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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:35 PM
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Iran Incapable of Building Nuclear Bomb — Russian Expert
Iran is not capable of building its own nuclear weapons, the former head of a nuclear power plant and current regional leader in southern Russia said Wednesday.

“In reality, the U.S. is provoking Iran, accusing it of aiming, along with the implementation of its peaceful nuclear programs, to create its own nuclear weapons,” Governor of the Saratov Region Pavel Ipatov was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/01/iranunable.shtml
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:38 PM
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1. I doubt that an oil rich country can't build a bomb secretly.
Still, he makes a good point about how the U.S. and France, with their own nukes, are hypocritically demanding Iran stop production of any WMDs.
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truthInCO Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:05 PM
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9. Oil revenue of over 40 billion in 2005
I don't think they are going to cobble something together with popsicle sticks and duct tape. They are going to use their vast wealth to buy, bribe, and otherwise attract educated talent to do it for them. Hell, it's hard to believe some fractured '-stan' from the former soviet union hasn't sold em something already.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:46 PM
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2. The war mongers
in this country wish to over simplify nuclear bomb making in order to create hysteria among the fearful.

When in fact we have nothing to fear except fear itself. So said FDR in order to bolster strength of heart among our peoples.

God damn living in fear to please Bush and his ilk.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:02 PM
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3. ok remember this when B** bombs Iran and then says EVERYONE
said they had NUKE-U-LAR weapons...
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:05 PM
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4. B...b...b...b...but what about those nuKlear blueprints they...
bought on the black market?:scared:

NuKlear Bombs for Dummies
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:23 PM
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5. Aluminum tubes!
Trailers!
Part of a centrifuge buried under a rose bush!
Niger documents!

Let's roll, America. Time for another pre-emptive ass-whoopin'.

Heh heh.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:24 PM
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6. Hope Mr. Pavel Ipatov doesn't have a wife whose...
identity could be compromised... Or whose life our glorious leaders can ruin.
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Sejanus Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:26 PM
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7. nukes
I don't know why the U.S. is so worried about Iran building a Nuke when suitcase nukes have been on sale since the fall of the Soviet Union and it is only do to God's grace that they weren"t used here-SEJANUS
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:29 PM
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12. Your source?
Would be interesting reading.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:26 PM
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8. Yes
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 06:28 PM by Pavulon
A uranium gun device is so complicated that in 1944 we deployed it without ever testing it.

This guy is full of it.

Edit. completed design in 44 fired in 45
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:19 PM
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10. It was a misleading headline. What he said was: "secretly"
“Iran is in no state to create a nuclear bomb secretly.”
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:27 PM
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11. Once
a hundred twenty pounds or so of HEU 80 percent or so is accumulated and machined just so and a neutron source is invented and fuzing and firing circuits are designed to function properly in nano seconds and a missile delivery system able to carry a four ton plus payload accurately to a target then at that time the fearful can say "I TOLD YOU SO."

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:02 PM
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13. It is
very political.
However the technology we use for cnc machining can cut metal to tolerances well beyond(.5 thousandth) the best machinist in the world in 44. Computer aided turning and milling software can allow a pretty green machinist to cut very precise components.

They have thousands of cyclotrons and IAEA found uranium beyond 80%. Iran blamed the pakis, who sold them the equipment black market.

Iran is not Iraq. We should be very careful with them. No they do not have a sandia sitting around cranking out weapons. Personally I think they are working on a bomb. But that is my opinion and those are pretty common..

I did EE at NC State we played around with switches that could easily be used in an implosion bomb. We used them for network equipment. Cheap, and probably exportable. Scary now that I think about it.

However a simple Uranium Gun device does not need that type of precise timing to smash two pieces of metal together to get critical mass. No fancy explosive lenses. Not an expert but read Rhodes books and sat through physics.

Don't know what a big dong ill, or whatever the iranians called it after they bought it, can carry.

regards.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:28 PM
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15. I am something of a machinist
They are everywhere machinists are. Good ones too.

They will need a nuclear weapons designer/engineer to tell them what shapes and dimensions are required of the HEU for the gun type design and then the neutron source and the tamper etc.

For the implosion device they would require plutonium and maybe tritium-deuterium gases depending on their level of expertise. There is no claim that Iran is working to produce the plutonium required for an implosion device.

The little boy weighed in around three to four tons. Hardly suitable for missile delivery.

I refuse to be frightened by false information into supporting a war. As we all should do; refuse to be frightened into submission.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:49 PM
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16. I agree
I do not think there is an imminent threat. They are, imho, trying.

I think this should be handled by europe, in a patient manner. I do see two trains heading straight at each other now. That concerns me more than the potential iranian bomb.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:56 PM
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17. You could
just use canned g code to cut the shapes. I am sure these are already floating around somewhere.

We send them from plant to plant. A designer\sr guy works it up in R&D and then it is sent to plants all over.

The machines are restricted, I believe, so a plant in China may not use the same macine as on in germany.

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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:25 PM
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18. I am not familiar
with that. Of course the required shapes would have to be programmed into the computer controls.

But first of course the design must be arrived at and 'Dry run' tested for mechanical function and reliability.

Manual machines were my toys. I am an old guy.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:47 PM
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19. We use
pre programmed instructions and then pass them around for production. So R&D can work up a set of machine instructions and then send it out on a cd or even an email. It is uploaded to the machine which executes it. Very reliable.

From my understanding a good bit if the design is still done on manual machines and then reproduced. The machines can "scan" a component and then translate it into instructions for the milling and cutting machines. There is usually some fine tuning of what the computer comes up with but it is very close.

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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:57 PM
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20. I have seen some of
these amazing machines in action. A machine shop down the street from me makes exotic things. The venus lander, the DSRV spheres, a sphere designed to focus numerous laser beams at the center point for fusion experiments. (What does that put you in mind of?) The owner now deceased was a friend of mine. He showed me from time to time the neat projects they were working on.

Bed time. Fun talking with you.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:05 PM
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21. the first nuke used in anger against the U.S. won't be delivered-
by a missile.

personally, i think the first one detonated against us on our soil will be one that somebody builds in a house, apartment, tool shop, etc.

otherwise, the "delivery system" is more likely going to be:

container ship,
private boat,
private plane.

that is, unless china or north korea do something really really whacky.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:19 PM
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14. Nazi Germany incapable of annexing Austria n/t
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