Internet call for attacks on Denmark, Norway over prophet carricatures

[lovuian]

http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2006/02/01/72147.html

A Internet statement purportedly from an insurgent group in Iraq urged militants on Tuesday to attack targets in Denmark and Norway, the first known call for violent reprisals over the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

"We call on all our brigades in Mujahedeen Army to hit any targets they can in these two countries, and any other country that does the same thing," the statement said.

The authenticity of the Internet posting in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, which claimed to have shot down a U.S. helicopter in Iraq earlier this month, could not be independently verified.
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Its all so religiousy

[balzac]

1. Probably the work of agent provacateurs

Working for Bush.

[GrumpyGreg]

2. Oh puhleeze !

[Ben Ceremos]

3. Frankly, such attacks

would completely justify the annihilation of any country that sponsored such. Islam is peaceful, but the prophet is breeding lunatics who don't understand his words...which in a nutshell is "Peace"and "Submission to the will of Allah".

[saigon68]

79. Someone draws a picture-- Someone else kills the Artist

What is wrong with this picture?

[Mike Daniels]

85. That must be it.....

And I guess the bombings in Israel, Asia and other countries are all the work of Bush, Inc. as well.

Was it really some Republican operative who issued the death warrant against Rushdie all those years ago?

Please do tell.....

[Squatch]

4. France Soir's response was excellent...

The appearance of the 12 drawings in the Danish press provoked emotions in the Muslim world because the representation of Allah and his prophet is forbidden. But because no religious dogma can impose itself on a democratic and secular society, France Soir is publishing the incriminating caricatures

[Not_So_Right_Wing]

11. Great!

I'm sure these were meant to provoke people...but freedom of the press is paramount!

[jakpalmer]

50. Well...

The managing editor of France-Soir has just been sacked for that by the newspaper's parent company.

Very sad indeed. :(

[rayofreason]

5. Cartoons reprinted...

...in France. See the story at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm


Not long ago I saw a documentary that suggested that Mary could have been pregnant before marrying Joseph because she was raped by a Roman soldier. I haven't seen fundamentalist Christians threatening to kill the producers of the show or bomb the offices of Direct TV for broadcasting it, although from a theological point of view the documentary is a super heresy/insult. I look forward to the day when Islam has evolved enough to let similar things slide, but I don't think that I will see it personally - it will take at least a hundred years.

[smirkymonkey]

12. Agreed, they really need to grow up and acknowledge thier own

hypocrisy and intolerance before they can demand respect from other cultures.

[onager]

6. Egyptian Gazette thinks a boycott is stupid

At least one editorial writer did. The editorial was in yesterday's paper, which my efficient hotel cleaning staff unfortunately threw out. (I'm currently on a long-term work assignment in Alexandria, Egypt.)

Anyway, the editorial said that boycotting the local (Middle Eastern) products of Danish/Norwegian companies is just dumb. It's dumb for the very good reason that the products are manufactured locally, not in their home countries. So the boycotters are hurting their local economies, not the ones in Scandinavia.

[KDLarsen]

7. Again?

I've just about lost track of the number of Jihads, Fatwa's etc. that has been issued on Denmark since the whole ordeal started. I've also understood that not only did France Soir print the drawings, but Die Welt (Germany), La Stampa (Italy), El Periodico (Spain) and Volkskrank (The Netherlands) followed suit.

[kurth]

9. Anyone have a link to these cartoons?

I'm sure lots of inquiring minds in the U.S. want to know...

[ama]

13. these?

http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2005/12/10/un-to-investigate-jyllands-posten-racism/

also US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice threatened Norway with "serious political consequences" after Finance Minister and Socialist Left Party leader Kristin Halvorsen admitted to supporting a boycott of Israeli goods
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1196096.ece

[adriennui]

39. she didn't threaten to kill them

[Callalily]

65. Hmmm, can't

get your link to work!

[barb162]

15. yes,,as published in the original Danish paper

and they are being reprinted now in several newspapers across western Europe

http://www.jp.dk/udland/artikel:aiid=3530562:img=P/

[kurth]

17. Thanks!

The cartoons are silly and irreverent. Kinda juvenile and LAME, actually...

[lovuian]

44. Whoah is Europe making a statement here

all on a cartoon but does say that freedom of the press can't be intimidated...

[smirkymonkey]

8. All Democratic Nations MUST Stand up to this Religious Blackmail

What right does the Muslim world have to determine what other countries can and cannot do in their own lands.

I guarantee that if it was the other way around there would be outrage on this board. I am sick to death of this creeping religious fundamentalism worming it's way into secular countries and demanding to have a say in policy. That goes for the US too. Religious fundamentalism must be stamped out in all its forms - when are we going to say enough? We keep censoring ourselves and our actions so that we do not offend these intolerant, dangerous, mental cases.

Religious Fundamentalism is just as dangerous as Fascism, if not more so.

[distantearlywarning]

10. Hear, hear! I totally agree!

The greatest threat to this world is religious fundamentalism in a myriad of forms, both here and in the Middle East.

[saigon68]

80. In The US its the Taliborn AGAIN

And their right-wing nut case murderous agenda.

IE" "Kill all the (insert racial epithet here)

[barb162]

14. You are so totally and completely right

and thank you for your comments on the other forum. Newspapers in France, Germany, Spain, Norway and Denmark have published these cartoons now. I suspect the list will start growing very quickly as the Europeans will protect their freedom of the press and not be blackmailed.

:hi:

[smirkymonkey]

18. One of the things that frustrates me about the left is the inability to

look at situations objectively - or at least fairly - when it comes certain groups. I despise fundamentalists of all kinds, but there are a lot of people here who bash Christian fundies without batting an eye, yet rush to the defense of the poor Muslim fundamentalist screaming "death to all infidels".

Religious fundamentalism is a threat to democracy everywhere. It should not be tolerated.

:hi:

[barb162]

19. Again, you are so right, I have noticed the same things over and over

[smirkymonkey]

21. I think that we are in big trouble if we continue to placate the

PC crowd by tiptoing around the very serious underlying issue here. The Islamic world does not want the acceptance and cooperation of the Western world, it wants our destruction.

[barb162]

25. You will find this French paper, France-Soir, making some

dead-on comments


http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060201-093618-4960r

French paper reprints Mohammed cartoons
snip

The French newspaper denounced "this religious intolerance that refuses to support any mockery, any satire, any gibes." And the newspaper derided a motley assortment of critics of the cartoon -- ranging from Arab ministers who called the cartoons an "offense to Islam," to the Islamic Jihad and other extremist groups -- as hardly the "paragons of tolerance, humanity and democracy."

"Enough lessons from these retrograde bigots!" France-Soir wrote. "There is nothing criminal in these drawings, no racist intention, no will to denigrate a community as such. Some are funny, some less so, that's it. It's to show this that we've decided to publish them."
snip

I saw the cartoons on CNN this evening. The more protesting and death threats and boycotts, the more papers will pick up the story. Religious and other forms of tolerance, should go both ways, indeed, should go all ways. Same goes for satire, lampooning, etc. If we here on DU lambaste Bush, we can expect the conservatives to do the same to DU and they do. BFD! It is expected and I think no one gets bent out of shape about it. I have a problem when those who are hypersensitive and intolerant of me expect me to be tolerant. What gives with that noise. I don't like double standards.

[smirkymonkey]

34. Exactly - It's just like the Republicans! They love to throw stones,

but are outraged when Democrats throw them back. What is so typical of both groups is that they have a complete double-standard, but since they are so completely incapble of accurate self-reflection or self-honesty, they cannot see thier own hypocrisy.

[AngryAmish]

51. Then the editor got shit-canned

[enigma000]

53. Fired for printing cartoons huh?

Nobody tell the Islamists about the Louvre and its religious works of art. They will want to torch the place.......

[entanglement]

42. While there are certainly many

radical Islamists hostile to the West, your last statement is too broad brush! It portrays a Huntington style 'Clash of Civilizations'

[Silverhair]

43. You are completely correct.

And fawning over the Islamists doesn't help us at the polls.

The tiptoeing around about it sickens me. Tom Clancy's book, "The Sum of All Fears" was about Islamists that got a nuke, but in the movie it was changed to Neo-Nazis to avoid offending the Islamists.

[barb162]

59. I didn't know that about the movie. That's some scary

"rewriting"

[Mike Daniels]

86. Not that having Ben Affleck star in it wasn't offensive enough

but the rewrite was inane. I'm actually surprised Hollywood didn't go all out and make the villians some Christian splinter group.

[rayofreason]

20. Indeed!

The hallmark of the liberal mind is hostility to attempts to shackle the free exercise of inquiry.

Religion must learn to live with the critical faculties we have been endowed with or it will shatter against the progress of knowledge.

[lovuian]

45. I totally agree religious fundamentalism is using people's

devotion and faith and twisting it...

its sick and many terrible wars have been fought over it!!!

[amandabeech]

16. This is the best post that I've read in a long time.

Thanks for so eloquently writing what so many have been thinking.

[barb162]

26. aint it the truth!

[Julius Civitatus]

60. Fully agree with you! - - n/t

[Malikshah]

64. OK-- here are some ideas for other cartoons...

Jesus in camo with an abortion provider in the sights of his high powered rifle, and then dancing over the body of the dead doctor triumphantly.

Jesus in bed with a crack-addicted whore

Moses planting a bomb in the King David Hotel in 1946

Abraham spying on the U.S. and selling secrets to Israel.

Offensive? You bet. Would they be tolerated? Hell no. Would there be an international outcry by "non-fundamentalists"-- You bet.

So take a hike and deal with the fact that mammoth sized double standards are at work here.

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. Yes, they would be tolerated

They would be criticised, but there wiould not be calls for a government to punish the publisher. There wouldn't be armed men surrounding buildings. There wouldn't be ambassadors being withdrawn from countries.

No double standards. We're not taking a hike - we're staying here with free speech. You can walk away from that if you want. It's your loss.

[Malikshah]

72. Really-- So Book of Daniel and the AFA coniption fit was a fluke?

Sorry-- there would be outrage in this country.

Freedom fries anyone?

[smirkymonkey]

69. Fine with me.

Political Satire. It is meant to be offensive to certain parties - and those parties are free to criticize, boycott and bitch all they want about it. They are not free to threaten people in other countries with death and destruction simply because those countries are not respecting their narrow religious dictates.

I really don't see anything in these cartoons that is any worse than what is portrayed all the time in the Arab/Muslim media against Christians, Jews and Westerners. They can't cry foul when they are guilty of exactly the same kind of behavior.

[Malikshah]

73. Fine w/ me too--but the public at large would have a collective

shit fit over it.

[fakeshemp]

76. self delete

[fakeshemp]

77. Bravo!

Well said, Sir/Ma'am!

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Owner of France Soir sacks managing editor for printing cartoons

France Soir originally said it had published the images in full to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society.

But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, had described France Soir's publication as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4670370.stm

Damn! :wtf:

[smirkymonkey]

23. I think it's about time everybody wake up and admit that Muslim

fundamentalism is completely incompatable with Western secular democracies. I am beginning to think that there is no common ground. It makes me furious that the Arab world thinks they have the right to impose thier narrow-minded world view upon the entire Western world. It also makes me furious that there are those in the west who are caving in to thier blackmail.

[megatherium]

31. I quite agree with you.

These spokespersons for Islam represent a point of view on Islam that is offended to the point of violence by any insult against their religion -- but does not hesitate to say unpleasant things about other religions (particularly Judaism). These fundamentalists do not understand freedom of expression nor freedom of conscience, as demonstrated by the dreadful laws in certain Muslim countries (e.g., "blasphemy" is a capital offense in Pakistan, a crime that tends to be charged against Christians; and Saudis are prohibited from Christian worship, even in the privacy of their own homes).

[KitSileya]

48. Yeah.

They are angry (rightfully so) that Western secular democracies are trying to force their world-view on them, but they think it's quite alright to force the Western secular democracies to follow theirs. It's hypoctitical, and the only standard that should be allowable, is humanism - respect for another human being. That's the one thing we have in common - we're all humans, whether we're Chinese or Arab, Christian or Muslim.

Printing these caricatures isn't an offence in such regard - it doesn't hinder a human being from living a good, fulfilled life; it doesn't even hinder him or her from exercizing their faith. Keepi
ng women as chattels, killing those who leave Islam, killing gays, on the other hand, is an offence against all human rights.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

90. ANY fundamentalism is. It just happens that...

...religious fundamentalism is better contained in our neck of the woods -- for now. What the Muslim fanatics are doing is what Christian fanatics wish they could do but can't -- for now.

[barb162]

27. Now it gets more and more interesting

But I notice an Italian paper has picked up the cartoons too.

[KDLarsen]

49. Raymond Lakah was born in Egypt

So there's a fair chance that he may be a muslim as well, and have been offended by the drawings.

[VirginiaDem]

24. I just got through the entire thread without finding one

PC objection to the cartoons. What a pleasant relief.

[barb162]

28. LOL!!!

[barb162]

29. Anger as papers reprint cartoons of Muhammad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1700224,00.html


"snip
The front page of the daily France Soir, however, carried the defiant headline: "Yes, we have the right to caricature God," and a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud. Inside, the paper ran the drawings. The centre-right Die Welt also ran the caricature on the front page, reporting that Muslim groups had forced the Danish newspaper to issue an apology. The outrage in the Muslim world was hypocritical, the paper said, pointing out that Syrian television had depicted Jewish rabbis as cannibals.

Yesterday Roger Köppel, editor-in-chief of Die Welt, said he had no regrets. He told the Guardian: "It's at the very core of our culture that the most sacred things can be subjected to criticism, laughter and satire. If we stop using our journalistic right of freedom of expression within legal boundaries then we start to have a kind of appeasement mentality."

He added: "This is a remarkable issue. It's very important we did it. Without this there would be no Life of Brian."snip


Life of Brian???? SOmebody help me!

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. Do you mean "what is 'Life of Brian'"? Or is that a rhetorical question?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/

It was a major issue when it came out - "disrespectful of Jesus", "blasphemous", "third rate". A few councils in Britain refused to allow it to be shown. These days, it gets voted as Britain's favourite comic film. If you haven't seen it, do. It's some of Python's best work, and has actual messages too.

[barb162]

32. When I read that line, I nearly fell off the chair laughing.

In all this talk about boycotts, death threats, demonstrations, etc., this newspaper person somehow thought of this very funny movie. Like how did that pop in his head? But it works, it actually works... the comedy with the religious aspects of the movie and this story about the cartoons. Back then I guess there weren't death threats for movies that offended certain segments of the population. I don't remember any controversy about it at all. I remember a lot of controversy about "Last Tango in Paris" but not" Life of Brian."

[smirkymonkey]

36. One of my favorite quotes from Graham Chapman:

"We don't deliberately set out to offend. Unless we feel it's justified. And in the case of certain well-known religions, it was justified."

That pretty much sums up my feelings about this whole business.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Life of Brian caused a furor when it first came out, but nobody

was threatening to boycott or terrorize England.

"The opening salvo in what became a heated and often surreal religious war of words arrived on August 19 from Rabbi Abraham Hecht, president of the Rabbinical Alliance of America, who claimed to speak for half a million Jews. Speaking in Variety, he declared, "Never have we come across such a foul, disgusting, blasphemous film before."

Hecht went on to make public his view that Brian "was produced in hell".

After Hecht's denunciation, outraged religious leaders queued up to vent their spleen to any hack with a microphone, in stark contrast to other more liberal churchmen who defended the film's right to be shown.

The voice of Protestant protest belonged to Robert EA Lee of the Lutheran Council, whose tirade against Brian - "crude and rude mockery, colossal bad taste, profane parody. A disgraceful assault on religious sensitivity" - was broadcast across 1,000 radio stations.

Not to be outdone, the Catholic film-monitoring office rated Brian "C" for "Condemned" and implored its flock not to visit theatres where it was playing, it being a sin to do so.

Naturally, the protests and marches only served to heighten Brian's media profile and so increase its box-office take. Nothing sells better than when it comes attached to the whiff of notoriety. When the shit started hitting the fan Stateside, the original plan to open Brian on 200 screens nationwide snowballed to nearer 600."

Life of Brian was one of my favorite movies! I can't imagine it ever being forbidden!

[barb162]

37. That's all news to me and thanks for posting it. I simply have

no recollection of all that controversy about it.

When I hear Rush Limbaugh do his daily crap about liberals, it never occurs to me to want to kill him or send death threats or boycott Florida oranges.

[Andromeda]

40. Well, I don't know........

When I hear Rush Limbaugh do his daily crap about liberals, it never occurs to me to want to kill him or send death threats or boycott Florida oranges.

With Rush I might make an exception. :sarcasm:

[barb162]

54. LOL

I have tried calling him a few times as I want to discuss his lies with him on his show. Did you ever notice how he cuts liberals off mid-sentence, just hangs up on them? Primal scream. But his phone is always busy. This one time I was driving and he said he wasn't going to be happy until every liberal was off every college campus in the USA , except as janitors. I am a great believer in not using cell phones while driving so I pulled over and must have dialed that bastard's number about 50 times! Never got through.

[AngryAmish]

61. I love the scene with the centurian and the graffiti guy

"Romans Home Going?"

[lovuian]

46. Life of Brian is a Monty Python movie parody of a kid born

on the same day as Jesus in Bethlehem...
:rofl: You have to see it... but its a hillarious take on Jesus and his life... One of my favorite scenes is the stoning

Where the Prefect gets ticked off at the crowd for being overzealous and throwing stones before he commands it... Out of frustration he gives up...

Ya gotta see it...
:rofl:

[Nevernose]

75. When I forst rented LOB, it was kept in a safe in the porno section

Seriously. And it wasn't even the 70s, when the movie came out, but in 1990. When I asked for it, the guy behind the counter told me I'd need either ID or my mother would have to come in person. Myn mom came in and trooped into the porno section in support of my right to see a rated R movie. To my 16 year old mind, it was paradise: row upon row of "Jizz Filled Anal Sluts" and "Oral Orgy Volume 93."

I thought she was going to die of shock and embarrasment, since my mom is the last of the prim and proper Southern Belles (though I wasn't renting this in the South, but in LAS VEGAS!). She took it in stride, though, and watched as the man opened the safe, pushing aside the large amounts of cash and two other movies (I've always wondered what they were), and removed a copy of "Life of Brian." It was covered with a sticker labeled "WARNING" and a THREE PARAGRAPH ESSAY regarding the dangers and contentiousness of that particular movie.

So I bet I could find a seedy street in Damascus right this second and purchase a pornographic snuff film and nobody in the store would think twice. Making fun of their religion, though, even if done in moslt good taste, like those cartoons...

Then again, times have changed in America, even since 1990. For instance, I bought the Criterion Collection version of LOB at a mainstream outlet store last year. Methinks it will take a while for Arabic culture to change so drastically, however.

[featherman]

35. Will any mainstream American press publish the cartoons

or have all been cowed into submission for fear of possibly offending SOMEBODY somewhere? Time to step forward for something or just roll over and continue to let religious fundamentalism and primitive superstition start dictating all our lives.

[lovuian]

47. Ya know thats a dang good point... Any papers publish this???

not that I have heard...

[hogwyld]

52. Not a chance

If the editor of France Soir can get fired, no editor will risk that here. Besides, do we really want a couple of million Muslims in the streets calling for Jihad? Nope, the media has been whupped into submission by the Rethugs, and the PC crowd.

[barb162]

55. If newspaper editors have to crosscheck

how an article or cartoon may be or is offensive to every group they may as well close up shop. I am simply not understanding why the tolerant should have to tiptoe around those who are intolerant. The Palestinians have shut the EU office and Danes are getting death threats in the Mideast.

Per CNN
snip
"Palestinian officials said the gunmen were threatening to kidnap European workers if the European Union did not apologize"snip

[AnnieBW]

38. Payback's a Bitch, Ain't It?

How many times have Christians and Jews been maligned in newspapers in the Muslim world? You can't watch Al Jazeera with someone saying that Americans are Satanic, etc. It's okay for state-sponsored TV stations in Egypt to put on anti-Jewish propaganda like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", but insult Mohammed and they want to attack?

I like the statement from "France Soir"

Extract from yesterday's France Soir

It is necessary to crush once again the infamous thing, as Voltaire liked to say. This religious intolerance that accepts no mockery, no satire, no ridicule. We citizens of secular and democratic societies are summoned to condemn a dozen caricatures judged offensive to Islam. Summoned by who? By the Muslim Brotherhood, by Syria, the Islamic Jihad, the interior ministers of Arab countries, the Islamic Conferences - all paragons of tolerance, humanism and democracy.

So, we must apologise to them because the freedom of expression they refuse, day after day, to each of their citizens, faithful or militant, is exercised in a society that is not subject to their iron rule. It's the world upside down. No, we will never apologise for being free to speak, to think and to believe.

Because these self-proclaimed doctors of law have made this a point of principle, we have to be firm. They can claim whatever they like but we have the right to caricature Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha, Yahve and all forms of theism. It's called freedom of expression in a secular country ...

For centuries the Catholic church was little better than this fanaticism. But the French Revolution solved that, rendering to God that which came from him and to Caesar what was due to him.

[Julius Civitatus]

58. Great editorial. I fully agree with "France Soir."

[upi402]

41. "Its all so religiousy" LOL

:hi:

[barb162]

56. Gunmen close EU's Gaza office in cartoon dispute

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/02/gaza.cartoon/

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Palestinian gunmen shut down the European Union's office Thursday in Gaza City, Palestinian security sources said, demanding an apology in a row over European newspapers running cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammad.

The gunmen left a notice on the EU office's door that the building would remain closed until Europeans apologize to Muslims, many of whom consider the cartoons offensive.

Mask-wearing members of the militant group Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the armed wing of former Palestinian ruling party Fatah, fired bullets into the air, and a man read the group's demands.

Palestinian officials said the gunmen were threatening to kidnap European workers if the European Union did not apologize.
snip

[Julius Civitatus]

57. Western societies should NOT buckle to this thuggery!

I can understand THEY have their own rules for their religious followers, but I find it extreme and OBSCENE that the rest of the world, and particularly our democratic western societies, have to bend over and bow to their specific rules.

Mind you, I think a cartoon about any religious figure can be offensive, no matter the religion. No doubt. But what we are talking here is our societies making exceptions in our FREEDOM of SPEECH for Islam.

Sorry, I don't buy that. And I think that if these European newspapers and governments bend over and reprimand their journalists over this matter, it would be a HUGE MISTAKE. It would only encourage fundamentalist Muslims to step up on their demands. Today it's a cartoon; tomorrow it would be an article criticizing any political or religious leader in the Islamic world. I don't think so. Same rules should apply to everyone, because that's one of the basis of our Western democracies (at least in theory). And now they had the gall to threaten journalist and newspapers in western countries for publishing these cartoons. This is disgusting, and we need to stand for PRINCIPLE!!!

When the religious leaders of Iran persecuted Salman Rushdie for publishing his book "The Satanic Verses", we didn't capture and hand him over to Iran to show "respect to their religious traditions." We shouldn't do that over these cartoons. We need to stand for principle. We follow democratic rules here. Period.

[barb162]

63. You eloquently described this problem

and my thinking coincides with yours. Free Press and Free Speech just cannot be undermined!

[napsi]

62. Excuse me if I don't give

a shit how the muslim/islamic fundies feel about this cartoon. I'll be happy to bash any fundie anytime anywhere......whenever I damn well feel like it. I'm tired of walking on egg shells around these people. It makes us look like hypocrits that we have no problem bashing the whack job christian and jewish fundies but yet temper our opinions toward muslim fanatics. Screw em...all of them.

[smirkymonkey]

67. Thank you!

I feel the same way - the problem is getting worse. Now they are starting with the death threats and threats of increase terrorism. I guess they don't see the irony in thier reaction, do they?

[Spinoza]

68. As we used to say:

Right On!

[DemExpat]

70. I'll join you!

:thumbsup:

:nuke:

DemEx

[fakeshemp]

81. I agree 100%!

[Julius Civitatus]

88. Careful. The PC police may come to correct you

Seriously, they may even call you "racist" for daring to say those things!

Now seriously, right on. I fully agree with you.

:-)

[The Governor]

71. ...thus, demonstrating that there is indeed an element of truth

in those cartoons.

[Harper_is_Bush]

74. Internet calls for attacks on Michael Moore, Canada, and birds..

:crazy:

[KDLarsen]

78. In related news..

This morning, the Danish embassy in Jakarta was stormed by protestors who demanded an apology. However, the Danish ambassador then told them (in Indonesian) about the newspaper's apology if anyone felt offended, and the Danish PM's speech from 1/31 where he regretted that people feelings had been hurt. The latter was apparently news to them, as they subsequently left the embassy.

Also, this morning the Danish PM held a meeting with all of the ambassadors to Denmark (not just the original 11 muslim ambassadors who had requested a meeting), to explain the Danish governments point of view in this case. And yesterday, the PM gave an exclusive 25 minute interview to the Arab TV station Al Arabyia (or how the heck you spell it).

Elsewhere, the Pakistani House (I guess you could call it that) issued a statement, calling for the Pakistani Senate to impose economic and political sanctions on Denmark.

[PatGund]

82. And here in Doha------

Every single hypermarket and restaurant I've seen has a "No Danish Products" sign on it.

And the US Embasssy just sent out this email:

"Peaceful mid-day muslim solidarity demonstration today (3 February) after noon prayers at the main Mosque in the Landmark Mall area. Traffic to be disrupted. Avoid area if possible.

This message is sent to you by an automatic email service used by the Embassy and is a warden message"

[KDLarsen]

83. Interesting

Any word on what the noon prayers in Doha contained? The Danish diplomatic corps is watching all over the Middle East, hoping of course for prayers of reconcilliation instead of continued hatred against all things Danish.

[PatGund]

84. Nope

No idea at all. Not being a Muslim or speaking Arabic, (other than the bare amount I've picked up to survive here), I don't know what the rallies are about other than being further denuncations against the cartoons

[WinkyDink]

87. See, here's the difference.

Christian groups would also take offense, but call for financial boycotts.
Muslims? They do not collect $200, they go directly to violence.

smirkymonkey, you ask: What right does the Muslim world have to determine what other countries can and cannot do in their own lands.
The answer: Muslims believe that wherever lives a Muslim, that land, ergo et ipso facto, IS Muslim.

As for Europe, and therefore Western Civilzation: by 2020 Muslims will account for 10% of the overall population of Europe. Within 20 years, Muslims will be 30% of France - in 30 or 40 years, a majority. In ten years, Muslims will be the majority in Spain and Italy.

VERY frightening article here: http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

[madmark]

89. more fatwa bullshit; you don't like what someone says you

try to kill them is the fundamentalist muslim party line; that cartoon hit home and if you don't like go f yourself; it would be great if we could stick our right wing fundamentalists and the al quada fundamentalists in a big bag and let them work out their issues and let everybody else live their lives.

[Matariki]

91. The INTERNET must be an 'enemy combatant'

off to gitmo with it.

[rayofreason]

92. The Jihadis have exposed themselves...

Take a look at this article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060202/en_afp/denmarkmediaislam_060202153208

Rushdie execution would have stopped insults: Hezbollah

..."If there had been a Muslim to carry out Imam Khomeini's fatwa against the renegade Salman Rushdie, this rabble who insult our Prophet Mohammed in Denmark, Norway and France would not have dared to do so," Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah said in remarks published Thursday...

There it is, this all you need to know. The Islamists want to kill those who dare disagree with them and terrorize the rest into silence. And their sights are unlimited, since, by the word of God, the laws of Islam are universal and must apply to all human societies.

No one should question the fact that the radical Salafist Jihadi movement is beyond taming or containing, and that it must be vigorously opposed, discredited, and finally discarded in the dustbin of history. There will be no peace in the world until that happens.

[smirkymonkey]

94. Hear, hear.

These people do not want respect or cooperation, they want to crush everthing that isn't them. I can't understand why so many so-called liberals/progressives stand up for them, when they stand for everything that we strive to eliminated in society.

[Boo Boo]

93. Angry over a cartoon depicting the prophet with a bomb for a head...

they threaten to bomb people.

:shrug:

[lovuian]

95. Now I've heard they are boycotting Europe products!!!

and the Euro is falling...

[Behind the Aegis]

96. Norway

Perhaps, if Norway is attacked over a cartoon, it will stop its aid to the PA. It is the number 10 donor to the PA. Talk about cutting your nose off despite your face.

[madmark]

97. Bushco just came out against the cartoons; it is apparently

impossible for them to get on the right side of an issue.