Muqtada Al-Sadr arrives Damascus

[bemildred]

DAMASCUS, Feb 5 (KUNA) -- Iraqi religious leader Muqtada Al-Sadr arrived here Sunday for talks with Syrian leaders on security and political developments in Iraq, state-run news agency (SANA) said.

It quoted official sources as saying Al-Sadr would meet president Bashar Al-Assad to discuss the political and security aspects of life in Iraq within the overall political process and formation of the Iraqi government.

KUNA

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. Now that I wasn't expecting. You'd think that he hates

everything related to the Ba'ath party because of his dad's murder.

[Nickster]

2. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Syrian Ba'ath party is controlled

by Shi'a and not the Sunnis. Where it was the reverse situation in Iraq.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

3. OK, I thought it was the other way around. n/t

[happyslug]

11. No, over 70% Sunni Muslim but the President is a Alawite.

Alawaism is a combination of Christian and Islamic traditions into a separate Religion (For example they celebrate the Christian Holidays of Christmas, Epiphany and Easter and use wine in their Religious Services but then calls themselves Muslims). Now Sunni Muslims do NOT consider the the Alawite or Druse to be Moslems) but both believe in the Five Pillars of Islam (and the Alawite and Druse were influenced by Ismaili Islamic influence).

For more on the Alawite see:
http://countrystudies.us/syria/32.htm

While Ismaili is a branch of Shiite Islam, Ismaili is of the "Seveners" branch of Shiite NOT the "Twelvers" branch that dominates Iran. The Difference is over the Successor to the fourth Caliph Ali (Mohammad's son-in-law). All Moslems recognize the first four Caliphs, but start to split at the death of Ali (Through a small branch broke during Ali's Caliphate forming a third branch of Islam, independent of both Sunni and Shiite Traditions). The Shiite's refused to accept the fifth Caliph as legitimate and instead choose Ali's son as their and thus the fifth "Imam" of the Shiites. The Seveners split from the Twelvers at the death of the Ali's Grandson (or the Seventh Imam if you count the first four Caliphs as the first four Shiite Imams). The Majority of Shiites continue to follow Ali's blood line till the 12th Imam disappears as a child during a palace coup. With the disappearance of the twelfth Imam, the Shiite adopted a position similar to the Seveners, i.e. waiting for their leader to come back at the end of time (Though as Moslems they accept that Christ will come back at that time, the Shiites just believe before Christ comes back the Mahdi will lead the Moslem to unity and Victory over the enemies of God). Yes, my fellow Christians the Moslems also believe it is Christ that will come back to earth at the end times NOT Mohammad.

The difference is important for the Seveners and the Twelvers BOTH believe is two DIFFERENT people who will come back and lead them to Victory and Both view each other as Heretics (and both are called heretics by the Sunnis). Thus while Syria is Baathist, its President is NOT of the same branch of Islam as Iran. The Traditional allies of the Alawite in the Middle east had been the Christians of Lebanon (Which is why the father of the present President of Syria sent in the Syrian Army, to save the Christians who were losing the Lebanese Civil War to the Moslems). In the case of Sadr, he is looking for Allies for the upcoming war between America and Iran. I suspect he is a Middle man for Iran, but that the US left him go to Syria trying to keep his Militia happy. The US can NOT fight the Sunni outside Baghdad AND fight Sadr's Militia, thus the US wants to keep him happy and under the control of the Ayatollahs of Iraq.

One of the differences between Sunni and Shiite Islam, is that the Shiite have traditionally been outside the Government while the Sunni were the Government in most Moslems Countries. Do to this fact, Shiite's tend to look to their Religious leaders more than their Political Leaders. Another difference is that the Shiite Religious structure is very Rigid, to better withstand Political efforts to control the Religious hierarchy. In the Sunni Religion the Government PICKS THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS and as such all official Sunni Religious Leaders are Political puppets of the Government. In the Shiite religion the religious hierarchy wants to control the Government while keeping their own Independence (Thus the Iranian solution of having two national leaders, its "Supreme Leader" who is the top religious leader in Iran, and a President of the Islamic Republic).

My point here, Syria is NOT Shiite but Syria's leadership is also NOT Sunni, but when you need allies you take what you can get.

For more on the Ismaili:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-ismaili.htm

For more on the Twelves:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-ithna-ashari.htm

For more on the various branches of Islam:
http://religion-cults.com/Islam/islam5.html


Some Information on the Ismali Offshoot the Assassins (Very Strong Influence at the time of the Crusades):
http://www.accampbell.uklinux.net/assassins/assassins-html/index.html

For more on Syria see:
http://countrystudies.us/syria/

Some of the Difference between Shiite and Sunni Moslems:
http://glimpseofiraq.blogspot.com/2005/02/sunni-shiite-iraq.html

[Nickster]

12. Excellent information,thanks for setting me straight.

[bemildred]

4. Moqtada is a politician and a diplomat.

On the evidence so far, a pretty good one, as he is doing quite well in the new, democratic Iraq. He is therefore a skilled dissembler, and can be expected to smile and make nice when that is called for. He seems to be touring the Middle East and introducing himself around.

Moqtada does seem to have a grievance with Iraqi Baathists.

The Allawite leadership of Syria, while Baathist and on good terms with Saddam, was quite separate institutionally speaking from the Iraqi Baathists, and had nothing to do with what happened to Moqtada's daddy.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. If the armed forces in Iraq manage to piss off this guy and

Ayatollah Al Sistani it's over. Not that it's going anywhere right now, but you know what I mean.

[reprobate]

6. I believe it's reached that point already. Agreements now being made to

support each other against Imperial Bushmerica

[bemildred]

7. It's over now, been over for some time, politically speaking,

although the butchery continues on.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

8. I know it is but what I meant is once the few elements

that "tolerating" the military presence there decide to join the fight. I can't even imagine the bloodshed that will follow.

[bemildred]

9. Well, you are right that Sistani and the Shi'ia are calling the shots.

The occupation has been unwilling to piss them off in any serious way ever since the mini-war in Najaf a year of two ago, and wisely so. We are being used in Iraq, and not for our own ends either. We seem to be losing the initiative in the global political arena now, too. Have you observed that it is as often the US Gov't that is reponding to the political initiatives of other agents, as vice-versa? I don't have the feeling that the Bushites are in control of the agenda lately, and that's a bit new.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

10. I've seen a lot of incompetence in my lifetime.

Never anything like this. They really suck at this whole imperialist thing.

[David__77]

13. The funny thing is, Sadr may be Iraq's best hope.

He is a nationalist and patriot who recognizes the insanity of the "Shia vs. Sunni" game the US wants to set up.

[genie_weenie]

14. Nope.

Al Sadr, has no power over *his* organization. His liuetenants, run the military/political stuff, he is used as a figurehead because of his father's influence.

[bemildred]

15. So, he's like an Iraqi George W. Bush? nt