Soldiers Face Debilitating Diseases (DU?)

[leftchick]

http://www.nbc30.com/news/6837518/detail.html

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“I have good days, I have bad days,” said M. Sterry, of New Haven. “There were eight of us that served together. Six of my friends are dead."

She looks healthy, but Sterry is a very sick woman who has no idea how much longer she will live.

“I've had three heart attacks, two heart surgeries. I have chronic headaches, chronic upper respiratory infections. I get pneumonia two or three times a year,” she said. “I have chronic fatigue, joint aches, muscle aches. I have a rash that migrates all over my body."

Sterry figures the initial symptoms began in Saudi Arabia in September of 1991 while she was serving with the National Guard. Three years later, after completing her tour of duty and coming back home, the symptoms were still there, but much more severe.

State Sen. Gayle Slossberg said one of the sources of the diseases may be depleted uranium. She was one of those who helped pass legislation last year setting up a health registry in Connecticut, strictly to keep records on our military personnel.

[donsu]

1. kicking for justice

nt

[Wilber_Stool]

2. Found this one yesterday

looking up the number of disabilities from the Gulf War. 67% of those that served are on permanent disabilities.

http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml

[RazzleDazzle]

28. 67% of Gulf War vets are on permanent disability?????

Holy shit.

[appleannie1]

33. Something else they are covering up

American babies “Sixty-seven percent of babies born to the 400,000 vets who suffer from Gulf War Syndrome have birth defects,” said Joyce Riley, a former nurse who flew in Iraq and the founder and spokesperson of the American Gulf War Veterans Association. “But the Department of Defense and Veterans Affairs do not want America to know the number of sick, dead and deformed kids that vets are having. It’s another cover-up.”


http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Depleted-Uranium.htm But then it sounds so much better to scream against abortion.

[Ilsa]

29. For real? My brother isn't on disability -- yet.

He was in an artillery unit. Went to Saudi, Iraq, and Kuwait. Hated it and the army. He was older getting into the army, so I bet msot of those guys were younger than him. And now 2/3 are disabled. Shit.

[Dr.Phool]

3. I did a cable tv show on DU last Friday

It was a live call in show. It's the first time a lot of people ever heard of it.

When I was researching the show, the hardest part was verifying all the information, and sorting out the hysteria from fact. It is some deadly stuff, and it's far worse than a lot of us realized.

And that 67% disability rate for soldiers in the first gulf war is accurate. Historically disability rates run at around 5%, sith Vietnam running 10%.

It's especially bad that we've thouroughly poisoned Iraq, and to a lesser extent, Bosnia, and Serbia. But look at what we're doing to our own soldiers.

[NEOBuckeye]

5. That's why we need a new Nuremberg Trial for the Bush Administration

DU is the gift that keeps on giving... for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of years.

100 years from now, DU will still exist wherever it was released.

10,000 years from now, DU will still exist wherever it was released.

100,000 years from now, DU will still exist wherever it was released.

100,000,000 years from now, DU will still exist wherever it was released.

And if the Earth manages to escape being engulfed by our dying, Red Giant Sun in 5 Billion years, the DU released by the US during the past 15 years will STILL exist on the planet.

Essentially, the lands where DU has been released have been poisoned forever.

The human cost of the war crimes Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co. have authorized is incalculable.

[kineneb]

16. DU poisioned lands are the new Carthage.

Not only is the land poisioned, but so are the living things on it.

[happyslug]

9. Yes and I read NOT true of French Troops who served in Gulf War I

But then they did NOT take the anti-chemical warfare shot that most other troops took (and ALL US Troops had to take). The French Commander asked if the drug had been tested and what were the side affects, and was told it had NOT been tested, he REFUSED to permit his troops to take the medication.

Now the medication in question was an Anti-Chemical Warfare drug designed to reduce the affect of Nerve Gas on people. To understand how the drug was suppose to work you must understand how Nerve Gas works. Your body are connected by nerves, which interconnect with each other at nerve endings. The Nerves endings transmit information from one nerve to the next. Nerve gas blocks this transmission at the nerve endings, which leads to NO information going up and down the nervous system. You thus have a complete breakdown of body functions as the body is block from receiving data from the brain (For example you lose control of your bowels, you lose control of your hands and legs which starts to twitch, and finally you control of your body's ability to control its breathing, heart rate, etc and you die).

The Shot given to the troops during Desert Strom I was to prevent Nerve Gas from attaching to the Nerve Endings. Thus it also affected the nerve endings. Thus like Nerve Gas itself the medication would affect all of your body's nerve endings and thus your body. And when I mean you body all or parts of your body depending on how the medication attached to the nerve endings.

Thus the problem may NOT be Iraq itself, but what the US put directly into the bodies of our troops.

Now that does not mean you have other factors coming into play, these are some of those other factors:

1. Release of Chemical Warfare gases when an Ammunition Dump was destroyed the US Army after it had been taken over by the US. It was only later found out that Iraq handled their Chemical Weapons with a different codification system then their conventional munitions. This lead to what is believed to be a large release of Chemical Gases (Mostly Nerve Gases) into the air and as a "light" dose over US and Allied Troops. The US Government has tried to cover this up for this was a HUGE goof by the US high Command in first telling the Army unit to destroy the Ammo Dump and Second NOT giving them information to look for Chemical Warfare Weapons in the Dump first.

2. Since the US Civil War ex-soldiers have complained of "aches and pains" that do not seem to have any end causation. Many Doctors believe these are real aches and pains caused by being in Combat and should be treated a Aches and pains and grounds for disability (and many doctors said right after Desert Strom was one of the best times to test this theory out). Yes, the Aches and Pains may be Psychological in nature but it is the Nature of sending troops into Combat. Again the US did NOT want to do this for it may lead to most Veterans getting Veterans Benefits at a time when Bush I wanted to cut back non-Military Spending even for Veterans.

3. Again the French reported that the few cases of Gulf War Syndrome they had responded to high end anti-Antibiotics. This seems to work on the French Cases (remember French Troops did NOT take the above shot) but US researchers do not report the same success rate (May be that Gulf War Syndrome is caused by more than one vector and thus is NOT one disease but two or more diseases).

Depleted Uranium is often mentioned as a possible causation but they seems to be no connection between exposure and Gulf War Syndrome. I can not exclude Depleted Uranium as a causation but I believe the real problem is the Shot which destroyed a whole generation of Soldiers Nervous systems.

Some more information of the French and Gulf War Syndrome:
http://www.nitrf.org/gulf.html
http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/9/gulf_war.htm
http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/biowar.html
http://mediafilter.org/caq/Caq53.gws.html
http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/1996_09/19960914.html
http://www.nhgws.org/gulfwarsyndrome.htm
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/01/51706.html

[WhiteTara]

14. that is incredible information!

I know a woman whose son was given shots in the army and then he was diagnosed with some terrible forms of cancer. However, it seemed that somehow or other, it was discovered that the injection caused the symptoms and it wasn't cancer. I haven't seen this woman in a couple of years, so I don't know what or if any symptoms have recurred. What boggles my mind is the way the military uses the soldiers as test subjects who have no choice but to receive whatever injection the military doctors want to do. Anti nerve gas shots? Are they insane? Dr. Menegle would be at home in our military.

[happyslug]

22. Yes, the mix of Drugs is probably the cause of Gulf War Syndrome

But between the far left trying to pin the blame on Depleted uranium (which may be a contributing factor, but not the main factor) and the right wing saying Gulf War Syndrome are nothing but people trying ot get a Federal pension for nothing, you have a lot of bad information on Gulf War Syndrome.

Jut remember if your nervous system is attacked (and that is what BOTh nerve gas the the drugs issued to reduce the effect of Nerve Gas) it will affect your WHOLE BODY. Depending on how the chemical hits the nerves of your body it will affect each person differently. Also being a Chemical it can stay in your body for a long time and spread to other people through direct contact (Thus explaining how spouse and children of Gulf War Syndrome Veterans get the disease).

Everything about Gulf War Syndrome can be explained by the mass use of the Chemical Cocktail shot into our soldiers during Desert Storm and all of the other reasons may just be the other reasons I cited in my previous thread. This is NOT true of Stress related "Aches and Pains", mysterious bugs and/or Depleted Uranium.

[WhiteTara]

23. I also read that there

were a huge number of Gulf War vets who are dying of brain tumors. Is that true?

[happyslug]

34. I have NOT read that

but one you consider your Brain is NOTHING but nerve endings not an impossible connection. Present Cancer Theory is based on the belief that your body is constantly making Cancer cells, but your body detects the Cancer Cells and removes them. Cancer occurs when something prevents the removal of the Cancer Cells so that they start to infect other cells. Thus it is possible for Nerve Gas to affect the brain nerve endings and the cells that make up those cells and prevent them from removing Cancer Cells.

Thus it is possible, but I have NOT read any article on that subject. Now the Medical Community may have some Resistance ot the idea unless a direct causation is found. For example over 20 years ago a Researcher noted that in African Tribes that practiced Circumcision of their male children had much less AIDS infection then the tribes that did NOT practice Circumcision. The Medical Community resisted this finding demanding to know if this was true WHAT was causing the difference. It took almost 15 years after the first observation of the difference in infection for a researcher to find what he believed to be the causation (Was do to the weakness of the foreskin in regards to preventing virus from entering the body).

My point I am saying until a direct causation between Brain Cancer and Nerve gas is found, the Medical Community will deny the connection, just like it denied the connection between AIDS and Circumcision.

[errorbells]

26. Have you read the book 'Lab 257'?

I am not even half way through it, but it is very interesting.

If you get a chance, check it out of the library and tell me
what you think?

About 1974 I was infected in the country, in Texas, with Lyme and Babesia (perhaps more)about 20 miles up the road from Bergstrom Air Force Base (now closed)

Didn't get diagnosed til 1994.
I will never be cured....even after many years of treatment.
Have been on Zithromax this past week...I am always sick now.

Anyway, her symptoms sound very familiar to me and there is always the
possibility she had Lyme or *something when she was given vaccines, they can sometimes activate latent Lyme Disease. That is the theory....

That to me, is just one possibility.

[happyslug]

35. I have not rad that book, but LYME is a s spirochetes Bacteria.

Like Syphilis (Treponema pallidum http://www.wadsworth.org/databank/treponem.htm) it is a spirochetes Bacteria (i.e. has a spiral shape).

Picture of Lyme disease cause Bacteria (Borrelia burgdorferi):

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/index.htm

These spiral shaped Bacteria do affect the nervous system (As does a disease from Sand Fleas). Thus these spiral shaped Bacteria can cause all types of problems with pain.

One note, one of the problem with Syphilis was that while Sulfa and than Penicillin were effect against it if caught before Syphilis penetrated the water-brain protection, but once the Syphilis entered the brain neither was effective (But Tetracycline invented in the early 1950s is). Thus if you suspect one of the cause of your problem is a Spiral Bacteria ask your doctor to try the stronger anti-biotic (Please note I am NOT a Doctor, go with your Doctor's advice over mine, I am just trying to provide background NOT medical advice).

[TheWraith]

41. Your information is quite good. Nice job.

A lot of people around here spew the most ridiculous things about depleted uranium, probably as the result of some anti-nuclear crusade, but they ignore the facts of the situation and other probable causes. One is the injections that you mentioned. Another is the destruction of weapons dumps that you also mentioned. Yet another, the toxic fallout from oil well fires, and the chemical cocktail they created. Any or all of the above are a good explanation for why we see such a disaster among Gulf War vets, but no such reports coming out of Kosovo or elsewhere.

[Mnemosyne]

10. The use of depleted uranium is

a war crime, plain and simple! 67% disability rate should be considered a war crime in some way. It proves they place Kissinger's value on our soldiers!:grr:

Each and every president that has used this heinous shit should be charged with such!

Do you know which year it was first used Dr. Phool? I know the Gulf War was the first major use of it, but did anyone use it before that? Raygun?

As much as I adored Big Dawg, even he is guilty. :(

V

[Mnemosyne]

11. Thank you for working to get the word out!

Too many have not a clue about this. They hear depleted and think "Oh, it's not bad, it's depleted."

Argh!

[Mnemosyne]

4. Even the wives of the soldiers seem to be suffering with

increased rates of cervical cancer. I'll try to find the link. It was awhile back when I read it.

It is a nightmare that is only going to become much worse as time goes on. And those living in the lands it is used in have an even worse nightmare. :cry:

Six of her friends are dead. What have we done?! :cry:

on edit-
Here's one link I found, though I'm sure I read this in another place.

http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/paper244/news/2005/08/29/Opinion/Making.War.A.Little.More.Hellish-971274.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailyutahchronicle.com

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Not only are the soldiers suffering, but their families are also feeling the effects of depleted uranium shells. Hawkins and Shetterly said that there is a 67 percent birth defect rate among children of veterans of the first Gulf War. Male veterans also transfer depleted uranium contamination through sexual intercourse, causing an increase in cervical cancer and miscarriages among military wives.

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In 1997, Dr. Asaf Durakovic, Professor of Radiology and Nuclear Medicine at Georgetown University, claimed that the Veteran's Administration had asked him to lie about the risks of incorporating depleted uranium in the human body.

Durakovic went on to say that "uranium does cause cancer, uranium does cause mutation, and uranium does kill...We are doing disservice to ourselves, disservice to the truth, disservice to God and to all the generations who follow."
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V

[Dr.Phool]

6. It's transmitted through the reproduction system

Not only cervic cancer, but birth defects too.

[Mnemosyne]

13. See my post #12 below Doc. n/t

[NEOBuckeye]

7. Soldiers can pass the DU poisoning on to their spouses and partners

Which means that there will be many instances of DU poisoning showing in people who never even set foot in the Middle East or Eastern Europe. And more children will be born with severe defects.

[Mnemosyne]

12. When a child is born now in Iraq, the first question

is not, "Is it a boy or a girl?" but, "Is it normal?"

I have seen the pictures. I looked to be witness, not as a ghoul. I don't even watch most horror movies because I just can't. I just felt a moral obligation to see and remember.

It is a living nightmare. I did not sleep for days after seeing the photos of those babies.

I will never forget.

[mom cat]

24. You are so right. It is monsterous what we have done to those babies.

Where the fuck are all those "pro life" fetus worshipers when you really need them. I think that we must also recognize that those babies ans their parents did not get "the shot". I believe that both DU and the "shot" are causes of the high disability rate among Gulf War vets and both need to be taken seriously!

[Mnemosyne]

31. Those pro-back alley abortionists do not

consider the Iraqi's human mom cat. These are the same people that would have had slaves with no conscience for the same reason.

My heart has been so broken since I saw the photos of those babies. I will never be the same. And to know that many of our own kids will be and are having children with some of those same birth defects due to our government causes a rage to grow inside such as I have never felt before. And I am not unfamiliar with rage. A young woman close to me was brutally attacked in 1996, by four men as vengeance, I really know rage.

It did not have to be. All I can say is karma, or for the people that are Christians, "As ye' sow, ye' shall reap." It affects nations as well as individuals. We are fucked for a very long time I'm afraid. And I'm afraid for even our great-grandchildren and beyond.

And we managed to fuck it all up in about a hundred years! Amazing feat in the grand scheme of things actually, how very sad it was for harm and not for good. So much good could have been done.

Sorry to ramble, I'm a silly middle-aged fool. But 3.4 billion years IS a very long time.

In peace and hope, still,:hi:
V

[mom cat]

36. That uraniun will travel and eventually cover the earth. I cannot

believe how incredibly stupid and mean this is. Yet I must believe it for to do otherwise would be to live in a fool's paradise.

[Mnemosyne]

37. It is too heartbreaking to think about mom cat,

but you are right, we must. :hug:

V

[mom cat]

38. My only hope is that a few aomeba survive and figure out how to

carry on.

[Mnemosyne]

40. I believe there will be more survivors

than we would ever expect mom cat. Nothing is ever certain, ever!

In peace and hope,
Still,
V

[Lochloosa]

8. Agent Orange of the Iraq war....

only this ones going to be so much worse.

[Wilms]

15. .

:grr:

[leftchick]

17. UK Soldiers Are Suffering As Well....

This is an excellent article from 2002....

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,772633,00.html

Children of British soldiers who fought in wars in which depleted uranium ammunition was used are at greater risk of suffering genetic diseases passed on by their fathers, new research reveals.
Veterans of the conflicts in the Gulf, Bosnia and Kosovo have been found to have up to 14 times the usual level of chromosome abnormalities in their genes. That has raised fears they will pass cancers and genetic illnesses to their offspring. The study is the first to analyse chromosome deformation in soldiers.

Paul Tyler MP, a member of the Royal British Legion Gulf War Syndrome working group, said it would be 'outrageous' if the findings were ignored by the Government.

'High levels of genetic damage do not occur naturally. It increases the probability of cancer, deformed babies and other genetic conditions significantly,' said Professor Albrecht Schott, a German biochemist who co-ordinated the research.

Schott collected blood samples from 16 British veterans last year. Fourteen had fought in the Gulf war, one of whom also served in Bosnia. Of the others, one served only in Kosovo and one only in Bosnia. Two of the veterans are women. The former soldiers have between double and 14 times the usual level of chromosome abnormalities. The average was five-and-a-half times higher than found in civilians. None had less than double the normal rate.

Ex-Warrant Officer Ray Bristow, who served in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Gulf war, has previously been found to have hundreds of times higher than the safe limit of depleted uranium in his urine. The father of three from Hull, now a wheelchair user, suffers problems with his memory, respiratory system, liver, kidney, bowels and hearing. He recently had a large tumour removed from his hand.

[leftchick]

19. A three part series from 2000 on DU / US and Iraqis suffering

http://www.sptimes.com/News/060500/Worldandnation/Medical_mysteries.shtml

And this was before we started dumping TONS more! :(






Ateih Al-Musemi fans her mother, Amena Thijel, as they wait to see a doctor at Saddam Teaching Hospital in Basra. Thijel was diagnosed with cancer in March. Both women blame U.S. bombs with depleted uranium for the disease.

[KamaAina]

18. This has been today's "Culture of Life Moment"

brought to you by Bush**co, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Carlyle Group. Watch for our newest Bush**co Superstore opening in Tehran in 2006!

[G_j]

20. Imagine the untold number of Iraqis

the children growing up there

[burrowowl]

32. Between Gulf War I

and the present 'war', 500,000 dies as a result of said war.
Even if DU is not 'radio-active', it is a very heavy metal and heavy metals are not good when absorbed into your system. Like mercury from coal fired plants, it is not good at all.

[ConcernedCanuk]

21. DU is the USA's WMD - Hiroshima revisited - one bullet at a time . . .

.
.
.

But MILLIONS of bullets laced with DU - they don't have to hit anyone - once dispersed, poisons the soil/air/water - contaminating the country for millenniums

The USA didn't WANT this war to end quickly -

they NEEDED the "insurgency" so they'd have an "excuse" to keep spreading their poison in the ME

so they just keep firing off their poisoned bullets at everything that moves -

DU is a very hard metal, so they use it for their armor on their vehicles also - so

when a DU armored vehicle gets hit -

yeah U got it - it doesn't have to be destroyed or anything, but the particles shaken off the tank/humvee/whatever poison the occupants - never knowing, and wonder why they get deformed/stillborn kids when they return to the US - -

"cannon-fodder" used to be restricted to those in battle -

The PNACers system maims and kills for generations yet to come

wonderful

just feckin' wunderful . . .

(sigh)

[stepnw1f]

25. This Is How the Right Wing Supports the Troops

[Dancing_Dave]

27. Yeah, sounds like "Gulf War Syndrome"

As I've seen it in the lives of my friends.

Depleted Uranium is the best scientific explanation so far. Of course, we also see symtoms of psychological shock, just like in any war. This syndrome CANNOT generally be explained by psychogical trauma. Some kind of radiation MUST be solved or we would not see so many terrible birth defects in the children of Gulf War vets.

And now here we go again!!!!

[NickB79]

43. That is not true

You don't need radiation to cause massive birth defects. Most birth defects are caused by exposure to non-radioactive chemicals in our environment.

I favor the vaccination theory proposed by happyslug earlier in this thread, along with exposure to destroyed chemical weapons caches and soot from the burning oil wells.

Depleted uranium is probably a small player in this whole process compared to the damage caused by chemical agents.

[leesa]

30. Well, as the GOP would say, "Fuck the soldiers"

[Eurobabe]

39. More like vaccines that did it, I bet

A young woman who served in the Navy but did not make it through basic training because of an injury has had everything from Stevens-Johnson syndrome to a mixed bags of ills since she left the military two years ago. She hasn't been right since.

I think its the vaccines. She had the whole shebang before basic. Then after her accident at basic she became so ill she almost died.

[Karenina]

42. What's worse is that

V.A. doctors are woefully uninformed about what substances their patients have been exposed to.