Iraq invasion is the embarrassment, NOT Cindy Sheehan

but of course, you're all free to form the typical DU circular firing squad. Flame away.

[progressivebydesign]

210. SHE DID NOT HAVE A BANNER, OKAY? it was a t-shirt!!!

They arrested her on a misdemeanor for "demonstrating in the Capitol". Because of a t-shirt that was against the war. Fascist fuckheads.

[GemMom]

245. Protesting in the Capitol building?

Protesting inside the Capitol building is on the books - DC/Federal law.

Protesting outside is allowed. Protesting inside not allowed.

Yes, I know. Define "protesting".

[SoCalDemGrrl]

229. Welcome to Fascism folks ..it's now official

we are in a police state where free speech can result in arrest and where a "president" has declared a perpetual state of war..

GOD HELP US!!!!

[Name removed]

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[RevolutionStartsNow]

237. Arrested for wearing an anti-war shirt? Good God.

We fucking deserve everything we are getting in this country.

God bless Cindy and her activist heart.

[depakid]

242. Agreed

America more than any other country deserves EXACTLY what it's going to get in the coming decades.

And it won't be pretty.

[For PaisAn]

243. Exactly

and how the hell are numbers "anti-war"? Numbers are facts.

[Oldtimeralso]

248. As Joe Friday would say

Just the facts ma'am

[AGKISTRODON]

249. Someone keep updates going!

I can't get much news on these rabbit ears!

[daleo]

253. Bush was afraid he might have to look at her

She frightens him, I think. She may be the only person on Earth who causes a little thing called guilt to arise in his mind. That's why she couldn't be allowed to be at the speech.

[Nathyn]

257. I used to dislike Cindy Sheehan, but this is ILLEGAL!!!!

I used to dislike Cindy Sheehan for a variety of reasons... But this is pure bullshit. You *CANNOT* arrest a person for their political beliefs. YOU CAN'T. THIS IS PURE AND TOTAL BULLSHIT!

I'm fairly moderate and, before, I would've said that Bush is Hitler, Bush is fascist, and so on, were a bit extreme. But no, I think this puts the final rubber stamp on the matter. Anyone who claims Bush isn't a fascist just simply isn't examining the facts.

I hope the ACLU gets involved and makes the bold move of directly suing President Bush. That'll make the motherf**ker pay for f**king invoking the words, "the sacrifice of military families" during his speech while Cindy sat with the police, possibly even crying.

President Bush IS NOT a Christian.

[daleo]

259. TSOMD (T-Shirts of Mass Destruction)

Oh, the humanity!

On edit - Just for the record, I am agreeing with you, through the mechanism of irony.

[Nathyn]

262. Uhh...

You're being a sarcastic smartass.

EDIT: Oops, sorry. Nevermind. I didn't catch the title. Sorry. :P

[pschoeb]

261. Besides she wasn't even presenting a political belief

The t-shirt just said "2,243 dead" which is just a fact, not a debatable political belief.

[daleo]

263. Unfortunately, a fact that will only be true for a short time

In a few days it will be 2250, then more...

[TexasLawyer]

280. Rob Corddry of the Daily Show

pointed out (tongue-in-cheek, of course) that these days the FACTS themselves are biased. These biased facts (which make the President look bad) just cannot be reported because to do so would be to foresake "balanced" reporting.

[imlost]

267. I agree!

[Charlie Brown]

268. Here Here

I can't believe there are people at DU who are condoning this crap.

"Unlawful conduct" for wearing a politically-themed t-shirt?

WTF site am I at?

[Name removed]

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[guruoo]

278. I believe your misreading the criticism n/t

[Taoschick]

283. Uh...

bush didn't institute that policy. It's been in place for quite a while. People have been removed from the SOTU for not following the rules long before him and will be long after him. She knew the rules and took a calculated risk. It obviously didn't pay off since she decided to make her stand before he ever started talking. She could have made it a big deal but her timing sucked.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

314. hello? anybody home?? the rules regarding shirts with the # of dead?

Show what rule states you can't have the number of dead killed in Iraq on your T-Shirt?
Show everyone where the secret service has the right to take someone away and throw them in jail for an inkjet iron-on!!


Wha?
Can't find it in the rule book?
didn't think so

[Nathyn]

265. The Conservatives' response.

"Rules are rules. And it's a professional environment."

>>There are rules in schools as well and they are a professional environment, but a Supreme Court upheld a decision some time ago, when a high school student wore an anti-war t-shirt.

"It was for security reasons."

>>I find it rather pathetic that Sheehan and her t-shirt were a security threat. First of all, they searched everyone there, ran them through metal detectors, and had bomb sniffing dogs to ensure they had no weapons on them. And it's doubtful that Sheehan would be able to run onto the stage and strangle Bush with her bare hands, though I'm sure she'd like to.

[The Wielding Truth]

275. Right to dissent and freedom of speech****

Security Risk**** who's security?

[TheAngryIndependent]

274. Not surprising

You all seem to be under the illusion that the U.S. is an actual democracy. It is NOT.

Nothing more than a dictatorship with a rotating seat of power between 2 (chumy) parties.

Did you seem how mushy your Dems were getting with the Republicans this evening?

The law only applies when it benefits those in power....not when it has anything to do with benefiting the people.

[TexasLawyer]

281. I didn't see much mushiness

maybe I missed it.

[GetTheRightVote]

276. Cindy S., you are my shining star that I may wish upon you ..........

After standing all day from sun rise to sun down on Jan 20th so that I and my son may hold our signs in rejection of * and his latest stolen election, to be beaten on by repubs who did not like our signs, they tried to throw us and our signs into the gutter and it took the police to get them off of our backs so that we might hold our signs as was our right to do so in a free country, believe me the last thing I WISH to read or write about is how a strong woman using her position in this fight against this kind of evil, the evil that * has created in our nation to make a point that only she could is some how negative.

Wake up citizens, this is not the time to do what they would expect us to do but to rattle the chains they are attempting to put upon our ankels and wrists until their chanks are heard the world over. Thank God for you Cindy, I only wish that there were so many more of you to keep the ripples flowing thru out this sorry nation of ours............

:kick:

[SKKY]

279. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!

ARRESTED??? FOR A TSHIRT? THIS IS UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. So, I guess we'll be throwing out that
pesky 'lil amendment-shmamendment that guarantees free speech, huh?

[OneBlueSky]

284. BushCo scrapped the First Amendment a long time ago . . .

they just don't care . . . when they violate it, who's going to exact consequences? . . . the Congress? . . . the press? . . . puh-leeez! . . .

BushCo doesn't give a shit about the First Amendment -- and they know there are no consequences for not giving a shit . . .

btw, they're also working on several other of the first ten amendments -- more commonly known as the Bill of Rights . . . to BushCo, it's "just a piece of paper" . . .

so . . . are we convinced yet? . . .

[Tredge]

290. Hindsight / Foresight

Others have cited examples like Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, the women suffragists and Rosa Parks for their patriotic acts which incited movements and, in the end, won victory. How many other brave acts like these can be found in our history that nobody speaks of, because their movements lost?

For her acts tonight, as well as all her acts of protest beginning with her first vigil at Crawford all the way to now, she may eventually be included among the ranks of objectors who lent momentum to a cultural/political revolution in America. But that will not happen unless we win. It feels like putting the cart before the horse on purpose, but it doesn't work any other way.

So as to avoid the appearance of avoiding a stand on her actions tonight - if I'd my druthers she'd have left her coat on until the topic came to Iraq, then removed her coat and let the commotion ensue. The cameras would have seen her sitting there during the beginning of the speech, and they would have to turn the lense on her as the capitol police forced her out. But that's just me. ;)

[freedomburn]

295. Cindy Sheehan is my hero!!! Go Cindy go!!

[barry kivik]

318. Check out the look

What about that look of ole Alan Bestwick when John Costwirk cast him an evil glance? Wasn't no applause headed that way.