UPDATE: CNN: Shirt tales different for Sheehan, Republican's wife

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Call it the tale of two different shirts worn by two very different women: a well-known peace activist who has agitated the White House and a lawmaker's wife who has staunchly supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan wore a shirt with the message, "2,245 Dead. How many more?" -- a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.

Beverly Young, the wife of 18-term Republican U.S. Rep. Bill Young of Florida, wore a shirt that read, "Support the Troops."

Both women's shirts resulted in their owners being ejected from the House chamber before President Bush's State of the Union address on Tuesday night.

More: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/

(Mods, if this is considered a dupe, I understand, but I thought the headline and story was noteworthy on its own. Thanks!)

[AllegroRondo]

1. One was asked to leave, one was arrested

BIG difference.

[KittyWampus]

18. Cindy was asked to leave before officer knew who she was....

and that's according to her own account.

So in the end, this is a matter of a regular citizen getting roughed up while someone with clout doesn't.

It's not right, and maybe Cindy has a lawsuit.

But so many black people get subjected to so much worse treatment every single day that I can't think that this is way too much attention getting paid to Cindy for the WRONG reasons.

[Kire]

20. They knew she was anti-war

and Mrs. Young was pro-war

[rush07]

2. At least it goes both ways I guess......n/t

[JetCityLiberal]

4. How's that?

One ARRESTED and the rethug's wife 'asked' to leave???

welcome to du...

[OnRee]

10. I thought I'd read...

...that Cindy was asked to leave, too, at first. Anybody know for sure?:shrug:

[tuvor]

11. Check Michael Moore's site.

He's got her account there.

[OnRee]

13. Thanks!

:hi:

[rush07]

12. I thought I read that the charges were dropped.

I may be wrong, though. And Thanks!

[Dr Fate]

14. That changes nothing- free speech was chilled by the arrest.

The fact that the charges were dropped changes nothing- Bush hates free speech and hates people who use it to oppose him.

[rush07]

17. So if she had not been arested and only asked to leave....

Her free speach would not have been infringed upon? That makes no sense. Neither shirt was in the hall during the speach. Either they both had their free speach "chilled" or they didn't. I am sick of us always playing the victim.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

23. It's not that black and white...

Cindy was arrested and treated poorly, while the other was not.

Both removals were of people in the public eye and with differing opinions. One was treated properly, the other was not.

Therein lies the rub. Read the whole piece with an eye toward the aftermath.

Enjoy your stay!

[Dr Fate]

24. She was arrested by police officers and placed into custody.

If you dont see why that would frighten people into NOT using free speech, you are an idiot.

I dont know what happened to the other lady- if anything even happened at all.Ive yet to see the film of her leaving the Capital. If she was wearing a shirt that supported Bush, she should have been allowed to stay too.


No one is "playing victim"- she IS a victim-who was arrested and man-handled- we have the film to prove it.

[tuvor]

16. I don't believe the republican's wife was roughed up, was she? n/t

[rush07]

19. So if she had been led out nicely

you would have problem with the situation? c'mon. And I have not seen any pictures showing her getting roughed up. I read her message on MM's site and I know she is upset because her arm was squeezed too hard, but she seems too intelligent not to realize that she was not going to be able to stay. She loves to play the victim and thats my problem with her. I support her cause but feel she could be much more effective with alternate methods.

[tuvor]

22. Don't presume to know my opinion. And stay on topic.

You're the one who said it "went both ways". Let's limit discussion to whether it did or not.

I'm countering that since Sheehan says she was "treated roughly" (Sorry, but I'm willing to take her word for it), well, no it didn't go both ways. Not unless you know something about the Republican's wife's treatment that I don't.

[Dr Fate]

25. I've seen no pictues of the of the Pro Bush T-shirt at all. Where are they

Was she even wearing it? Do we have a photo of her wearing the shirt in the Capital, or is this like the WMDs- another hoax?

Bush is liar- out of one side of his mouth he claims to support the families of the troops he murdered, on the other hand he has cops arrest them when they are w/i his vicinity.

[kiraboo]

35. Actually, since she was invited, and probably still under

the illusion that free speech is permitted in the U.S.A., it was probably a helluva surprise to be arrested and hauled out.

[Dr Fate]

26. I dont even believe she has wearing that shirt. Photos?

???

[jbnow]

42. republican's wife wasn't roughed up

but it sounded like she roughed them up verbally as they told her to leave. Feisty.

[Toots]

40. What charges were those?

What was she arrested for and why wasn't the other one arrested as well?

[tuvor]

5. Uh...what?

Care to elaborate?

[Dr Fate]

15. Wrong, the Liberal was arrested, the Republican was not...

...we dont even know if the Republican she was really kicked out or not- I've seen no film of it.

[faithnotgreed]

3. from what you included of this article i am surprised at the fair tone

of it although i didnt read the rest

calling her a peace activist is much more accurate and not the usual inflammatory descriptions seen before

[jsamuel]

6. funny, they SAY they are "different", but then never say what the differen

ce was.

They just kind of breeze over it.

I would have liked it if the would have said, "one was asked to leave, the other was arrested and charged."

[JitterbugPerfume]

8. the congressmans wife

has been apologised to according to CNN---they did not "know" if Cindy was apologised to --and they have dropped the charges on Cindy

[liberal N proud]

7. Do we have proof that Old lady Young was thrown out?

The only pictures I have seen are of them holding up a t-shirt and of the old man on the floor.
I have not seen definitive proof that this actually happened to the old battle ax.

I am still thinking about that finger in the chili at Wendy's

I must be shown that this woman actually was thrown out before I will believe that it isn't a stunt.
A Reich Wing Propaganda stunt!

[Tempest]

28. Remember Parlock?

I too believe the story is B.S. and it never happened.

So far the only evidence is the word of Young and his wife.

[azurnoir]

9. Does anyone know

what the time lapse between the 2 incidents was?

[daleo]

21. Well, the Republican was thrown out after Sheehan

According to one account I read (if it is true). I didn't see a time difference though.

[Dr Fate]

27. Is there a single photo of this woman even wearing that shirt? n/t

n/t

[Scooter24]

29. Which one?

Sheehan or the Rep's wife?

[Dr Fate]

30. The reps wife. I have yet to see a photo of her wearing it there...

...or footage of her leaving the building- we have photos of Sheehan in the capital.

[daleo]

31. I have yet to see footage

Since she was supposed to be near Pickles, one would think there would have been a camera pointed in that general direction.

[seafan]

32. This reminds me of a *shaken* Bill Frist when he announced that

*their offices* were thought to be targets of poisoned letters, too.

Questionable assertions to cloud the issue.

But we'll see if any photos emerge for the Rep's wife...

[Raine]

33. Two different shirts..Yes

but not really two different messages BOTH support the troops but in different ways.

[Rex]

34. Bullshit, there are no coincidences in the BFEE

The Whore News Organizations will push this crap until it is an accepted norm. Nevermind the fact that although there are many pictures of Cindy, NOT ONE DAM PICTURE has surfaced of this so-called Beverly Young person.

[daleo]

36. Perhaps they have an expert photoshopper at work right now

Good forgeries take time.

[Hissyspit]

37. Sheehan's shirt said Support the Troops, too.

It just said it with different words.

[TygrBright]

38. Not terribly accurate...

...as Bev Young has not "staunchly supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq." She has spoken publicly on her concern for the damage being done to the troops there, and she is well-known among military families (especially those whose servicemembers have been wounded) as someone who supports the SERVICEMEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

She has not been an anti-war activist, either. But just because someone isn't an anti-war activist doesn't make them a "staunch supporter" of the war.

In her own way, she *may* have been trying to send the same message Cindy Sheehan was sending, but more subtly. Hardly surprising, since her husband is more conservative than she is and a Congressman as well. They are reputedly a close couple and that has doubtless meant compromises for them both in terms of how passionately and publicly they express opinions that differ from each other.

Since she hasn't issued any official statements, etc., to that effect, there is no way to know what her intentions were in selecting her attire for attending SOTU. Her husband was understandably irate that his wife was ejected, he said so, and since he's a Republican you could hardly expect him to turn it into a blanket condemnation of his own Party's Administration, leadership, etc., and take up the cudgels in Ms Sheehan's defense as well.

If the Capitol Police were more polite and deferential to a Congressman's wife (and they would have known darn well who she was, some seating is assigned,) well, can you blame them? Congresscritters' spouses DO get different treatment from people who don't have the "inside" connection, especially people who are known principally for their protests. Capitol Police probably have standing orders to do everything possible NOT to arrest Congresscritters' family members. No such orders pertaining to protesters unrelated to those same Congresscritters. Not exactly surprising, and had the situation been a well-known conservative protestor and a Democratic Congressman's wife at a SOTU being delivered by a controversial Democratic President, I would have expected more or less the same thing... assuming, that is, that the Democratic Administration had all gone looneytunes and embraced fascism and the repression of free speech and issued such orders to the Capitol Police.

(I am NOT, BTW, condoning, excusing, or apologizing for their moronic attempts to restrict Ms Sheehan's freedom of speech, and I hope to hell she whacks them with one hell of a civil rights lawsuit to that effect. I'm just saying that reality isn't always neat & tidy & black-and-white.)

patiently,
Bright

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. The Fairness Doctrine in reverse.

A real event matched with a fake one.

Everbody goes away happy.

:eyes:

[Cooley Hurd]

41. DUer Binka has an interesting thread on Bev Young:

OMG! I Just Remembered Bev Young Visited Ben At Bethesda. She Is A SLAG!